<Rampage> making a return?

[Getsmurfed]

Hey guys, Lofted here --- I was just playing the other day and ran into Hokushin and Kegluas in the tunnel...Is it true the guild may make a come back? Hopefully so, would be awesome to run some old school P99 with you bros! Thoughts / concerns appreciated. :)

[Baler]

They better not, after waking the sleeper then giving p99 the bird by leaving to go play WoW. They're pretty well disliked by many.

[MilanderTruewield]

They better not, after waking the sleeper then giving p99 the bird by leaving to go play WoW. They're pretty well disliked by many.

Not really, they are both good peeps.

[Baler]

Not really, they are both good peeps.

Some people may like them...
But it is true they woke the sleeper denying loot and the visual experience to everyone else on p99 for the foreseeable future. Sleeper was never woken during classic, them doing what they did was not classic. And a majority of them did leave p99 right afterwards to go play world of warcraft.

sleeper was the peak of velious content, Them waking it spits in the faces of everyone who has ever raided, raids or wants to raid on p99.
There is nothing else to come, that's all folks. We're chasing our tails in circles now. Nothing to look forward to and imagine doing.

And the staff seem to refuse to respawn sleeper as of yet. Which concludes that rampage screwed p99 in a bad way. I know if it wasn't them, it would have been someone else. But it was them.

[lurk]

Sleeper was never woken during classic

Lol, what? Sleeper was woken in classic on almost every server. And relatively early in velious on many servers

[beta]

Lol, what? Sleeper was woken in classic on almost every server. And relatively early in velious on many servers

True story ralloz zek was first

[Baler]

Sleeper was not legit woken on live until after Velious. Shit's Not Classic.
There were bugs on live that allowed for many non-legit wakenings during velious.
don't shoot the messenger. blame SOE.

Almost like how early velious raiding on p99 was easier with bugs, missing mechanics and monk memblur,.. but that's another topic.

[Mead]

I'm sure Rampage members are really concerned what baler thinks about them

lol

it's also debatable you have more enemies now with your name changing bs thread

[Tobius]

They better not, after waking the sleeper then giving p99 the bird by leaving to go play WoW. They're pretty well disliked by many.

really? they did that? What a bunch of low life pricks.

[Baler]

This message is hidden because Mead is on your ignore list.
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really? they did that? What a bunch of low life pricks.

Good one Tobius but I am not the only person who has a grudge against them for purposely denying everyone the 4 wardens.
I just seem to be the most vocal about it and i'm certain a few people quit p99 because that was all there was left to do/hope for.

I can't find the cucumbers scepter of destruction gif with people in the two vehicles.

[kotton05]

You have a grudge? Lol good one it’s 2018 and you’re raiding sky on red, can’t take you serious.

[Baler]

You have a grudge? Lol good one it’s 2018 and you’re raiding sky on red, can’t take you serious.

You have me confused for someone else or you're trolling.

[lurk]

True story ralloz zek was first

You're confused. RZ was basically the last. They woke and killed the sleeper well after PoP, might have even been GoD.

BoTS on Rathe first woke sleeper.

Sleeper was not legit woken on live until after Velious. Shit's Not Classic.
There were bugs on live that allowed for many non-legit wakenings during velious.
don't shoot the messenger. blame SOE.

There were no bugs. Conquest was banned for an attempt at ventani but the explanation from the gms didn't even make sense...supposedly clerics under bridge couldn't be attacked but he would have just summoned them. That's the only controversy around waking the sleeper.

Explain what bugs you're referring to. Da kor woke him legit on my server well before luclin

[xCry0x]

Sleeper was not legit woken on live until after Velious. Shit's Not Classic.
There were bugs on live that allowed for many non-legit wakenings during velious.
don't shoot the messenger. blame SOE.

Almost like how early velious raiding on p99 was easier with bugs, missing mechanics and monk memblur,.. but that's another topic.

He was WOKEN on plenty of servers. He wasn't legit killed until later.

There is a list somewhere of the order/dates of servers to wake him.

[paulgiamatti]

Curse you Rampage for playing classic elf simulator as it was intended!!!

[Kesselring]

True story ralloz zek was first

Wrong, Rallos-Zek was first to try to kill the sleeper. The Rathe was the first ever server to wake the sleeper.

