Circlet of Shadow and FD

[Lysander]

So I was fighting a mob over level 35, and FD'ed and I thought I would be good if I stood up and clicked the circlet. Unfortunately the mob reaggroed and murdered me.

I read from this guide that: "If a mob cannot see invis and you invis right after standing up (eg, a Ring of Shadows click), it should clear aggro. This is how Necros and SKs clear aggro using a Circlet of Shadow. Since monks don't get infinite charge invis items, this isn't used much in practice, and I have not personally tested this (or whether an invis while FDed from a groupmate would work). "

(from http://wiki.project1999.com/Meviin%27s_Monk_Mechanics)

Sesserdrix also says something similar: "Second thing this item lets you do is helpful in bad situations. Lets say you pull three mobs by accident, and you're getting beaten down. Your reaction will be to Feign Death, of course, but then what... You sit there... And you wait. And you wait. And finally, after a while, the enemies will return from whence they came. But, with the power of Circlet of Shadow, you can stand up immediately after Feign Death, click your cap, and sit down and meditate. Note, if your enemies can see through invisibility, you cannot do this, as they will re-aggro you."

So did this change? I saw that patch which said that sneak clearing aggro on monks was nerfed, was it nerfed along with this? Or did it never work like this at all? Or am I not using the circlet right. And last thing is, is this classic? Without doing any research, I see lots of people on allakhazam claiming that clicking a circlet after standing up made the mob not reaggro on them, which suggests to me that that is how it should work, presuming that they were fighting mobs above lvl 35.

Looking to hear from other necros about the uses of this item besides just completely safe invis that doesn't drop when you need it most.

[enjchanter]

in my experience, its about 50/50 but its no guaranteed enough to count on it working imo.

[Nixtar]

You rely on the FD mem blur now.

Spread the word. Pre-nerf CoS now 5k because of nerf.

[xzhaa]

invis have no effect now. I can be used to not agro a mob that is not currently agroed if u instantly click it when standing up but if the mob didnt memblur or reset it will re agro.

[Whyt]

In my experience letting the mob path back to its original spawn point etc has let me stand up and cast COS without re aggroing, it's always worked for me. Try it.

[mprecup]

I remember on live a message that would say "Your enemies have forgotten you." if you FD'd long enough. I haven't seen it on Project 1999. Was the change to relying on FD to mem blur classic? I think a necro FD only has a 1% chance of mem blur, so you're forced to wait for the mob to reset (and obviously wait for any dot's to wear off).

[tsuchang]

Perhaps it is true that your dot on the mob kept him upset with you. I have had to let my necro lay there until the dot wore off. Maybe that was it. Shoot if the dot hit as you were getting up and the nano second before you clicked the CoS the mob was reintroduced to your nasty ways.
Maybe.

[Whyt]

And yes if you dot a mob and fd then stand up and COS with dot still on mob you will definitely reaggro

[Raavak]

Yes, to the above. Let the mob return to its spawn (pathers suck for this). If you dotted it have to wait for that to fade. Also, do not FD in los and aggro range or your f'd.

[Lysander]

I'm sure I didn't DOT the mob or anything. It just reaggroed me because of the 35+ rule I think.

Also I found this thread with people saying the invis should wipe until invis breaks: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=854214

Any other necro with a circlet have any advice on how to use this things for splitting? It doesn't seem as godly as everyone claims it to be if it can't keep you safe after you stand up. Do I just have to /q after every feign?

[thebutthat]

I read from this guide that: "If a mob cannot see invis and you invis right after standing up (eg, a Ring of Shadows click), it should clear aggro. This is how Necros and SKs clear aggro using a Circlet of Shadow.

This is an old bit of information. It does not work like this anymore, it was nerfed quite some time ago. You use to be able to do that, and it made necro's amazing pullers.

Now you have to work with memblur mechanics associated with the mob. Mobs with a static spawn point, will have a chance per tick to memblur while your FD when they return to there spawn point. Pathing/roaming mobs do not share the same chance per tick and will often require several FD attempts (or just /q out) to wipe aggro.

[bwe]

If that's the case why spend 20k on a circlet when you could get a postnerf and a gazughi ring for much cheaper

[thebutthat]

If that's the case why spend 20k on a circlet when you could get a postnerf and a gazughi ring for much cheaper

Are they up to 20k? Last I saw they where around 12. But because its clickable from inventory and still an instant invis click makes it superior than having the other two. Also its self only so you dont have to go through the extra step of targeting yourself when breaking charms.

There does come a point when price outweighs its value. If they're up to 20k, it maybe better to just carry a few invis rings you cannrecharge and roll with the gobby ring.

[xabler]

I remember Circlet of shadow going for millions in Live. Its an amazing item. Just cuz it was 12k a month ago that don't mean it will stay at that price. Buy one right now if u can afford it at 12k-30k cuz it will only go up. Elder beads jumped from 30k to 100k after it was nerfed and now people want 300k-500k for them?

