Logitech G13 Gameboard with Everquest

[Shucioh]

Hello guys.

Since I discovered Belkin Nostromo Speedpad N52 Ive been using many kinds of gamepads to play all mmorpg games. I just cant play them with classic keyboard anymore.
I started using Nostromo N52 back in... 2006 maybe? with Everquest 2.
It passed aways very fast, (hardcore raiding days) so I bough another one and then an updated Nostromo n52te. That one is still alive and working very well after 8 years of use. But Im trying a new one now.

Wanted a new speedpad, so I had to chose betwen the new Razer models (They own Belkin now) and Logitech G13 as I readed a lot of good things about it.

G13 is a wonderful gaming peripheral to have. Ive been using it in other games for a year now and I can say it was made to last.

Its kinda different to Nostromo's models. More buttons, different ergonomic and 3 modes too.
I used a lot momentarily switching betwen modes in my old Nostromo, so I can swith from moving mode to attack mode and back pretty fast. In fact, 3 modes with Everquest: Moving mode, hotbar access mode and spellcasting mode.

But, its a bit tricky with the G13. You need to use scripts to configure that, at least the way I like to use it.
I like to use qwerty/arrows for the normal actions (Mode 1) and then shift the modes so that qwerty is 1234567890 (Mode 2, hotbars) or Alt+1, Alt+2, Alt+3....... (Mode 3, spellbook). And then to go back to original movement controls when I release. I don't want to have to press a key twice to go to M2 or M3 and back because in practice is slower.

So, I wanted to share this simple script in case anyone use this gamepad too and want give it a try;

function OnEvent(event,arg,family)

family = family or ""

Mstate = GetMKeyState("lhc")

if Mstate == 1 and arg == 23 and event == "G_PRESSED" then -- if G23 is pressed in M1

SetMKeyState(2, "lhc") -- set M to 2 on the lhc (G13)

end

if Mstate == 2 and arg == 23 and event == "G_RELEASED" then -- if G23 is released in M2

SetMKeyState(1, "lhc") -- set M to 1 on the lhc (G13)

end

if Mstate == 1 and arg == 24 and event == "G_PRESSED" then -- if G24 is pressed in M1

SetMKeyState(3, "lhc") -- set M to 3 on the lhc (G13)

end

if Mstate == 3 and arg == 24 and event == "G_RELEASED" then -- if G24 is released in M2

SetMKeyState(1, "lhc") -- set M to 1 on the lhc (G13)

end

end

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See you ingame!

[bodenn]

Hey, that's pretty cool. I didn't even know something like that existed. I pined over spending 19 bucks on a programmable mouse so I think those pads are a bit out of my price range, but that is some cool stuff. ( i am old and all tech stuff is neat to me)

[Shucioh]

G13 is a 9 years old gamepad so sometimes you can find it at a fair price on Ebay or Amazon. I got mine for 70€ Amazon.es, but is kinda hard to find now.

Razer new models are The Targarus Classic (the new Nostromo) 80$, Targarus V2 90$ and OrbWeaver Chroma 150$.

There are cheaper ones too;
-Magical Led Computer Gaming Keyboard - Globalama GK0001 - 30$
-XFUNY Wired Gaming Keyboard 46-Key Professional Single handed Gaming Keyboard - 28$
-RGB LED Backlit SADES Portable Mini Gaming Keypad - 23$

Im sure they are fun to use.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gaming+keypad&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Agaming+keypad

As a gaming mouse I have a 12 Programmable Thumb Buttons old Razer Naga. Not very durable ^^ Its my second one since I got them cheap.

[bodenn]

Oh, that's better than the 280 I got on my first search.

[Menden]

Something to keep in mind. 3rd party programs or hardware that creates multiple inputs is strictly forbidden on p99. Be careful how you use such tools.

[Knuckle]

Get em coach! If it isn’t a keyboard and two button mouse shit ain’t classic. I’ve started working on code that can detect non crt display output to prevent modern lcd and refresh rate from being usable in game, thoughts?

[Shucioh]

Should I use a CRT 17 inch monitor to play too? 😂 And there is no danger, I don even use Macros in EQ 😋 Its just hardware. Oh, I think my new fancy gaming chair allows me to play more hours. Cheat!