[Gozuk]

So far just people lashing out against Baler for forum reasons despite the fact that what he's saying here is true... In regards to those who woke the Sleeper here on P99, anyways.

Even years down the road the fact remains that this was a selfish dirtbag move by those who woke the sleeper and anybody who willingly participated can never be known as a "server good guy."

[Argh]

I can confirm that Lofted still owes me 75k.

[Endonde]

I can confirm that Lofted still owes me 75k.

Who would have thought Eddy Munster would back out of a bet.

[Getsmurfed]

BS, I got the first FTE that I bet on and Hoku got a repop FTE. If anything, you owe ME 75k!

[Mead]

Even years down the road the fact remains that this was a selfish dirtbag move by those who woke the sleeper and anybody who willingly participated can never be known as a "server good guy."

How many warders do you think you mom and pop guilds would have killed if the sleeper was still up?

[kotton05]

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[Briscoe]

The only thing I lament about waking the Sleeper is that some members of Rampage weren't able to be there that night. It was a fun moment and our guild worked hard to get to that point.

Initially I was a bit ambivalent on how I felt about it, but looking back on it now, I don't feel any guilt and I don't think we really took much of anything from anyone. It's just a convenient outlet for people to channel their blind hate of guilds at the top end of the raid scene.

It's easy to resort to the "greedy" argument, but it's a weak one. How many people have honestly had something taken away from them by us waking the Sleeper when we did? If you want a primal, you can still get a primal. You can't get a shroud or a SoD or a gnome mask now, but how many people came to P99 with the sole purpose of getting one of those anyway? Again, if anything I feel sorry for the Rampage members who didn't get one of those items.

The other false idea that gets advanced is this notion that if we didn't wake him, then no one else would have by now, which is of course not true.

Over two years later and we still have a vocal minority that is upset over this for specious reasons, but I think the majority of people on P99 either don't care, or thought it was neat:

[Mon Feb 01 00:31:27 2016] Valse shouts, 'grats rampage on the sleeper thing tonight. thanks for streaming so the rest of us could watch it! =P'

[Tipsyer]

What wouldn't be classic is every other end game tank to be dual wielding sod's. or numerous gnome bard/rogues running around biting ankles. or grey robes for days.

Waking him is about as classic as it gets.

How long did a majority of those people wait through classic and kunark here? Yeah... If you expected anything different you're fooling yourself.

[Endonde]

The only thing I lament about waking the Sleeper is that some members of Rampage weren't able to be there that night. It was a fun moment and our guild worked hard to get to that point.

Initially I was a bit ambivalent on how I felt about it, but looking back on it now, I don't feel any guilt and I don't think we really took much of anything from anyone. It's just a convenient outlet for people to channel their blind hate of guilds at the top end of the raid scene.

It's easy to resort to the "greedy" argument, but it's a weak one. How many people have honestly had something taken away from them by us waking the Sleeper when we did? If you want a primal, you can still get a primal. You can't get a shroud or a SoD or a gnome mask now, but how many people came to P99 with the sole purpose of getting one of those anyway? Again, if anything I feel sorry for the Rampage members who didn't get one of those items.

The other false idea that gets advanced is this notion that if we didn't wake him, then no one else would have by now, which is of course not true.

Over two years later and we still have a vocal minority that is upset over this for specious reasons, but I think the majority of people on P99 either don't care, or thought it was neat:

[Mon Feb 01 00:31:27 2016] Valse shouts, 'grats rampage on the sleeper thing tonight. thanks for streaming so the rest of us could watch it! =P'

I don't really feel too bad for them, most of the main warriors had SoD's, shrouds had started going to alts, gnome masks is the only one I can think of that several big contributors weren't able to get one but it would have become a slippery slope of gearing a never ending train of monk alts with shrouds before too much longer. I'm pretty bias'd but I like the fact that the items are rare and even now 2 years later it isn't super common to see any of the 3, in my mind that is how it should be.

I kinda wish Swage got a SoD (I don't think he got one, but I could be wrong.), and I wish Koraf had gotten a gnome mask, but those are about the only 2 off the top of my head.

