Griffenne blood drop rate

[Diogene]

Wiki & allakhazam mentions Griffenne Blood dropping from Griffenne, griffon, griffawn.
http://wiki.project1999.com/Griffenne_Blood

I tried to farm this several times for hours on end, and only griffennes seem to drop it (drop rate is really really low). I also commissioned other players and they never got back to me with a drop from other griffons or griffawns. Only griffennes. This is right now almost impossible to farm this for the qeynos cultural armor. That is a big bottleneck. Can a dev confirm it is actually dropping from griffons and griffawns in North Karana ?
If not would it be possible to modify this ?

Kindly

[Diogene]

Basically griffennes are a rare spawn amongst other griffs, and blood is a rare drop.
It shouldnt be like that.

[Baler]

Basically griffennes are a rare spawn amongst other griffs, and blood is a rare drop.
It shouldnt be like that.

Can you please submit proof? I'm not saying you're wrong but the wiki isn't proof.
Do some searching on waybackmachine (http://archive.org/web/).

edit: I've seen the devs bump up drop rates on items but you have to give them some evidence. Just asking wont cut it.

[Just facts]

Basically griffennes are a rare spawn amongst other griffs, and blood is a rare drop.
It shouldnt be like that.

This thread seems to disagree with you, regarding drop rates.
Looked like the rate got much more common later with added zones.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=14891

[Just facts]

Wiki & allakhazam mentions Griffenne Blood dropping from Griffenne, griffon, griffawn.
http://wiki.project1999.com/Griffenne_Blood

I tried to farm this several times for hours on end, and only griffennes seem to drop it (drop rate is really really low). I also commissioned other players and they never got back to me with a drop from other griffons or griffawns. Only griffennes. This is right now almost impossible to farm this for the qeynos cultural armor. That is a big bottleneck. Can a dev confirm it is actually dropping from griffons and griffawns in North Karana ?
If not would it be possible to modify this ?

Kindly


I used to make my plat farming this for one trade skiller who was into the armor market.
better profit then ports since I got exp at the same time, so whenever I ported someone to NK and didn't get any tells for ports for a while I would hunt them.
(pasted some none griffennes drops, I have plenty of drops from griffennes in my logs)


[Mon Feb 25 22:39:15 2013] You have slain a griffin!
[Mon Feb 25 22:39:15 2013] You gain experience!!
[Mon Feb 25 22:39:17 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Mon Feb 25 22:39:18 2013] You can't use that command right now...
[Mon Feb 25 22:39:19 2013] Your spell is interrupted.
[Mon Feb 25 22:39:25 2013] --You have looted a Griffenne Blood.--

[Fri Mar 29 22:59:40 2013] Targeted (Corpse): a griffin's corpse
[Fri Mar 29 22:59:40 2013] Stand close to and right click on the Corpse to try looting it.
[Fri Mar 29 22:59:41 2013] This corpse will decay in 7 minute(s) 16 seconds.
[Fri Mar 29 23:00:41 2013] --You have looted a Griffenne Blood.-

[Sun Apr 14 14:32:27 2013] You have slain a griffin!
[Sun Apr 14 14:32:27 2013] You gain experience!!
[Sun Apr 14 14:32:32 2013] Sil Silverstar begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 14 14:32:37 2013] --You have looted a Griffenne Blood.--


[Fri May 10 16:51:40 2013] You have slain a griffin!
[Fri May 10 16:51:40 2013] You gain experience!!
[Fri May 10 16:51:44 2013] You are too far away to loot that corpse.
[Fri May 10 16:51:45 2013] This corpse will decay in 7 minute(s) 25 seconds.
[Fri May 10 16:51:49 2013] --You have looted a Griffenne Blood.--


they drop in sky to:

tells the guild, 'Djinni Blood, Swirling Sphere of Color, Griffenne Blood'
tells the guild, 'Dried Leather, Griffenne Blood'

[Diogene]

Thanks for taking the time.
Those logs show griffins and there are none in NK. Must have been in EC or WC, and these arent common spawn. You cant reliably farm these. The only zone where you can actually farm blood is NK, but with griffons & griffawns not dropping blood, you just have to wait for a griffenne.. and griffennes are the rarest amongst the 3 species.
Regarding classic drop rate, I think its a rare drop, like most of the brewing tradeskills mats, but without griffons & grifawns, this is just mission impossible.

As for facts... the only thing I was able to find is this (from 2003 in this thread : http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=14891)
«*Don't let the name fool you, this will drop from Griffons and Griffawns too, not just Griffennes.
Not sure about the drop rate but having killed dozens of griffawns in EK, I can say that its pretty rare drop from them. Its not worth camping them for it, but if you need this stuff for Royal Temper there is no sense not to kill them for it also if you are capable.*»

[Just facts]

I'll do some hunting for the bloods tonight and see if I can get anything of any other type in NK

[Diogene]

Thats awesome, I’ll buy you some bloods if you got some ;)
That being said, how did it go ?
I’ve been farming these for long sessions of 3h+ and never got something from other griffs

[Just facts]

Zero drops from:

