Why is Red Dead?

[Ella`Ella]

Right before velious launch and through early velious, server population was at an all-time high; around 200+.

I went to Red as a pretty big skeptic and had some of the most fun I've had on Everquest.

What happened? What caused the server to fizzle out?

GMs?
YTs?
The Leaderboard?
<Empire> leaving?
Serverwide Chat?

Discuss.

[Nirgon]

Holo was doing epics for people that came over from blue that didn't want to pay 500k for an MQ for said pop spike.

All that was asked in return was the destruction of the Snout (who took Good Guys down with him)

[Tassador]

To simply put it Everquest has always been a journey and it pretty much ended with the sleeper dying on a locked velious 30 pop server.

[Jazzy]

Corrupt GMs, questionable decisions (guild ban, xp bonus removals etc)

Ridiculously long periods of time in each expansion

Burn out

[Schaduwridder]

Non classic features

selective rule enforcement

weak minded players who lump into loser guilds to wait in line for gear then quit out of disgust

also 90% of people to ever play on red were terrible and needed to have their hand held.

Also leaderboard discouraged people to actually pvp

[paegan]

staff are monkies

[AkashicRecord]

Corrupt GMs, questionable decisions (guild ban, xp bonus removals etc)

Ridiculously long periods of time in each expansion

Burn out

EQ burnout is pure fallacy.

Admit it, we always come back for more self torture.

[heartbrand]

Right before velious launch and through early velious, server population was at an all-time high; around 200+.

I went to Red as a pretty big skeptic and had some of the most fun I've had on Everquest.

What happened? What caused the server to fizzle out?

GMs?
YTs?
The Leaderboard?
<Empire> leaving?
Serverwide Chat?

Discuss.


The barrier to entry is incredibly high on red. There is for the most part no one to level with, no economy to speak of, and it feels like a ghost town. The EXP bonus makes the journey to 60 rather quick on a solo class and the end game is a huge bore. There's only one guild to play, getting non vulak / dozekar items is incredibly easy, so you basically "win" EverQuest in a very short period of time. There's no EC Tunnel Quest so it's not as though you can go farm items and play the auction metagame; there's not tons of organic grouping going on to level alts up with; and everyone you play with at the end game has the exact same end game gear you do so there's little to no feeling of accomplishment. Couple that with the fact that there will never be new content and you have a recipe for boredom and disinterest.

Blue, despite having the same issue of a lack of content, has a [artificially] "competitive" end game scene which means it takes significantly longer to "win" the game by getting all your raid gear. This keeps the carrot on the end of the stick for you to keep on logging in. It also has a robust economy so for those who are interested in the metagame of acquiring platinum can participate in that. There is also an influx of new players to level up with again because when someone hears about P99 for the first time are they rolling up on a 19 person box or 600 person box? Couple that with the fact that a lot of people just don't like PvP.

All the talk about "toxic" player base and everything else just ignores the real fundamental issues with the server. A re-release, with a clear rule set, GM enforcement, a safe zone such as EC [yes guilds use it to buff up and prep, but the positives outweigh the negatives], classic EXP gain, and a higher death penalty; would all go a long way to driving up the population on this server. However, there will never be a wipe, and dramatic changes on this box where everyone has 11 vulak geared alts isn't going to generate any significant interest.

[Schaduwridder]

didn't read

[Tassador]

didn't read

Waiting for you to pop on that Mario avatar.

[heartbrand]

karanas are peaceful and fun and have cool music in little sections.

karanas are everquest, if you don't like karanas you probably don't even like EQ

CRINGING HARD AS FUCK

[Schaduwridder]

Waiting for you to pop on that Mario avatar.

[Schaduwridder]

Need more power moons to get to world 3

[heartbrand]

is it just me or are the forums showing the time stamp 30 minutes behind?

[hatelore]

EQ burnout is pure fallacy.

Admit it, we always come back for more self torture.

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/Y3lrodA.jpg

[Penish]

How did you guys miss the fact velious made it so everyone has 5khp / 255MR. The peeveepee is refuckintarded when everyone is clad in godmode gear =/. Lets fight for 25min or hit the ZL running through a crowd of 12 other players.

[Penish]

Transfer off 60's with only NO DROP items, hit the delete button and lock it in classic. We'd have 500 people in it tomorrow.

[Qtip]

Everquest and pvp just suck when mixed.

[White_knight]

Honestly it is was/is the people.

They want to shit all over their own backyard to flex to the other 150 players resulting in people leaving.
Even when the population was 100-120 at peak people were still trying to destroy the opposing guilds till they quit.

Red99 was/is more than a game to them, it was a justification for their wasted life decisions.

As much as people talked shit about aimchat and bad apples they had with them, Colgate and Gongshow always had a decent attitude to not try to kill the server off by letting other guilds get targets in the velious era. Most of the other big guilds I was apart did not have this attitude. They wanted to starve and destory their opposition to the point they quit the server.

That is why most people consider the Empire era as one of the best, and why the server died overnight when Empire quit.

[Schaduwridder]

How did you guys miss the fact velious made it so everyone has 5khp / 255MR. The peeveepee is refuckintarded when everyone is clad in godmode gear =/. Lets fight for 25min or hit the ZL running through a crowd of 12 other players.

Wouldn't matter if server was classic ( wizard spells hit for full damage also crits )

[Schaduwridder]

are you being serious? gongshows number 1 missions was to grief everyone else into quitting or joining them so they have ZERO people contesting velious pve content

dude was more blue then nizzar

( I quit before velious rolled because velious is garbage )

[Tassador]

I think all expansions are fun to a point but as your progressing with the mean of the server population. Once it’s been locked down for 4 years like HB said it’s pretty hard to get solid footing. You have guys like ignight grouping with tune’s 4 boxes thinking he is chatting with diff people. Then these same clowns are used as zombies to farm loot off raid mobs while getting scraps. Of course when items are nostalgic you’ll go for that sort of thing.

[heartbrand]

are you being serious? gongshows number 1 missions was to grief everyone else into quitting or joining them so they have ZERO people contesting velious pve content

dude was more blue then nizzar

( I quit before velious rolled because velious is garbage )

So you're commenting about a period you admit to not playing during, lol.

Empire never, or almost never, raided things like Trak / Talendor / VS / VP etc., as a guild during Velious. We left Yelinak up half the time, let mobs sit up for days under the rotating raid day schedule, and let other Velious mobs remain up. We didn't care if other people tried to kill those mobs. The Tune and deranged Nilly people treat this game like real life and still raid kunark in 2018 and would batphone another guild trying to do Talendor in 2022.

[Nirgon]

The barrier to entry is incredibly high on red. There is for the most part no one to level with, no economy to speak of, and it feels like a ghost town. The EXP bonus makes the journey to 60 rather quick on a solo class and the end game is a huge bore. There's only one guild to play, getting non vulak / dozekar items is incredibly easy, so you basically "win" EverQuest in a very short period of time. There's no EC Tunnel Quest so it's not as though you can go farm items and play the auction metagame; there's not tons of organic grouping going on to level alts up with; and everyone you play with at the end game has the exact same end game gear you do so there's little to no feeling of accomplishment. Couple that with the fact that there will never be new content and you have a recipe for boredom and disinterest.

Blue, despite having the same issue of a lack of content, has a [artificially] "competitive" end game scene which means it takes significantly longer to "win" the game by getting all your raid gear. This keeps the carrot on the end of the stick for you to keep on logging in. It also has a robust economy so for those who are interested in the metagame of acquiring platinum can participate in that. There is also an influx of new players to level up with again because when someone hears about P99 for the first time are they rolling up on a 19 person box or 600 person box? Couple that with the fact that a lot of people just don't like PvP.

All the talk about "toxic" player base and everything else just ignores the real fundamental issues with the server. A re-release, with a clear rule set, GM enforcement, a safe zone such as EC [yes guilds use it to buff up and prep, but the positives outweigh the negatives], classic EXP gain, and a higher death penalty; would all go a long way to driving up the population on this server. However, there will never be a wipe, and dramatic changes on this box where everyone has 11 vulak geared alts isn't going to generate any significant interest.




So you're commenting about a period you admit to not playing during, lol.

Empire never, or almost never, raided things like Trak / Talendor / VS / VP etc., as a guild during Velious. We left Yelinak up half the time, let mobs sit up for days under the rotating raid day schedule, and let other Velious mobs remain up. We didn't care if other people tried to kill those mobs. The Tune and deranged Nilly people treat this game like real life and still raid kunark in 2018 and would batphone another guild trying to do Talendor in 2022.




thanks for your essay about elf sim game.

read every word [nope]


didn't read

[silo32]

remove yellow text

[silo32]

bring back xp loss
bring back 8 lvls + -

[Ignight]

I think all expansions are fun to a point but as your progressing with the mean of the server population. Once it’s been locked down for 4 years like HB said it’s pretty hard to get solid footing. You have guys like ignight grouping with tune’s 4 boxes thinking he is chatting with diff people. Then these same clowns are used as zombies to farm loot off raid mobs while getting scraps. Of course when items are nostalgic you’ll go for that sort of thing.

I don't group with Tune. I'm not Apex. Sorry you're a fail irl + eq.

[Tassador]

I don't group with Tune. I'm not Apex. Sorry you're a fail irl + eq.

I can tell you I have never read three sentences you wrote in one post ever lol. I just keep beating and trolling you bro. :)

I can get you to read everything. See your sig and dance puppet.

[Jazzy]

Red is....,,,,,,.,,,,,

[derpcake2]

server is dead because it reached a state where no normal player wants to play on it

i'm sure some people still have fun gearing their 15th alt, and don't mind if some of their accounts are banned for boxing ..

thats not a setting i want to play in, nor is it a community i want to play with, and its not a kind of competition i want to participate in

[Schaduwridder]

population is pretty low and you can login and have fun and not get griefed

if you want to play, play

if you don't, don't

but why complain about it how old are you guys?

[clevergirl]

Velious is the death knell for all pvp servers. It's bad enough with kunark itemization and people spread out all over dreadlands. Once you put in EW it's GG.

[clevergirl]

population is pretty low and you can login and have fun and not get griefed

if you want to play, play

if you don't, don't

but why complain about it how old are you guys?

you are a dumbass little bitch, the only reason to play on a red server is to grief and troll

you can't grief and troll on a 30 pop server spread across 300 zones and with a bunch of cheaters who don't pvp

[Ignight]

I can tell you I have never read three sentences you wrote in one post ever lol. I just keep beating and trolling you bro. :)

I can get you to read everything. See your sig and dance puppet.

Oooooor....you're an idiot. Yeah. I'll go with you're just an idiot.

[hatelore]

Red is....,,,,,,.,,,,,

[Nirgon]

Get rid of everyone that plays on red.

Red will flourish. People don’t play there as it’s toxic as hell, it’s driven away nearly every person I know who’s given it a go.

There's no MMR in the PvP match making here.

The reason people quit is they barely if ever check who is in the zone, stack their buffs right, dispel dots off themselves (list goes on forever).

Other games would die off too if you played ranked (games that "count") and as a bronze 5 were matched against plat+ and lost rank as a result of losing.

Until you make a kiddie pool red server and the veteran player server, harsh language/trolling or not, you're gonna have a lot of chapped asses fleeing the box after a few Smallmee dunkings.

[ScaringChildren]

can't a ***** just chill and level with his homies?

damn, always want to kill each other or somehin got damn bruh

[aaezil]

I considered red so much that i tried it but i ended up getting perma camped by some douche in lvl 50/60 gear who deleveled down to 20 and was greifing people. Real great server lol i never came back.

[Nirgon]

Tell us what zone it was, doubt I'll be surprised

[clevergirl]

In classic you can easily kill a planar delelvled war with a wizard or two or a shadowknight and some decent jouting skill

[Schaduwridder]

smallme just nuked me

[Doctor Jeff]

TL;DR most of the thread...

Velious is a great raiding expansion, but a terrible PvP expansion, the gap between a casual player and a neckbeard raider is just too vast.

It's very difficult to compete once one team gets ahead and that snowballs very quickly.

Still, I find ways to have fun, and you could too.

Effort is required on a PvP server; and, outside of whatever Zerg exists at the time, there's not a lot of room for people who just want to netflix and med.

[paegan]

TL;DR most of the thread...

Velious is a great raiding expansion, but a terrible PvP expansion, the gap between a casual player and a neckbeard raider is just too vast.

It's very difficult to compete once one team gets ahead and that snowballs very quickly.

Still, I find ways to have fun, and you could too.

Effort is required on a PvP server; and, outside of whatever Zerg exists at the time, there's not a lot of room for people who just want to netflix and med.

what about one guild catching suspies for "training" when crossing KD while the other guilds leader can train mobs all he wants? :confused: :confused:

[heartbrand]

It's not really hard to compete, regardless of the gear cap. If you have no life you can camp out at raid spots, and just engage mid boss engage over and over until the other side loses interest in the game.

[Palemoon]

Red has been dead since most of the original players left at the end of kunark due to a series of unfortunate events.

This server had one Golden Era, and that was the first two years. After that, things changed.

[heartbrand]

Red has been dead since most of the original players left at the end of kunark due to a series of unfortunate events.

This server had one Golden Era, and that was the first two months. After that, things changed.

[heartbrand]

Game was a lot more fun in classic when you knew pretty much where everyone would be and at most those zones were 2 away [in small classic zone size] from a druid or wiz port.

[Jazzy]

Bring classic back for fucks sake

RoZ is good but its fucking shit at the same time

[clevergirl]

Bring classic back for fucks sake

RoZ is good but its fucking shit at the same time

The problem with RoZ is it's a garage box on an accelerated 6month cycle that will eventually see velious.