[Swish2]

I'm sure Rampage members are really concerned what baler thinks about them

lol

it's also debatable you have more enemies now with your name changing bs thread

This isn't rnf sir

[Gozuk]

The only thing I lament about waking the Sleeper is that some members of Rampage weren't able to be there that night. It was a fun moment and our guild worked hard to get to that point.

Initially I was a bit ambivalent on how I felt about it, but looking back on it now, I don't feel any guilt and I don't think we really took much of anything from anyone. It's just a convenient outlet for people to channel their blind hate of guilds at the top end of the raid scene.

It's easy to resort to the "greedy" argument, but it's a weak one. How many people have honestly had something taken away from them by us waking the Sleeper when we did? If you want a primal, you can still get a primal. You can't get a shroud or a SoD or a gnome mask now, but how many people came to P99 with the sole purpose of getting one of those anyway? Again, if anything I feel sorry for the Rampage members who didn't get one of those items.

The other false idea that gets advanced is this notion that if we didn't wake him, then no one else would have by now, which is of course not true.

Over two years later and we still have a vocal minority that is upset over this for specious reasons, but I think the majority of people on P99 either don't care, or thought it was neat:

[Mon Feb 01 00:31:27 2016] Valse shouts, 'grats rampage on the sleeper thing tonight. thanks for streaming so the rest of us could watch it! =P'

Gonna go out on a limb here and say.. Cringe.

You worked hard to get to that point? Any guild that can kill a single warder is capable of waking he Sleeper. Really no big feat here. Grats.

You guys certainly denied people of loot/content/fun. You dont think upcoming guilds like PS and AG would like a chance at some of those items? Certainly they've been working very hard to put together a sufficient force to enter ST and kill monsters. Why wouldn't they want a shot at some of the most sought after items of this era?

It's been openly admitted on the forums that the sole reason for wakening the sleeper was to deny a select few (or entire guild) under you at the time of said items. To try to make it seem like awakening the sleeper, on the only "classic" server worth a shit, was anything other a selfish, douchebag move, personal vendetta between a handful of people is complete BS.

One random person shouting "thanks for streaming it" does not reflect the mass of the server's opinion on the decision to wake him. Get off your high horse?

Inb4 26 year old dorf sim.

[Gozuk]

TL;DR he mad

Mad? I dunno. Offended is probably more accurate. I wouldn't be raiding ST either way, personally.

[Mead]

I wouldn't be raiding ST either way, personally.

We know

[Freakish]

Swage got his, it was Aldred that did not :(.

[Endonde]

Swage got his, it was Aldred that did not :(.

Didn't he trade his back to the guild for a Helm of Rallos Zek? Yea he was super cool guy but that was a silly decision lol.

[Freakish]

I think it was something like week 1- aow hat drops, goes to forum. He bids, wins. Week 2 SoD drops, goes to forum. He just won aow loot and vulak loot? and whoever ended up winning hadn't looted anything in over a month. Bad timing really.

[Bboboo]

Baler posts with his emotions lol

[Tobius]

It's not only the shitty content blocking it's also the "leaving right after" that is somehow worse. If you were gonna leave anyway why bother, you don't get to use the bragging rights or the mountain of now impossible to get gear.

A total fucking waste.

Maybe at luclin gap they could do an event to re-seal the sleeper, like he's too strong to truly kill so killing him is jsut subduing him enough to be re-sealed.

That'd be cool. And if it was after luclin the "not classic" wankers can go away, because classic was "over" classic lasting longer than classic is not classic.

[Bboboo]

Also to be fair Legion was a damn good expansion I tell you wHat.

[Briscoe]

If Rampage wanted to or was concerned about their reputation or the quality of the server, they would have kitted out their mains, then invited other guilds along /provided them kill and loot rights (or simply loot rights), so as to pass some of the spoils around.

We did this sort of thing on multiple occasions. See for example this thread (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218571) advertising one of several open PoG raids that we held. A lot of people who otherwise wouldn't be able to see that content had fun at those raids and got nice loot.

Another example is the distribution of some of the guild bank to a multitude of guilds after the guild was dissolved, which was described here. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227735) This thread is interesting in hindsight because it gives us some insight into the way that the leaders of the "casual" raiding guilds viewed Rampage in the immediate aftermath of the wakening.

Very generous of Rampage. Thank you on behalf of Omni.

