Do I wear or use anything that was built with slave labor and will I face judgment?

[ScaringChildren]

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[misterbonkers]

depends, do you wear anything made in the US? chances are high you already do if so

[clevergirl]

What if everything you get is 2cnd hand from good will or out of a dumpster?

I'm sure I wear something that is triggering to someone.

Some people have a lot of agency to help free slaves. Others are slaves themselves. I guess it depends on the subjective nature of slavery.

Most people work because they can't support themselves off the land. Essentially most workers in America are indentured to the corporations they work for, and have no agency in the matter. This is how slavery is propagated in a free market.

I'm not saying other systems of slavery are better, or that human hierarchies work without some form of slavery. I am saying if you want to be truly free you have to break your reliance on the state and your employer to keep you fed and safe.

If you buy into a power company here, or buy from whole foods, you are a slave to someone else. We all rely on the military. If we had a true frontier where you could move and build your own private infrastructure, create your own power. You might have the ability to free yourselves.

Until then, your life is incorporated through the United States of America, and you are hers.

[Phenyo]

america was built on slavery
hope this helps

[JurisDictum]

I just bought these shoes:

10338

Someone gave me $200 in Nike giftcards for my birthday... and I didn't have weightlifting shoes.

Nike is pretty famous for child labor.

Is it my fault that as some peasant given Nike giftcards I bought shoes with them instead of chucking them in the trash?

That's John Locke's argument...

I think that's bullshit. You don't necessarily approve of middle east wars when you fill your car up with gas and you don't think it's OK to discriminate against gays when you buy a Chick-fil-A sandwich*.

This is why we have laws and voting. If we could just act as some kind of disciplined group of consumer activists -- we wouldn't have the problems we do. We can't. You can't hold people to that.

Rich people are big fans of consumer activism because it allows them to feel morally superior but doesn't really affect the bottom line of their stock portfolio (because it doesn't work).

[Wonkie]

america was built on slavery
hope this helps

is. 13th amendment dawg

[Schaduwridder]

If it wasn't made in the US it was made by children or slaves.

[clevergirl]

Most stuff is only assembled / packaged in the US. Almost all the discrete parts come from some hell hole.

[Swish2]

I just bought these shoes:

10338

Someone gave me $200 in Nike giftcards for my birthday... and I didn't have weightlifting shoes.

Nike is pretty famous for child labor.

It's funny how nobody forgets the legacy of slavery but a lot of famous sportspeople are seen in Nikes... Michael Jordan among them. Is he supporting slavery or not? Is JurisDictum?

https://i.imgur.com/pkD9j5O.jpg

[clevergirl]

My deplorable roommate just buys counterfeit direct from China. She's in here trying to sell me on this app. WTF.

Wondering wtf these packages with Chinese addresses were.

Americans make me sad.

[clevergirl]

an app specifically for counterfeits??? show me

She doesn't need this shit either. It's like fucking purses and cellphone covers and knock off cameras with counterfeit chips.

I can't even talk to her about it. I don't want to listen to her for like 10hrs about the "Nike's" she got online.

I already own like 3 purses I didn't even buy. Cringing.

[misterbonkers]

She doesn't need this shit either. It's like fucking purses and cellphone covers and knock off cameras with counterfeit chips.

I can't even talk to her about it. I don't want to listen to her for like 10hrs about the "Nike's" she got online.

I already own like 3 purses I didn't even buy. Cringing.

where to cop

i want some cheap AF1 foamposites or air zoom ultra reacts

[ScaringChildren]

Make them yourselves. You're not entitled to the fruits of that Chinese child's labor. Even if he's a Communist.

We're Americans. We hold ourselves to a higher standard because we're genetically superior in every way.

Now act like it, you two.

[clevergirl]

You do realize counterfeit stuff is fake right? Typically substandard, even cheaper materials? Often no quality control. I do not want to enable this.

I agree with Dino on this one. Source some quality leather and make a real American shoe. I'll take a pair of alligator skin heals :p

[misterbonkers]

You do realize counterfeit stuff is fake right? Typically substandard, even cheaper materials? Often no quality control. I do not want to enable this.

I agree with Dino on this one. Source some quality leather and make a real American shoe. I'll take a pair of alligator skin heals :p

if i can get something that's even a quarter as good as the real deal for like 1/10th of the price, its called being efficient :cool:

[Patriam1066]

Hey so I need quality running shoes (for actual running I don’t care about style or obese opinions) and Nike is out because of NLism. Any recommendations?

[Ahldagor]

Maybe it's the beer talking but I'm down to counterfeit with Maer and her roomie. Take it back to Limp Bizkit days.

[Swish2]

Hey so I need quality running shoes (for actual running I don’t care about style or obese opinions) and Nike is out because of NLism. Any recommendations?

No. If you want to run, someone in the world (other than you running) is suffering by making them.

