ClassicQuest That Matters - The Case For a Smaller VT Window

[Baylan295]

I am, admittedly, an epic-seeking enchanter with a huge bias in this matter. Nonetheless, based on the research that I have done, I believe the Verina Tomb spawn window is distinctly unclassic. This thread is an attempt to, at the very least, make the case for a different and more-classic-like variance than the current five day window.

First, the evidence which (presumably) has lead to the neckbeardiest of camps for any epic mob (in my humble opinion):

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60394

Our Lord and Elfquest savior, Nilbong, indicates that Verina Tomb will be a 2-7 day spawn in this thread. I've yet to see any other evidence that the decision was made off of any information other than that presented in that thread. So - what evidence did we base it on? A wonderful, but out of timeline resource. The resource? http://enchanter-epic.bjornstar.com/jeb.html - now, undoubtedly, bjornstar has been a great resource for the Enchanter epic quest. In fact, much of the modern wiki now appears to be based upon his research. However, the bjornstar website also said very different things when in timeline.

I present the following, in-timeline links from the same source, which state VT is a 48 hour spawn:

Just after timeline - Feb, 2002 -http://web.archive.org/web/20020206052105/http://www.bjornstar.com:80/modani.html

Dec, 14, 2001 - http://web.archive.org/web/20011214034733/http://www.bjornstar.com:80/modani.html

Oct 20, 2001 - http://web.archive.org/web/20011020132634/http://www.bjornstar.com:80/modani.html

Aug 13, 2001 - http://web.archive.org/web/20010813054632/http://www.bjornstar.com:80/modani.html

June 19, 2001 - http://web.archive.org/web/20010619081733/http://www.bjornstar.com:80/modani.html

April 5, 2001 - http://web.archive.org/web/20010405003747/http://www.bjornstar.com:80/modani.html

March 31, 2001 - http://web.archive.org/web/20010331115107/http://www.bjornstar.com:80/modani.html

Feb 5, 2001 - http://web.archive.org/web/20010205051600/http://www.bjornstar.com:80/modani.html

.... You guys get the point. Every single iteration of the same source used to create the 5 day window specifies that it is a 48 hour spawn during the era.

Now, a few other things weigh in favor of this as well:

There is no identified Vessel Drozlin spawn (from this source)
Illia's consistently indicates that there is a window, but it is MUCH SMALLER than the 5 day window identified by Diku
There are no other mobs (to my knowledge) with a spawn window this wide, including all of the Kunark dragons.


Now, as for what the window actually should be... (pulled from this page - http://web.archive.org/web/20020120143840/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com:80/search.shtml?id=5235):

Sept 24, 2001 - I camped her straight for 50+ hours. And finally got her! She is on a 48 hour spawn + 10% = 52.8 hours. Trust me - it's true. Best thing you can do is: time it after a patch and wait at her spawn point after 48 hours have past.
Aug 26, 2001 - Did they nerf her spawn from 48 hours to 48 TO 90 hours? She should have spawned by now (I had it down to the minute) and it is now 5 hours past spawn time. =( I think they screwed both Vessel and Verina up.
Apr 16, 2001 - o start off she has to be one of the easiest lvl 60 I've ever encountered while playing EQ. First I rolled a dark elf and placed him right where she spawns. I checked in everyone day to see if she spawned. Her spawn time is 48 hours. Finally she was there when i logged on. I called in for reinforcements, but it was 7 am and no one was on. Ended up with 1 lvl 58 war, 1 lvl 60 pally, a lvl 56 cleric and me a lvl 59 enchanter. Yes that was all it took to take her down... The war used an DE illusion and pulled her to the 3rd gate zone line. I tashed and slowed. The pally and war bashed her to death. She kept on casting spells which were mostly resisted. She only tried CHing twice, just keep her stunned. Most funny part was, the cleric only casted 2 heals throught out the whole fight. Would have been able to taken her down with just 1 tank. On a side note, there is a roaming guard near the 3rd gate zone line, you can either kill or have him mezed. She does not have any faction hits.


