Nec - What now?

[samkds]

Here's a quick summary. Level 52 almost 53 nec. 90% of my playtime is laid back solo camps.

Equipment is decent (seems I could pull it off naked anyways). I have a pre-nerf cos and jboots.

What do I need to save up for? What's the necro's equivalent of Torpor in expenses? Should I twink another character? ? ??? ????

Thanks!

[thebutthat]

Thurg/skyshrine legs are nice to have for the clicky pet haste. Outside of that, items that elevate the class are obtained via raiding. Soulwell staff, hate book, epic. Elder beads are pretty damn nice too. So I guess that would be worth saving for.

Edit - Zheart is nice as well.

[icedwards]

Start saving up for a Zlandicar Heart. Most everything else is just padding stats on a class that can solo naked.

Feel free to roll an alt, but I wouldn't sink any serious plat into one until you hit 60 on your main. Plat comes much easier at higher levels and alts are a bottomless pit that causes wealth to evaporate.

[samkds]

Any fun things to expect 53+? Cool camps/xp spots? Been in Felwithe for the easy plats but could use a change from time to time.

[icedwards]

Time to acquaint yourself with charm killing undead - Lguk, top floors of CoM, or HS.

[Legidias]

BW giants is easy solo camp. You can probably clear most if not all camp in time to med and respawn

[commongood]

Seems zheart and slime blood cost about the same. Epic is about 10 times more useful when doing solo/duo/group content. Zheart is almost exclusively useful on raids and then only marginally so. It means you can stand up in Demi Lich with shm/dru regen and exactly not lose hp. W/o heart you will lose 4 hp per tick.

Aside from raid min/max’ing and prestige I wouldn’t recommend spending money on Zheart for a necro. It’s much more important for a chanter that has no means of healing and who will be taking hits on occasion while soloing.

Elder beads are nice, but not a must. Get much better if you get VP staff.

[commongood]

Sorry that was an aside on Zheart. In terms of other stuff, like others have mentioned, it's mainly no drop raid items. VP-staff is incredibly good, epic is great, book from PoHate is amazing. Even bracer from Velketor is nice but none of those (save epic I guess) can be purchased.

An item I haven't seen mentioned is Manna Robe. This is mostly for raiding and will "just" be great and not amazing without VP-staff but I'd recommend it if you plan on raiding. I would recommend it over Zheart for the above mentioned reasons.

Aside from that I guess there's always random nice EC-tunnel items to get like Hiero Cloak, Orb of the Infinite Void etc to bolster hp/mana.

Or go twink another char ;)

[Izmael]

Farm HS and buy beads before they are 500k+

[fastboy21]

I solo practically naked on my 60 necro...gear doesn't make much difference.

If shit goes wrong while killing something difficult I usually just flop or hit my wc cap, reset and try again. Gear is nice, but its not like the difference between a shaman with/without torpor.

Stuff folks mentioned above is nice. HEB is very good, I use them all the time.

[samkds]

So HS doable at 53? Anything worth farming at that level or would it solely be for xp?

[thebutthat]

So HS doable at 53? Anything worth farming at that level or would it solely be for xp?

You can find the Adamantite Club in the north wing, which is soloable at 53. It sells for 3-4k. There's a few other drops that sell for a few 100 plat, which will pretty much cover your peridot cost. But mostly xp, the real money comes in when you can hit South wing. Which, you can probably attempt at 58/59, but 60 will make life a lot easier.

[commongood]

Bosses in North (and beyond) can drop 55-58 spells too on the rare occasion. So could luck out and get Bedlam or Bane of Nife. But HS North is mainly for exp.

[samkds]

Thanks for all the input. Much appreciated.

[Shinko]

You don’t need beads

Eyeballs are cheap I have a bag and I never use them or need them
They are just a toy that you might use everyblue moon

Vp staff is the biggest thing you can get for a necro since it’s a spell you can’t cast

Oh and a ROA if you plan on winning the botb (fuck you necrious)

[enjchanter]

I now have a new 60 necromancer

Wat do now

[samkds]

I now have a new 60 necromancer

Wat do now

<Awakened>
Eberron 60 Erudite Enchanter
Enjamin 60 Erudite Cleric
Yxarus 60 Iksar Warrior
Fauvana 60 Erudite Necromancer




Go outside?

[Teppler]

In Howling Stones you need to start in basement before you go to north and if you're not familiar with charming you gotta learn now. I think you can maybe start soloing in north once you get to 55 or so. You're even on the lower end for basement.

[thebutthat]

In Howling Stones you need to start in basement before you go to north and if you're not familiar with charming you gotta learn now. I think you can maybe start soloing in north once you get to 55 or so. You're even on the lower end for basement.

North and basement are the same level mobs aside from the named and the key boss. No need to sit out and wait if basement is taken.

[Teppler]

North and basement are the same level mobs aside from the named and the key boss. No need to sit out and wait if basement is taken.


I'm not sure that's totally true. I used to spent countless amounts of hours in north wing. I think iirc there's a lot of the same types of mobs but the mobs that exist in north wing tend to be the higher level type and there's a certain mob that spawns in north wing that's higher level that won't spawn in basement. Basement will green out by 60 mostly while north wing will mostly stay dark blue.

