Best *purchasable* weapon(s) for an epic'd Monk?

[McGarnicle]

Question. For a 50+ (theoretically) Iksar Monk with epic.

What are the best Primary and Secondary weapons that are able to be purchased?
Should Main hand remain empty?

I used to be under the impression that secondary delay was whatever the primary delay is, but I'm finding now that this is an incorrect belief.

So with that said, what weapon(s) should I ultimately aim to have on my non-raiding Monk if money is not really an issue?

[evilkorn]

If you are talking dropable ada club or sos is really all you need, or looting the no drop scepter in kael if you are able to camp that yourself. Tstaff is nice for soloing if you have plat to burn. That is outside of buying raid loot.

[McGarnicle]

So Main-hand fist, and SoS Off-hand?

[feniin]

I honestly prefer Addy Club for soloing (dd+stun)/grouping if I need to keep agro. Only use SoS on raids.

[jpetrick]

Question. For a 50+ (theoretically) Iksar Monk with epic.

What are the best Primary and Secondary weapons that are able to be purchased?
Should Main hand remain empty?

I used to be under the impression that secondary delay was whatever the primary delay is, but I'm finding now that this is an incorrect belief.

So with that said, what weapon(s) should I ultimately aim to have on my non-raiding Monk if money is not really an issue?

Weapon swapping with a runed figher staff or tranquil staff if not raiding and money isn't an issue.

Your epic will turn your primary/secondary into 9/16 when you have no weapons equipped.

[wagorf]

everywhere i see people say epic first + 1hb dual wield outdps 2hb (such as tstaff), and tstaff is only good for solo/tank because of riposte and aggro proc

my question is, if epic dual wield outdps tstaff why would i use tstaff to solo? i know i take less damage with 2hb but i also deal much less dmg, throwing in the random chance of riposte happening (is it even frequent enough to make up for the dps difference?) - seem like epic dual wield soloing is probably more efficient?

so does tstaff come down to aggro element only? it is only good when you need to tank in a group?

[MagpieRockyl]

Unequip and re equip your tstaff every couple of seconds to let your offhand swing. Get RSI a bard would be proud of.

[Bummey]

my question is, if epic dual wield outdps tstaff why would i use tstaff to solo?

The general idea is that the stun on tranquil staff can reduce the number of incoming hits. But if you do more inconsistent damage with two handed weapons larger damage range and whiffy wonkiness, the health saved from stuns can be offset by increased fight length.

I've been unimpressed with tranquil staff, both on several 60 monks and my 52.

I haven't cared enough to do too many parses with epic/SoS vs Tstaff, only about a dozen or so of each and they were both really streaky and impossible to draw any conclusions.

[wagorf]

So parse it?

so stfu or leave constructive comments?

[wagorf]

The general idea is that the stun on tranquil staff can reduce the number of incoming hits. But if you do more inconsistent damage with two handed weapons larger damage range and whiffy wonkiness, the health saved from stuns can be offset by increased fight length.

I've been unimpressed with tranquil staff, both on several 60 monks and my 52.

I haven't cared enough to do too many parses with epic/SoS vs Tstaff, only about a dozen or so of each and they were both really streaky and impossible to draw any conclusions.

agree - the point is that there is randomness (also low frequency) of tstaff proc and 2hb riposte, and it may not justify tstaff as the go-to weapon when soloing

[Troxx]

Until the next patch tstaff without offhan unequip trick is a bit better than epic/epic and a bit worse than epic/SoS sustained over time. The proc can stun for up to 2 full tick though which is a boon for you when soloing and for the tank when grouping. If you tank for your group ever it also makes aggro a whole lot easier and fewer ripostes.

If you unequip to get offhand hits, it's better dps.

After next patch, Tstaff will beat epic/SoS. Tstaff will generate more damage bonus than epic mainhand. Dmg bonus will be well more than double 1hander dmg bonus and at 30 delay it will be applied at just under half the speed. Factor in triple attack at 60 and it'll be no contest.

To answer your question ... Best buyable raw dps without the hassle of offhand trick is epic/sos. Tstaff has very similar performance with the proc utility. After chardok patch its Tstaff all the way.

[Respecter]

I thought triple attack was already implemented?

[getsome]

so stfu or leave constructive comments?

so sit on your ass and be bad cause you do not want to discover what works first hand.

[Troxx]

I thought triple attack was already implemented?

Warriors get it at 60 innate.

My understanding is that monk 60 triple attack goes in with chardok patch along with new dmg tables for monks at 55 and then again at 60 and the revamp to dmg bonuses on 2handers.

[jpetrick]

everywhere i see people say epic first + 1hb dual wield outdps 2hb (such as tstaff), and tstaff is only good for solo/tank because of riposte and aggro proc

my question is, if epic dual wield outdps tstaff why would i use tstaff to solo? i know i take less damage with 2hb but i also deal much less dmg, throwing in the random chance of riposte happening (is it even frequent enough to make up for the dps difference?) - seem like epic dual wield soloing is probably more efficient?

so does tstaff come down to aggro element only? it is only good when you need to tank in a group?

Those people don’t know how to weaponswap properly or are just ignorant. Follow the advice of my first post.
You will do more damage weaponswapping a runed fighter staff or tranquil staff at 60 than you will with epic & a staff of shielding.
This gap will widen farther when damage bonuses on 2 handed weapons increase and triple attack is added.

[Bummey]

agree - the point is that there is randomness (also low frequency) of tstaff proc and 2hb riposte, and it may not justify tstaff as the go-to weapon when soloing

Oh, yeah, I've gone multiple fights without a proc, then I'll get 4 on the next mob. Even if Tstaff may technically be better, I feel like more consistency is better. Two handers are too streaky for me. I don't like relying on procs or slower but heavier hits.

We'll see what changes when/if chardok 2.0 comes out, I suppose.

[feniin]

Those people don’t know how to weaponswap properly or are just ignorant. Follow the advice of my first post.
You will do more damage weaponswapping a runed fighter staff or tranquil staff at 60 than you will with epic & a staff of shielding.
This gap will widen farther when damage bonuses on 2 handed weapons increase and triple attack is added.

Is there a weaponswapping guide out there you'd recommend?

[Troxx]

Oh, yeah, I've gone multiple fights without a proc, then I'll get 4 on the next mob. Even if Tstaff may technically be better, I feel like more consistency is better. Two handers are too streaky for me. I don't like relying on procs or slower but heavier hits.

We'll see what changes when/if chardok 2.0 comes out, I suppose.

^

Fails at math

[Bummey]

^

Fails at math


Dropped out, not failed.

And, I mean, I said earlier that I had no reliable hard data. Right now I can only go by what feels best to me and how long it takes to heal between fights.

[Legidias]

SoD

[jijii]

when soloing or tanking as a monk, the dw vs 2h debate is less about dps and more about how much dmg you take. you simply take less dmg using a slower 2h. that's why it's better in those two scenarios.

now if we're talking a dw'ing ntov tier monk, then we're probably talking an accordingly geared ntov monk otherwise as well, and sure whatever content you happen to be tanking as that monk you'll be fine because you'll have a buttload of hp/ac and the monk avoidance.

but between epic/som|sos|ada vs t-staff, the t-staff is just better when soloing or tanking. if the patches go live like has been discussed, it won't need that qualification, either.

[kjs86z]

Is there a weaponswapping guide out there you'd recommend?

Put your IFS / T Staff on your bar.

When your 2 hand swing registers, click / press your weapon to unequipped, let your fists swing, then click / press again and equip 2 hander before swing timer.

60% of the time, it works every time.

[ScaringChildren]

Excellent info here, thanks guys