Now, the conclusion I have reached is the following:

The evidence used to create the 5-day window is not in-era.
The in-era evidence which exists suggests a 48+ hour spawn time, with some variance.
There is no clear evidence (that I have found) that the total spawn would be GREATER than 90 hours (3.75 days). There is evidence (at the same link above) of at least 73 hours passing between spawns.


As a result, I propose a more-classic spawn window of 48-96 hours. I have found no evidence of anyone camping more than ~50 hours to get her to spawn, and the anecdotal evidence suggests that she is at least a 48 hour spawn, with a window that opens up to 73+ hours. Given the ~50 hour number that is a reoccurring theme... it seems pretty logical that a 48 hour spawn window would be a fair conclusion - after a 48 hour respawn timer.

[Seiter02]

A+ detective work. I also thought it was strange that she would have this variance in classic given that no other mobs from this era exhibit this type of window.

[Bummey]

Good work. Let's fix this garbage bottleneck. And make Drozlin the same.

[Triiz]

Great post man.

I've also did some reading on this lately and I haven't been able to find a single 1999-2001 post that suggests what we currently have is classic. Surely over multiple years an extremely frustrated Enchanter would've taken to the internet to complain he camped one of the two mobs for more than 100 hours?

It seems very uncharacteristic of P99 to base spawns off of a guide with Luclin models on the front page (disgusting) when that very same guide with Classic models ( thumbs up) completely contradicts the Luclin version. As OP mentioned, it's also unprecedented in the game for this era for such an absurd window.

[Benisato]

On live, it was not "Classic" to have as many free accounts as you felt like making, you had to pay for your accounts. The bottleneck created by VT and VD is kind of ridiculous. I have seen as many as 10 different enchanters / lvl 1 characters parked watching these spawns.

I didn't do the enchanter epic on live, but I do remember this ERA, there were a lot more enchanters with their epics than on here, epics in general,. Especially after the PoH revamp (don't get me started on the PoH staff for mages, 800k .. really?!)

In all the epics I did do.. there was never this many people waiting around for anything.

I would also like to put in for a shorter window request. But I think some non classic things need to be accounted for also.

Everyone and their mom has an enchanter alt it seems like on this server. Because people race to 60 a lot faster and get bored and make more alts, (also because of free access). My first lvl 50 took something like 148 played days with lots of exploring new lands, side tracked by unknown quests etc. People know this game inside and out for the most part now.

Another factor being EQs servers were far less stable and they went down all the time, I will never forget mashing my login button to get back in, way more than 2 times a month. They seemed to patch/disconnect frequently.

Having these 2 spawns match that of Dragons seems a bit much on here.

I vote for a 1 day spawn! get some of these enchanters out of these prisons and let them enjoy the game instead of wasting away for weeks staring at empty rooms please.

[p99pally]

Also 48 hours in alt.games.everquest

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.games.everquest/verina$20tomb%7Csort:date/alt.games.everquest/hTSO-soqe-g/B97_Xcp8wn0J

[Benisato]

Pretty sure this isn's "Classic" either.. poopsocking and selling loot rights, possibly for RMT?

https://ibb.co/hQ5U8c

[Benisato]

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#Sep 24 2001 at 3:10 AMRating: Default
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Spawntime is like Verina Tomb 48hours + 10% = 52.8 hours.

Flarus Germanicus
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http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5234&p=4#comments

[Benisato]

I like this one better!, no way this is even close to classic though

NPC :: Vessel Drozlin
Vessel Drozlin
id : 106008
Full name : Vessel Drozlin
Level : 60
Race : Iksar
Class : Warrior
Main faction : Scaled Mystics
Health points : 19000
Damage : 142 to 315
Attack speed : 81%
Average melee damages : 333 per round
When killed, this NPC drops :
With a probability of 100% (multiplier : 1):
Xolion Rod (1H Blunt) - 100% (Count 1-1)
With a probability of 100% (multiplier : 1):
Words of Torment (Combinable) - 20% (Count 0-2)
Click to add an image for this NPC
This NPC spawns in :
Cabilis East

cabeast_7 : -834 / 532 / 3
Spawns every 10 min 40 sec
This npc is related to these quest :
Enchanter Epic: Test of Illusions
Killing this NPC lowers factions with :