Very generous Rampage, kind to the small people till the end. Thank you on behalf of Europa

Thank you very much for your gift..it was very much appreciated!

I truly don't have words other than how sad it makes me to know that this kind of leadership won't be at the helm of the server anymore. Thank you for putting up with all that you did from forsaken and thanks for winning with class.

You have to give Baler credit for consistency, though; he's been banging this drum for over two years now:

Sleeper Awoken,. No respect for that.

[Endonde]

We did this sort of thing on multiple occasions. See for example this thread (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218571) advertising one of several open PoG raids that we held. A lot of people who otherwise wouldn't be able to see that content had fun at those raids and got nice loot.

Another example is the distribution of some of the guild bank to a multitude of guilds after the guild was dissolved, which was described here. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227735) This thread is interesting in hindsight because it gives us some insight into the way that the leaders of the "casual" raiding guilds viewed Rampage in the immediate aftermath of the wakening.









You have to give Baler credit for consistency, though; he's been banging this drum for over two years now:

Yea, I remember one time CSG, or some conglomeration of guilds was attempting sontalak, and they shunned a small guild telling them they couldn't join (I can't remember the specific guild.), and after the zerg had finished wiping, Hokushin invited the small guild to come kill it with us, and gave them some of the loot.

We also did help guilds like Divinity pull dragons from time to time, allowed their ST keyed members to join us on our ST raids and gave them primals, poor Trazzle went to every ST raid for months before he got a 1hb.

I always respected Hokushin because no matter how big we got, and how good we were he never went out of his way to shit on the little guilds.

[Jimjam]

Some say wakeing the sleeper and leaving was poor forum.

In honesty, I hold no bad sentiments against Rampage wanting to complete the 'main event' of Velious before leaving (waking The Sleeper).

It is the ones who went along with that then stuck around that shot themselves in the foot!

[Tobius]

Giving up some scraps for good PR despite removing a huge encounter and other items from the game forever.

Don't believe the hype. Fuck em.

Of course people are gonna be nice if they are getting free shit. Proves nothing. I don't like my job but if I get an xmas bonus I say thanks a lot.

[Argh]

I heard it was Taken's idea to wake the sleeper.

[khanable]

I heard it was Taken's idea to wake the sleeper.

Naw this was the BDA long con. Hoku and I were always BDA plants, Hoku was just undercover wayyyy longer.

all glory to the supreme leader!

[Argh]

Naw this was the BDA long con. Hoku and I were always BDA plants, Hoku was just undercover wayyyy longer.

all glory to the supreme leader!

Long live Chest Rockwell!

[Swish2]

no praise, no pixels

[Pheer]

Naw this was the BDA long con. Hoku and I were always BDA plants, Hoku was just undercover wayyyy longer.

all glory to the supreme leader!

Fun fact the new docuseries "Evil Genius" on netflix was originally going to be about this but they decided the subject matter was a bit too obscure so they went a different direction that they felt would be more compelling to a wider audience

[Gozuk]

You guys woke the Sleeper on the only legit classic server in existence. Nobody cares if you let a smaller guild loot worked dragonleg breaches off Sontalak. It was a scumbag move any everybody knows it. Stop trying to bring up random acts of generosity. Of course somebody is going to hit accept if you put Puppet Strings in their inventory and hit trade.

[khanable]

You guys woke the Sleeper on the only legit classic server in existence. Nobody cares if you let a smaller guild loot worked dragonleg breaches off Sontalak. It was a scumbag move any everybody knows it. Stop trying to bring up random acts of generosity. Of course somebody is going to hit accept if you put Puppet Strings in their inventory and hit trade.

People mad about waking the sleeper is very classic

We just did our part for your immersion

[Argh]

You guys woke the Sleeper on the only legit classic server in existence. Nobody cares if you let a smaller guild loot worked dragonleg breaches off Sontalak. It was a scumbag move any everybody knows it. Stop trying to bring up random acts of generosity. Of course somebody is going to hit accept if you put Puppet Strings in their inventory and hit trade.

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

[Supaskillz]

Naw this was the BDA long con. Hoku and I were always BDA plants, Hoku was just undercover wayyyy longer.

all glory to the supreme leader!