It's not good at attracting casual scum. The same problem velious and r99 have.

The community needs a stable classic box that will serve as a matter of prestige and allow people to casually PvP. There's already 10 good servers to raid on. PvP servers can't compete with big empty servers like Takp or flourishing twinkfests like blue when there's no PvP or player interaction to make them stand out from the other boxes people can just AFK camp fungitunics on. Fungi shouldn't even be in game anyway. EQ should be hard and melee should be hardmode.

[clevergirl]

The whole argument about classic not having enough content is really dumb to.

The whole point of PvP is to ignore content focused play and extend the life of the game via PvP. Develop rivalries and teams. Not fucking quest for fungis tstaffs and VP loot.

It's a fucking shame people just want mudflation and can't be happy with a brazen brass kilji.

[clevergirl]

Classic planar is enough of a reward to set apart the veterans who never log off from the intelligent, but generally bored of PvE casuals who log in to play with a deeper element on intrigue, strategy, and risk.

[clevergirl]

I think part of the biggest problem this community has though is classic doesn't create a big enough gap for autistic mmo losers though. So hence a decades long autistic push into velious. So they can feel moderately safe in an empty zone on their 15the alt in gear it took two years to get.

It's the ultimate security blanket and no one is insane enough to even attempt to waste years of their life like this except maybe a diehard core of 30 players like Tune. Least of all in a dead, empty servers. Or soon to be dead, empty, servers.

God bless, your sweet hearts.

[clevergirl]

Rest in pixel paradise.

[clevergirl]

R.I.P.P.

[clevergirl]

It also takes zero effort to get loot on red99. All you have to do is grind and wait around in empty zones for your turn.

It boils down to lots and lots of time with nothing to do for an item that says +80 instead of +10

I'd rather sit around in rawhide killing orcs and harmtoiching myself and the occasional other player.

[Eslade]

Good lord, the fabled 7 post.
Mad + drugs

[clevergirl]

Good lord, the fabled 7 post.
Mad + drugs

iF I rerolled on RoZ i'd hit lvl 40 just in time for kunark to come out and it would be boring and unfun.

I'd prefer a server where kunark never gets released or at least 1 year, then maybe select kunark zones

EQ pvp is dead and RoZ is going to kill itself as surely as Red99 did.

And I am a diseased player.

Now imagine the kind of ultra-hyper-mega-uber-diseased players that it takes to hit 50 and BIS on a 30 pop server with boxing. While simultanously maintaining their poopsock guild of 30 player population on red99.

I honestly think all these servers consist of ventilated people on life support in group homes with wires in their brainz.

[Nirgon]

Agreeing with Eslade but instead of saying it's a result of taking drugs, I'm going to say it is a lack of needed drugs.

Definitely putting this ban dodge account on ignore now that who it is is extremely obvious. Stinks of clueless player and mental disorder! Sad!

[clevergirl]

You're upset and PIXEL ADDICTED. And that is a FACT NOT FAKE NEWS OR LIBURLOL BIAS.

[Nirgon]

Seems like a nice person don't get me wrong but get meds and talk to someone. Ain't talking shit (or viewing post either).

[clevergirl]

Enjoy your low pop pvp i mean E servers.

[Schaduwridder]

drugs ^

[clevergirl]

R.I.P.P.

[Phenyo]

M about to meltdown the cycle is complete

[Ella`Ella]

Heard a lot of complaints and some good suggestions here - but I guess the new question is now,

“Are you/what are you doing anything to make the server more inviting to new players?” Or are you part of the problem?

[paegan]

how do you ignore people on here

[Pringles]

cuz its not fun to be BiS on a dead server @op

[hatelore]

Wow

[Qtip]

Heard a lot of complaints and some good suggestions here - but I guess the new question is now,

“Are you/what are you doing anything to make the server more inviting to new players?” Or are you part of the problem?

Whats more inviting then a 20 year old game with 13 people on a friday night?

Why does the playerbase have to sell the server for it to succeed? Maybe a gm or gm events would help? Maybe a youtube video from one of the owners?

[Christina.]

Game was a lot more fun in classic when you knew pretty much where everyone would be and at most those zones were 2 away [in small classic zone size] from a druid or wiz port.

like isis would jump you by orc1 in oasis lol

[paegan]

https://i.imgur.com/Ab301Sn.png

[filthyphil]

Only the players are to blame here.

[hatelore]

Right before velious launch and through early velious, server population was at an all-time high; around 200+.

I went to Red as a pretty big skeptic and had some of the most fun I've had on Everquest.

What happened? What caused the server to fizzle out?

GMs?
YTs?
The Leaderboard?
<Empire> leaving?
Serverwide Chat?

Discuss.

Red is not dead, and a lot of red players still exist, but the rule lawyering, and bullshit of red1999 is dead... As it should be. Come to RoZ, no bs rules, no bs lns(whoever came up with this is a big fucking pussy) , no plugging and trains for dayz. It really is a far better experience.

So who killed red you asked? Management killed red. If you make it, they will cum. RoZ was made, and we came.

[Schaduwridder]

engleburt is a gm on ROZ and you think its going to be better?

that kid is a prisoner in his own basement im sure he is 100% cool and normal irl

[oricalum]

engleburt is a gm on ROZ and you think its going to be better?

that kid is a prisoner in his own basement im sure he is 100% cool and normal irl

You fucking grow tomatoes as a hobby. Can you say faggot?

[Schaduwridder]

^ Mad / jelly

[hatelore]

Trust me.... If I ever find myself jealous of you, I will literally blow my fucking brains out.

if I ever find myself growing tomatoes for a hobby I will move to San Francisco and start shitting on sidewalks for a hobby. Even that has to be more interesting than your hobby dude.

[Salaryman]

Daybreak will sue you if you pay for advertisement so no one knows about this great game.

[Llurendt]

The problem with Red as a new player is that the community is toxic and uninviting.

This is allowed for by management. All the other 'issues' are purely ancillary. Not that they aren't real issues, but bad management is death for any venture, and a toxic community allowed for by management will ALWAYS prevent the community from growing. Period.

This thread is a great example of the community. People sniping at each other and acting like unruly children. Not everyone, but enough people that it doesn't matter. The vocal majority.

Red will never grow so long as these two issues remain.

Again, for clarity:
1. Toxic Community.
2. Owners/GMs/Managers not fixing the Toxicity.

Obviously whoever set all this up no longer cares (if they ever did in the first place). I (and others) would LOVE to play a PvP EQ Classic experience with a good community.

[Schaduwridder]

how do you fix toxicity when all the players are toxic?

red was just a troll to keep people off blue AKA The cash crop

sorry you got trolled


sorry hatelore still mad years later

[kotton05]

Why do you always cry?

[Salaryman]

The problem with Red as a new player is that the community is toxic and uninviting.

This is allowed for by management. All the other 'issues' are purely ancillary. Not that they aren't real issues, but bad management is death for any venture, and a toxic community allowed for by management will ALWAYS prevent the community from growing. Period.

This thread is a great example of the community. People sniping at each other and acting like unruly children. Not everyone, but enough people that it doesn't matter. The vocal majority.

Red will never grow so long as these two issues remain.

Again, for clarity:
1. Toxic Community.
2. Owners/GMs/Managers not fixing the Toxicity.

Obviously whoever set all this up no longer cares (if they ever did in the first place). I (and others) would LOVE to play a PvP EQ Classic experience with a good community.

Ive been playing and recently saw low lvs and such, lv 15, 30, 40, 50 groups going on every day in OOC. Groups going to KC, Tranix, Kael, velks also.

Ive seen a few players run by while I camped tranix or the hole, they dont say mean things to even me. I dont even attack anyone we are all playing together in peace.

I dont see any toxicity, what is it you even mean by toxicity? there is no griefing, hacking, training... etc.

The forums are bad, you should all stop posting and try to fix society because western civilization is declining because of lazy useless people like you. I can imagine alot of new players looking at the forums and not playing, but if they actually logged in they see none of these retards play.

The guild apex raids dragon in TOV, they have been doing it since the last guild left. Every single one of those players have serious mental disorders and should be avoided.

That being said, all they do is raid. They dont interact with new players, or low lv alts in any way unless you go to TOV which you wont as a new player/alt. Also you dont want to raid because its boring.

The GMs? I accidentally deleted my char and had it restored no problem. Don't RMT and they might be nicer to you. But that goes back to you all being lazy, useless, and mentally disordered and retarded for paying actual currency for elf gold.

[Eslade]

Ive been playing and recently saw low lvs and such, lv 15, 30, 40, 50 groups going on every day in OOC. Groups going to KC, Tranix, Kael, velks also.

Ive seen a few players run by while I camped tranix or the hole, they dont say mean things to even me. I dont even attack anyone we are all playing together in peace.

I dont see any toxicity, what is it you even mean by toxicity? there is no griefing, hacking, training... etc.

The forums are bad, you should all stop posting and try to fix society because western civilization is declining because of lazy useless people like you. I can imagine alot of new players looking at the forums and not playing, but if they actually logged in they see none of these retards play.

The guild apex raids dragon in TOV, they have been doing it since the last guild left. Every single one of those players have serious mental disorders and should be avoided.

That being said, all they do is raid. They dont interact with new players, or low lv alts in any way unless you go to TOV which you wont as a new player/alt. Also you dont want to raid because its boring.

The GMs? I accidentally deleted my char and had it restored no problem. Don't RMT and they might be nicer to you. But that goes back to you all being lazy, useless, and mentally disordered and retarded for paying actual currency for elf gold.

Welcome to blue

[ReaverDrop]

its dead because bloobs perptually troll the red's forums and everyone is scared to reroll without incognito new names and lose all their perfect pixels and have to make alliances and farm zones and dont even /anon or /who or pick pvp classes that are non ideal for the sake of progress to then reroll twinked twinks imo

aka no social skills aka aspberger syndrome on steroids

aka superbloob"r"tards

-banks Proggie enc of the 1st level

[ReaverDrop]

IMO the reason red is dead is because red means dead. You have too many bloobs trolling the reds forums because of their beefy mouthbreathing insecurity towards facing the fear of living on a server where /anon and /who is the norm. They fail to realize they must play at odd hours on a server that literally has no one on. They do not want to lose their precious perfect pixels and multiyear days played of poopsocking in the safety of their rtard social cliques in which they phonebot their laptops for instant kill raids and don't know what its like to be massively trained in perpetuity, denying them the opportunity once again to cockblock and squat on all that fresh upper tier content they are so proud of denying everyone else who are also nostalgia fags from experiencing. This is why i stopped playing my 54 sk ogre Banx with yoinked gearz because rules lawyers were demanding their safe space in city of mist or threatening to call the popo GM's to rudely make up reasons as to why I was overfarming my proximal pull rotation due to their slothfullness and leaching off their inferior tanks.

Proggie "banks" DE enc of the 1st level.

[Stasis01]

Reds dead because the PVE is just unbearable at the Velious level.

[Nirgon]

*pops in an anime tape*

u SUK

[ReaverDrop]

red ones go fastah TM

[ReaverDrop]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Loraen%27s_Enchanter_Guide

catchin up kiwi kush kwik

[ReaverDrop]

who needs max pve CHA when all you need is a cha check on ur target, with aoe stuns blurs mana sieves and a couple of mobs nearby

[ReaverDrop]

we used to run that LoY zone like a mutha 2boxing chivas regal with wineq and silvarathasala snaring his mobs and aa'ing to 59 lvl 64 or so deleted gave dank the gear rerolled gigas later, then teamplayed a sanctus lumen bard takingbacksunday got a halflink mask solo and monk'd the raster gnaw mean -_-v

[ReaverDrop]

2 boxed that Chameleon for that KEI while i ranger dangered animal fear polar bears afk glitching them into wall apexes with a month of errors got those deep blue polar bears and a tunare fletched infinite arrow /trueshot cazic thule revamp blood armor had that sik ca$h

[ReaverDrop]

Warlord Banks stormreaver Original Gangstaz into Chobin wotlk DTAV aka Valnar stormreaver BE monk zzz bots whens jizzcon

[ReaverDrop]

reinstalling someone tried to phish my dropbox on purpose on accident

we did it /ipconfig release ipconfig renew regedit

[Schaduwridder]

all the toxic players are on rise of zek

new players don't come to the forum

hope this helps

[Tassador]

Red is stagnant...

[hatelore]

The problem with Red as a new player is that the community is toxic and uninviting.

This is allowed for by management. All the other 'issues' are purely ancillary. Not that they aren't real issues, but bad management is death for any venture, and a toxic community allowed for by management will ALWAYS prevent the community from growing. Period.

This thread is a great example of the community. People sniping at each other and acting like unruly children. Not everyone, but enough people that it doesn't matter. The vocal majority.

Red will never grow so long as these two issues remain.

Again, for clarity:
1. Toxic Community.
2. Owners/GMs/Managers not fixing the Toxicity.

Obviously whoever set all this up no longer cares (if they ever did in the first place). I (and others) would LOVE to play a PvP EQ Classic experience with a good community.


I think you fail to understand is this is 21 year old game. A fringe group of people play it. And an even smaller fringe group like the pvp side of it. Go to RoZ, very few are toxic. Mostly we all get along pretty well. Don’t expect droves of people to come pvp in this game. It just isn’t going to happen.

[White_knight]

Ive been playing and recently saw low lvs and such, lv 15, 30, 40, 50 groups going on every day in OOC. Groups going to KC, Tranix, Kael, velks also.

Ive seen a few players run by while I camped tranix or the hole, they dont say mean things to even me. I dont even attack anyone we are all playing together in peace.