Cabilis Residents (-30)
Crusaders of Greenmist (-30)
Legion of Cabilis (-30)
Scaled Mystics (-30)
Swift Tails (-30)

[orangemang]

#MakeVesselGreatAgain

Phayln - 60 Enchanter

[Baylan295]

#MakeVesselGreatAgain

Phayln - 60 Enchanter

Only if you let me loot the rod...

[Zorlon]

There is no evidence in any of those links of anything.

Spend your time and effort getting the GMs to discourage buying/selling loot rights. We have 2 Earthquakes a month(?) now. There are plenty of spawns to go around if you don't have to compete with plat farmers.

And to be clear, I need this piece and have been checking for VD for about 1 year now and have seen him up exactly once. I had my shot at him about 9 months ago and lost to him at 20% but I am better equipped to handle it now and will kill him the next time I get a clean shot at him, even if it takes another 9 months.

I do not support changing the spawn time. It will cheesedick any effort I've put in to accomplishing this on my own.

To the people that spend days and days on end poopsocking this, that's your choice. You don't have to waste your life waiting for this. There isn't anything you can't do in this game without the Epic item.

[Baylan295]

There is no evidence in any of those links of anything.

Spend your time and effort getting the GMs to discourage buying/selling loot rights. We have 2 Earthquakes a month(?) now. There are plenty of spawns to go around if you don't have to compete with plat farmers.

And to be clear, I need this piece and have been checking for VD for about 1 year now and have seen him up exactly once. I had my shot at him about 9 months ago and lost to him at 20% but I am better equipped to handle it now and will kill him the next time I get a clean shot at him, even if it takes another 9 months.

I do not support changing the spawn time. It will cheesedick any effort I've put in to accomplishing this on my own.

To the people that spend days and days on end poopsocking this, that's your choice. You don't have to waste your life waiting for this. There isn't anything you can't do in this game without the Epic item.

You will note the OP has absolutely nothing to do with Vessel - that’s idle chatter with some of the chanters I have been socking Vessel with the last few days. The OP is about Verina. And the point is that the exact same source that was used to create the 5 day window contains different in-era information related to Verina. If the source was good enough to create that spawn time, it’s at least persuasive to change it.

At one point this server had a two hour Vessel spawn time, and many other i in classic bits. The point of this server is to replicate the classic experience - and evidence indicates that, at least for Verina, there is no reason for this window. The reason this one caught my attention is because I have to deal with it and the window is so much larger than any other spawn in the game (to my knowledge). Even the famed Stormfeathwr camp has not gone with no spawn as long as the 120 hour window that VT can go - as far as I know.

Finally, I don’t really care about cheesedicking your efforts. I have my VT piece - this is about making it better for others later. I’ve also never heard of anyone selling VT/VD loot rights, so I don’t think that’s an issue, unless it’s happening on some RMT Black Market.

[loramin]

I do not support changing the spawn time. It will cheesedick any effort I've put in to accomplishing this on my own.

:rolleyes: You do realize this project is about re-creating classic EQ as accurately as possible, not ... anything to do with your lactose covered member?

[Triiz]

Spend your time and effort getting the GMs to discourage buying/selling loot rights. We have 2 Earthquakes a month(?) now. There are plenty of spawns to go around if you don't have to compete with plat farmers.


How many times, in the history of this server, has someone sold Verina loot rights? In my multiple years of playing here, I've never seen it. I've seen multiple people ask, and never get a response.

Anyone that could solo her could easily make more plat elsewhere, and any guild/group that'd be willing to sock her could definitely make boatloads of more plat elsewhere. It's not people selling loot rights killing VT, or VD.