[Mon Mar 26 19:00:07 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 19:01:27 2018] You have slain a griffenne!
[Mon Mar 26 19:02:46 2018] You have slain a griffenne!
[Mon Mar 26 19:04:12 2018] You have slain a rabid griffenne!
[Mon Mar 26 19:04:52 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 19:07:58 2018] You have slain a rabid griffenne!
[Mon Mar 26 19:08:35 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 19:09:15 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 19:10:45 2018] You have slain a rabid griffon!
[Mon Mar 26 19:11:30 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 19:31:17 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 19:33:12 2018] You have slain a griffon!
[Mon Mar 26 19:34:22 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 20:36:33 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:24:30 2018] You have slain a griffon!
[Mon Mar 26 21:28:57 2018] You have slain a rabid griffon!
[Mon Mar 26 21:33:35 2018] You have slain a griffon!
[Mon Mar 26 21:39:26 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:39:51 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:41:42 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:41:53 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:43:04 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:44:21 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:45:33 2018] You have slain a griffon!
[Mon Mar 26 21:46:54 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:47:26 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:48:15 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:48:54 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:49:54 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:50:18 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 21:52:40 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 22:00:42 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Mon Mar 26 22:00:55 2018] You have slain a griffon!

[Tue Mar 27 17:41:15 2018] You have slain a griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 17:43:09 2018] You have slain a rabid griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 17:43:24 2018] You have slain a rabid griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 17:52:33 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 17:53:01 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 17:53:26 2018] You have slain a griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 17:53:48 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 17:54:43 2018] You have slain a rabid griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 17:55:30 2018] You have slain a rabid griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 17:56:07 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 17:57:18 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 17:59:32 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 17:59:55 2018] You have slain a rabid griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:00:49 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:02:25 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:04:56 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:05:55 2018] You have slain a rabid griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:06:55 2018] You have slain a rabid griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:07:44 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:07:55 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:08:45 2018] You have slain a rabid griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:10:06 2018] You have slain a rabid griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:10:56 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:12:04 2018] You have slain a griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:12:26 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:15:47 2018] You have slain a rabid griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:16:41 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:17:47 2018] You have slain a rabid griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:18:57 2018] You have slain a rabid griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:21:20 2018] You have slain a griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:22:16 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:23:10 2018] You have slain a griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:23:52 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:24:59 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:26:16 2018] You have slain a griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:26:57 2018] You have slain a rabid griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:27:52 2018] You have slain a rabid griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:28:40 2018] You have slain a rabid griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:29:39 2018] You have slain a rabid griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:30:54 2018] You have slain a rabid griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:32:04 2018] You have slain a griffenne!
[Tue Mar 27 18:32:35 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:33:25 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:35:15 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:36:04 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:36:36 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:40:41 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:41:44 2018] You have slain a griffawn!
[Tue Mar 27 18:42:45 2018] You have slain a griffawn!


nowhere near the drop rate numbers from this site:

https://eq.magelo.com/item/22526#dropped


From what I could see in my old log files the one place I could be sure to find a few each night was from our sky runs and the commons griffins

[Diogene]

You sir are AWESOME. Thank you thank you for that.
For instance, I have to pay 100p per blood to get some farmers going... and even at that rate, they dont find it profitable. This is driving me nuts.

[Crookstinger]

I checked the log files from my characters. I've had 10 bloods drop total on my characters, and all were either from rabid/normal griffennes, or from griffins (the ones in EC/WC). I didn't look at the drop rate, because I wasn't always in range to get the kill message as my pet was killing them. I killed plenty of normal/rabid griffons and griffawns in NK, too, but as best I could tell, none of them dropped the blood.

[loramin]

Do some searching on waybackmachine (http://archive.org/web/).

Project 1999 is not based on balance or "what's right" or "what's logical" or anything like that: Project 1999 is based purely on records of live EQ from 1999-2001.

If you can't find any proof that other griffon variants dropped the blood from back then, it's entirely possible that they didn't, and only started dropping it later on in 2002 (when the devs finally started addressing longstanding tradeskill concerns).

Just a quick check of old Allakhazam comments (the lazy man's Wayback Machine) suggests that's the case, as there aren't any comments from before 2002.

[Diogene]

Project 1999 is not based on balance or "what's right" or "what's logical" or anything like that: Project 1999 is based purely on records of live EQ from 1999-2001.

If you can't find any proof that other griffon variants dropped the blood from back then, it's entirely possible that they didn't, and only started dropping it later on in 2002 (when the devs finally started addressing longstanding tradeskill concerns).

Just a quick check of old Allakhazam comments (the lazy man's Wayback Machine) suggests that's the case, as there aren't any comments from before 2002.

i'll try to find evidence... but I get your point.

[Diogene]

I checked the log files from my characters. I've had 10 bloods drop total on my characters, and all were either from rabid/normal griffennes, or from griffins (the ones in EC/WC). I didn't look at the drop rate, because I wasn't always in range to get the kill message as my pet was killing them. I killed plenty of normal/rabid griffons and griffawns in NK, too, but as best I could tell, none of them dropped the blood.

Thanks for your contribution !