I dont see any toxicity, what is it you even mean by toxicity? there is no griefing, hacking, training... etc.

The forums are bad, you should all stop posting and try to fix society because western civilization is declining because of lazy useless people like you. I can imagine alot of new players looking at the forums and not playing, but if they actually logged in they see none of these retards play.

The guild apex raids dragon in TOV, they have been doing it since the last guild left. Every single one of those players have serious mental disorders and should be avoided.

That being said, all they do is raid. They dont interact with new players, or low lv alts in any way unless you go to TOV which you wont as a new player/alt. Also you dont want to raid because its boring.

The GMs? I accidentally deleted my char and had it restored no problem. Don't RMT and they might be nicer to you. But that goes back to you all being lazy, useless, and mentally disordered and retarded for paying actual currency for elf gold.

Rofl

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

Holo was doing epics for people that came over from blue that didn't want to pay 500k for an MQ for said pop spike.

All that was asked in return was the destruction of the Snout (who took Good Guys down with him)

This is the most accurate response so far.

[Schaduwridder]

#Elf gold

[Zuranthium]

clevergirl was easily the most thoughtful poster in this thread, funny how some people put them on ignore for speaking 100% truth. Anyone who said Velious era is bad for PvP is also on the right track.

Empire never, or almost never, raided things like Trak / Talendor / VS / VP etc., as a guild during Velious. We left Yelinak up half the time, let mobs sit up for days under the rotating raid day schedule, and let other Velious mobs remain up. We didn't care if other people tried to kill those mobs.

Don't try to spin Empire as being good for the server. Leaving up that other content was irrelevant because Empire already had what they needed there and locked down the drops that mattered, the gear that outclassed everything else, thus allowing the guild to easily push out any possible competition and make PvP mostly irrelevant on the server. Empire didn't do shit in the game when it wasn't primetime raiding hours, all they cared about was getting Velious PvE drops with safety of numbers.

The server would have been better if Empire actually did contest that other content and create real competition, by using only the minimum amount of people necessary for any given raid. It was always possible for the guild to raid multiple targets simultaneously with the amount of people we had, but instead the shitty leadership of the guild dumbed down the game and forced everyone to stand around like sheep, wasting time and removing the competition.

are you being serious? gongshows number 1 mission was to grief everyone else into quitting or joining them so they have ZERO people contesting velious pve content

dude was more blue then nizzar

Exactly accurate. More specifically - he cared about pretending to be everyone's friend so that he could get all the best gear first as "the leader", in order to feel better about his life. But of course the truth is that this isn't an accomplishment at all. It's empty, it doesn't require skill and nobody in the world fucking cares about the loot you got on this server. He internally knew this, as did other sheep in the herd, so it's no surprise they soon quit the game after it no longer served as a way to feed their sad, straight, white, republican, male egos.

[Tassador]

^2018

[Jazzy]

Little doubt empire were cuck fucks

That said its 2018. Time to move on

[Schaduwridder]

Don't forget to mention anyone who mobilized to kill anything would be quickly zerged down by overgeared low T career everquest players

[White_knight]

clevergirl was easily the most thoughtful poster in this thread, funny how some people put them on ignore for speaking 100% truth. Anyone who said Velious era is bad for PvP is also on the right track.



Don't try to spin Empire as being good for the server. Leaving up that other content was irrelevant because Empire already had what they needed there and locked down the drops that mattered, the gear that outclassed everything else, thus allowing the guild to easily push out any possible competition and make PvP mostly irrelevant on the server. Empire didn't do shit in the game when it wasn't primetime raiding hours, all they cared about was getting Velious PvE drops with safety of numbers.

The server would have been better if Empire actually did contest that other content and create real competition, by using only the minimum amount of people necessary for any given raid. It was always possible for the guild to raid multiple targets simultaneously with the amount of people we had, but instead the shitty leadership of the guild dumbed down the game and forced everyone to stand around like sheep, wasting time and removing the competition.



Exactly accurate. More specifically - he cared about pretending to be everyone's friend so that he could get all the best gear first as "the leader", in order to feel better about his life. But of course the truth is that this isn't an accomplishment at all. It's empty, it doesn't require skill and nobody in the world fucking cares about the loot you got on this server. He internally knew this, as did other sheep in the herd, so it's no surprise they soon quit the game after it no longer served as a way to feed their sad, straight, white, republican, male egos.


Hi Z-Man

Its a decent post. But Empire leaving mobs up helped keep other guilds alive.

When you're on a 120 pop server and you're clearing Trakanon with your 80 member guild so that the other 20 member guild doesnt get a deepwater BP you are far worse than anything you said in your post --- reminder this is in 2018 too.

Sure there were alot of shitheads (broken 30+ year old men trying to feel something of importance in their lives) in Empire but the other side of the table was way grosser.

These facts are why Empire was the best period on this server.

[Schaduwridder]

Hi Z-Man

Its a decent post. But Empire leaving mobs up helped keep other guilds alive.

When you're on a 120 pop server and you're clearing Trakanon with your 80 member guild so that the other 20 member guild doesnt get a deepwater BP you are far worse than anything you said in your post --- reminder this is in 2018 too.

Sure there were alot of shitheads (broken 30+ year old men trying to feel something of importance in their lives) in Empire but the other side of the table was way grosser.

These facts are why Empire was the best period on this server.

empire did not leave ANYTHING up pre velious, and by the time velious came out everyone had either joined or quit, they proceeded to get "BiS" and give up making everything they did ultimately pointless

but im sure they had fun raiding TOV in 2018


Lol : )

[clevergirl]

http://i.imgur.com/M8bZXbl.jpg

[heartbrand]

Reds dead because the PVE is just unbearable at the Velious level.

Yes. Raiding Velious is fucking AWFUL.

[White_knight]

Yes. Raiding Velious is fucking AWFUL.

[Zuranthium]

Empire leaving mobs up helped keep other guilds alive.

Empire did not at all help to keep other guilds alive. They choked the server and it died. When you are already far overgeared as compared to the rest of the server, and have a huge numbers advantage, who cares about the other guilds going for the Kunark-level content when you can just lock down the Temple of Veeshan and Sleeper's Tomb drops.

If Empire had split its raid force in half and actually did contest things fairly, THAT is what would have kept the server alive. Because then the <Friends> guild could have actually tried to contest the primary raid force of Empire, while the secondary raid force of Empire could have been contested by whatever the 3rd ranked guild of the server was (or <Friends> still, if that's the raid force they wanted to target on a given day).

Those "lesser" guilds would have been able to get wins sometimes and that would kept things healthy across the entire server and actually kept PvP constantly relevant. Instead, Empire just wanted no competition (thinking this kind of cheating was "winning") and turned Red into essentially a bad Blue server, hence its predictable death.

When you're on a 120 pop server and you're clearing Trakanon with your 80 member guild so that the other 20 member guild doesnt get a deepwater BP you are far worse than anything you said in your post.

...this is exactly what Empire did, as someone else pointed out. Everything important during Kunark era was locked down and they actively tried to keep the numbers vastly imbalanced so that there would be no real competition.

The server had a way healthier population than 120 too, it was regularly at 400+ people. It could have been a good server for everyone and possibly kept growing and attracting more people who were bored with Blue. Instead, it turned to shit. I brought this up many times during both the Holocaust and Empire eras, but the evil dictators could only see pixels for themselves in their eyes.

[White_knight]

Empire did not at all help to keep other guilds alive. They choked the server and it died. When you are already far overgeared as compared to the rest of the server, and have a huge numbers advantage, who cares about the other guilds going for the Kunark-level content when you can just lock down the Temple of Veeshan and Sleeper's Tomb drops.

If Empire had split its raid force in half and actually did contest things fairly, THAT is what would have kept the server alive. Because then the <Friends> guild could have actually tried to contest the primary raid force of Empire, while the secondary raid force of Empire could have been contested by whatever the 3rd ranked guild of the server was (or <Friends> still, if that's the raid force they wanted to target on a given day).

Those "lesser" guilds would have been able to get wins sometimes and that would kept things healthy across the entire server and actually kept PvP constantly relevant. Instead, Empire just wanted no competition (thinking this kind of cheating was "winning") and turned Red into essentially a bad Blue server, hence its predictable death.



...this is exactly what Empire did, as someone else pointed out. Everything important during Kunark era was locked down and they actively tried to keep the numbers vastly imbalanced so that there would be no real competition.

The server had a way healthier population than 120 too, it was regularly at 400+ people. It could have been a good server for everyone and possibly kept growing and attracting more people who were bored with Blue. Instead, it turned to shit. I brought this up many times during both the Holocaust and Empire eras, but the evil dictators could only see pixels for themselves in their eyes.

Think you sippy coolaid my Z-man.

The highest peak pop on this server was when Empire was on it. (Peak after launch) There were 4-5 other active guilds at Empire's peak control during Velious, more guilds than any other period other than launch.

When it was 250ish average pop and only 80 empire on raiding ntov the other guilds were doing Kunark content.

What killed this server is most people had their fun and realized there was no point in gearing out a 2nd and 3rd velious geared toon (because velious raiding is a curse and so fucking boring after the 5th ntov clear) I honesty dont know how people continued tonplay after 6-12months.

[Swish2]

Might have got to 400+ if the initial XP bonus wasn't removed (reduced the pop from 250 back to 70ish). Server wasn't allowed to make it.

Add in the ban on red/blue blue/red transfers and that was a real blocker on new red pals starting up.

[arosian]

Think about it like this:

Video games are played by a subset of the general population
MMORPGs are played by a subset of the video game population
Project1999 is played by a tiny subset of the MMORPG population
Red is played by a subset of the Project1999 population


So really Red had an uphill battle against statistics the entire time.

It doesn't help that Project1999 is generally made up of people who played EQ on live hoping to relive the nostalgia. It doesn't really attract brand new players who have never heard of EQ. That causes the population to dwindle over time as people get bored after maxing everything out now that this server has been live for ~8 years.

[Tassador]

Red reset would draw at least 150 players now will they stay who knows its 2018. I would definitely play but not sure if I’d stay.

To be honest red is a little selfish pretty sure if they did a blue 2 pop would be in the 800-1200’s.

So like the previous poster mentioned pvp eq is minuscule.

[hatelore]

Red reset would draw at least 150 players now will they stay who knows its 2018. I would definitely play but not sure if I’d stay.

To be honest red is a little selfish pretty sure if they did a blue 2 pop would be in the 800-1200’s.

So like the previous poster mentioned pvp eq is minuscule.

Fuck that, after playing RoZ and dealing with normal GM’s I don’t really think I could come back to red99. Fuck LNS and rule lawyering. LNS is for flaming pussies and people who require written and agreed upon contracts before an attack can begin.

[heartbrand]

Empire did not at all help to keep other guilds alive. They choked the server and it died. When you are already far overgeared as compared to the rest of the server, and have a huge numbers advantage, who cares about the other guilds going for the Kunark-level content when you can just lock down the Temple of Veeshan and Sleeper's Tomb drops.

If Empire had split its raid force in half and actually did contest things fairly, THAT is what would have kept the server alive. Because then the <Friends> guild could have actually tried to contest the primary raid force of Empire, while the secondary raid force of Empire could have been contested by whatever the 3rd ranked guild of the server was (or <Friends> still, if that's the raid force they wanted to target on a given day).

Those "lesser" guilds would have been able to get wins sometimes and that would kept things healthy across the entire server and actually kept PvP constantly relevant. Instead, Empire just wanted no competition (thinking this kind of cheating was "winning") and turned Red into essentially a bad Blue server, hence its predictable death.



...this is exactly what Empire did, as someone else pointed out. Everything important during Kunark era was locked down and they actively tried to keep the numbers vastly imbalanced so that there would be no real competition.

The server had a way healthier population than 120 too, it was regularly at 400+ people. It could have been a good server for everyone and possibly kept growing and attracting more people who were bored with Blue. Instead, it turned to shit. I brought this up many times during both the Holocaust and Empire eras, but the evil dictators could only see pixels for themselves in their eyes.


Red99 historian here coming to correct tons of factual inaccuracies. The server never had 400+ pop post week one of the server opening, and it certainly never hit 400+ after November of 2011. I think the highest it ever hit post 2011 was MAYBE 300 for a day.

Next up; the entire history of the server was one guild choking all the content, from Nihilum, to Empire, to Apex. The only difference with Empire was that the leadership didn't care about killing every single raid mob and whether or not someone killed Phara Dar or not 2 years into Velious. The leadership of Nihilum and Apex, which is the same crew of people, has a mental disease that requires them to kill every single raid mob and make sure no one else does.

To the final point about this mythical contesting and competition; you don't want competition. Competition in Velious is two sides sitting at a zone line for 6 hours refreshing buffs until either one side engages a mob, at which point the other side will then engage them while they are mid PvE, or the other side loses interest and then the other side pushes them out. It is incredibly boring and uninteresting and it's why Empire 2.0 burnt out because only the sickest human beings have the patience to sit for half a dozen hours to kill one dragon for items that really nobody even needs. The glory days of contesting were in Classic when you could bum rush Nagafen and Vox.


As gay as it sounds, this game would be a lot more fun if Raid mobs were decided in some sort of 25 v 25 or 50 v 50 combat with the loser admitting defeat for the night or something.

[Nirgon]

Red99 historian here coming to correct tons of factual inaccuracies. The server never had 400+ pop post week one of the server opening, and it certainly never hit 400+ after November of 2011. I think the highest it ever hit post 2011 was MAYBE 300 for a day.