Barefoot is the only sustainable/clear conscience way.

Would go with a pair of Asics, nimbus if you've got $$$ and want the best, or Kayano or GT2000 if you want something mid-range...they're good long term investments that will look after your joints.

[ScaringChildren]

Just make some Nikes out of some locally sourced jeans. You'll be a hit at the club and such.

https://i.imgur.com/XkURWDp_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[clevergirl]

+1

[shuklak]

All chocolate comes from child slaves. Big companies own everything in the supply line but funny enough dont go near the harvesting...

[clevergirl]

Produce? I imagine the workers all wear child labor clothes.. I think you could probably find slavery in almost everything. The financial markets use computer equipment Packaged overseas... Like basically if you buy from another American and pay USD you're supporting some form of child abuse by 3 degrees of separation at a minimum.

Posting in this forum probably hurts a child in a 3rd world country because the people at the power plants and ISPs all probably eat chocolate.

The paint on all of our churches is tainted with the blood and tears of children.

[ScaringChildren]

is it impossible to avoid sins on this 'Urf?

Only God can judge me now ungh

[clevergirl]

I ate chobani yogurt and steel cut oats + a plastic packaged applesauce (in a vain attempt to ease my phyisical pain and suffering) and used a bottle of bleach to clean the counter my fam left old crusted lumps of raw beef and blood on. I used an appliance made in China from farmed Russian minerals and a lightbulb from god knows where. + power from probably the BP oil spill off the coast of FL here. + mad coal energy from the coal power, which has created massive mercury poisoning in the fish most of the NATIVE INDIGINOUS pplz ate (causing them a culturally specific diseases around murcury poisoning and lead poisoning) (all of this is actually well documented and understood and highly provable, and extremely probable)

I'm pretty sure the plastic + the bleach + my (succesfully repressed) wrathful feelings was pretty all around sinful

It is one of the main causes of ideation of the self termination

If this is the universe, does this universe deserve existence?

Purely a philosophical question m8ts

The thing is GOD says don't do it, live, and suffer the consequences of living. But god also says don't hurt ppl or endorse the hurtings of others. I feel like this is a major catch22, God will be mad if I end it. God will be mad if I keep struggling forward.

I hate myself, but not because I'm cute and have boobs.

Maybe I should have poured the bleach into my apricot flavored gruel?

[Ahldagor]

God said get the fuck out of Eden and left us to our own devices. It's pretty clear that we were abandoned, but then some depressed incels weren't getting money like a temple priest and had read the book of Daniel pretty thoroughly. Blickity Blam, Jesus was born.

[clevergirl]

Idk. I tried countering with gratitude.

I feel like a stupid broken robot.

[Topgunben]

I just bought these shoes:

10338

Someone gave me $200 in Nike giftcards for my birthday... and I didn't have weightlifting shoes.

Nike is pretty famous for child labor.

Is it my fault that as some peasant given Nike giftcards I bought shoes with them instead of chucking them in the trash?

That's John Locke's argument...

I think that's bullshit. You don't necessarily approve of middle east wars when you fill your car up with gas and you don't think it's OK to discriminate against gays when you buy a Chick-fil-A sandwich*.

This is why we have laws and voting. If we could just act as some kind of disciplined group of consumer activists -- we wouldn't have the problems we do. We can't. You can't hold people to that.

Rich people are big fans of consumer activism because it allows them to feel morally superior but doesn't really affect the bottom line of their stock portfolio (because it doesn't work).

i think consumer activism does work. The NFL has taken a big hit since players have knelt during the national anthem.

Also, the bus boycotts in the south seemed to work pretty well. The only time consumer activism doesnt work is when the government continues to subsidize the business or group. Our public school systems are a great example of this.

The reason why consumer choice fails when it does, is because the reason for the boycott or shift wasnt all that important in the first place.

just my 2 cents

[JurisDictum]

i think consumer activism does work. The NFL has taken a big hit since players have knelt during the national anthem.

Also, the bus boycotts in the south seemed to work pretty well. The only time consumer activism doesnt work is when the government continues to subsidize the business or group. Our public school systems are a great example of this.

The reason why consumer choice fails when it does, is because the reason for the boycott or shift wasnt all that important in the first place.

just my 2 cents

consumer choice fails when people can't afford consumer choice. Which is most people these days. Especially since companies like Amazon, Facebook etc are monopolies.

NFL is doing fine. A small hit does not means consumer choice "works" at changing behavior of the company.

Keep in mind the argument is not that consumer choice doesn't mean anything. The argument is that consumer choice is an ineffective way to change policy.

You bring up some notable exceptions with the Bus Boycott. That's because that vast majority of black people, all at once, stopped riding the bus for a considerable length of time. That has rarely been repeated. Keep in mind the boycott was a relatively localized affair...not global like a Nike boycott would have to be.