And then west has a lot of the same mobs as north but then they start adding in elemental bones which are higher level than the average non boss mobs in north.

[Izmael]

I'm not sure that's totally true. I used to spent countless amounts of hours in north wing. I think iirc there's a lot of the same types of mobs but the mobs that exist in north wing tend to be the higher level type and there's a certain mob that spawns in north wing that's higher level that won't spawn in basement. Basement will green out by 60 mostly while north wing will mostly stay dark blue.

And then west has a lot of the same mobs as north but then they start adding in elemental bones which are higher level than the average non boss mobs in north.

North greens out by 58-59, at which time you have to move west. I don't think the level distribution of mobs in north is any different from the basement (except for the named mobs).

I would say North is easier than the basement if you stick to the safe ramp and don't do anything silly. Basement has lots of roamers, weird pathing and you have to deal with lawyerquesting every other time.

[Teppler]

Through my time in crypt I recommended heavily never moving onto west. North remains the best exp up to 60. The higher level mobs in West aren’t worth the trouble.

Yeah looking at the mob list of the zone it’s coming back to me now. There’s less plaguebones in north which are the lowest level skellies in the zone. Instead they have more specters that quad and sepulchers and war bones.

So my point isn’t that the same mobs are lower level in north but there’s less ‘plaguebones’ which are the lower level skellies that green out a lot sooner. This is why basement is recommended first.

[Teppler]

In my time in hs I mean. I’m spending too much time in crypt nowadays. XD

And actually now that I think about it. The bigger problem with West vs North is really that the layout isn't as friendly as soloing in basement or north and that's compounded by the higher level mobs in that area.

In north its really easy to bunch up tons and tons of mobs a few times before repops. I'm not sure you can do that in West. And I recommend practicing the bunching up tactic in basement first before north. If nothing else, you'll have more regular access to clerics who come to zone in when you inevitably die while playing this zone.

I always found the loot stronger in North too.

[thebutthat]

In my time in hs I mean. I’m spending too much time in crypt nowadays. XD

And actually now that I think about it. The bigger problem with West vs North is really that the layout isn't as friendly as soloing in basement or north and that's compounded by the higher level mobs in that area.

In north its really easy to bunch up tons and tons of mobs a few times before repops. I'm not sure you can do that in West. And I recommend practicing the bunching up tactic in basement first before north. If nothing else, you'll have more regular access to clerics who come to zone in when you inevitably die while playing this zone.

I always found the loot stronger in North too.

I felt west was superior xp wise after 58 or so. Also, being a necro, that regen clicky on the boss room key is sooo amazing. The hardest part of west is the initial break in because there isn't the safe ramp like there is in North. Once you get a foot hold, You can do double and tripple pulls all the way down to the drop down and then restart from there. Or if you're feeling comfortable with it, you can double invis to the back hall by the boss room and pull to there and get a shot at the Key boss's loot. Erudite illusion mask and rapier of orion sell for a few k still i think. North having more PH's for the club and then the mask/belt still sell for a few 100 and pretty common drops. It's less risk for probably what would equal out to the same amount of plat.

[Izmael]

I leveled like 4 or 5 characters in HS on both blue and red. Doing North post 58, in my experience, is painfully slow. West is just a lot faster, exp wise.

The main challenge in West IMO is the pit that separates the wing in two parts. The "easy" first part where you can CR by /corps'ing from the basement, and the "hard" part where you'll have to CR the old fashionned way, which means getting a north + west key, fighting back naked etc, or getting SC or getting someone to CR you (or if you've done your homework, looting a corpsed west key and maybe grabbing some backup gear from the bank).

The west pit alone can be tricky even for experienced players because if you mistime the pathers (and this will happen ever so often even to the best of us) and/or get really unlucky with calms you can end up with a pull of 12+ mobs, half of them harm touching your ass so hard, you won't even leave a corpse when you die. If you do something like 56-60 on a character in west, you'd be really lucky not to have to deal with that kind of situation at least once.

The pussy ass way of doing west is to kill everything up until the pit, then wait for the repops, but that's not really better exp than killing all of north. The good exp in west means you clear it all with your level 50 quadding weaponized pet.

To the above poster who recommends doing north to 60 - have you ever gone through level 59 in north? That would burn anything out of EQ. In west you can go through level 59 in 2-3 days and still remain almost cool and normal.

[Baylan295]

In my time in hs I mean. I’m spending too much time in crypt nowadays. XD

And actually now that I think about it. The bigger problem with West vs North is really that the layout isn't as friendly as soloing in basement or north and that's compounded by the higher level mobs in that area.

In north its really easy to bunch up tons and tons of mobs a few times before repops. I'm not sure you can do that in West. And I recommend practicing the bunching up tactic in basement first before north. If nothing else, you'll have more regular access to clerics who come to zone in when you inevitably die while playing this zone.

I always found the loot stronger in North too.

The last bit is verifiably false. Except for the boss mobs, the loot is identical in both wings because the nameds are also the same; and the West boss loot is better than the North boss.

