Peridots for Ports

[Wfrench1234]

Just a general question I’d like some opinions on. I’m a monk and I prefer to carry gems on me instead of coin to keep weight down. When I get a port from someone typically I will pay in peridots. So my question is : is this a common thing and does it annoy you when someone does this? I’ve never had anyone complain about it but I don’t know if people are just keeping it to themselves and deep down they are pissed.

Just to give complete info I’m level 60 and typically give 4-5 dots for each port.

[Sonderbeast]

Why would anyone ever be upset over being paid in gems?

[beargryllz]

Maybe some people *want* to be weighed down by more coins?

[Bboboo]

Never cared if I was paid with gold/silver/cop...well fuck you if you pay in copper actually.

[Baler]

5 Peridots at level 60 is the minimum you should be paying unless you're running short on, on hand plat value.

Peridots are 10p max vendor value on the server, but people will never get the full 10p.
So 5 of them is more like.. 45-49p

It's perfectly valid for monks/anyone to pay in gems if the value adds up.

[Wfrench1234]

Why would anyone ever be upset over being paid in gems?

Not sure, that’s why I’m asking. I never thought anyone would be upset, but then I never thought to ask either.

As far as 5 dots (50p) being minimum for a port...damn. Guess I can’t afford ports. My main has 1.3k in the bank right now. I thought I was being reasonably generous but I guess not.

[Sonderbeast]

5 Peridots at level 60 is the minimum you should be paying unless you're running short on, on hand plat value.

Peridots are 10p max vendor value on the server, but people will never get the full 10p.
So 5 of them is more like.. 45-49p

It's perfectly valid for monks/anyone to pay in gems if the value adds up.

I think it's up to the person to decide how much is fair for a port. It's a tip after all, if you disagree with me take it up with Tupakk, he should be paying his porters more.

[Baler]

I think it's up to the person to decide how much is fair for a port. It's a tip after all, if you disagree with me take it up with Tupakk, he should be paying his porters more.

As a person who has fought against DaP and their monopoly stranglehold lead by their tyrant king tupakk. I am in no way advocating the unreasonable prices they think they could charge.

My rule of thumb has always been 50p for normal ports & 60-100 for special cases. (at level 60)
If you're level 60 and you can't afford 50p for a port maybe you have other problems besides trying to find a port.

As far as 5 dots (50p) being minimum for a port...damn. Guess I can’t afford ports. My main has 1.3k in the bank right now.
That's 26 ports right there. But pay w.e you want don't let me tell you otherwise.
Consider better money management and avoid pointless spending.

Hopefully a DaP member doesn't try to shoehorn their propaganda into this thread about how people don't pay enough.

[Sonderbeast]

As a person who has fought against DaP and their monopoly stranglehold lead by their tyrant king tupakk. I am in no way advocating the unreasonable prices they think they could charge.

My rule of thumb has always been 50p for normal ports & 60-100 for special cases. (at level 60)
If you're level 60 and you can't afford 50p for a port maybe you have other problems besides trying to find a port.

Why stop there? People who can afford Holgresh Elder Beads for 400k should be tipping at least 10k per port right?

[Baler]

Why stop there? People who can afford Holgresh Elder Beads for 400k should be tipping at least 10k per port right?

I knew this was coming... no that's not how it works stop being cheeky.
You've got my words twisted.

[skarlorn]

Dots are loved by all because you get the dopamine hit when you sell them. Tip 50p at high levels, if you can't afford it it's time to figure out how to make some plat. Tipping 50p makes it easier for porters to help on crs for free and port poor lowbies for little.

[Sonderbeast]

The solution to this whole issue is to delete all chat windows, just play druid and wizard and play single player.

[Foxplay]

Anything of value works fine for a donation, even if its heavy as hell....druids can be at a vendor in about 10seconds as there is several rings with a vendor right at them

[Wfrench1234]

My platinum situation aside (I never win rolls on anything of value..:I still sell bone chips in EC) it seems like the consensus is people don’t mind being paid in gems. That’s good to hear.

[Handull]

I carry a stack of Star Rubies on my monk. 1 is good for a port or rez, 2 if it was a special circumstance. Also can vendor one if I need plat to recharge something like root nets in the middle of no where. Can buy more of them anywhere as needed.

[Tupakk]

Trick from AM, /q after a port and log an alt for a while.

Fuckyou. We know who you are.