It doesn't matter if we have 2 or even 10 earthquakes a month, if the spawn isn't classic then it's not classic and needs to be changed. P99 isn't Luclin, and this spawn is based off a guide from Luclin when the same guide from Velious contradicts it.

[nilbog]

Fixed, pending update

-Verina Tomb will be a 48-96 hour spawn


If further research is found, please update this thread or create a new one.

[Benisato]

Seems logical both VT and VD would be updated with the same window, no?

[Benisato]

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Spawntime is like Verina Tomb 48hours + 10% = 52.8 hours.

Flarus Germanicus
57th Dark Elf Beguiler
Ragor Fettwiesau
55th Ogre Myrmidon
-Divide et Impera- Bristlebane

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5234&p=4#comments

This seems like the most likely formula they would have used when creating this spawn timer, to allow it to slowly get later and later so people of different time zones could get these 2 spawns..

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I would suggest Vessel Drozlin as well to that list. same spawn window size as Verina.

http://www.asgardguild.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10777636


Another post stating the spawn timers are the same..

[Triiz]

Good work Baylan. I have to say it's crazy to me that over the years you are the first person to find/post this evidence, maybe I'm just pessimistic but I did not expect it to be changed, especially so quickly.

Seems logical both VT and VD would be updated with the same window, no?

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

It is logical VT and VD would have the same window, but there is solid evidence for VT to have a shorter window and there isn't the same evidence for VD. The Velious version of the guide that VT spawn was based off of doesn't even have a timer for VD, and the Luclin version says 2 - 7 days. If someone finds the evidence for VD to have a shorter window it seems Nilbog is willing to change it, but I really doubt he's going to just change it because it seems like that's how it should be.

Either way, one 2 day window and one 5 day window is a hell of a lot better than it was previously.


Another post stating the spawn timers are the same..

Asgard was a p99 guild, they are talking about the p99 timers not Live in 2001.

[Caiu]

Seems logical both VT and VD would be updated with the same window, no?

You need to post a thread for VD with evidence..this thread is about VT after all.

[Rygar]

This seems like the most likely formula they would have used when creating this spawn timer, to allow it to slowly get later and later so people of different time zones could get these 2 spawns..

All mobs with spawn time over 2 hrs should have a built in variance per original developer commentary. Sometimes they give bad commentary, but there is lots of evidence backing this up.

The variance scaled with spawn time, so a 2hr mob may have minutes to the variance, where a week long mob could have a day or 2.

[Quinas]

To paraphrase Skarlorn - doing God's work up in here.

[Baylan295]

You need to post a thread for VD with evidence..this thread is about VT after all.

I welcome others to try and find the evidence to support a different or shorter timer on VD. I haven't been able to find anything of substance other than people saying VT and VD "are the same" - which isn't compelling in my eyes.

So far, the best argument I've come up with is they are LIKELY the same, and if VT is going to be 48-96 hours, then Drozlin should be as well. I don't think that's particularly compelling, and while I'd love for nilbog to acquiesce and shorten up that VD timer, I do not expect him to do so. Part of the reason I didn't post VD at the same time as VT is the lack of evidence. I think there are a couple of reasons for that: 1) VD wasn't as heavily camped, and; 2) VD wasn't camped as consistently because of his location.

That being said - this thread serves to show that the original sourcing for this spawn timer is not infallible. Thus, if someone is able to produce some solid evidence that VD belongs on a shorter timer, it will have an easier chance of being accepted by the Devs.

[P99Druid]

Vessel Drozlin should be changed as well.


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Spawntime is like Verina Tomb 48hours + 10% = 52.8 hours.

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55th Ogre Myrmidon
-Divide et Impera- Bristlebane


http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5234&p=4#comments


This came from the comments on that page. Vessel has always matched Verina's timer and was 48 hours with 10% variance during this time line. There was never anything in Kunark with a 120 hour window, no other epic mob ever had anything close to that long of a window in that era. I'm trying to determine exactly when they changed the respawn time for them, but have yet to locate this info. I'm sure it wasn't during Velious though.