[Baler]

Should I use a CRT 17 inch monitor to play too? �� And there is no danger, I don even use Macros in EQ �� Its just hardware. Oh, I think my new fancy gaming chair allows me to play more hours. Cheat!
Jun 2018 & use of emojis
https://i.imgur.com/sSOE9ZA.gif

[Shucioh]

Old man's habits.

Ok, I got my room back to 2002. It wasnt easy.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r15/Shucioh/Febrero2003_zpsc09149ac.jpg

[Shucioh]

haven't heard the term Belkin Nostromo Speedpad N52 in over 15 years, I had to google it to see what it was now I remember how cool these are.

So nice to see how many updates and how many cool versions of these are available im buying one today !

Thank you ! : )

You Gonna love them! Some of the new Razer looks amazing. Im so tempted about buying Razer Tartarus Chroma Expert. It looks just like the old N52. But I already have a space problem in my desk as you can see in the pic in the first post ^^

[loramin]

Should I use a CRT 17 inch monitor to play too? 😂 And there is no danger, I don even use Macros in EQ 😋 Its just hardware. Oh, I think my new fancy gaming chair allows me to play more hours. Cheat!

It has nothing to do with whether its software-based or hardware-based, and everything to do with having an unfair advantage over other players.

The rules against macros (including keyboard/mouse/gamepad programs) are there for a reason: if they weren't, people would use them to beat other people to a mob, or to trivialize learning tradeskills, or do other things that ordinary players with ordinary mice/keyboards/gamepads can't.

If you want to play on EverQuest server that doesn't keep things fair for everyone, go somewhere else. If you want to play here, play by the rules, and that means not using any mechanism to do things other players can't do.

[ScaringChildren]

How do you type with one of those things?

Never understood that.

[MarcusSA]

The G13 is really great and I'm sad they stopped making it.

Really the only thing I use it for are the thumb stick for movement and the like 6 buttons on the pad for jump, inventory and a few other things.

Using the G13 with an MMO mouse make it so much easier on the wrists lol.

[Shucioh]

It has nothing to do with whether its software-based or hardware-based, and everything to do with having an unfair advantage over other players.

The rules against macros (including keyboard/mouse/gamepad programs) are there for a reason: if they weren't, people would use them to beat other people to a mob, or to trivialize learning tradeskills, or do other things that ordinary players with ordinary mice/keyboards/gamepads can't.

If you want to play on EverQuest server that doesn't keep things fair for everyone, go somewhere else. If you want to play here, play by the rules, and that means not using any mechanism to do things other players can't do.

I readed server rules, more than once Loramin. There is no reference to the hardware we can use. Not even about the macros, and I already said I dont use them. So dont assume I use them to afk leveling skills or something like that because I dont and I dare you to prove otherwise. So dont tell me Im not playing by the rules, because thats a lie.
So dont act childish and if you have a problem with this matter, repport me to any admin. Ill gladly talk with anyone about this issue if they think I should not use some specific hardware brands or models.
You should keep in mind that almost every actual gaming keyboard have macro functions, and that doesnt mean we are using macros in Project 1999. I may be a newbie here, but I play online games since 90's. Ive been always respectfull to server rules in online games.

So, Thanks but Im not going "somewhere else" just because you dont know what are you talking about.
If adminds / owners of P1999 think that way, they are the only ones with autority to tell me that.

/cheers

How do you type with one of those things?

Never understood that.

You dont ;) You may use a classic keyboard to type. The gamepad is mostly for movements and easy access to spellbok and hotbars. All with your hand resting on it. Its very comfortable when playing for hours.

[Baler]

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r15/Shucioh/Febrero2003_zpsc09149ac.jpg

Posting images:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225633

Rules/Getting Started:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159515


There's a start. But drop the emojis.
https://i.imgur.com/A8MJdLb.gif

ps. Loramin is a good guy his advise is wise and fair.

[Shucioh]

4.3. You may not use third-party programs on Project 1999.

The use of any third-party programs on Project 1999, including but not limited to, Macroquest/Macroquest2(MQ/MQ2), ShowEQ(SEQ), or any other program that interacts with the Everquest Titanium Client, is strictly prohibited. Use of any third-party programs will be detected and will result in the permanent banning of your account(s). No exceptions will be made, and once a ban has been enacted for violation of this rule it will not be reversed.

Wineq2 by Lavishsoft is the exception to this rule.

No macros, so its just a fancy gaming keyboard. Cant see anything banning their use in the server rules.

Thanks about IMGUR info, I was wondering how to. I was using photobucket. Told you Im an old man with old habits.