To the rest. Dots are fine. Like Fox said anything that sells works. Obviously we like raw plat. We are understanding for the most part but common sense allows us to determine if someone is lying or not. Don’t be cheap and we won’t be greedy this last year we have found a nice middle ground in the community. DaP provides a great social and economic advantage to the server for any one wanting to turn a new leaf or just make some coin on the side. Hell even new players flock to us first. That’s what it’s all about.


Baler ILU

[brandonb1029]

I tip in malachites and lapis lazulis. I'd consider sparing up to 5 of those for your time.

Not really... Although it seems the better off the player is, the less they spare.

[scrapiron7]

I usually only pay 10 pp for a port, but my 2 guys are only level 28 and 22.

[d3r14k]

As a person who has fought against DaP and their monopoly stranglehold lead by their tyrant king tupakk. I am in no way advocating the unreasonable prices they think they could charge.

Well, SOME of us set our own prices. I'm probably out of the norm in that I don't. Someone sends me a tell and I usually just complete the request and accept whatever is given. Of course there are some exceptions when someone wants a pick up from somewhere out of the way like LOIO or the bottom of Kaesora. I've done literally hundreds of pickups like at the newbie ramp in FoB, port to somewhere, and a bind for whatever that new player can offer, which most of the time is peanuts (and I'm OK with).

Hopefully a DaP member doesn't try to shoehorn their propaganda into this thread about how people don't pay enough.

Whatever someone can pay is usually fine. The only thing that ever irks me is level 50+ dudes who think 5pp for a port is acceptable. I think a general rule of thumb is 1pp per level. Also, I have never plat shamed someone who didn't have enough.

DaP is 100% for convenience to save you the trouble of sending 50 tells to find a ride. If someone doesn't advocate it, they are very welcome to find their own alternate means of transportation. There are a ton of "freelance" porters out there not associated with us at all.

To answer the OP's question: Personally, I love peridots as a tip. They weigh less than the raw 45pp would by itself (if you're tipping 5x) and it also gives me the option to throw some to a cleric to buff myself or a party member.

[Malk]

There's nothing wrong with peridot (or other gems) tips, it's pretty common from monks and sometimes happens from other classes too.

[Baler]

Baler is blowing this DaP propaganda out of proportion, DaP is a great service for the server. DaP doesn't badger or gouge the server.

Again, Baler is just mad over some perceived wrong.

eh,. you've already proven you don't know the history here & history repeats itself.
Let's keep this civil.

[d3r14k]

eh,. you've already proven you don't know the history here & history repeats itself.
Let's keep this civil.

Having only been here a few months, I would openly admit to not knowing a lot of the history here as well. What has DaP done in the past to merit a Stalin-esque Communist Dictatorship era reception?

[Tupakk]

Having only been here a few months, I would openly admit to not knowing a lot of the history here as well. What has DaP done in the past to merit a Stalin-esque Communist Dictatorship era reception?

We’ve done nothing. He just likes to stir the pot.

The only crime we are accused of is being passionate about what we do.

[Gozuk]

Who's the best tipper on the server?

[Tuljin]

Any salable gem is legitimate currency on P99 as long as the platinum works out after they are sold. Monks have been carrying gems instead of coin forever.

50pp at level 60 is a "standard" tip but personally I know many high level toons are cash poor. 25 or 30pp is a solid port tip, especially for mid-50s. Nubs can ride for a few plat. If you don't want people to think you have money and you actually do but want to save money on ports, bring a set of junk gear around with you and wear it. If you rock an AM/AW tag wearing some warmbody DKP shinies and you're a cheap tipper of course you are gonna be thrown some shade, its just the way shit works.

Ill share a secret - if you don't want to be disappointed don't give anybody a CS port then an evac through SG. Some people will give you 100pp, some will give you 10. What will likely happen is you will "have to wait for my buddy" and you'll find yourself soon with a full group of random nubs on their way to ToV that wont tip you on the other end of the evac because they'll treat you like the port bot they think you are.

[Saisu]

Slight hijack as I'm learning the economy: what's the tipping policy on a bind or a SoW? I'm level 21 and have tipped 5pp for a bind, and SoWs have seemed to be mostly complimentary (especially on a corpse run when you have nothing on you) as long as I run to them and they're not busy.

What about rezzes? I tried to pay a cleric after they gave me a 96% rez in Unrest, but they declined. What would be a standard tip to offer if they are in the zone?

[Jimjam]

In fairness, if someone's p99 experience largely rotates around tov there is a good chance they'll be cash poor even if they have spent a long time collecting no drop pixels at zone lines.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Dots are loved by all because you get the dopamine hit when you sell them. Tip 50p at high levels, if you can't afford it it's time to figure out how to make some plat. Tipping 50p makes it easier for porters to help on crs for free and port poor lowbies for little.

