Religion has a role, even for non believers

[Goodboy]

Over the past 50 years people have stopped going to church and adhering to religious sects. Many of these people who stopped going to church, still believe in God. They say, "I don't need a church to worship God." Or "Church is full of people that will try to make me celibate"

I'm not making the argument that all churches are equal. Nor am I saying that you can't worship God without a church.

What I am saying is that a lot of things that have been taught in churches for the past thousand years have tremendous value. Typically church go-ers hear the errors of their ways more frequently than if they hadn't gone. A good example of this is the denunciation of viewing pornography. In a nutshell; porn gets you less sex and lackluster sex. Porn has been denounced by church leaders for thousand of years but it hasn't been until recently that psycologists have found a negative link between porn and sexual wellness. All the while liberal society has been telling young boys to vedge out on porn like it's a healthy source of recreation.

On the other hand, where I think a lot of young men get turned off by religion (among other things) is over zealous preaching of sex. I.E Jesus says "don't look on another woman to lust after her," and someone wrongfully takes that to "sex is bad and boners are bad and good looking women are bad and having a lot of sex with your wife is bad or having sex without the thought of having kids is bad" etc etc.

But in today's world, many young men aren't hearing both sides of morality at home, definitely not hearing it at school, and unfortunately not hearing it at church because they don't go. Traditionally churches have taught morals and it's been up to the hearer to follow or not.

I have more thoughts on all this but will continue tomorrow. Would like to see what some of you think about this.

[Wonkie]

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[Swish2]

I went to a semi-religious primary school in the UK. By that I mean we'd have a morning assembly, sing hymns from a book (we hated it) and generally had one teacher or another talk about life stuff, recount a story laced with positivity and how to look at a situation etc. Look up to your elders, be nice to your peers, treat others as you'd like to be treated.

That will probably sound familiar to some people here...and generally speaking I don't have any problem with it.

What is a problem is religions facing off against each other. War in the name of one god or another, treating those of another religion as "lesser" than your own, the usual human trash element coming through in a religious way.

The most vocal religion since 9/11 has to be Islam, for all the problems it causes. The "religion of peace" hasn't really done anything positive in the west but try to work it's way into the fabric of societies, denounce anyone who argues against it and promotes backward values of gender separation, sharia law and a strong bias towards its own teachings and a closed mind to anything outside of it.

Right now in the UK we have a real fracture in society along religious lines. I'd call it muslims self separating. The growth of muslim schools, one particular recently was found to have $600,000 cash and weapons in (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/islamic-school-head-forced-out-after-weapons-and-400000-cash-found-at-flat-in-grounds-a3869781.html).

Religion today (at least in the UK) is a tool of division, not overall cohesion or coming together of the local community. Some shady shit goes on inside those buildings, and I'm not just talking about mosques...we've all seen in the news what priests get up to with kids.

I think you can bring kids up with positive values and leave religion out of it. They'll be more open minded, which isn't bad... or is it?

[Patriam1066]

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Nice finally an Italian post again

[Goodboy]

I went to a semi-religious primary school in the UK. By that I mean we'd have a morning assembly, sing hymns from a book (we hated it) and generally had one teacher or another talk about life stuff, recount a story laced with positivity and how to look at a situation etc. Look up to your elders, be nice to your peers, treat others as you'd like to be treated.

That will probably sound familiar to some people here...and generally speaking I don't have any problem with it.

What is a problem is religions facing off against each other. War in the name of one god or another, treating those of another religion as "lesser" than your own, the usual human trash element coming through in a religious way.

The most vocal religion since 9/11 has to be Islam, for all the problems it causes. The "religion of peace" hasn't really done anything positive in the west but try to work it's way into the fabric of societies, denounce anyone who argues against it and promotes backward values of gender separation, sharia law and a strong bias towards its own teachings and a closed mind to anything outside of it.

Right now in the UK we have a real fracture in society along religious lines. I'd call it muslims self separating. The growth of muslim schools, one particular recently was found to have $600,000 cash and weapons in (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/islamic-school-head-forced-out-after-weapons-and-400000-cash-found-at-flat-in-grounds-a3869781.html).

Religion today (at least in the UK) is a tool of division, not overall cohesion or coming together of the local community. Some shady shit goes on inside those buildings, and I'm not just talking about mosques...we've all seen in the news what priests get up to with kids.

