What's so good about CoS for Necros?

[DinoTriz]

I've been seeing pre-nerf CoS shoot up in price and I've been asking myself, why the high demand?

People use it in combination with FD? I thought losing aggro that way was also nerfed?

I don't get it. What makes them worth 25k+?

[enjchanter]

Gazugi ring functionality from inventory - instantly worth 7k just for this
Instant cast unlimited invis - extremely convenient for mobility
Yes, helps somewhat with invising after fd
No longer able to get one without paying for it - a big reason it increased.

These things were a solid 2k item before the nerf so obviously when they suddenly become unobtainable through normal means (ie camping it) the prices rises.

I dont think it's worth 25k+
But I'd happily pay 10k for this item if I didn't already have one

I think the real question is why do elder beads cost more than 30k

[loramin]

These things were a solid 2k item before the nerf

Pretty sure they were going for 10k even when they still dropped. Of course, people knew they'd go away someday, so speculation was probably a factor even back then, but we had years of them dropping so it couldn't have been that much of a factor.

[enjchanter]

Pretty sure they were going for 10k even when they still dropped. Of course, people knew they'd go away someday, so speculation was probably a factor even back then, but we had years of them dropping so it couldn't have been that much of a factor.


I think 4k was the most expensive one I ever saw before nerf and I didn't pay that for mine and I even made my necro with intentions to farm them to sell !

[Nixtar]

Mobility + easy charm breaks. On live though I got really good at timing the nerfed one.

A couple of EC flippers bought plenty of them and then doubled the price which in turn made others rush out to try and join on. Can get kinda funny though, to see 4-6 of them being auctioned at the same time and then gradually lower in price to like 13-14k.

[Triiz]

Pretty sure they were going for 10k even when they still dropped. Of course, people knew they'd go away someday, so speculation was probably a factor even back then, but we had years of them dropping so it couldn't have been that much of a factor.

Nah. They were always 2kish while they dropped. Even after they stopped dropping it took a few months for them to stay at 10k, people would sell them for 6-7k often at least a few months after the nerf.

Only takes a few persistent people to skyrocket the price of an item though.

[loramin]

Nah. They were always 2kish while they dropped. Even after they stopped dropping it took a few months for them to stay at 10k, people would sell them for 6-7k often at least a few months after the nerf.

Only takes a few persistent people to skyrocket the price of an item though.

Yeah, my mistake. I thought it was selling for that much when I looted mine (although I didn't sell it, I just checked the price), but I'm probably mis-remembering because if it had actually been 10k I would have been way more excited about it than the (3k) Idol of the Thorned from the same camp.

[Gumbo]

The most I would pay for a CoS would be 7-10K. Anything over 10K and it's not worth it, IMO.

Hell, I have a 54 Necro that doesn't have a CoS and have used FD hundreds of times and never had any problems. Sure, it's helpful in those situations with KOS wandering Mobs but I'm willing to bet that most of them see through invis and hide.

[Canelek]

7K was the going price around this time last year. Now they are 12-14K, which is also fine. Great item, but let's not forget there are a few thousand in circulation, likely.

From what I remember on live as a SK it was certainly cool to have. Especially back when monk/SK mob splitting was more of a thing.

[commongood]

I've been seeing pre-nerf CoS shoot up in price and I've been asking myself, why the high demand?

People use it in combination with FD? I thought losing aggro that way was also nerfed?

I don't get it. What makes them worth 25k+?

Tbh there are two things to question. One is the price development which I won’t comment on. The second is objective value. On this second point a thought experiment: If this item had always only dropped off a contested raid mob, say, King Tormax or some Ntov dragon I would imagine it would sell for 100k+

As a necro (sk too id imagine but sticking with necro as that’s what I play) it is an absolutely incredible item. Even without taking charm breaking into account just being able to instant invis from inventory is flat out amazing for your QoL in Norrath

[Lobus]

WTB Pre-nerf CoS 10k

[uolen]

Ill say I got to 48 and farmed one before nerf. Instant charm break is nice and you don't have to select yourself then cast it then select broke pet to kill or root like with goblin ring. Instant invisibility is very nice. I'm running the a dungeon, invis dropping click, don't even break stride. I love it, I would say it's is awesome to own but not necessarily game changing like I'm hoping a shissar staff will be.

[24kanthony]

Imagine you're doing a train up for a pull. You have mobs aggroed and chasing. There are more mobs ahead to run past but your invis is fading, you don't want to get hit and stunned as you pass the mobs, and you can't stop. Click the cos and everything is good without having to keep a bag full of rings that you have to recharge.

[Diogene]

Wiki shows prenerf CoS between 100 and 600k now. Price gougers have been working hard. Althought I dont think this is going to work. No one will pay more than 20k for this.

[Senn]

Wiki shows prenerf CoS between 100 and 600k now. Price gougers have been working hard. Althought I dont think this is going to work. No one will pay more than 20k for this.

Wrong.

I sold one for 24k, one for 22k and traded another for an RBG. I also know of two others that went for 23k. This is over the last two months.

Edit: I should note that these were direct offers, I did not specify a price for mine.
Edit2: I owned two and flipped one.

[Renad]

Wiki shows prenerf CoS between 100 and 600k now. Price gougers have been working hard. Althought I dont think this is going to work. No one will pay more than 20k for this.

I saw 2 different people spamming auction channel for well over 12 hours the other day while ar work with an asking price of 250-350k. The auction bot is picking up the /auc and doing its thing...but I would imagine is just a select few trying to manipulate the price on the wiki so they can turn around and "sell it for a great deal 100k, its 250k+ on the wiki...blahblahblah". I still highly doubt anyone would be purchasing one at that price...