Hoku did recruit me to BDA. Chest was still sub 60 and hoku was pulling sky a lot in BDA.

[Gozuk]

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance


Nice copy/paste work but It's already been established that I'm clearly upset. Make your next point please

[Argh]

Nice copy/paste work

Sorry that I didn't invent a new grief cycle model for you.

[Celatus]

Nice copy/paste work but It's already been established that I'm clearly upset. Make your next point please

Get over it.

<server first sod>

[Pheer]

thread summary: people complaining theyll never get to kill mobs/obtain items that AM would never have allowed them to kill/obtain anway

[Getsmurfed]

This one time we helped that ranger's only guild kill the dragon in Wakening Land.

Long live <Rampage> the benevolent keepers of Velious content.

[Brut]

Monks never deserved a combination of PD robe and fungi to begin with. Dumb item, glad it's gone from drop lists.

The rest of warder loot are vanity junk anyway. And stupid # of primals drops.

[azeth]

Boys are back in town or naw?

[yyrkoon]

wake the sleeper = be a piece of shit for the rest of your p99 career

sry

[Getsmurfed]

Well, fortunately for you all there will only be one Sleeper in P99 history right? So essentially we're Jesus Christ and paid for your sins so you don't have to. No one will be crucified because we were. This is where you thank the kind, benevolent members of Rampage!

[Daloon]

wake the sleeper = be a piece of shit for the rest of your p99 career

Oh man, you think the #1 guild that you likely were not a part of are pieces of shit? This is going to keep me up all night :rolleyes:

Say it with me - 400 Primals.

[mattydef]

The sad part is, for most of these guys, waking the sleeper 15+ years after it was originally done is probably their biggest accomplishment in life. Let them have their video game glory.

[d3r14k]

The sad part is, for most of these guys, waking the sleeper 15+ years after it was originally done is probably their biggest accomplishment in life. Let them have their video game glory.

I was like ~14 or 15 when the sleeper was being woken in Live. I wasn't quite old enough or devoted enough to playing on that kind of level. Doing it here -- now -- would have been pretty cool, despite your comparison to "life accomplishments".

We all play here, I don't get why people try to diminish things.

[Christina.]

What wouldn't be classic is every other end game tank to be dual wielding sod's. or numerous gnome bard/rogues running around biting ankles. or grey robes for days.

Waking him is about as classic as it gets.

How long did a majority of those people wait through classic and kunark here? Yeah... If you expected anything different you're fooling yourself.

[HippoNipple]

Gonna go out on a limb here and say.. Cringe.

You worked hard to get to that point? Any guild that can kill a single warder is capable of waking he Sleeper. Really no big feat here. Grats.

You guys certainly denied people of loot/content/fun. You dont think upcoming guilds like PS and AG would like a chance at some of those items? Certainly they've been working very hard to put together a sufficient force to enter ST and kill monsters. Why wouldn't they want a shot at some of the most sought after items of this era?

It's been openly admitted on the forums that the sole reason for wakening the sleeper was to deny a select few (or entire guild) under you at the time of said items. To try to make it seem like awakening the sleeper, on the only "classic" server worth a shit, was anything other a selfish, douchebag move, personal vendetta between a handful of people is complete BS.

One random person shouting "thanks for streaming it" does not reflect the mass of the server's opinion on the decision to wake him. Get off your high horse?

Inb4 26 year old dorf sim.

Waking the sleeper is the only thing to really do. It is how you win the server. There is no other event after that. If you are with the crew that did it you have items no one else will ever get. Why don't you see that? It is a game. You are upset that someone decided to win when they had the chance. You are a loser.

[mattydef]

Someone seems mad/bad/sad

Mad about what? I couldn't care less about the sleeper or the warders. I've done far more on p99 than I ever intended when coming back to play Everquest. Waking the sleeper was never on my list of things to do. Try again.

[Pheer]

and everyone knows that the sleeper would have just become a bargaining chip in guild negotiations which, to be honest, would make for some fantastic rnf threads

one of my only regrets about us waking the sleeper was that I'll never get to read an RNF thread about a casual guild turning into elfquest North Korea and threatening to go nuclear on ST if they arent given fair shots at raid mobs

[Jimjam]

Killing the sleeper is how you win the server

Sorry you lost.