[thebutthat]

I remember Circlet of shadow going for millions in Live. Its an amazing item. Just cuz it was 12k a month ago that don't mean it will stay at that price. Buy one right now if u can afford it at 12k-30k cuz it will only go up. Elder beads jumped from 30k to 100k after it was nerfed and now people want 300k-500k for them?

I'd have to argue those are tunnel cat prices. They pretty much swawp between themselves with the occasional person locking down a lottery item/saving up and taking one off the market. This day in age, it's absurd to pay those crazy asking prices for elder beads. Carry a bag of stalking probes. 500 plat, and you have 50 charges. Throw an extra in the bank for recharges, they're dirt cheap to recharge.

CoS, is definately nice, but over carrying a gobby ring and invis rings, your just paying a convenience charge to not have to swap a ring and target yourself. I've had mine from before the nerf, but I would certainly say 12-15k is worth it. If they go over 20k, naaaah...that's money well spent else where.

[Lysander]

I'd have to argue those are tunnel cat prices. They pretty much swawp between themselves with the occasional person locking down a lottery item/saving up and taking one off the market. This day in age, it's absurd to pay those crazy asking prices for elder beads. Carry a bag of stalking probes. 500 plat, and you have 50 charges. Throw an extra in the bank for recharges, they're dirt cheap to recharge.

CoS, is definately nice, but over carrying a gobby ring and invis rings, your just paying a convenience charge to not have to swap a ring and target yourself. I've had mine from before the nerf, but I would certainly say 12-15k is worth it. If they go over 20k, naaaah...that's money well spent else where.

The discussion of price makes me wonder, since I did spend my entire life savings on the circlet. I think the infinite invis charges makes it worth it since now I can scope out dungeons and bank in peace.

I'm surprised that you don't think 20k is worth infinite invis. I see lots of items for sale around here, and some of these do not look that useful but cost lots of money as well, just for marginal increases in +HP/Wis/Int over other droppable gear, but for some reason cost so much more than their counterparts. I can think of lots of things. Not quite what I would spend my money on as a caster if I saved it instead, when you can get so much very acceptable gear for 500p or less.

For example Ice Silk Pantaloons goes for 14k for some reason.

[Canelek]

Wow. All the artificial price-setting here.

Don't buy for more than 11-14K, folks. There are an ass-ton in circulation and plenty of sellers who are willing to part with one for a fair price. 20K+ a recent gouging effort by the tunnel rats.

[Nixtar]

Still haven't payed more than 12k for a CoS. Do not believe the hype. The people auctioning them off for 20k+ have probably not sold a single one. They're still plentiful.

A+ for effort from the EC flippers in this thread though.

[Triiz]

If Chardok 2.0 is ever released Necro's and every other class that can cast invis over level 49 will have access to a 2.0 second cast time unlimited Gather Shadows ring (https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_of_Stealthy_Travel). Not instant, but better than the nerfed CoS 5 second cast time.

I remember Circlet of shadow going for millions in Live.

It wasn't farmed 24/7 for 5+ years on Live. Elder Bead's only dropped for 4 or 5 months on P99, not 4 or 5 years.



For example Ice Silk Pantaloons goes for 14k for some reason.

Ice Silk Pants go for 14k because they are expensive to make and have like a 50% chance of failing the combine. If a tailor buys the mats paying 1k per Ice Burrower Silk it's close to 7k per combine.

[bwe]

Lol flippers are saying it's worth 40k now

[Lobus]

offering 10k for pre-nerf CoS

[Nixtar]

Lol flippers are saying it's worth 40k now

Feel sorry for the people actually falling for this crap. Even worse for those who get scammed into trading for "equally valuable" items.

[Bristlebaner]

I'd say pre-nerf CoS is worth 31.4k.

[Pezy]

It's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. There's no regulations setting prices around here, it's all free market. Someone wants to buy a CoS for 40k? That's what it's worth.

[Nixtar]

It's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. There's no regulations setting prices around here, it's all free market. Someone wants to buy a CoS for 40k? That's what it's worth.

So if I auction it for 100k tomorrow, does that mean someone wants to pay 100k for it? Oh snap, Imma get rich! Free market, hells to to the yeah! Why stop there?! 200k!

[Pezy]

So if I auction it for 100k tomorrow, does that mean someone wants to pay 100k for it? Oh snap, Imma get rich! Free market, hells to to the yeah! Why stop there?! 200k!

Yeah sure, let's pretend that's what I said. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Nixtar]

Yeah sure, let's pretend that's what I said. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I just made the point that just because someone auctions "WTS pre-nerf CoS 40k" does not mean that's suddenly what people pay for it.

The pre-nerf CoS is in a weird place. It used to have such high status on live and the EC fat cats are dying to make that happen on P99. More than one of these EC flippers have been confirmed to log on different characters to auction the same items just to manipulate wiki pricing logs.

So rather than taking the road of compliance and coughing up unreasonable amounts of plat for an overfarmed item I rather spread the word it is still easily attainable.