[P99Druid]

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anyone have a loc on this guy... havin trouble gettin an alt there to camp him.

also anyone who thinks verina is on a 48 hour timer still can look at the over 200 hours of text i logged from when i did her.. as far as i can tell she's random 2-9 days wouldnt be suprised if they did this to vessel to =)


Based on this comment, it looks like they were changed some time shortly after Luclin launched, I'm going to go scour patch notes for it now.

[Aaeriele]

From a post on October 06, 2000:

2) Gotten 2 groups together to take out several spawns some of which are on 3 day timers. (Cazel, Bandit, Tomb, Vessel, Tangrin)

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413144216/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041-5.html

From another post that day:

On a side note, I don't know if the spawn rate of Verina Tomb has been shortened, if it's random, or if someone petitioned a repop of neriak 3rd gate, but she was up only 24 hours after the servers came up the other day after the patch. Tangrin also spawns after at most 24 hours, but Vessel still seems to be 3 days.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413145331/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041-6.html

From an October 8, 2000 post:

About the Vessel and Tomb. They seem to have a really wierd spawning pattern. On E'Ci, we thought they were on a 2 day and 2 hour spawn rate. Shun killed the Vessel at 7 pm on Thursday so I was estimating the Vessel was going to pop again at 9pm Saturday. At noon on Saturday, I went down to the sewers to check if anyone was waiting for him. Luckily, no one was, but there was the Vessel, making life hell to the newbie creatures.
He was 7 hours early... E'ci didn't go down, and the zone didn't crash (which I got from a GM) so there must be something really random about this spawn.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413143310/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041-8.html

This seems to show that Vessel was on a similar spawn timer to Verina, at least originally

[P99Druid]

I can't find anything directly stating that Vessel is a 2 day spawn, but I have found *multiple* sites confirming a 48 hour timer for verina with 10% variance. A lot of these have people saying Vessel is the same as her, but none of them directly have the timer beside his name like they do for Verina. I'm still searching. I found a Chinese site that showed Verina was 48 hours when translated to english, so this is pretty much all but confirmed now at least with her.

[Baylan295]

From a post on October 06, 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413144216/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041-5.html

From another post that day:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413145331/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041-6.html

From an October 8, 2000 post:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413143310/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041-8.html

This seems to show that Vessel was on a similar spawn timer to Verina, at least originally

This is an incredibly useful resource. Has anyone been able to dig around and find the first 4 of these links? This is the 5th thread for enchanters.

[Aaeriele]

Here are all 5 threads:

Thread #1 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405003747/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum127/HTML/000004.html)
Thread #2 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405003747/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum127/HTML/000018.html)
Thread #3 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405003747/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum127/HTML/000021.html)
Thread #4 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405003747/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041.html)
Thread #5 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405003747/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum127/HTML/000048.html)

I found all 5 of them linked from the top of this Enchanter epic guide (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405001549/http://www.bjornstar.com:80/index.html) (the one you linked from the OP).

There are other threads in the same forum as well for the epic quests of other classes, you can find them just by picking different numbers at the end of the URL (e.g. 000001 is the first Bard epic thread). You can see the full list of stuff Wayback has captured (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/*) too.

[Rygar]

Here are all 5 threads:

Thread #1 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405003747/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum127/HTML/000004.html)
Thread #2 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405003747/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum127/HTML/000018.html)
Thread #3 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405003747/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum127/HTML/000021.html)
Thread #4 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405003747/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041.html)
Thread #5 (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405003747/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum127/HTML/000048.html)

I found all 5 of them linked from the top of this Enchanter epic guide (http://web.archive.org/web/20010405001549/http://www.bjornstar.com:80/index.html) (the one you linked from the OP).

There are other threads in the same forum as well for the epic quests of other classes, you can find them just by picking different numbers at the end of the URL (e.g. 000001 is the first Bard epic thread). You can see the full list of stuff Wayback has captured (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/*) too.