I think you can bring kids up with positive values and leave religion out of it. They'll be more open minded, which isn't bad... or is it?

I also grew up religous though my dad was Agnostic and still is today. Growing up i barely tolerated going to church, and only went in my teens because it was place to meet girls. In my older years ive seen the benefit it had on me. Granted not everyones experience is as good as mine.

I actually agree with most of what you are saying. The problem with Islam might have more to do with the middle easterner mentality, mingled with Islam. For example, Indonesia is a predominately muslim country, yet there arent nearly as many issues of violence and terrorism out of Indonesia as there are in Syria, Iran or Palestine. But i am not making excuses for Islam either, as its roots are plastered in blood and conquest. Today muslims are conquering europe not by the sword, but by a failing EU immigration policy.

I dont think it takes a village to raise a child. I think parents will have the most influence on their children and that is the way it ought to be. But judeo christian religions have taught precepts over the millenia, basic principles of order, sacrifice and temperance. The reason western society lives in the first world is because of Christianity. Not giving credit where credit is due is ignorant.

[Patriam1066]

Iran has no terrorism

turn off foxnews

[maskedmelonpai]

religion is the lisp of ideolofy. It existed before most others, gave rise to the rest and is proselytized to little effect on many people who just use something else, something better.

[Patriam1066]

Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, and Hinduism all have merits

Other religions are dog shit. Honorable mention to my people the Baha’is

[maskedmelonpai]

Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, and Hinduism all have merits

Other religions are dog shit. Honorable mention to my people the Baha’is

what about Way of the Future? that one is at least benign, rignt?

[Wonkie]

american marijuana abusers skew very heavily towards raelianism. but they're too high to care

[Mead]

Over the past 50 years people have stopped going to church and adhering to religious sects. Many of these people who stopped going to church, still believe in God. They say, "I don't need a church to worship God." Or "Church is full of people that will try to make me celibate"

I'm not making the argument that all churches are equal. Nor am I saying that you can't worship God without a church.

What I am saying is that a lot of things that have been taught in churches for the past thousand years have tremendous value. Typically church go-ers hear the errors of their ways more frequently than if they hadn't gone. A good example of this is the denunciation of viewing pornography. In a nutshell; porn gets you less sex and lackluster sex. Porn has been denounced by church leaders for thousand of years but it hasn't been until recently that psycologists have found a negative link between porn and sexual wellness. All the while liberal society has been telling young boys to vedge out on porn like it's a healthy source of recreation.

On the other hand, where I think a lot of young men get turned off by religion (among other things) is over zealous preaching of sex. I.E Jesus says "don't look on another woman to lust after her," and someone wrongfully takes that to "sex is bad and boners are bad and good looking women are bad and having a lot of sex with your wife is bad or having sex without the thought of having kids is bad" etc etc.

But in today's world, many young men aren't hearing both sides of morality at home, definitely not hearing it at school, and unfortunately not hearing it at church because they don't go. Traditionally churches have taught morals and it's been up to the hearer to follow or not.

I have more thoughts on all this but will continue tomorrow. Would like to see what some of you think about this.

Where is the scientific evidence for your claim of a negative link between porn and sexual wellness? I will eagerly await your response so that I can educate myself on the matter.

[LulzSect©]

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[MagpieRockyl]

Problem here OP us that you are picking and choosing pieces of dogma as good and bad to make your point. Pornography and immoral sex both stem from lust and is therein condemned because of the obvious sin.

It would be like saying "communism was bad except for the dogma about stealing from the rich". Nah dude, it was all intersectional , as was sexual immorality in Christianity and friends.

For the record I masturbate to Sasha grey and friends at 3:44 every day on the dot

Addendum: Forgot to add that I also fuck S.G. IRL daily in order to maintain my sexuality on both fronts.

[skarlorn]

Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, and Hinduism all have merits

Other religions are dog shit. Honorable mention to my people the Baha’is

*nods*

Dont forget Daoism.

Nor the worth of how Islam teaches you to put your women in trash bags to make you gay

[zodium]

Bristlebaneism is the wisdom. The path of transcendence is achieved through Mischief, friends. :o

[branamil]

religion is just a tool that primitive tribes used to control their members hope this helps

[fortior]

Where is the scientific evidence for your claim of a negative link between porn and sexual wellness? I will eagerly await your response so that I can educate myself on the matter.