The popular "gamepad"
https://i.imgur.com/8hKSUkD.jpg

My lack of desk space
https://i.imgur.com/UKqyby0.jpg

But drop the emojis.

I'll try @>--;--

[loramin]

I readed server rules, more than once Loramin. There is no reference to the hardware we can use. Not even about the macros, and I already said I dont use them. So dont assume I use them to afk leveling skills or something like that because I dont and I dare you to prove otherwise. So dont tell me Im not playing by the rules, because thats a lie.
So dont act childish and if you have a problem with this matter, repport me to any admin. Ill gladly talk with anyone about this issue if they think I should not use some specific hardware brands or models.
You should keep in mind that almost every actual gaming keyboard have macro functions, and that doesnt mean we are using macros in Project 1999. I may be a newbie here, but I play online games since 90's. Ive been always respectfull to server rules in online games.

So, Thanks but Im not going "somewhere else" just because you dont know what are you talking about.
If adminds / owners of P1999 think that way, they are the only ones with autority to tell me that.

/cheers


The "adminds" / owners of P1999 do think that way, and they have told you (with authority):

4.3. You may not use third-party programs on Project 1999.

The use of any third-party programs on Project 1999, including but not limited to, Macroquest/Macroquest2(MQ/MQ2), ShowEQ(SEQ), or any other program that interacts with the Everquest Titanium Client, is strictly prohibited. Use of any third-party programs will be detected and will result in the permanent banning of your account(s). No exceptions will be made, and once a ban has been enacted for violation of this rule it will not be reversed.

Wineq2 by Lavishsoft is the exception to this rule.

3. You may not use third-party programs on Project 1999.

The use of any third-party programs on Project 1999, including but not limited to, Macroquest/Macroquest2(MQ/MQ2), ShowEQ(SEQ), or any other program that interacts with the Everquest Titanium Client, is strictly prohibited. Use of any third-party programs will be detected and will result in the permanent banning of your account(s). No exceptions will be made, and once a ban has been enacted for violation of this rule it will not be reversed.

This is not limited to programmable keyboards or other input devices that creates multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task.

Wineq2 by Lavishsoft is the exception to this rule.

The second one has an added sentence that's particularly relevant for you (which I bolded).

And if you're still not convinced, here's Rogean (the head honcho) way back in 2012 saying the same basic thing:

Programs that parse the log file are fine, as long as they do not do any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on your character in place of manual control.

The simple point is that cheating is cheating no matter how you do it. But I wasn't pointing that out to get you to leave the server ... well, unless you're the kind of person who really can't enjoy a game without cheating, in which case GTFO.

But if you're here to play classic EQ, fairly, along with 1k+ other players who also play fairly, welcome! Just don't use your programmable keyboard to do things people without such keyboards can't do and you're golden.

ps. Loramin is a good guy his advise is wise and fair.
<3

[Shucioh]

ps. Loramin is a good guy his advise is wise and fair.

Im sure he is. Its just it sounded like I was cheating, and I didnt like it. /peace&love

[loramin]

Im sure he is. Its just it sounded like I was cheating, and I didnt like it. /peace&love

You were cheating (as I outlined above), but I was not in any way trying to call you a cheat, or imply in any way that you were cheating on purpose. My apologies if I came across that way.

Many people (myself included) have cheated inadvertently here and in other games. Not knowing about a rule doesn't in any way make you a bad person: the bad ones are the ones that learn that what they were doing was against the rules, and yet keep doing it anyway.

[Shucioh]

So much trouble for a real simple matter.

This is not limited to programmable keyboards or other input devices that creates multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task.

Those 2 implies macros, and I said several times I dont use them.

If you want to play on EverQuest server that doesn't keep things fair for everyone, go somewhere else. If you want to play here, play by the rules, and that means not using any mechanism to do things other players can't do

You assumed since your first post than Im using macros. And ofcourse that pisses me off.
Without proofs and without knowing me you are calling me cheater. Nice way to welcome a new member to the comunity.
"...multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task..." Please any admind tell me if Im wrong, but what I understand from that sentence is that kind of use of the hardware is not allowed, and not like you suggested the hardware is not allowed itself. ¿See that Corsair Keyboard? Fully programmable too. That Razer Naga Mouse? Fully programmable too. ANY keyboard and any mouse is fully macro programmable with 3rd party software.
So, again, I still unsderstand what is said in the rules is that the automatized use of the keyboard or any hardware thanks to its own software or 3rd party software is not allowed. Not that the hardware itself is forbidden.