Next up; the entire history of the server was one guild choking all the content, from Nihilum, to Empire, to Apex. The only difference with Empire was that the leadership didn't care about killing every single raid mob and whether or not someone killed Phara Dar or not 2 years into Velious. The leadership of Nihilum and Apex, which is the same crew of people, has a mental disease that requires them to kill every single raid mob and make sure no one else does.

To the final point about this mythical contesting and competition; you don't want competition. Competition in Velious is two sides sitting at a zone line for 6 hours refreshing buffs until either one side engages a mob, at which point the other side will then engage them while they are mid PvE, or the other side loses interest and then the other side pushes them out. It is incredibly boring and uninteresting and it's why Empire 2.0 burnt out because only the sickest human beings have the patience to sit for half a dozen hours to kill one dragon for items that really nobody even needs. The glory days of contesting were in Classic when you could bum rush Nagafen and Vox.


As gay as it sounds, this game would be a lot more fun if Raid mobs were decided in some sort of 25 v 25 or 50 v 50 combat with the loser admitting defeat for the night or something.


Gonna hafta put on a strong pot of coffee for this one.

Can we safely say ur done shaming others for posting elf quest essays?

Anywho - the Azrael/Holo fights was when the server was closest to a real pvp server. It was ruined when the snout and his men stripped an aim chatter. When justice failed in elf court, their accounts and bank were put to the torch. That + the Sektor robe affair/split into Friends effectively ended any chance of a good fight continuing.

We had a chance of a healthy PvP environment with Good Guys and were on the right track to letting them have some targets. Then they allied with the Snout and threatened to run us off. Maybe they could have to be honest but they had some awful shot callers and very little interest as far as I could tell when it came to coaching players.

This happened on blue too - the 2nd place guild/other casuals pretend to be pals all the while constantly trying to sabotage or screw over the bigger dog in bad faith or get bold and break the agreement in place. It never goes well for them. The casuals are just as scummy as the raid target deniers in their intentions. Trust me, they are filled with the same vitriol and disregard for the rules etc - just they lack the dedication (beard) and experience, bite off more than they can chew and get "griefed off".

I wasn't there for it but I think this happened when (barely any TBH - u got no idea the full force of that crew's beard power unless u rolled with them for a while) TMO came to red. It is up to the guilds who don't "control the box" to not provoke the wrath of the top dog and exist in relative harmony. The same thing happens every time tho.

Good honest summary otherwise.

[Supreme]

Go outside. It's just Everquest.

[derpcake2]

price/quality the r99 offer is a bit low on the quality side

[Zuranthium]

The server never had 400+ pop post week one of the server opening, and it certainly never hit 400+ after November of 2011. I think the highest it ever hit post 2011 was MAYBE 300 for a day.

The pop of the server after they introduced the large exp bonus, level range for PvP, and LNS policy began to shoot up dramatically and peaked during the first week of Velious if I remember correctly, as people wanted to try the new content. I do recall 400 people on Red and 1,600 on Blue at some point during this time, because I specifically remember thinking "nice, Red's population is at 25% of Blue's right now, not bad!" And it was quite regularly over 300 for a few weeks after the expansion and even before that on some days during Kunark era, after the server changes were put in and an influx of people were trying it out.

The entire history of the server was one guild choking all the content, from Nihilum, to Empire, to Apex. The only difference with Empire was that the leadership didn't care about killing every single raid mob and whether or not someone killed Phara Dar or not 2 years into Velious.

Empire 100% did care about killing every single raid mob during Kunark. The only reason they didn't during Velious is because they already had a huge core of fully geared out Kunark-content toons + the new top-tier equip was vastly superior to all other content (which is what they DID systematically lock down for themselves), and most importantly because there was too much content for the guild to actually raid with the shitty ass leadership of only ever having 1 raid force. Empire leadership didn't "care" about the other content at that point because they were scared of ever not having a massive uncontested raid force for top Velious content. It was physically impossible for them to raid anything else with this lame mentality.

I didn't play during Apex era, but considering how much numbers dropped, I'm sure that whoever was left went back to caring about Veeshan's Peak content because nobody at all on the server was even capable of doing top Velious content. So of course they will turn their attention to locking down whatever the top content is in the game that can actually be raided.

To the final point about this mythical contesting and competition; you don't want competition. Competition in Velious is two sides sitting at a zone line for 6 hours refreshing buffs until either one side engages a mob, at which point the other side will then engage them while they are mid PvE, or the other side loses interest. It is incredibly boring and uninteresting.

That's not true. If there was any leadership with an actual PvP mindset in the top guild, then they would actively be going after whoever the challengers were, killing them and forcing them to LNS. As it was meant to be. Empire never even tried to do that. They just sluggishly rolled around with a raid force more than 2x as big as anything else, thus making it impossible for any real PvP to happen at all.

On the first day of Velious when <Friends> had their full guild amassed in Kael for example, it would have been 100% possible to see actual real PvP for zone control if numbers were more even. Instead, Empire just rolled in with 100 people, shoving them out of the zone and thinking they were hot shit for being able to win 100 v 35.

There was ONE instance of actual PvP that Empire ever had in Velious when I played, which was a 30v30 in Cobalt Scar after raiding was already over for the day and enough Empire people were still logged on and moving through the area when a "large" <Friends> team happened to be sitting there. Empire won but probably only because of being geared better, so it wasn't even that interesting of a fight despite the even number of players. And this is exactly what killed the server. Since Empire had been hoarding all the drops, and the game is ridiculously gear dependent after original EQ, we couldn't even have a good PvP fight one time when it didn't even matter to contest anything.

Your initial point about "another guild engaging a raid force while they are in PvE" is irrelevant to begin with. SO WHAT if a group of 30 Friends people were to engage, say, 50 Empire people while they are trying to clear a trash mob in ToV entrance. That would be perfectly fine! It would present an actual challenge for Empire, which is what PvP is supposed to be, and Empire would still likely have the upper hand in that situation! But this is what Empire strived to avoid at all costs. No competition whatsoever. Only uncontested PvE content, so that they could be way better geared than anyone else and think their life matters and they are "strong powerful men" for being able to do such a thing. PATHETIC.

As gay as it sounds, this game would be a lot more fun if Raid mobs were decided in some sort of 25 v 25 or 50 v 50 combat with the loser admitting defeat for the night or something.

That's not "gay" at all and it was something I constantly suggested back in the day, including as a weekly kind of competition between guilds. The idea had GM support as well, but the community never came together to make it happen when we had the opportunity.

[Schaduwridder]

Try to condense your posts to a few sentences or no one is going to read them.

I wont be reading that wall of text.

( nothing against you personally I left empire the day I got my wizard epic too : )

[heartbrand]

Your facts are bogus so there’s really no point in me breaking down your argument. Pop literally never broke 300 during Kunark. It barely broke 200 on opening day.

[Zuranthium]

You weren't even playing, you were "retired" at the time with your full BIS Kunark gear already, how would you know? It's quite telling that you are skipping over everything to try and argue one single semantic in the first place. The point is, the GM's put some effort in to make Red server better and it WORKED, but was ruined because of terrible leadership and overall mentality within the community (and then further made worse by Velious being inherently more imbalanced).

I'm not sure why you feel compelled to defend Empire, I can even find a quote of you talking about how Empire was more neckbeardy than Nihilum if you want. Empire was garbage dude, just like every other intentionally one-sided guild was. The only difference was Gongshow superficially seeming nicer, but that was his entire act - his method of securing power for himself. He wasn't at all a good influence on the server, not to mention a far worse raid leader than Nizzar. Plus, despite him seeming nicer, there was a period where he eventually started talking about chaturbate more than the game, which got disgusting and irritating. That right there also tells you how boring and empty the game was, thanks to people like him being so single-minded and selfish, turning the server Blue and worthless.

If it wasn't for Plane of Mischief giving me some fun times I probably would have quit the server again after just 2 weeks, instead of after about 5 weeks that it took me to get completely bored, despite a whole new expansion being released. That's another thing too - Plane of Mischief was the ONE area where we could have had really good, constant PvP with <Friends> on a smaller scale, but Empire couldn't even be bothered to PvP there. They just logged off when a zone wasn't 100% completely on lock down for them and didn't give a shit about anything but tediously rotating through all the big raid targets in easymode.

[derpcake2]

it seems unrealistic to have reasonable continue playing people on a server which staff can't even stand

[Jazzy]

Love these essays on elf sim

[White_knight]

The pop of the server after they introduced the large exp bonus, level range for PvP, and LNS policy began to shoot up dramatically and peaked during the first week of Velious if I remember correctly, as people wanted to try the new content. I do recall 400 people on Red and 1,600 on Blue at some point during this time, because I specifically remember thinking "nice, Red's population is at 25% of Blue's right now, not bad!" And it was quite regularly over 300 for a few weeks after the expansion and even before that on some days during Kunark era, after the server changes were put in and an influx of people were trying it out.



Empire 100% did care about killing every single raid mob during Kunark. The only reason they didn't during Velious is because they already had a huge core of fully geared out Kunark-content toons + the new top-tier equip was vastly superior to all other content (which is what they DID systematically lock down for themselves), and most importantly because there was too much content for the guild to actually raid with the shitty ass leadership of only ever having 1 raid force. Empire leadership didn't "care" about the other content at that point because they were scared of ever not having a massive uncontested raid force for top Velious content. It was physically impossible for them to raid anything else with this lame mentality.

I didn't play during Apex era, but considering how much numbers dropped, I'm sure that whoever was left went back to caring about Veeshan's Peak content because nobody at all on the server was even capable of doing top Velious content. So of course they will turn their attention to locking down whatever the top content is in the game that can actually be raided.



That's not true. If there was any leadership with an actual PvP mindset in the top guild, then they would actively be going after whoever the challengers were, killing them and forcing them to LNS. As it was meant to be. Empire never even tried to do that. They just sluggishly rolled around with a raid force more than 2x as big as anything else, thus making it impossible for any real PvP to happen at all.

On the first day of Velious when <Friends> had their full guild amassed in Kael for example, it would have been 100% possible to see actual real PvP for zone control if numbers were more even. Instead, Empire just rolled in with 100 people, shoving them out of the zone and thinking they were hot shit for being able to win 100 v 35.

There was ONE instance of actual PvP that Empire ever had in Velious when I played, which was a 30v30 in Cobalt Scar after raiding was already over for the day and enough Empire people were still logged on and moving through the area when a "large" <Friends> team happened to be sitting there. Empire won but probably only because of being geared better, so it wasn't even that interesting of a fight despite the even number of players. And this is exactly what killed the server. Since Empire had been hoarding all the drops, and the game is ridiculously gear dependent after original EQ, we couldn't even have a good PvP fight one time when it didn't even matter to contest anything.

Your initial point about "another guild engaging a raid force while they are in PvE" is irrelevant to begin with. SO WHAT if a group of 30 Friends people were to engage, say, 50 Empire people while they are trying to clear a trash mob in ToV entrance. That would be perfectly fine! It would present an actual challenge for Empire, which is what PvP is supposed to be, and Empire would still likely have the upper hand in that situation! But this is what Empire strived to avoid at all costs. No competition whatsoever. Only uncontested PvE content, so that they could be way better geared than anyone else and think their life matters and they are "strong powerful men" for being able to do such a thing. PATHETIC.



That's not "gay" at all and it was something I constantly suggested back in the day, including as a weekly kind of competition between guilds. The idea had GM support as well, but the community never came together to make it happen when we had the opportunity.

Hmmmmm....I think you've got a bad recollection of what happened.

That 30v30 in CS happened after a raid when Friends was going for the CS dragon and they just miss timed their raid as Empire tumbled out of PoM via click out. At the time I dont think they realized that was a possibility as they had not made it to PoM yet.

Friends never really went head on as a guild either just picked people off and pvped on the sidelines, think Grobb was the only time??????

I think empire only hit 100 on velious opening day maynr a week after or so too...most of the time it was 60-80 of an average od 250 pop during firsr few velious months.

Empire didnt do Kunark content for ages because why would you???? Only sick minded people would do all of velious and Kunark. I remember ninja looting gore at raid for a tash orb as the only time in the 5 months I raided velious with empire...and doing VP like twice??? And gore was killed to do a bard epic... think we did tslendor once and trak once? Twice?? And golems/vp got swallowed by friends for months and months.

For someone who basically played in Empire for the parts you talk about you sure didnt vote with your feet and deguild if these are you genuine feelings.

Also it wasnt friends who went to Kael it was TMO, empire went to VP and wiped with like a bazillion people because all these nubs kept training themselves; TMO couldn't drop Vindi or what not and Empire rocked up after cleaning the VP mess up and did a bunch of merbs including Wuushi.

You might wanna fact check yourself Z-man.

[heartbrand]

His facts are completely wrong. The only thing I’ll bother responding to is empire being more “neckbeardy” than nihilium. We spent more hours per week raiding in empire because there is significantly more content in Velious than Kunark. Nonetheless we still only raided three to four times a week and left tons of targets up. Had Nihilum been around they’d be raiding Velketor religiously, and have a 7 day raid schedule.

Raiding sucks in general, it was just more bearable in Kunark because you could clear all the raid targets in the game in less than 6-7 hours.

[Tassador]

I wonder what happens on blue that keeps people playing velious year 5. I got bored in live after year 2 and basically played little to no eq until red99.

Eq folk for the most part want to hold on to every little thing. Online hoarders. How about instead of wipe just ban all chars and lock kunark and velious content for 2 months lol.

[Tune]

Right before velious launch and through early velious, server population was at an all-time high; around 200+.

I went to Red as a pretty big skeptic and had some of the most fun I've had on Everquest.

What happened? What caused the server to fizzle out?

GMs?
YTs?
The Leaderboard?
<Empire> leaving?
Serverwide Chat?