^this - i tip 50+ @ 60 depending on the flight pattern ;)

ex: ~75pp for a port to CS and succor across SG. With a ~90% success rate running it, if a port/succor happen to be in front of my face, I'll take it heh.

Then again, we have plenty of plat to donate for ports/rezzes since we spend very little on gear and spells, and whatever plat we do spend, stays in the guild economy to help others.

[skarlorn]

You consistently rag on DaP and I have never had a negative experience with them, and I have a porter in the guild. Don’t pretend to know my history on this server. I have been around longer than my forum join date bub.

great you're just another anon sh!thead too afraid to list who you really are

"wow im so edgy i have an alt forum acct'

[skarlorn]

Quick question then - how'd you twink Bibdo - what's your old forum handle - why are you on a new one

[d3r14k]

Quick question then - how'd you twink Bibdo - what's your old forum handle - why are you on a new one

*pleading the fif*

Greengrocer detected! 5,000x Sirkens have immediately been scrambled to dispatch this threat.

[Tuljin]

In fairness, if someone's p99 experience largely rotates around tov there is a good chance they'll be cash poor even if they have spent a long time collecting no drop pixels at zone lines.

Touché - but at the same time there are some droppables that people DKP for and sell to make a nice little pile of plat. Also there's a dude thats been selling Venril Sathir wiz epic MQs on EC forums and that price keeps dropping because of basic supply/demand but from what I deduce he is selling them. I get the snark in your post though and I chuckled a bit lol =)

[deniedius]

I always paid my level, seemed easy, but if money was tight less. It also makes me value the ports more and commit to where I decide to go.

[Sonderbeast]

Just a reminder to all, tipping is a choice not a requirement. Everyone is just pulling numbers out of thin air for what they think is a fair tip. There is nothing to weigh your time against valuewise and your are spending a free resource to do it. Is it worth 10p? 50p? 100p? 500p? Druid ports you, no welcome, no sow, no salutation? Not worth much.
Sond Airlines, hot elven steward, complementary snacks and your choice of up to 3 different beverages, buffs on request. Free sow, Levitation is extra. Premium Flights - worth very much.

[loramin]

One more data point: I too pay the "standard price", ie. my level in plat, to a max of 50.

I pay that for a pickup at a dragon circle/druid ring/wizard spire, or for a rez from a cleric in-zone (or maybe from a cleric one zone over when I've brought the corpse to that zone line).

If the cleric has to cross more than a zone to get to my corpse, or a porter has to pick me up somewhere else (or I need them to succor me through SG) I pay between 1.5 and 4x that. 200 plat may seem like a lot, but I think it's perfectly reasonable when I've asked (for instance) a cleric in EC to come rez me in Howling Stones ... especially since (if they're not a jerk) they'll have to pay 50p of it to get a port over.

[loramin]

EDIT: Original post was deleted after I quoted it, so this quote is all that remains.

It also makes me value the ports more and commit to where I decide to go.

This!!!

I think far too many tip poorly because they think "jeez, if I paid 50p a port I'd go broke."

Many of us remember being ported all the time on live, or we just remember being able to easily get around because of Luclin and the Planes. But when you come to P99 and don't have the wealth you had on live (or the horses/spires/books), you shouldn't keep traveling like you used to and make up for it by paying porters next to nothing ... you should simply travel less.

In other words, the solution is not to make a nice player, who is spending his/her leisure time helping other people go places faster, "suck it up" by accepting a 5p tip after they've already ported you. The solution is to bother them less often and pay them properly when you do.

[Canelek]

i pay 50 regardless of level because its irrelevant to the act

[Canelek]

Quick question then - how'd you twink Bibdo - what's your old forum handle - why are you on a new one

=D Oh come on now Filbus. I would think you would realize already that he is exploiting the CJBA (Craft Jum Brewing Alliance) for the fungi, etc cash.

Or Lancel retired his main account for this one, of course.

[skarlorn]

Or Lancel retired his main account for this one, of course.

[Moerne]

I have a druid in DaP and I love when people pay in gems! It's that much longer before I have to stop porting and make a run to the bank. I'm always carrying to much crap on me so 5 or 6 ports in can get me overweight.

Like most DaP'ers I really don't care about what people pay me for their ride, unless it's really outrageous. A level 60 in raid gear who pays 5 or 10p will rub me the wrong way. However, if they just mention that they are sorry, they ran out of plat, then it's fine. I just ask they pay it forward on their next ride with DaP. I've done a few charity ports (non-CR) for the same reason with the same price.