The second one has an added sentence that's particularly relevant for you (which I bolded).

The simple point is that cheating is cheating no matter how you do it.

You have a problem understanding what are you reading, Loramin. And seems you are really in a hurry to call me cheater. Do you really think they are bannig the use of any Cossair Keyboard, logitech, Razer, MSI and a long list of keyboards and almost all new gaming laptops that are fully key programmable too?

You were cheating (as I outlined above), but I was not in any way trying to call you a cheat, or imply in any way that you were cheating on purpose. My apologies if I came across that way.

Youre wrong. I wasnt and Im not cheating. For 7th time, Ive never used "any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on any character in place of manual control".

See, I dont think youre a bad guy trying to troll me or anything like that. I think you just dont understand what are you talking about.

I understand this from the rules. This simple;

1-Automatic control and response, client modification and the use of macros are forbidden.
2-No specific hardware is forbidden, but its not allowed to use any hardware as describe in point 1.

For me is prett simple, but again, if any Admin/owner think Im wrong, please let me know.

I play fairly, and thats why I choose p1999 to play. I like it the hard old way and that doesnt imply I have to play with a certain keyboard, mouse... whatever.

unless you're the kind of person who really can't enjoy a game without cheating, in which case GTFO.

Not the best manners, Loramin.

3 days playing and Im still a lvl 4 newbie Iksar necro, Shucioh, just happy to enjoy rediscovering an old loved game. ¿Good enough?

[loramin]

Dude, your very first post in this thread had code for a script!

I'm done trying to be polite and welcoming. The very fact that you took offense at me saying "unless you're the kind of person who really can't enjoy a game without cheating, in which case GTFO" suggests that you are the kind of person who doesn't like playing by rules. Anyone who likes playing fairly would 100% agree with my sentiment that cheaters should GTFO (although again, I was not calling you a cheater).

All I can say is that karma is a bitch, and IF you don't play by the rules it will come back to bite you eventually. But personally I'm done trying to sway you, so you'll just have to learn that on your own.

[Bainers]

Loramin it's clear you've never used a gamepad or advanced multi button mouse, or keyboard that can also do the same things.

I used my N50 back in the DAOC days and I did "cheat" by making a macro to create crafting equipment instead of sitting and watching it all day. You'd know why I did it if you ever crafted high level stuff in that game ha!

I used one in WoW (it was the N52 version) for obvious reasons (it's more comfortable/easier to deal with the huge number of abilities to use).

I don't use it in EQ because it's a slower game and i can click things on my keyboard/mouse just as easily.

In conclusion. that guy is not cheating. If a Dev comes on and tells him not to, I'm sure he'd be fine with stopping, but I wouldn't agree.

[Shucioh]

Dude, your very first post in this thread a code for a script!



A script to strictly move 2 functions keys to another 2 keys in the gamepad. All internal, nothing to do with Everquest.


suggests that you are the kind of person who doesn't like playing by rules, because no one else could possibly be offended by a sentence fragment that begins with "unless you ... can't enjoy a game without cheating"

Maybe you dont realize it, but just suggesting it that way, covering it with semantics, you're suggesting that I cheat just because I use a certain keyboard.

All I can say is that karma is a bitch, and IF you don't play by the rules it will come back to bite you eventually. But personally I'm done trying to sway you, so you'll just have to learn it on your own.

And again, not calling me cheater one time, but twice just in your last post.
Thanks but I dont need your advice either your help, Loramir.
I agree. Im done too with this unfruitful conversation.

I keep playing in my Logitech Keyboard. No macros, never used them.
Im open to hear what GMs have to say about this matter. If the use of certain brans and models of hardware is forbidden, or if what Falamir is affirming is a fallacy.

[d3r14k]

https://i.imgur.com/UKqyby0.jpg

Are you an octopus?

[Bainers]

My Corsair mouse can do the same stuff as a gamepad really. I just like it for the feel and extra buttons (that I do assign keys to, no macros). Should I be called a cheater too Loramin?

[loramin]

Loramin it's clear you've never used a gamepad or advanced multi button mouse, or keyboard that can also do the same things.

I have a steam controller; does that count? Also I'm a programmer by trade, so I understand the whole concept quite well.