When trying to improve our sexual wellness, we should listen to religious leaders, for they know best

[Foxplay]

Catholic / Christian Canon that Jesus died for our sins including future ones

So if you don't sin he died for nothing

So buy a family size bottle of lotion and get to fappin to some weird fetishes ppl

[bodenn]

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[Mead]

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[Sinistria]

In religions it is not allowed to have sex all the time or do other things you probably like.
People shall await the paradise, thats why we have to suffer on earth.

Is everything allowed in heaven?
I mean grab angels wings and fuck them through the clouds?
Drink and smoke pot and pee from the clouds?
Lay in a fluffy cloud bed all the day? (and do that angel-wing-grab-thing again)

I was always wondering about this.
How could actions be allowed in heaven when performing those action will send you direct to hell?

Pretty much sure is: FSM is the only humanly religion

[maskedmelonpai]

In religions it is not allowed to have sex all the time or do other things you probably like.
People shall await the paradise, thats why we have to suffer on earth.

Is everything allowed in heaven?
I mean grab angels wings and fuck them through the clouds?
Drink and smoke pot and pee from the clouds?
Lay in a fluffy cloud bed all the day? (and do that angel-wing-grab-thing again)

I was always wondering about this.
How could actions be allowed in heaven when performing those action will send you direct to hell?

Pretty much sure is: FSM is the only humanly religion

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[radda]

I’d like to see anyone figure this out.
I’m good right where I am

[Domo]

I dont mind religions, but I hate fucking scumbags who trying to convert me of their belive.

I still hope that religions will die sooner or later.

[MagpieRockyl]

I dont mind religions, but I hate fucking scumbags who trying to convert me of their belive.

You have it completely within your power to stop fucking them. Consider Jesus

[Cecily]

I accept that I am powerless over my fucking scumbags addiction.

[Wonkie]

You're not as sharp as you think you are.

how sharp do i think i am?

[radda]

how sharp do i think i am?

You are a butter knife

[Wonkie]

You are a butter knife

not what i asked but I'd never visit england anyway. inbred island and bad at soccer.

[fstyle3454]

Nor the worth of how Islam teaches you to put your women in trash bags to make you gay

[Goobles]

What I am saying is that a lot of things that have been taught in churches for the past thousand years have tremendous value. Typically church go-ers hear the errors of their ways more frequently than if they hadn't gone. A good example of this is the denunciation of viewing pornography. In a nutshell; porn gets you less sex and lackluster sex.[ Porn has been denounced by church leaders for thousand of years but it hasn't been until recently that psycologists have found a negative link between porn and sexual wellness. All the while liberal society has been telling young boys to vedge out on porn like it's a healthy source of recreation.

Forgot that RedTube was around way back when

[Domo]

You have it completely within your power to stop fucking them. Consider Jesus

No thanks mate.

I dont like to be on the same team than this bitch here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuAvRCSWu8I&t)

[aaezil]

Opiate of the masses, throw it all away

[mickmoranis]

is religion right?

2000 years of
global domination
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hmm gosh i wonder?:confused::confused::rolleyes:

[Wonkie]

is religion right?

2000 years of
global domination
https://i.imgur.com/E2oQ9nR.gif




hmm gosh i wonder?:confused::confused::rolleyes:

christianity is a cuck religion. turn the other cheek means letting dudes slap you around.

modern republicanism is more like atheistic satanism

hope this helps

[mickmoranis]

christianity is a cuck religion. turn the other cheek means letting dudes slap you around.

modern republicanism is more like atheistic satanism

hope this helps

you really want us not turning our cheek?

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hail mary hail trump

[Wonkie]

Sometimes I wish I were a Muslim just seems hot. Mormon 1st or last wife would be sick too

mormons arent allowed to do drugs dear

[maskedmelonpai]

mormons arent allowed to do drugs dear

she ain't bein bound by what's allowed, pokes. her spirit to large and free ^^

[JurisDictum]

Over the past 50 years people have stopped going to church and adhering to religious sects. Many of these people who stopped going to church, still believe in God. They say, "I don't need a church to worship God." Or "Church is full of people that will try to make me celibate"

I'm not making the argument that all churches are equal. Nor am I saying that you can't worship God without a church.