Discuss.

200+ population is not even high

there is no one reason red is dead, people just eventually bored of logging into that (always fighting the same people, mobs) and u eventually get a lot less new people to replace the old.

blue has a strong casual population, because most people like pve more, and that is the "life blood" of that server. Always new people coming in, and it takes them longer to reach endgame.

you guys shouldn't be complaining tho, play another game, do some RL. this box might pick up, but if it doesn't, u should appreciate the good times you had on the box. I have been here from the beginning and I have met so many cool people, some i liked, some not so much. The rivalries and battles were great on here, hit and miss yes, but when they lined up I had a lot of fun.

Take this with you to other games.

[heartbrand]

200+ population is not even high

there is no one reason red is dead, people just eventually bored of logging into that (always fighting the same people, mobs) and u eventually get a lot less new people to replace the old.

blue has a strong casual population, because most people like pve more, and that is the "life blood" of that server. Always new people coming in, and it takes them longer to reach endgame.

you guys shouldn't be complaining tho, play another game, do some RL. this box might pick up, but if it doesn't, u should appreciate the good times you had on the box. I have been here from the beginning and I have met so many cool people, some i liked, some not so much. The rivalries and battles were great on here, hit and miss yes, but when they lined up I had a lot of fun.

Take this with you to other games.

1-800-273-8255

[Zuranthium]

That 30v30 in CS happened after a raid when Friends was going for the CS dragon and they just miss timed their raid as Empire tumbled out of PoM via click out. At the time I dont think they realized that was a possibility as they had not made it to PoM yet.

Friends never really went head on as a guild either just picked people off and pvped on the sidelines. Also it wasnt friends who went to Kael it was TMO.

This is all semantics, what point are you even trying to make? It's still exactly as I said -- whichever other guilds it was, it doesn't matter, the fact is that nobody could contest Empire whatsoever, because of how Empire was already overgeared and held a ridiculously oppressive numbers advantage. Yeah, of course <Friends> never actively went after Empire full force, because there was never anything in it for them. That's just suicide, which the dumbos in Empire would then proceed to mock on forums/ooc as "winning". Empire griefed all of the relevant gameplay off the server by never trying to actively PvP or play fair, just doing PvE-zerg.

And as for the population numbers, I again don't care about the semantics, the point is I definitely remember Red server being much healthier and eventually hitting 25% of Blue's population after the server changes were introduced, when previously the server population was always 5-10% of Blue. There was real growth on the server and opportunity for it to become much better, and the key players in the community destroyed it with their toxic behavior.

The only thing I’ll bother responding to is empire being more “neckbeardy” than nihilium. We spent more hours per week raiding in empire because there is significantly more content in Velious than Kunark. Nonetheless we still only raided three to four times a week and left tons of targets up. Had Nihilum been around they’d be raiding Velketor religiously, and have a 7 day raid schedule.

Who cares if a guild has a 7 day raid schedule, when they are able to do it with less people, in less time, and don't demand everyone to constantly be at every raid if they ever want a chance at loot. That's what the entire point of a large guild should be - your expansive membership means you have enough people on every day to viably contest PvP or form groups. It's a much better way of doing things, as it means everyone in the guild can log on when they want to and know there will be adventure waiting for them.

Empire instead couldn't ever budge from doing their one lame strategy. They had to have off days, because their raids were so damn sloppy and tedious that even the leaders didn't want to be there for it. They just wanted to collect their pixels, not actually play Everquest. Nihilum would have chewed through the content way faster, while actually allowing for PvP to happen and doing other things outside of those specific raids. I'm not saying that guild was especially healthy either, but at least Nizzar could get shit done in a timely fashion and had a backbone when it came to PvP.

I remember in Nihilum that we sometimes did split raid forces when a ton of people were on, doing Plane of Sky and Trakanon at the same time for example. One day <Azrael> came through and destroyed the raid force doing Trakanon (not when the Nihilum group had engaged Trak either); the Nihi group wasn't well organized and had too many weak players on it, so they lost. That's how it's supposed to work. Real PvP, with the better team winning. The point of the server.

Empire's behavior forced the entire server into a monotonous PvE trashbin, where not only PvP wasn't allowed to really happen, but people weren't even allowed to play PvE when they wanted to and as they wanted to. All players not in Empire had to creep around and just do PvE in the zones they were "allowed" to, and people in Empire were made to feel like it was a slave job rather than a game. Since everyone in the guild was forced into hours of mind-numbingly boring and repetitive PvE, they would just log off after raids and generally never try to do anything else as a real guild outside of it. When it was only 9 fucking <Friends> people sitting in Plane of Mischief after Empire's raid time ended, I couldn't even get the guild to come contest that tiny level of competition. Empire was forced out of their own fucking zone they were guild bound in, whenever the entire guild wasn't logged on. So you see, the people in Empire who actually wanted to play Everquest couldn't do that either, since the game was turned into something else altogether.

This is all a great example of why rampant capitalism and right-wing mentalities tend to turn everything to shit, BTW. Though I doubt many people here care about that or even comprehend the problem, despite being given years of proof of exactly how toxic and corrosive it is. Just keep repeating the same mistakes to grave while the world suffers, hurray!

[Jazzy]

You didnt answer the question as to why you were guilded with empire if this is how you feel?

[Jazzy]

Real interested to hear the reason, seeing as there was probably 50-100 players who refused / werent able to join empire

[Kohedron]

Maybe because it's a 20 year old game not even built for PvP in the slightest

[Tune]

Maybe because it's a 20 year old game not even built for PvP in the slightest

yes

Real interested to hear the reason, seeing as there was probably 50-100 players who refused / werent able to join empire

kinda inflated numbers buddy

1-800-273-8255

this guy just kinda just proves my last point. R99 attracts a lot of weirdos who get out casted and quit soon after. Being low pop already this doesn't help much. These mad people are forced to do nothing but post here and never play the game, and they are discouraging for new players to join.

they also spout wipe the server to troll the people playing that they are mad at.

that is the biggest hit on the population if u ask me.

[coolget]

briefly skimmed one of the 19 essays in this thread and saw zuranthium goin hard on ol' gongshow, despite gongshow being the 1 person keeping zuranthium in Empire when every single other person, officers included other than maybe omai, wanted to kick him out for being generally retarded and worthless

[heartbrand]

yes



kinda inflated numbers buddy



this guy just kinda just proves my last point. R99 attracts a lot of weirdos who get out casted and quit soon after. Being low pop already this doesn't help much. These mad people are forced to do nothing but post here and never play the game, and they are discouraging for new players to join.

they also spout wipe the server to troll the people playing that they are mad at.

that is the biggest hit on the population if u ask me.


I unfortunately probably have top 25 /played on this server, although no longer sure with Velious sickness in year 3. I have killed every mob in the game, including the four warders and AoW. I have two SoD's. Your comment makes no sense. The real weirdos are the ones still playing.

[HippoNipple]

yes



kinda inflated numbers buddy



this guy just kinda just proves my last point. R99 attracts a lot of weirdos who get out casted and quit soon after. Being low pop already this doesn't help much. These mad people are forced to do nothing but post here and never play the game, and they are discouraging for new players to join.

they also spout wipe the server to troll the people playing that they are mad at.

that is the biggest hit on the population if u ask me.


People ask for a wipe because they think the current server is boring. How would a server wipe change the fact that these individuals you speak were outcasted. Why wouldn't that continue into the next server?

[White_knight]

The real weirdos are the ones still playing.

This is a gem of truth.

[White_knight]

yes



kinda inflated numbers buddy



this guy just kinda just proves my last point. R99 attracts a lot of weirdos who get out casted and quit soon after. Being low pop already this doesn't help much. These mad people are forced to do nothing but post here and never play the game, and they are discouraging for new players to join.

they also spout wipe the server to troll the people playing that they are mad at.

that is the biggest hit on the population if u ask me.

You're one of the biggest weirdos on the server though; but you dont see it that way. No one really likes you but people who want to join the gravy train. Half your own guild thinks you're a bitch even after you dedicated your life to running a guild for them... you've created some sort of bubble where in your mind you're the greatest.

In my entire time on the 99 project I never saw so many people talk shit on their own guild leader than yourself. But that's because of your personality and poor people skill and generally odd behaviour and the queers you call close eq friends.

This you already know though.

Re: the wipe point

People asking for a wipe isnt because they are mad at other players it's because they want to play red99 just not in its current state. This is why RoZ has 180-200 pop and red99 40 even though red99 has far superior coding that people are willing to over look the bugs for now to enjoy a fresh start on RoZ.

If red99 wiped, and removed LNS due to the quality of the coding on red99 everyone would rush back.

Then again this is just another concoction in your brain as how everyone is mad at you for "winning???" the server and wants to wipe it to undermine you or some crazy shit.

[heartbrand]

Then again this is just another concoction in your brain as how everyone is mad at you for "winning???" the server and wants to wipe it to undermine you or some crazy shit.

ding ding ding ding ding ding

[Albane]

Is there any chance this server, or another red server will be restarted? This server was a blast for the first month or two. After killing CT, Nagafen, and Vox, I was done though. No interest in grinding gear that would be replaced a few weeks into Kunark.

I feel bad for those people who have been playing consistently for the past 7ish years, but the servers needs to be restarted to be entertaining again.

[Zuranthium]

You didnt answer the question as to why you were guilded with empire if this is how you feel?

Because as I already talked about, being in a large guild means there should always be people to do things with. I wanted to actually be able to play, and other players I had met and liked during my leveling up phase of the game had all joined the guild. Then besides that, every other guild was either unprepared to take on the top content or had a bunch of people who constantly griefed other players (but then I suppose some of this was born out of guilds like Empire unfairly suppressing the server and leaving any possible competition with no other choice).

briefly skimmed one of the 19 essays in this thread and saw zuranthium goin hard on ol' gongshow, despite gongshow being the 1 person keeping zuranthium in Empire when every single other person, officers included other than maybe omai, wanted to kick him out for being generally retarded and worthless

I was a far better player than most people in the guild and one of the few who actually wanted to PvP (and scored kills on my own, without any kind of ridic gear advantage, ending up at the top of the entire leaderboard for the guild, in fact). People were mad that I didn't want to do boring ass zerg PvE or otherwise play the game as stupidly as they did. Wake up, they weren't even playing the game, and you're clearly one of those zombies. If it had been a real PvP server, then my role (aside from porting) would have been killing other players who were trying to contest, while you stood around auto-attacking NPCs or buffing for hours on end, whichever class you may have been.

[Imago]

I was a far better player than most people in the guild

LOL.

[Schaduwridder]

briefly skimmed one of the 19 essays in this thread and saw zuranthium goin hard on ol' gongshow, despite gongshow being the 1 person keeping zuranthium in Empire when every single other person, officers included other than maybe omai, wanted to kick him out for being generally retarded and worthless

He was only in empire to get his epic because you low t nerds griefed everyone into joining your guild or not getting the items they want ( like nihilum )

he left the day he got his ( just like me )

hope this helps

[mickmoranis]

oh hey the reason is ending cross server trading, if you look at the moment that decision went through the population went directly down to the 16 that it currently idles on now.

velious was fun, but that's what it was, fun, it wasnt a server, it was a race and it was won and it was lost and then when the winners left the same linier decline to 16 players that started with the banning of cross server trading, continued.

If there was cross server trading I would bet you that you'd see 100+ players regularly.

[Tassador]

He was only in empire to get his epic because you low t nerds griefed everyone into joining your guild or not getting the items they want ( like nihilum )

he left the day he got his ( just like me )

hope this helps

Nobody liked you and you were a warm body. What did that wiz epic do for you? Absolutely nothing man.

[Schaduwridder]

There may be a valid argument with the cross server trading, established blue players will get a few things and play alts and mess around.

100+ ? dunno about that

[mickmoranis]

There may be a valid argument with the cross server trading, established blue players will get a few things and play alts and mess around.

100+ ? dunno about that

it'd have such a positive impact on the economy some how youd have 1500 back on blue too

jk idfk I do think xserver trading tho really took the wind out of red's sales

but aside from that shitty pun

idk those blue people tried to come to red and play, what was that guild, tiggles's guild or something that he bailed on, TMO

they basically just got long dicked off the server and that was kind of that for new players. amiright? i cant remember I was on heroin more than half the time.

[Sear]

Didn't read all of this thread, but this guy got it on the first page:

The barrier to entry is incredibly high on red. There is for the most part no one to level with, no economy to speak of, and it feels like a ghost town. The EXP bonus makes the journey to 60 rather quick on a solo class and the end game is a huge bore. There's only one guild to play, getting non vulak / dozekar items is incredibly easy, so you basically "win" EverQuest in a very short period of time. There's no EC Tunnel Quest so it's not as though you can go farm items and play the auction metagame; there's not tons of organic grouping going on to level alts up with; and everyone you play with at the end game has the exact same end game gear you do so there's little to no feeling of accomplishment. Couple that with the fact that there will never be new content and you have a recipe for boredom and disinterest.

Blue, despite having the same issue of a lack of content, has a [artificially] "competitive" end game scene which means it takes significantly longer to "win" the game by getting all your raid gear. This keeps the carrot on the end of the stick for you to keep on logging in. It also has a robust economy so for those who are interested in the metagame of acquiring platinum can participate in that. There is also an influx of new players to level up with again because when someone hears about P99 for the first time are they rolling up on a 19 person box or 600 person box? Couple that with the fact that a lot of people just don't like PvP.