I used my N50 back in the DAOC days and I did "cheat" by making a macro to create crafting equipment instead of sitting and watching it all day. You'd know why I did it if you ever crafted high level stuff in that game ha!

As a fellow tradeskiller (and not just a Shawl one) both here and on live I absolutely know why. And again, I'm a programmer, so I have massive RSI issues even when I'm not playing EverQuest. When I'm both playing EQ and tradeskilling in it my wrists just get destroyed (I usually need to wear wrist braces).

In conclusion. that guy is not cheating. If a Dev comes on and tells him not to, I'm sure he'd be fine with stopping, but I wouldn't agree.

I think the jury is still out on that ;) But we agree that ultimately it will come down to him making his choice, and here in the forum we have no way of knowing which choice he makes. If he chooses to cheat he will get caught, eventually, because of karma and the staff.

And if OP is genuinely interested only in the non-programmable aspects of his keyboard, then great, the server has one new (rule-following) player and I can live with the fact that he thinks I'm an asshole. But if I were a betting man, this thread would not convince me to bet on that outcome.

My Corsair mouse can do the same stuff as a gamepad really. I just like it for the feel and extra buttons (that I do assign keys to, no macros). Should I be called a cheater too Loramin?

I literally quoted the rules in a previous post, and they make it very clear that stuff like assigning a key to a mouse button is ok, because it's not letting you do anything special. You can't use it to tradeskill easier, you can't use it to "autofire" and have an unfair advantage on FTE, and just in general it doesn't automate anything. In other words, you can't cheat with it, and thus you aren't a cheater.

[Shucioh]

In conclusion. that guy is not cheating. If a Dev comes on and tells him not to, I'm sure he'd be fine with stopping, but I wouldn't agree.

Thanks Bainers.
You're right. If a DEV tell me I cant use this or any other keyboard/mouse in any way, I'll just stop doing it.
Your house, your rules. I would think its silly, but I will abide by the server rules gratefully for the efford they all do running this server and keeping it alive.

Oh man, so much writing today. Im gonna play and enjoy.

See you in game!

[Bainers]

I literally quoted the rules in a previous post, and they make it very clear that stuff like assigning a key to a mouse button is ok, because it's not letting you do anything special. You can't use it to tradeskill easier, you can't use it to "autofire" and have an unfair advantage on FTE, and just in general it doesn't automate anything. In other words, you can't cheat with it, and thus you aren't a cheater.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, but I do believe it does have advanced settings on it (my corsair mouse) to add delays, etc or a macro. I'm still new to the mouse and don't really care to get into that stuff anymore.

I think he was just a bit annoyed that you immediately called him a cheater. I wouldn't like that either unless it's someone in charge of the game. That's all, doubtful he hates ya! He was just trying to give friendly information is all from what I gathered.

P.S. new to posting so I don't think my quote of yours worked ha!

[Shucioh]

https://i.imgur.com/UKqyby0.jpg

Are you an octopus?

Would be great! But nah. Im just passionate with simulation games and guitar with no much room space.
Mostly been playing Elite Dangerous last months, but I play iRacing, Assetto Corsa... with a Virtual Reality Headset. I still miss mmorpg a lot, so I came to P1999.

https://i.imgur.com/GX4gUiH.jpg

Anyone tried Skyrim VR?

https://i.imgur.com/wABLrL9.jpg

[loramin]

P.S. new to posting so I don't think my quote of yours worked ha!

It's easy to fix, just quote me again, copy the quote code (make sure to get the [ QUOTE = ] part at both ends), then edit your post and replace the broken quote with the correct/pasted quote code.

[Shucioh]

doubtful he hates ya!

I luve everyone, even the guy who told me not to use emojis ^^

[Bainers]

I literally quoted the rules in a previous post, and they make it very clear that stuff like assigning a key to a mouse button is ok, because it's not letting you do anything special. You can't use it to tradeskill easier, you can't use it to "autofire" and have an unfair advantage on FTE, and just in general it doesn't automate anything. In other words, you can't cheat with it, and thus you aren't a cheater.

Hey it worked! Thank you Loramin.

The edit button wasn't on my previous message anymore so I made a new one since I couldn't copy/paste on it with an edit unless I'm missing something.

[loramin]

The edit button wasn't on my previous message anymore so I made a new one since I couldn't copy/paste on it with an edit unless I'm missing something.

You can only edit your posts for a short window (an hour or something like that) after you first make the post. You probably just came back after that window had passed.