What I am saying is that a lot of things that have been taught in churches for the past thousand years have tremendous value. Typically church go-ers hear the errors of their ways more frequently than if they hadn't gone. A good example of this is the denunciation of viewing pornography. In a nutshell; porn gets you less sex and lackluster sex. Porn has been denounced by church leaders for thousand of years but it hasn't been until recently that psycologists have found a negative link between porn and sexual wellness. All the while liberal society has been telling young boys to vedge out on porn like it's a healthy source of recreation.

On the other hand, where I think a lot of young men get turned off by religion (among other things) is over zealous preaching of sex. I.E Jesus says "don't look on another woman to lust after her," and someone wrongfully takes that to "sex is bad and boners are bad and good looking women are bad and having a lot of sex with your wife is bad or having sex without the thought of having kids is bad" etc etc.

But in today's world, many young men aren't hearing both sides of morality at home, definitely not hearing it at school, and unfortunately not hearing it at church because they don't go. Traditionally churches have taught morals and it's been up to the hearer to follow or not.

I have more thoughts on all this but will continue tomorrow. Would like to see what some of you think about this.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe if there was no such thing as organized religion -- people that spend their time and resources in organized religion would instead join groups that don't propagate make-believe shit?

I see what your saying. It's good to have intelligent guy (the preacher hopefully) giving moral guidance to a group on a regular basis. The group gets together and tried to help each other and engage in moral activity.

But the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about is that all this shit about God, Hell, Angels, and Jesus just flat out isn't real. You can be about as sure as that as you can be that we are all not in the Matrix.

The reason people continue to believe this stuff as adults is because society sanctions and approves of it. Otherwise we would call these people crazies. We have to tip toe around these wacky beliefs -- even when they come into conflict with running a modern society.

We allow religions to literally brainwash kids. We do this in other areas too, like nationalism and parental rights in general (lots of parents force stupid wacky beliefs on there kids). And maybe we should allow it -- but I'm not ready to declare its a good thing and that its sad the practice is dying out.

And religion is getting less popular. But its so influential in society that professors that study it keep arguing and obscuring that fact...arguing the rise of Islam is proof that religion is not incompatible with modernism (lol..). Or that the statistics that show religion is getting less popular don't mean what you think they do blah blah blah

So much privilege we grant religion. We need to start treating it more like astrology IMO and less like some pillar people need in their lives.

[mickmoranis]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe if there was no such thing as organized religion -- people that spend their time and resources in organized religion would instead join groups that don't propagate make-believe shit?

oh you mean like #resist?

or socialism?

Or communism?

Or isms in general?

get real, people are terrible, just GET OVER it, you can change them by killing more than half the population and genetically engineering them to be identical if oyu want.

sounds like a way worse plan than going to church and bettering yourself and your community.

[mickmoranis]

Some things even Jesus can't fix

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someone try and convince me this isnt a religion

especialyl when they ATTACK science behind it

"males are different than females" ... "YOU HERETIC YOU NAZI YOU EUGENICIST!"

[mickmoranis]

The problem with the men and women aren't different movement is that they are dumb. They think when you say men and women are different you're saying they are opposite, and men are superior. The truth is that men and women are more alike than not. Certain traits are more likely to be female and likewise for men.

It's really just dumb people who don't understand how statistics work that cause all of these womens rights issues. Womens pay gap is a great example of that.

wait what are you saying?

are you saying there is no difference biologically from men and women? That men and woman think and behave differently because of learned behavior? cus that is anti science.

i mean dont get me wrong the human body is a grey area, like anything, you can be born retarded or you can be born more masculine, of course there are alikes.

but if you consider the fact that you are in the minority if you are retarded and in the gender fluid grey area, and not PART of the majority, and against the science that proves this because it upsets you, as most religious fanatics (lets be real this is what they are, an anti vaxer is as insane about their belife as a christian is as a feminist)

its all just belifes, you BELIEVE that men and woman are simmilar, when the flat reality is THEY ARE NOT, but the minorities that exist in the grey areas are.

Its like midgits, sure they exist , and more or less are like anyone else, except for SOME drastic features.

gay, for example proves that genetics are not binary, but if you are not part of the binary you are in a HUGE minority, and trying to edge society to change to accept you AS the majority but, just 'differnt' but still the same, is idiological and anti science.

its a religion.

[Patriam1066]

Jesus Akhbar