[Teppler]

I leveled like 4 or 5 characters in HS on both blue and red. Doing North post 58, in my experience, is painfully slow. West is just a lot faster, exp wise.

The main challenge in West IMO is the pit that separates the wing in two parts. The "easy" first part where you can CR by /corps'ing from the basement, and the "hard" part where you'll have to CR the old fashionned way, which means getting a north + west key, fighting back naked etc, or getting SC or getting someone to CR you (or if you've done your homework, looting a corpsed west key and maybe grabbing some backup gear from the bank).

The west pit alone can be tricky even for experienced players because if you mistime the pathers (and this will happen ever so often even to the best of us) and/or get really unlucky with calms you can end up with a pull of 12+ mobs, half of them harm touching your ass so hard, you won't even leave a corpse when you die. If you do something like 56-60 on a character in west, you'd be really lucky not to have to deal with that kind of situation at least once.

The pussy ass way of doing west is to kill everything up until the pit, then wait for the repops, but that's not really better exp than killing all of north. The good exp in west means you clear it all with your level 50 quadding weaponized pet.

To the above poster who recommends doing north to 60 - have you ever gone through level 59 in north? That would burn anything out of EQ. In west you can go through level 59 in 2-3 days and still remain almost cool and normal.

I did up to 60 in HS north and I spent a lot of time at 60 in every wing in HS. It was my home for months. North is where I spent the most time.

I always found West more dangerous, slower and worse loot. Basically inferior at every aspect but I guess different styles of play handle this all differently.

Testing around I could never find a spot I liked as much as safe hill in basement or the hall after the picture in north.

While the person above says North is painfully slow at 59 I find it to be hands down some the fastest EXP in the game outside of being a bard or chardok AOE. In fact, when I PL people, my favorite spot for upper level PL is HS north because it has the best mix of being safe and mowing down mobs.

[thebutthat]

The last bit is verifiably false. Except for the boss mobs, the loot is identical in both wings because the nameds are also the same; and the West boss loot is better than the North boss.

I think he was referring to the fact there are 3 spawn points for named mobs in north vs 1 in West (not counting key bosses). I'd say sheer volume of drops is higher in North even if you're clearing the named in West. Although, I'd never recommend either wing for a source of income, and would recommend burning through to 60 in west so you can farm South.

[Teppler]

Kind of bugs me that that guy is using a term like 'verifiably false' when he's talking to people who have played the zone for countless hours and he's looking at a loot drop sheet.

Not to mention, if you're in this for solo exp, you aren't dealing with either north or west bosses.

[Baylan295]

Kind of bugs me that that guy is using a term like 'verifiably false' when he's talking to people who have played the zone for countless hours and he's looking at a loot drop sheet.

Not to mention, if you're in this for solo exp, you aren't dealing with either north or west bosses.

The loot is the exact same. Are there more drops in North? Sure, if you are clearing the entire wing, but the loot quality is identical for everything the boss mobs. Usually when people say “better” they are referring to quality - so if the OP mean quantity, I’m sorry for assuming he mean quality.

Kind of bugs me that that guy is assuming I’ve never spent any time in hs and am just looking at the drop sheet.

[Izmael]

Not to mention, if you're in this for solo exp, you aren't dealing with either north or west bosses.

I dunno. On an enc, the bosses are trivial at 54, I'm not even talking about 58+.
I have no doubt a 55+ nec can take them out just as easily.

I wonder what other classes can reliably solo the north/west bosses, without having raid buffs / countless wort pots / being a soulfire nerd etc.

I never played a monk, can a monk kill one of these level 50 boss mobs?

[Teppler]

Having to deal with the boss in the north is a pain in the ass with necro. You have enough time to kill the wing basically before repops, going for boss is a novelty.

Chanters have an advantage in that they can lull biles and festers to single pull him easier.

[thebutthat]

Not to mention, if you're in this for solo exp, you aren't dealing with either north or west bosses.

West boss is very feasible for solo xp for 58+. You can pull that whole back hall, and then start breaking the pit while waiting for PH's. It's actually easier than north key boss imo, because he's not surrounded by 8 mobs that may or may not be undead for you to lull.

If this is something someone would be interested in, I'd recommend pulling the boss +1 add, so you have a back up pet when your pet gets killed.

If you keep the back hall cleared and are able to nab a few from the pit, it translates to about 2-3% xp in 59 per 20mins~

[Izmael]

I think one thing we can all agree on here is that level 59 sucks any way you put it.

[thebutthat]

I think one thing we can all agree on here is that level 59 sucks any way you put it.

I pushed an enc and nec through HS at 59. I felt like 54 sucked more but....yeah. it's a grind.

[Teppler]

Yeah I found upper 50s as Necro an utter breeze. Like 10x faster than lower 50s. Necro is one of those classes that just keeps getting stronger as it levels while most others get weaker.

[Triiz]

For a charming class it's debatable if West is better xp than North at 57, but West is absolutely better xp than North at 58, 59, and 60. West also has the added benefit of very rarely being camped compared to North, and being a lot more fun in my opinion.

I guess a Shammy may be better off sticking to North till 60. Seems like even just dropping into West solo would be difficult for a shammy depending on what's spawned.