[bwe]

Just buy a Gazughi ring, set your ring macro/target self to the same hotkey button, and buy a Ring of Shadows.

[samkds]

I saw 2 different people spamming auction channel for well over 12 hours the other day while ar work with an asking price of 250-350k. The auction bot is picking up the /auc and doing its thing...but I would imagine is just a select few trying to manipulate the price on the wiki so they can turn around and "sell it for a great deal 100k, its 250k+ on the wiki...blahblahblah". I still highly doubt anyone would be purchasing one at that price...

Saw a few /auction for 500k yesterday...😮

[Lobus]

still WTB for 10k

[Raavak]

You can click/cast while running is the main benefit, at least to SKs. Probably nice for Necros too.

[DinoTriz]

If you'd ever been in Veeshans Peak - you'd realize this is a rhetorical question. Instant Cast invis has so many benefits. Learn them.

I'm a lowly casual (only play 30-40 hours/week), I doubt I'll ever get a VP key.

[Baylan295]

If you'd ever been in Veeshans Peak - you'd realize this is a rhetorical question. Instant Cast invis has so many benefits. Learn them.

Instant click invis is incredible in any zone where you will run into see invis mobs intermingled with non-see invis mobs. Hell, clickie invis (even with a cast time) is incredibly useful, even if not game changing.

[Bristlebaner]

If CoS was 100k it would still be my first priority as a necro to save for.

[bwe]

Just buy a Gazughi ring, set your ring macro/target self to the same hotkey button, and buy a Ring of Shadows.

[Randarn]

As an EC tunnel rat who made a killing on this item.. I remember the going price before nerf was specifically 1kpp, right before the change people tried to sell them for 2kpp. some made profit, but most gave in and sold for 1kpp.

[Gilder]

I don't get it. What makes them worth 25k+?

Ask Kyndal.

[Karthil]

I love my insta-click CoS, but I can't imagine paying 20k+ for it tbh, unless I had more plat than I knew what to do with it.

IMO the only common instance that currently makes insta click invis OP is charming, and as bwe already said, you could just get a gazughi ring.

Are there other times when it's great? Of course. But that's true of almost every clicky.

There's a finite (if huge) quantity of them on the server, so it isn't surprising that people are raising the price, and will continue to try to for the foreseeable future. That doesn't mean that most people will not find that price worthwhile, and an inevitable ceiling will set in for all but a few of them.

[Bummey]

I still don't understand how this keeps getting asked. Unlimited charges of instant re/cast invisibility that doesn't take a spell slot. What about the extremely valuable utility of that is hard to understand?

[24kanthony]

If you are doing train-ups in VP, you'd sacrifice a baby to have a CoS.

[Danth]

It's also a classy way to kill your own pet when you forget to bag it and click the hotkey due to muscle memory.

Danth

[Ravager]

Also, plat still drops. Instant CoS doesn't. 20-30k is actually quite a bit cheaper than inventing a time machine.

[White_knight]

I think what people arent factoring in is that there would be plently of low level twink necro/sks that have them that people dont play anymore.

So an increase in price is a way to tempt them to sell them too.

[Frudrura]

I thought it wasn't that big of a deal when I didn't have one on my necro, but then I got one and it is very very nice to have. Instant invis whenever is kind of cool.

But, when I had mine, they still dropped and you could purchase for cheap.

If you don't have one at this stage I could kind of see with doing without unless you make a bunch of plat and don't mind dropping 30k or however much it will be by the time that time comes.

[commongood]

I mean, I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole of price speculators and what not. But if 30k is the going rate these days I mean... people pay a lot more than 30k for a lot worse items. Imagine in an alternate universe where Pre-nerf CoS had never dropped from Droga but instead was a raredrop from Ntov and still dropped... it would cost 100+k I'm sure. It's a great item and for sure I would pay 30k if I didn't own one and was hyped about playing a necro or an sk.

[Teppler]

I mean, I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole of price speculators and what not. But if 30k is the going rate these days I mean... people pay a lot more than 30k for a lot worse items. Imagine in an alternate universe where Pre-nerf CoS had never dropped from Droga but instead was a raredrop from Ntov and still dropped... it would cost 100+k I'm sure. It's a great item and for sure I would pay 30k if I didn't own one and was hyped about playing a necro or an sk.

Exactly. This is why I've bought 4 recently. I highly recommend buying these as investments if you can get them for 22-23k from people who don't really understand the situation and overall usefulness of CoS and need to make a quick sale.

[bwe]

They are only worth what they are for the convenience of not having a "target self" macro with the Goblin Gazughi Ring and for having to recharge a Ring of Shadows. No one should pay over 20k

[Teppler]

They are only worth what they are for the convenience of not having a "target self" macro with the Goblin Gazughi Ring and for having to recharge a Ring of Shadows. No one should pay over 20k

That's what they said at 2k, 5k, 10k, 15k. I'll bet we see 50k easy within a year.

[ScaringChildren]

That's what they said at 2k, 5k, 10k, 15k. I'll bet we see 50k easy within a year.

They're a limited supply, I'd imagine the price will go up eventually.

[commongood]

They are only worth what they are for the convenience of not having a "target self" macro with the Goblin Gazughi Ring and for having to recharge a Ring of Shadows. No one should pay over 20k

Citing Ring of Shadows as an alternative is fair, I guess, but it really pales in comparison. The luxury of always being able to click CoS for free, limitless invis is immeasurably more convenient and QoL than having to load up backpacks with items with 3 charges.

I mean HEB is also just a luxury version of stalking probe but it’s about convenience.

If only comparing the ability to break charm I don’t think the difference between goblin ring and cos is very big though.