I searched 'Vessel' on all those threads, here are relevant tidbits found (some have already been posted:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010610063851/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000018-10.html
September 27, 2000 07:56 AM
Originally posted by Alye:
Hello all, I'm bound at the spot where Vessel Drozlin (Xolin Rod) was supposed to spawn.. well it's the closest i could get to the exact coords.

Someone posted earlier that the inside spawns we have to kill are on 12 hour clocks. If that's the case, maybe someone had beaten you to the kill

http://web.archive.org/web/20010305225600/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000048-9.html
November 17, 2000 09:26 AM
I believe they are a random and timed spawn, something like 24 hours + a random amount of time up to 72 hours or so. I play on Test which usually goes down at least once a day during the week. I have only seen Vessel up 3 times since the quest was put in and it was always on a Sunday after the server had been up a few days.

http://web.archive.org/web/20011214034733/http://www.bjornstar.com:80/modani.html
(shows Verina Tomb with spawn time: 48hrs)
Also contains picture of Vessel to verify if same look on P99

http://web.archive.org/web/20010304054854/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000048-10.html
December 10, 2000 04:17 PM
While trying to complete this quest I went looking for Modani Qu'loni at loc 539 neg 936 z 520 and he wasnt up. Cleared roamers for a bit and he didnt spawn.
Is this guy set spawn timer like Vessel/Verina?

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413144216/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041-5.html
October 06, 2000 11:31 AM
2) Gotten 2 groups together to take out several spawns some of which are on 3 day timers. (Cazel, Bandit, Tomb, Vessel, Tangrin)

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413145331/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041-6.html
October 06, 2000 04:07 PM
On a side note, I don't know if the spawn rate of Verina Tomb has been shortened, if it's random, or if someone petitioned a repop of neriak 3rd gate, but she was up only 24 hours after the servers came up the other day after the patch. Tangrin also spawns after at most 24 hours, but Vessel still seems to be 3 days.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413143310/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041-8.html
October 08, 2000
About the Vessel and Tomb. They seem to have a really wierd spawning pattern. On E'Ci, we thought they were on a 2 day and 2 hour spawn rate. Shun killed the Vessel at 7 pm on Thursday so I was estimating the Vessel was going to pop again at 9pm Saturday. At noon on Saturday, I went down to the sewers to check if anyone was waiting for him. Luckily, no one was, but there was the Vessel, making life hell to the newbie creatures.
He was 7 hours early... E'ci didn't go down, and the zone didn't crash (which I got from a GM) so there must be something really random about this spawn.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413142413/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000041-9.html
October 09, 2000 09:34 AM
Well by some miracle the Test Server was up long enough for Vessel to spawn.

NOTE: seems to imply he has a 'spawn timer', meaning he only spawns X hrs after server is up, different from re-spawn timer after death. Next few posts say the same as well.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010304025632/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000021-8.html
September 29, 2000 03:16 PM
About
Verina and Vessel, I know Vessel was killed before the patch, but i checked both spawns right after the patch and they weren't there, so I'm thinking they take there full spawn time before they even spawn the first time.

I think I should start checking the new server and when I see it spawn I'll know.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010303162733/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000021-10.html
October 01, 2000 03:07 AM
Back to the quest. I finally got to meet Jeb today and got the seal. Now if Verina and Vessel spawn this weekend I'll be surprised. Hopefully they are only 3 day spawns and they needed the full 3 days after the server went down to spawn.
NOTE: Above was just speculation, for what its worth.

Found this other thing about Verina too:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010303155144/http://forums.castersrealm.com:80/eq/Forum127/HTML/000021-11.html
PS. Verina Tomb seems to be spawning every 2 days now on fenin (very easy if you mana sieve her)

[Baylan295]

Stay tuned friends, for an update on my VD argument. Anyone who can dig in and spend some time researching for today would be appreciated. Feel free to send me your finding via PM if you’d rather stay anonymous.

[Baylan295]

Bump for my VD post:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2702518&postcount=1