Honestly, I know DaP bothers some people but I think it's an amazing service. I remember the time spent on live doing a /who all druid 34-60 and *praying* you'd find a druid who wasn't anon, wasn't busy, and was willing to port for pay. It was hit or miss at best. Lowbies generally didn't have a chance unless they had a druid friend, because most druids felt it was beneath them to port low level toons. Here on P99 with dial around, it's a rare day that I can't find the ride I need, when I need it.

[brandonb1029]

Really if you do not have the plat (or whatever form of payment) to pay that should be made clear on the tell for the port.

Getting the port then apologizing means you were fully aware you were taking advantage of the person.

If you have no intention or ability to pay, you should be up front about it, regardless of level.

[Gozuk]

Having Dial around is awesome. It's a way for people to make some extra plat if they want and provides an easy way of getting around when you need it.

That being said, if I'm at say the OT ramp, and there's a Dial porter standing next to an untagged porter, I will usually ask the untagged porter for a ride probably 9/10 times. Unless their name is hard to type. That's a real deal breaker.

[Tupakk]

Having Dial around is awesome. It's a way for people to make some extra plat if they want and provides an easy way of getting around when you need it.

That being said, if I'm at say the OT ramp, and there's a Dial porter standing next to an untagged porter, I will usually ask the untagged porter for a ride probably 9/10 times. Unless their name is hard to type. That's a real deal breaker.

7 outta 10 of your 9 our of 10 the untagged porter is DaP lol.

[yzarCritS]

FWIW to the original post, I enjoy seeing a monk run up after receiving the tell for the port request. In the porting world, Monks are your fun wild card. Tips go anywhere from coppers to some new trinket they just scooped up at a camp.

While it's pretty darn rare, I have received items as tips that have sold in EC for as high as 1k. Some people are very generous. I'm guessing those are the same people who have been around for many years, but still it's generous.

[Canelek]

Most people are good about paying 30-60pp, or the equivalent in gems. I rarely port people though due to generally enjoying playing more than porting. It is a nice way to earn some cash mostly AFK for sure. It does take time and effort; especially when someone asks for a hand and you were planning on doing other things.

On the flip side, I pay 50pp for single-hop ports, either in plat or dots. If I only have a sapphire, ruby, etc, that'll be what I pay. On the rare occasion I need a gratis port due to my banking negligence, I will communicate that, and get the funds to that generous person within a day or so, and it'll be around 100pp, delivered as I can.

People are generally cool on P99 so a little effort goes a long way.

[acidosis]

Trick from AM, /q after a port and log an alt for a while.

so good

[fiveeauxfour]

take off all visible armor and pretend its a CR

[Spyder73]

take off all visible armor and pretend its a CR

A true Asgardian

[fastboy21]

I only tip about 25pp for a port...but i generally tell other people that I give about 50pp.

My thinking is that even though I only give 25 I'm encouraging others to give more, which some of them probably do due to my lie. As a result, I'm actually (in the end) contributing much more plat to the porters than if I actually donated more myself.

Its a win-win for me and the porters. Feel free to send thank you messages to me by PM.

[arsenalpow]

I always carried rubies (for mallets mainly) but a ruby was always a good port tip imo

[Tupakk]

I always carried rubies (for mallets mainly) but a ruby was always a good port tip imo

When you coming home. We miss you.

[Bboboo]

That being said, if I'm at say the OT ramp, and there's a Dial porter standing next to an untagged porter, I will usually ask the untagged porter for a ride probably 9/10 times. Unless their name is hard to type. That's a real deal breaker.

Any druid in DaP that has been porting for a while knows you make more play /anon at SF than having your tag up, at least during peak.



I always carried rubies (for mallets mainly) but a ruby was always a good port tip imo


Ported you once to Lavastorm, you ran off without paying, I assume there were precious pixels to be had.

[Splade]

The way I look at it is its money for their time. When I'm playing my necro I hit then with a twitch and 40p. When I play my Enchanter I hit them with clarity and 40p. I don't ever have complex ports and I'm always waiting and the ring. I think 40 Plat for 1 or 2 spell casts is acceptable, especially when I limit their downtime with either twitch or C

[Daloon]

7 page thread on if gems are okay for tipping

seek help

[Kaezyr D`Shiv]

Having Dial around is awesome. It's a way for people to make some extra plat if they want and provides an easy way of getting around when you need it.

