Dispel Counter Mechanics

[Lysander]

Hi everyone, I have a question as to how dispel works on this server. I already read this thread which had an explanation from one of the developers that was very helpful: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172383

I just have a couple more questions. If a spell like Cancel Magic does not completely dispel a spell, and only removes a counter, like Haynar describes, does the duration or magnitude of the spell decrease at all, or anything like that? Or are the counters simply an all or nothing deal for the effect to stay on?

Also, is there a place we can look up the strength of a spell, to know if cancel magic will be sufficient or if we need a higher level one, rather than manually testing it out ourselves?

[loramin]

I'm not sure about Cancel Magic, but I'm pretty sure that if you use Cure Disease/Poison and it doesn't fully remove a DoT, it reduces that DoT's duration proportionally.

Or at least that's how I remember them working ... to be honest I very rarely use either spell anymore.

[Nagoya]

is it me or i never get dispelled by mobs anymore since that change?

[Triiz]

I'm not sure about Cancel Magic, but I'm pretty sure that if you use Cure Disease/Poison and it doesn't fully remove a DoT, it reduces that DoT's duration proportionally.

Or at least that's how I remember them working ... to be honest I very rarely use either spell anymore.

Cure will remove it instantly if you remove enough counters and give you a "Your target has been cured" message.

is it me or i never get dispelled by mobs anymore since that change?

It's just you.

[Nagoya]

Good to know!

[Bummey]

is it me or i never get dispelled by mobs anymore since that change?

If an enemy casts a (player version) dispel, like cancel magic, not like a glimmer drake or watchful guard casting an aoe dispel which still removes them from top to bottom, it seems more random and unaffected by junk buffs in the top slots now. I've had level 30 mobs in TOFS cast cancel magic on me and it'll dig through 13 buffs to get POTG in the 14 slot.

[Jimjam]

Sometimes client and server disagree on the order of your buff icons.

[Tortok]

Sometimes client and server disagree on the order of your buff icons.

I'm trying to figure this out currently. My theories, though couldn't verify by now when client/server get out of sync on (de-)buff order:
- dispelling
- rebuffing an existing buff; at least on the client the buff will jump to the first free slot. Iirc on live it stayed where it was, so maybe p99 server also does not change the buff slot number in this case.

[Ortnit]

I also noticed a couple of times that my bufforder was different after a relog/disconnect or maybe even after zoning (not sure about the last one).

[Triiz]

Sometimes client and server disagree on the order of your buff icons.

Yeah this is true^^

From 2015 -

Dispell is not random.

Cancel Magic (9) always removes top slots, unless the buffs got reordered on client compared to what server thinks.

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Haynar's opinion on other peoples opinion of the P99 dispel system vs. Live, just found it while I was looking for the above quote


You can argue all you want. You can reference ancient posts where people guess how it works. I took a shit load of data to make one of the best efforts to date in reproducing this classic mechanic. Many thanks to all those that dug up info, that helped me get this working right.

For those that want to continue arguing that I got it wrong. STFU, delete all your chars, and go play somewhere else. Clearly I did not do this for the ungrateful bastards who have an over inflated sense of self entitlement.

Haynar'd

[Tortok]

I also noticed a couple of times that my bufforder was different after a relog/disconnect or maybe even after zoning (not sure about the last one).

Zoning should have same effect as relogging in that regard. Wasn't there a command to reload the UI :confused:
That could do also to get them back in sync...