All the talk about "toxic" player base and everything else just ignores the real fundamental issues with the server. A re-release, with a clear rule set, GM enforcement, a safe zone such as EC [yes guilds use it to buff up and prep, but the positives outweigh the negatives], classic EXP gain, and a higher death penalty; would all go a long way to driving up the population on this server. However, there will never be a wipe, and dramatic changes on this box where everyone has 11 vulak geared alts isn't going to generate any significant interest.

Box needs a reset to vanilla (ideally w/ teams ruleset).

Relative "safe" zones were built-in on VZ/TZ/SZ and your allies/enemies were clearly defined. That lowers the barrier to entry for casual players.

If Kunark and Velious progression is necessary to keep on a low-pop box like this, I feel like they should be on limited timelines. There aren't and never have been enough players on EQEmu to support the size of those expansions on a red server. It's still high because this is Everquest in 2018, but it's not as bad as FFA. And if live servers were any indication, there's more PvP on teams servers despite there being "more targets" on RZ (which basically became a ghetto blue server while there were epic race wars for zone control on VZ and TZ).

I'm sure the hardcore playerbase has long since BIS-geared their 8th alt by now, so what else is left for them to do? I know I won't bother playing here again unless it does get reset because the current state of the server just doesn't interest me. If I wanted to grind PvE content by myself I'd do it on the blue server. There's no low or mid level PvP here.

Also, the playerbase seems fine. There's always a few vocal idiots but people are tame here now compared to VZTZ or early R99.

[HippoNipple]

Didn't read all of this thread, but this guy got it on the first page:



Box needs a reset to vanilla (ideally w/ teams ruleset).

Relative "safe" zones were built-in on VZ/TZ/SZ and your allies/enemies were clearly defined. That lowers the barrier to entry for casual players.

If Kunark and Velious progression is necessary to keep on a low-pop box like this, I feel like they should be on limited timelines. There aren't and never have been enough players on EQEmu to support the size of those expansions on a red server. It's still high because this is Everquest in 2018, but it's not as bad as FFA. And if live servers were any indication, there's more PvP on teams servers despite there being "more targets" on RZ (which basically became a ghetto blue server while there were epic race wars for zone control on VZ and TZ).

I'm sure the hardcore playerbase has long since BIS-geared their 8th alt by now, so what else is left for them to do? I know I won't bother playing here again unless it does get reset because the current state of the server just doesn't interest me. If I wanted to grind PvE content by myself I'd do it on the blue server. There's no low or mid level PvP here.

Also, the playerbase seems fine. There's always a few vocal idiots but people are tame here now compared to VZTZ or early R99.

Even Tune quit, I don't know what else people need to know.

[Schaduwridder]

Most of you are really stupid

[Nirgon]

Good Guys had more people online and quit after one fight.

Coulda been good for the box.

Maybe if Lite/Max didn't have the wheel.

Zuranthium wewww :)

[bigjeff100]

Didn't read all of this thread, but this guy got it on the first page:



Box needs a reset to vanilla (ideally w/ teams ruleset).

Relative "safe" zones were built-in on VZ/TZ/SZ and your allies/enemies were clearly defined. That lowers the barrier to entry for casual players.

If Kunark and Velious progression is necessary to keep on a low-pop box like this, I feel like they should be on limited timelines. There aren't and never have been enough players on EQEmu to support the size of those expansions on a red server. It's still high because this is Everquest in 2018, but it's not as bad as FFA. And if live servers were any indication, there's more PvP on teams servers despite there being "more targets" on RZ (which basically became a ghetto blue server while there were epic race wars for zone control on VZ and TZ).

I'm sure the hardcore playerbase has long since BIS-geared their 8th alt by now, so what else is left for them to do? I know I won't bother playing here again unless it does get reset because the current state of the server just doesn't interest me. If I wanted to grind PvE content by myself I'd do it on the blue server. There's no low or mid level PvP here.

Also, the playerbase seems fine. There's always a few vocal idiots but people are tame here now compared to VZTZ or early R99.

Over the last few years i've gained more and more interest in wanting to make a toon on red. So i am basically clueless on red. But this little blip of writing tells me all i need to know, and very clearly too. Well done. Super sad- Cause i really do want to adventure on a PVP server. But it's a huge turn off to know everybody on there is pimped the fuck out with gear, and that geared out toon is tied into a trio of toons you're boxing on. Can't wait to log in to a newb zone to find homey bored waiting destroy me before the giant rat does.

With how little the population is on these servers, is it totally crazy for the player base to come together and say hey.. "This server is totally fucked but we love to pvp, so lets salvage this. On the following date- All players need to either wipe their toons, or start a new level 1, and join one of the 2 or 4 or 6 or whatever- Guilds". Without a GM to wipe the server for you, is red capable of rallying together to do their own "reset"?

[Servant]

Over the last few years i've gained more and more interest in wanting to make a toon on red. So i am basically clueless on red. But this little blip of writing tells me all i need to know, and very clearly too. Well done. Super sad- Cause i really do want to adventure on a PVP server. But it's a huge turn off to know everybody on there is pimped the fuck out with gear, and that geared out toon is tied into a trio of toons you're boxing on. Can't wait to log in to a newb zone to find homey bored waiting destroy me before the giant rat does.

With how little the population is on these servers, is it totally crazy for the player base to come together and say hey.. "This server is totally fucked but we love to pvp, so lets salvage this. On the following date- All players need to either wipe their toons, or start a new level 1, and join one of the 2 or 4 or 6 or whatever- Guilds". Without a GM to wipe the server for you, is red capable of rallying together to do their own "reset"?

Boxing for PVP is generally not done - they're talking about boxing for exp groups and raids, which does happen somewhat maybe but not to the extent that they naysayers would have you believe. It is true that the raiding guilds have myriad alt accounts, and when you bring a wizard to a raid, they might want you to camp him out there for loots but actually play a core raid class like rogue or especially cleric. Them's the breaks on an underpopulated server...

[bigjeff100]

Boxing for PVP is generally not done - they're talking about boxing for exp groups and raids, which does happen somewhat maybe but not to the extent that they naysayers would have you believe. It is true that the raiding guilds have myriad alt accounts, and when you bring a wizard to a raid, they might want you to camp him out there for loots but actually play a core raid class like rogue or especially cleric. Them's the breaks on an underpopulated server...

How come folks don't box for pvp? Or they do, just not as often as a non red player would think?

[Schaduwridder]

Good guys had the worst players on the server, would watch them throw like 10 people at 1 other and like 5 guys would die and 3 would plug rest would gate and talk shit @ bind

[heartbrand]

How come folks don't box for pvp? Or they do, just not as often as a non red player would think?

It's not really easy to box effectively in a PvP setting. It's great for ports, buffs, afk heals, but you're not going to effectively box melees in a PvP situation.

[bigjeff100]

It's not really easy to box effectively in a PvP setting. It's great for ports, buffs, afk heals, but you're not going to effectively box melees in a PvP situation.

That's kinda legit then in my books..

[bigjeff100]

Boxing for PVP is generally not done - they're talking about boxing for exp groups and raids, which does happen somewhat maybe but not to the extent that they naysayers would have you believe. It is true that the raiding guilds have myriad alt accounts, and when you bring a wizard to a raid, they might want you to camp him out there for loots but actually play a core raid class like rogue or especially cleric. Them's the breaks on an underpopulated server...

Totally true.. From the outside looking in on red. A major turn off is boxing.. Yet years later, im just now finding out boxing isn't used for PVP.. i look at the server with a fresh set of eyes now :)

[heartbrand]

I will say there are exceptional people who can box pretty damn well in PvP [although usually involving hacks], but they are the exception not the norm. Typically, for us normal humans, the boxed char is immobile during PvP and easily dispatched.

[Zuranthium]

Over the last few years i've gained more and more interest in wanting to make a toon on red. So i am basically clueless on red. But this little blip of writing tells me all i need to know, and very clearly too. Well done. Super sad- Cause i really do want to adventure on a PVP server. But it's a huge turn off to know everybody on there is pimped the fuck out with gear, and that geared out toon is tied into a trio of toons you're boxing on. Can't wait to log in to a newb zone to find homey bored waiting destroy me before the giant rat does.

It's not like this on p99 red right now. The atmosphere is way better than before. Less players at the moment, but I think it will climb back up, I've seen some new people starting these past couple days.

[Tassador]

Big Z is on the real R99 is coming back. New players are sprucing up everywhere!

[Sear]

Over the last few years i've gained more and more interest in wanting to make a toon on red. So i am basically clueless on red. But this little blip of writing tells me all i need to know, and very clearly too. Well done. Super sad- Cause i really do want to adventure on a PVP server. But it's a huge turn off to know everybody on there is pimped the fuck out with gear, and that geared out toon is tied into a trio of toons you're boxing on. Can't wait to log in to a newb zone to find homey bored waiting destroy me before the giant rat does.

With how little the population is on these servers, is it totally crazy for the player base to come together and say hey.. "This server is totally fucked but we love to pvp, so lets salvage this. On the following date- All players need to either wipe their toons, or start a new level 1, and join one of the 2 or 4 or 6 or whatever- Guilds". Without a GM to wipe the server for you, is red capable of rallying together to do their own "reset"?

Not crazy at all. Try it.

Realistically, I don't know how many players would stay faithful to player-driven restrictions. I imagine that the temptation to go back to Velious twinks & slaughter the players running around in vanilla gear will be too strong for some people.

It's much easier if the server admin makes the call for the players. An official relaunch also markets itself and attracts more players. Sirken should know this (he's still around, right?) since he worked with me on VZTZ.

A "will never be reset" hard line seems like a death knell for this type of server. Makes more sense to set some minimum # of years between resets so players have assurances of stability.

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

The released Kun and Vel.

[Zuranthium]

Realistically, I don't know how many players would stay faithful to player-driven restrictions. I imagine that the temptation to go back to Velious twinks & slaughter the players running around in vanilla gear will be too strong for some people.

It's much easier if the server admin makes the call for the players. An official relaunch also markets itself and attracts more players. A "will never be reset" hard line seems like a death knell for this type of server.

There doesn't need to be a reset to balance this stuff out. They could just limit overpowered gear based upon level/zone. Also balance melee/caster damage (and resists) better for PvP, because it's ridiculous in this era of the game, with melee dominating and casters doing virtually nothing to a well geared melee.

They already have their purely "classic" coding for blue server, they should be able to do non-classic stuff on this box.

[Bazia]

i wont be deleting any of my geared toons, sorry you lost

[bigjeff100]

i wont be deleting any of my geared toons, sorry you lost

Perfectly normal conversation about red. Insert- Bazia ladies and gentlemen.

[heartbrand]

There doesn't need to be a reset to balance this stuff out. They could just limit overpowered gear based upon level/zone. Also balance melee/caster damage (and resists) better for PvP, because it's ridiculous in this era of the game, with melee dominating and casters doing virtually nothing to a well geared melee.

They already have their purely "classic" coding for blue server, they should be able to do non-classic stuff on this box.

Takes an average of 1.8 years per patch of typoed quest text, but I’m sure they’ll work on some custom balance patches to the PvP server.

[Jazzy]

What sort of sicko does not want a r99 wipe?

You know how eq still kept players playing after velious? They kept introducing new expansions.

R99 doesnt go past velious, we know that. So the pop will never creep back up to the glory days. It HAS to wipe. They wont do custom content, ya moran.

[Zuranthium]

Actually people didn't keep playing EQ back in the day despite constant expansions. The devs destroyed the game world with all that poor content and lazy add-ons, and people moved to other games not long after.

Neither custom content (which is different than PvP balancing for the server) nor expansions are needed for this server, if you're paying attention. The #1 most important thing needed for this server right now is a non-toxic community. Then, maybe the p99 devs will give it more attention again.

[Jazzy]

So youre saying ?300 players would happily play velious for the foreseeable future, with no end in sight?

Got it

[Jazzy]

Also, as far as i am aware, yes people are still playing “official” everquest

[bigjeff100]

So youre saying ?300 players would happily play velious for the foreseeable future, with no end in sight?

Got it

So sad, cause the idea of a great pvp server is totally possible! I'd think that if you just tweaked settings to not make it easy mode for gear and soloing. Increase penalties, and have some sort of direction in terms of these guild safe zones, or level restricted zones.. the more i actually get interested in red, the more it appeals to me.. If you just did a few of those simple changes, and THEN reset it. It would surely appeal to people.. Making the game tougher on casuals like it is on blue, keeps a lot of folks around playing wanting to scratch that itch they will never scratch.. I'll never step in ToV, im too casual. But the idea of needing and wanting to accomplish seeing those zones, keeps me playin.. I don't know how more high end blue players don't make toons on red.. If you had the time to really grind EQ, the idea of battling guilds physically over high end raid targets seems so much more fun.. Anyways, love ya'll over on red, I still plan to make a toon sorry about the state of your server.! Ill let you know the name so you can all find me and destroy me and post pictures about bigj's many deaths.

[Schaduwridder]

they are not allowed to wipe the server wish people would stop asking

[Nirgon]

So youre saying ?300 players would happily play velious for the foreseeable future, with no end in sight?

Got it

Check blue

[Jazzy]

Blue 99 doesnt count

Uber power nerds are sick in the head

[Tassador]

they are not allowed to wipe the server wish people would stop asking

Naw

[Jazzy]

Pantheon looks turd and so are all dbg games

Did anyone play h1z1? Fucking garbage

[trite]

Most people just hate being griefed, the live PVP servers had the same problem.... this server actually peaked in its first week or two, it was awesome for 2 weeks after launch. But all the casuals quit because EQ PVP is too stressful for the average player. The p99 team nailed the coffin shut when they tried to make the server less classic in a misguided attempt to help the population with global chat and exp bonuses...for awhile red population was helped a little because Blue to Red trading was allowed and it sort of made sense to farm items on empty Red server and then cash in on Blue.... But yeah, EQ PVP has never been balanced and it's most fun when you are making someones life so difficult they want to quit...which they do....

[Schaduwridder]

global ooc worst idea ever for a server filled with toxic children and miserable unemployed 30+ stay at home sons

[Bazia]

Most people just hate being griefed, the live PVP servers had the same problem.... this server actually peaked in its first week or two, it was awesome for 2 weeks after launch. But all the casuals quit because EQ PVP is too stressful for the average player. The p99 team nailed the coffin shut when they tried to make the server less classic in a misguided attempt to help the population with global chat and exp bonuses...for awhile red population was helped a little because Blue to Red trading was allowed and it sort of made sense to farm items on empty Red server and then cash in on Blue.... But yeah, EQ PVP has never been balanced and it's most fun when you are making someones life so difficult they want to quit...which they do....

incorrect, people left quickly because of nonstop unplayable lag due to the retarded strategy of launching kunark blue live with red vanilla at the same time... raped the servers and was a complete laggy shitfest for at least 2months +

read cast's ancient blog about why the lag made him ragequit as he lost so many levels to it while bard kiting at launch "why I was the *real* first level 50"

[Bazia]

the addition of velious was the final nail though, i already had to check like 12 zones in kunark to find anyone to pvp and now you added even more "space" to feel empty

[Izmael]

red is only fun if you play it like a full time job 12+ hours / day.

aint nobody got time for dat.

[coolget]

I was a far better player than most people in the guild and one of the few who actually wanted to PvP (and scored kills on my own, without any kind of ridic gear advantage, ending up at the top of the entire leaderboard for the guild, in fact). People were mad that I didn't want to do boring ass zerg PvE or otherwise play the game as stupidly as they did. Wake up, they weren't even playing the game, and you're clearly one of those zombies. If it had been a real PvP server, then my role (aside from porting) would have been killing other players who were trying to contest, while you stood around auto-attacking NPCs or buffing for hours on end, whichever class you may have been.

you're delusional, man

aside from porting people, you literally would sit there in temple of veeshan casting o'keil's radiation on the tank over and over to make it seem like you were participating and then tried to lie to me when i confronted you about it so you wouldn't get kicked out

other times you were dead and being bindcamped in plane of mischief

if you're so "anti-zerg" then why did you join the guild for several months? you claim you just wanted PvP, so why join the guild with 90% of the level 60 population? you also joined nihilum, which was in the exact same situation

you're holding a grudge because everyone in the guild treated you poorly for doing barely anything worthwhile and for being a social pariah

[Zuranthium]

So youre saying ?300 players would happily play velious for the foreseeable future, with no end in sight?

Got it

More people than that play Starcraft 1 and Smash Brothers competitively, games which have been essentially unchanged since 1999. Great games don't require more content for people to play them, they are played because they continue to be fun and intellectually stimulating, and continue to change dynamically based upon what the opponent does at any given time.

PvP (and PvE) Everquest needs many modifications to reach that point where it would be sustaining. The concept of needing to continually "level up" and get new gear is an empty premise when left unchecked, it's something that becomes nothing more than busywork, while simultaneously unbalancing the playerbase and the game world. It's a toxic symptom of capitalism, where people think they need more more more "stuff" in order to have value in their life, when actually none of that means anything.

[Zuranthium]

you're delusional, man

Yes you are. Everything I'm about to write has already been explained previously, but it still hasn't gotten through your head.

aside from porting people, you literally would sit there in temple of veeshan casting o'keil's radiation on the tank over and over to make it seem like you were participating and then tried to lie to me when i confronted you about it so you wouldn't get kicked out

I didn't need to do anything except port (during the large raids where we had way too many people) and I never lied about anything. YOU stupidly assumed I was casting o'keils because of incompetence or something, which just shows your own ignorance. I did that in order to not ruin my faction, as there was no point in taking faction hits. It would actually HURT the guild for me to do anything else, as then I would have to waste time getting faction back up, instead of doing something else useful with my time outside of raids.

Wizard DPS with 100 people present is completely negligible. If I had "participated" by casting a single lure or two on each trash mob, it would have done nothing useful at all. The raid wouldn't have gone any faster.

other times you were dead and being bindcamped in plane of mischief

Being bind camped when afk means nothing. See, you and other ignorant people think these kinds of empty events hold meaning, when they don't. It has no bearing on player skill and it effects nothing. A yellow text pops up in the game world, who cares? Well, stupid people care I suppose. People who have little understanding of what player skill actually is and have never accomplished anything in far more competitive and skillful games.

if you're so "anti-zerg" then why did you join the guild for several months? you claim you just wanted PvP, so why join the guild with 90% of the level 60 population? you also joined nihilum, which was in the exact same situation

Already talked about this, yet again, in this very thread, if you bothered reading. I wanted to be in a guild that would always have people to do things with whenever I logged on, and who were capable of doing all the game content. Additionally, I hoped the guild would wise up and split forces more, instead of needlessly camping everyone in one place 24/7.

If I had joined another guild it wouldn't have allowed me to PvP more. It actually would have meant less PvP, seeing as how Empire people just ran away from PvP unless they had an insurmountable advantage. So at least I got to fight the <Friends> people sometimes. Eventually that got boring too though, seeing as how Empire just gave up on PoM at night and let <Friends> have it uncontested.

Also, the game wasn't nearly as unbalanced during the Nihilum era. <Azrael> was a much bigger threat at the time and it was Kunark era, so there was less of a gear imbalance.

you're holding a grudge because everyone in the guild treated you poorly for doing barely anything worthwhile

Everyone didn't treat me poorly and I was very worthwhile. Outside of the boring ass raids where we had way too many people, I was one of the most active players in the guild and always doing the most possible, playing my character to its potential better than other people did. The problem is the guild was PvE and I was a Wizard. Even playing the best a person possibly can, my class was inherently weaker for PvE content (particularly considering I didn't have a VP clicky). Yet, I still perfectly used my Manarobe inbetween every single med tick for mana, during any situation where it mattered. The Shamans in the guild didn't even try to Canni dance perfectly like I did.

You know this too, or would know if you paid any attention (seeing as how I was always doing this in Halls of Testing or in PoM groups, which you were frequently at), but your head is stuck too far up your ass. You think being an uber geared Monk means you achieved something worthwhile, when all it means is you grinded PvE a ton uncontested.

If the server was actually balanced and there was real PvP competition, then during raids I would have been very active. Instead, the server was ruined by the zerg bullshit and cesspool mentality of the players who were obsessed with pixel-questing, thinking they "won" by doing nothing but the same braindead PvE over and over and over.

I scored more PvP kills than anyone else in Empire, and that's with only playing for 1 month too, since I only came back right before Velious launched and the leaderboard had been up long before that. This further shows how completely pathetic the overriding mentality of the guild was, when the most undergeared player in the guild is the leader for PvP kills, and yet people seem to think that person is not doing anything worthwhile, just because they don't act like a brainless slave during overpopulated PvE raids. Trump-heads.

[Tassador]

Yes you are. Everything I'm about to write has already been explained previously, but it still hasn't gotten through your head.



I didn't need to do anything except port (during the large raids where we had way too many people) and I never lied about anything. YOU stupidly assumed I was casting o'keils because of incompetence or something, which just shows your own ignorance. I did that in order to not ruin my faction, as there was no point in taking faction hits. It would actually HURT the guild for me to do anything else, as then I would have to waste time getting faction back up, instead of doing something else useful with my time outside of raids.

Wizard DPS with 100 people present is completely negligible. If I had "participated" by casting a single lure or two on each trash mob, it would have done nothing useful at all. The raid wouldn't have gone any faster.



Being bind camped when afk means nothing. See, you and other ignorant people think these kinds of empty events hold meaning, when they don't. It has no bearing on player skill and it effects nothing. A yellow text pops up in the game world, who cares? Well, stupid people care I suppose. People who have little understanding of what player skill actually is and have never accomplished anything in far more competitive and skillful games.



Already talked about this, yet again, in this very thread, if you bothered reading. I wanted to be in a guild that would always have people to do things with whenever I logged on, and who were capable of doing all the game content. Additionally, I hoped the guild would wise up and split forces more, instead of needlessly camping everyone in one place 24/7.

If I had joined another guild it wouldn't have allowed me to PvP more. It actually would have meant less PvP, seeing as how Empire people just ran away from PvP unless they had an insurmountable advantage. So at least I got to fight the <Friends> people sometimes. Eventually that got boring too though, seeing as how Empire just gave up on PoM at night and let <Friends> have it uncontested.

Also, the game wasn't nearly as unbalanced during the Nihilum era. <Azrael> was a much bigger threat at the time and it was Kunark era, so there was less of a gear imbalance.



Everyone didn't treat me poorly and I was very worthwhile. Outside of the boring ass raids where we had way too many people, I was one of the most active players in the guild and always doing the most possible, playing my character to its potential better than other people did. The problem is the guild was PvE and I was a Wizard. Even playing the best a person possibly can, my class was inherently weaker for PvE content (particularly considering I didn't have a VP clicky). Yet, I still perfectly used my Manarobe inbetween every single med tick for mana, during any situation where it mattered. The Shamans in the guild didn't even try to Canni dance perfectly like I did.

You know this too, or would know if you paid any attention (seeing as how I was always doing this in Halls of Testing or in PoM groups, which you were frequently at), but your head is stuck too far up your ass. You think being an uber geared Monk means you achieved something worthwhile, when all it means is you grinded PvE a ton uncontested.

If the server was actually balanced and there was real PvP competition, then during raids I would have been very active. Instead, the server was ruined by the zerg bullshit and cesspool mentality of the players who were obsessed with pixel-questing, thinking they "won" by doing nothing but the same braindead PvE over and over and over.

I scored more PvP kills than anyone else in Empire, and that's with only playing for 1 month too, since I only came back right before Velious launched and the leaderboard had been up long before that. This further shows how completely pathetic the overriding mentality of the guild was, when the most undergeared player in the guild is the leader for PvP kills, and yet people seem to think that person is not doing anything worthwhile, just because they don't act like a brainless slave during overpopulated PvE raids. Trump-heads.

Didn’t read but man grandmaster has you fucked in the head brah.

[coolget]

lol

nobody will ever look back on this server and say that zuranthium was anything but a shitty player and a space cadet

[Jazzy]

I seem to recall this dude being a laughing stock on the blue forums too

[Zuranthium]

That's your wrong opinion, but keep trying to dodge facts while having 0 reasoning.

Nobody with any perspective will ever look at Empire and think they achieved something relevant. I'd have to infer people who go down that path are not able to be successful in any other game/endeavor. Or perhaps you just had some kind of deep urge to "beat" pre-Luclin PvE Everquest. Okay sure, nostalgia blinded you (most people come to p99 to relive/complete their EQ experiences from decades ago), so that's why you dedicated your life for years to pointless pixels. Yet, you should have been able to see how the server was nothing close to classic and your actions were only unhealthy. Colgate, you personally were capable of more, and that's what makes your continued ignorance even more sad.

It's especially hilarious how you try to act as if you are special when I only played on the server for maybe 4 months total, over the course of a few different periods of time. I've won money and been a top ranked player in several other games that are far bigger than this tiny server. How about you? Done anything relevant besides grind for years and years in a game that does not take much skill?

[derpcake2]

I always laugh when people use the word "achieve" related to EQ.

srs bsns

Done anything relevant besides grind for years and years in a game that does not take much skill?

having a job seems relevant enough

also u seem very mad

[White_knight]

That's your wrong opinion, but keep trying to dodge facts while having 0 reasoning.

Nobody with any perspective will ever look at Empire and think they achieved something relevant. I'd have to infer people who go down that path are not able to be successful in any other game/endeavor. Or perhaps you just had some kind of deep urge to "beat" pre-Luclin PvE Everquest. Okay sure, nostalgia blinded you (most people come to p99 to relive/complete their EQ experiences from decades ago), so that's why you dedicated your life for years to pointless pixels. Yet, you should have been able to see how the server was nothing close to classic and your actions were only unhealthy. Colgate, you personally were capable of more, and that's what makes your continued ignorance even more sad.

It's especially hilarious how you try to act as if you are special when I only played on the server for maybe 4 months total, over the course of a few different periods of time. I've won money and been a top ranked player in several other games that are far bigger than this tiny server. How about you? Done anything relevant besides grind for years and years in a game that does not take much skill?

Zman my dude...U were like 64 kills-70 deaths on a epiced Wizard. Even Rubetard was better on a wizard than you. (Thats saying alot in itself) This was also when TL boxes were a thing. You ah...might have a skewed opinion of your time in eq.

Love or hate empire; server was literally at it's peak when they were on it - thats a fact.

Most people, even those that hated empire would trade back to those times compared to where the server is now.

Sorry you cant see this.

[Tassador]

Empire was the funnest post year 1 of server not even close the eras prior to that was stuck on years 2 and 3 of kunark with like 1/3 the pop. And nilly killed everything. Nizzar has 35 pally bp’s in the bank.

[Schaduwridder]

nizzar has nothing in the bank everything was sold or banned

he fooled all the low t losers into working for him

[Zuranthium]

Zman my dude...U were like 64 kills-70 deaths on a epiced Wizard.

I had more kills than anyone in Empire, with far less time played and less gear. Fact.

My k/d ratio was extremely high as well when looking actual deaths, not ones that don't count because of being killed 20 times in a row when afk, or suicide runs to stall people in a particular zone, or protecting shitters in the guild who couldn't PvP and needed time to run away whenever PvP came.

Translocate boxes were not a thing when I played either, you are wrong.

[White_knight]

I had more kills than anyone in Empire, with far less time played and less gear. Fact.

My k/d ratio was extremely high as well when looking actual deaths, not ones that don't count because of being killed 20 times in a row when afk, or suicide runs to stall people in a particular zone, or protecting shitters in the guild who couldn't PvP and needed time to run away whenever PvP came.

Translocate boxes were not a thing when I played either, you are wrong.

I think your brains broken dude, or just trolling.

GL.

[TheBiznessTZ]

I had more kills than anyone in Empire, with far less time played and less gear. Fact.

My k/d ratio was extremely high as well when looking actual deaths, not ones that don't count because of being killed 20 times in a row when afk, or suicide runs to stall people in a particular zone, or protecting shitters in the guild who couldn't PvP and needed time to run away whenever PvP came.

Translocate boxes were not a thing when I played either, you are wrong.

Zuranthanium confirmed baddy dead weight on raids...

[Jazzy]

Pretty sure this guy played the tranny/gay card at some point on blue before red99 was a thing

He used to post essays then too, mostly gibberish and delusional

[Qtip]

I had more kills than anyone in Empire, with far less time played and less gear. Fact.

My k/d ratio was extremely high as well when looking actual deaths, not ones that don't count because of being killed 20 times in a row when afk, or suicide runs to stall people in a particular zone, or protecting shitters in the guild who couldn't PvP and needed time to run away whenever PvP came.

Translocate boxes were not a thing when I played either, you are wrong.

You seem to be the only person who thinks you were great. While playing the easiest pvp class in EQ.

[Ignight]

Toxic Forums

[Videri]

I never interacted with Zuranthium while I played here, but I think he sounds thoughtful and idealistic. I’d prob get along with him. I also get along fine with several players the forum peanut gallery hate. I bet I’d get along with Colgate too. I don’t take his cutting remarks personally.

People shouldn’t believe anything on these forums. Many posters are just trying to preserve their elf-reputation or flame others.

Zuranthium, it’s good to hear things from your perspective. Why didn’t you side with <Friends> or <Tempest> or even the failed experiment that was <Good Guys>? It might have helped balance it. Even though I was never very good at pvp, I always put my weight on the underdog’s side. Seems like the thing to do, to me. More balanced numbers.

[trite]

incorrect, people left quickly because of nonstop unplayable lag due to the retarded strategy of launching kunark blue live with red vanilla at the same time... raped the servers and was a complete laggy shitfest for at least 2months +

read cast's ancient blog about why the lag made him ragequit as he lost so many levels to it while bard kiting at launch "why I was the *real* first level 50"

I was there, this wasn't a thing. I don't remember ever being frustrated with lag the week red launched. I remember getting to level 11 on a paladin and farming a bullsmasher in akanaon and crafting a set of banded with the money i made looting people i killed in crushbone. But every day there were fewer people and within a couple weeks the server was a ghost town.

[White_knight]

Z-man is correct about one thing - he had more pvp kills than about 90% of Empire toons, this is true.

What he is not correct about is:

-His ability in the game

-His perspective that his K/D ratio was good because if you minus off all the PvP deaths that didnt count ( whatever this means???)

-The fact he had less than a 1:1 K/D on the easist PvP class in the game (literally a 3 button class that had a instant escape option when he played)

-He talks about how much Empire was bad but his entire EQ history is him AFKing in the biggest ZERGs when he played

-He never joined any smaller PvP orientated guilds to give any credence to what he says here

In summary

Z-man killed a bunch of TMO stragglers over the span of a few months (if you plot it out he probably killed a player every 2nd or 3rd day), chain died to anyone that was remotely good. Would skip raids to farm PoM squire cards which he would sell to guildes for 4-5k per set -- when he would show up to raids he would afk. He'd literally be standing on gather spots in the ToV 10 minutes after raids had moved to the next spot.

He would go afk in PoM at click out and people would chain kill him to the point someone made an alt using RN to make up the M in his name to call LNS for him. Yes he was this retarded that he'd go afk in high traffic locations next to his bind.

His posts at this point are just trolls.

[Schaduwridder]

who cares

[coolget]

essay after essay of a guy who talked about zerg guilds being the downfall of the community despite participating exclusively in every single one of them and showing up to raids only to spam cast o'keil's radiation on the tank for hours on end - this is not even a joke; he actually did this

am chortling atm

[Nirgon]

Rough go on the dead box FQ for Zman

[Topgunben]

I have been a blue player for over 3 years now, but would like to try Red,

The big reason i havent is not because the community seems toxic, which it does, but because the player base is too small. I dont want to play an PVP MMO by myself.

I think changing red to a teams PVP server would increase the server POP 10 fold. I personally wont try Red until there is 150 people playing on average.

[Tassador]

If i were you I’d play now and ask for a power level. Get epic and 50ish pick up some junk raid items and dip. Then Come back if pop ever rises and try it out. Would also go caster so you know you can twink yourself after. If you going to play on red better think like a red.

[Topgunben]

If i were you I’d play now and ask for a power level. Get epic and 50ish pick up some junk raid items and dip. Then Come back if pop ever rises and try it out. Would also go caster so you know you can twink yourself after. If you going to play on red better think like a red.

not going to put any time into it until i see pop change. dont take that as a snarky comment, just not worth my time if the server is going to wipe or be eternally dead.

[Imago]

Zuranthanium confirmed baddy dead weight on raids...

Pot calling the kettle black?

[Tassador]

not going to put any time into it until i see pop change. dont take that as a snarky comment, just not worth my time if the server is going to wipe or be eternally dead.

I feel you. Not trying to waste your time just trying to give you a little incite on how to build a char super fast. I don’t think it will ever be worth it if playing with people is your thing

[Nirgon]

I have been a blue player for over 3 years now, but would like to try Red,

The big reason i havent is not because the community seems toxic, which it does, but because the player base is too small. I dont want to play an PVP MMO by myself.

I think changing red to a teams PVP server would increase the server POP 10 fold. I personally wont try Red until there is 150 people playing on average.


The fools on this server have to make every raid zone FFA cuz of low level chars.

They do not know the horrors of xteaming.

[TheBiznessTZ]

Pot calling the kettle black?

You throwin shade at the 3rd most beloved ranja in Empire pal? (Obvs joe #1 and puddems #2)

[TheBiznessTZ]

I never interacted with Zuranthium while I played here, but I think he sounds thoughtful and idealistic. I’d prob get along with him. I also get along fine with several players the forum peanut gallery hate. I bet I’d get along with Colgate too. I don’t take his cutting remarks personally.

People shouldn’t believe anything on these forums. Many posters are just trying to preserve their elf-reputation or flame others.

Zuranthium, it’s good to hear things from your perspective. Why didn’t you side with <Friends> or <Tempest> or even the failed experiment that was <Good Guys>? It might have helped balance it. Even though I was never very good at pvp, I always put my weight on the underdog’s side. Seems like the thing to do, to me. More balanced numbers.

It's really funny how people think colgate blows shit out of his ass like he doesn't know what he's talking about... colgate has a very non bias opinion on almost everything and tells it how it is.

[Topgunben]

I feel you. Not trying to waste your time just trying to give you a little incite on how to build a char super fast. I don’t think it will ever be worth it if playing with people is your thing

I do like the idea of being able to resolve in game issues via pvp instead of lawyerquest.

I feel the pull to try it, just need a little more pop.

[Imago]

You throwin shade at the 3rd most beloved ranja in Empire pal? (Obvs joe #1 and puddems #2)

I’m throwing shade on a guy who fucked up a Windstriker turn in that was simply given to him, rather than earned. How many Dojorns did you kill? 5? 10 tops?

Z might not have done much at raids, but you were actually a net negative.

[Schaduwridder]

who cares?

[Zuranthium]

Z-man is correct about one thing - he had more pvp kills than about 90% of Empire toons, this is true.

I am correct about everything I wrote. You don't know what you're talking about, so stop repeating wrong things ad nauseam.

He talks about how much Empire was bad but his entire EQ history is him AFKing in the biggest ZERGs when he played

No that isn't my history. I was very active outside of the heinously overpopulated raids, you mistakenly just seem to think that EQ = PvE zerging with no competition.

Z-man killed a bunch of TMO stragglers over the span of a few months (if you plot it out he probably killed a player every 2nd or 3rd day), chain died to anyone that was remotely good.

Wrong again, I only played for 1 month when I came back for the Velious launch and had kills on Friends people and other various PvPers.

And I didn't chain die to anyone, or die at all, when playing for real (although chain dying - constantly rushing another group for zone control - is a legit PvP strat, something that most of you also fail to understand).

He would go afk in PoM at click out and people would chain kill him. Yes he was this retarded that he'd go afk in high traffic locations next to his bind.

This statement shows that you are retarded. As already talked about, being chain killed while AFK means literally nothing. It has no effect on anything and has nothing to do with player skill. Only people who lack mental capacity think this means anything, because of a yellow text popping up in game and their tiny brains going wild and ascribing meaning to something that means nothing.

[White_knight]

I am correct about everything I wrote. You don't know what you're talking about, so stop repeating wrong things ad nauseam.



No that isn't my history. I was very active outside of the heinously overpopulated raids, you mistakenly just seem to think that EQ = PvE zerging with no competition.



Wrong again, I only played for 1 month when I came back for the Velious launch and had kills on Friends people and other various PvPers.

And I didn't chain die to anyone, or die at all, when playing for real (although chain dying - constantly rushing another group for zone control - is a legit PvP strat, something that most of you also fail to understand).



This statement shows that you are retarded. As already talked about, being chain killed while AFK means literally nothing. It has no effect on anything and has nothing to do with player skill. Only people who lack mental capacity think this means anything, because of a yellow text popping up in game and their tiny brains going wild and ascribing meaning to something that means nothing.

I browsed your post. Think you said yt means nothing then moan about lack of pvp. Your brains in shambles my dude, literally no one else who played on the server thinks anything remotely what you think about yourself.

I do like your troll posts though.

You should thank the player that created Zuranthirn to LNS you those times you were been chain killed at your bind because you were too retarded to log out.

[Tassador]

There is like three people on these boards who’s essays are worth reading. Just going to throw out HB as one of them. Big Z is not one of them. Most of us are boring with not much to say. Let’s keep this shit short.

[TheBiznessTZ]

I’m throwing shade on a guy who fucked up a Windstriker turn in that was simply given to him, rather than earned. How many Dojorns did you kill? 5? 10 tops?

Z might not have done much at raids, but you were actually a net negative.

You dumb? I easily did over 30-50 Dojo's over the 4 months we had them on lock. IIRC i didn't even get the 1st bow that dropped during that period think it went to grissle. I made 98% of all Dojo's ported people up on my wizard and rezzed pull once i learned how to help speed up the process. Had 90%+ RA since i joined the guild and kept that RA for up for over a year. But yeah sure i didn't earn it.

[Eslade]

Can we just answer yes and move to resolved?

[Nirgon]

Woulda been awesome if the people who complained the most weren't one pump chumps and continued to contest after KC.

[Schaduwridder]

LOL ^

[Nirgon]

Seriously tho am I wrong?

When I begrudgingly came back to help Holo with Azrael - they were on the receiving end of a 24+ hour corpse camp in pofear. Where's the elven testicular fortitude?

[AzzarTheGod]

Woulda been awesome if the people who complained the most weren't one pump chumps and continued to contest after KC.

smilin hard. never forget the KC last stand

[Imago]

Not as fun as the VP repel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr5AIiKU3hzCofgf3Bs-K0A

[Schaduwridder]

didn't click video posted at 4am

[Nirgon]

No offense but me either for the same reason.

Then again, do some drugs at 4am and click it. Might work out.

[TheBiznessTZ]

No offense but me either for the same reason.

Then again, do some drugs at 4am and click it. Might work out.

What little does <Good Guys> know that the KC battle was epic and close and they almost won. It really is too bad they didn't stick it out.

[Schaduwridder]

Lifelosers of red99 are not known for perserverance

they are known for giving up and joining the zerg

[Ignight]

Lifelosers of red99 are not known for perserverance

they are known for giving up and joining the zerg

All guilds zero with every player they got online.

[Imago]

What little does <Good Guys> know that the KC battle was epic and close and they almost won. It really is too bad they didn't stick it out.

If the server hadn’t taken a dump when y’all zoned in and desynced half our force, you would have bee squashed.

[coolget]

you think empire didn't desync? our entire raid was lagged out upon zone in and when the lag settled, we had lost 45 people and good guys had lost 0

we then fought 45v120 and still won

good guys was a joke

[Tassador]

you think empire didn't desync? our entire raid was lagged out upon zone in and when the lag settled, we had lost 45 people and good guys had lost 0

we then fought 45v120 and still won

good guys was a joke

I loved when Andis spammed in ooc it’s over empire. Like two days later andia never played again.

[Nirgon]

What little does <Good Guys> know that the KC battle was epic and close and they almost won. It really is too bad they didn't stick it out.

True and they should have kept going.

Server shitting it's pants didn't help.

Live server wouldn't have done much better I don't think

Although the 100v100 we had in Feerott on RZ live didn't get too screwed up. Weta HTed a fungus from the top pvper ever.

[Nirgon]

I loved when Andis spammed in ooc it’s over empire. Like two days later andia never played again.


You should have seen the rolling novels I got logging in.

Can't imagine what pals higher on the hate tier got (Grandmaster etc).

[heartbrand]

I think I rezzed like 20 people in that fight

[Schaduwridder]

I think everyone will agree andis worst player in history of server

( and biggest piece of trash )


Love how that fight brought blue down as well I guess they couldn't lie anymore and say they were separate servers.