That being said, if I'm at say the OT ramp, and there's a Dial porter standing next to an untagged porter, I will usually ask the untagged porter for a ride probably 9/10 times. Unless their name is hard to type. That's a real deal breaker.

C-man, /ttell

For the win. Thats your everquest tip for the evening brother. Miss you guys!

[Canelek]

I only tip about 25pp for a port...but i generally tell other people that I give about 50pp.

My thinking is that even though I only give 25 I'm encouraging others to give more, which some of them probably do due to my lie. As a result, I'm actually (in the end) contributing much more plat to the porters than if I actually donated more myself.

Its a win-win for me and the porters. Feel free to send thank you messages to me by PM.

The funny thing is, even though it is entirely classic, "tipping" and "donating" are total bullshit terms here. You either pay for a service or not. In your case, apparently, you pay cheaply. Or, you are trolling. Either way, pay more and don't be a cheap cheapass.

Donating, tipping, using apostrophes incorrectly (solo'ed, etc.)....gahhhh.

[Arkanjil]

I like tipping around 50-60 plat for ports.

[Jimjam]

I ask what item the port bot is saving for and pay the outstanding balance.

Many a Druid has had their lumni staff financed by me and any who tips less should be ashamed.

[AxerJ]

Dial-A-Port should change its name to something cool, like The Nexus.

And stop talking about "rides". You're teleporting, have some self respect!

And WIZARDS ONLY

But seriously on the first and second

and third

Druid guild could be called Joe Cabbie's Tornado Express or something about Cats, Plats, and Friendly Humble Cabbies Out Of Your Local Norrathian Phonebook

[fastboy21]

The funny thing is, even though it is entirely classic, "tipping" and "donating" are total bullshit terms here. You either pay for a service or not. In your case, apparently, you pay cheaply. Or, you are trolling. Either way, pay more and don't be a cheap cheapass.

Donating, tipping, using apostrophes incorrectly (solo'ed, etc.)....gahhhh.

How am I a troll? I pay what I think is fair for somebody to push a button for me when there are several other folks willing to do the same thing.

You hit the nail on the head: if you want a certain price to be willing and able to supply a service then you have to ASK for the price. Not getting your desired price and then making a passive-aggressive comment either face to face in-game or on the forums afterwards is nothing more than a passive-aggressive babyish nonsense.

How dare I pay what I am willing and able to pay! Just advertise a price and let the market decide what your time is really worth to hit a port button. Or don't whine when you feel short changed and expect people to actually feel sympathy for your situation.

[Baler]

A lot of people are afraid to ASK for a certain price because they're instantly be judged. However there are some that are not afraid to make a big deal if they're not paid enough in their mind.

*shrugs*

[Karthil]

Let's be real here, if you're above level 40 and you're not willing to pay 50p for a port, you're cheap. There's no if ands or buts. You can't argue your way out of it. You can argue that its ok to be cheap (though I think you're wrong), but cheap you are.

EQ isn't like real life where you have to pay rent and what-not. If you're cash-poor here it's because you'd rather buy gear than pay for ports. This is a fine mentality, but you should expect to take the boat and/or run across zones. (And if you argue about the various reagents needed for spells, I'm still not buying it: you only need those if you're out and about doing things that = money, or else your guild is probably helping out).

The reason I say you're cheap? You are demanding that people do something FOR YOU and that they should be grateful you deign to give them 25 measly plat (or whatever). It isn't just "pushing a button"; they are taking time out of A GAME to play it the way you want them to in order for you to better enjoy said game (let's also not forget the time it spends to become a druid/wiz of sufficient level to port).

If you can't cough up 50 imaginary platinum moneys for them to then better enjoy said game too, that's just ridiculously cheap.

[Baler]

Let's be real here, if you're above level 40 and you're not willing to pay 50p for a port, you're cheap.

https://i.imgur.com/q1R0MD4.gif

I think lower level players should be allowed to pay less. But that's my 2 cents.
I know of plenty of broke level 50 players, in fact many of them are broke because they don't save for key items. The ideal being they buy a Hershey kiss today rather than a chocolate bar tomorrow. The same could be said about buying ports,. buying a few ports in a day to different locations vs buying 1 port to a exp/plat location.

Sure it's not the porters fault that not everyone is loaded to the brim with plat. But it has to be kept into consideration that we come from all walks of life and play p99 for different reasons.

[Baylan295]

I’ve admittedly probably been paying my DaP porters (and I’m sorry guys! I asked my non-DaP Druid buddy and he said 30-35 pp was a pretty solid tip!). But I’ll also suggest that if you’re a lowbie, you should get your ass on the boat. My first trip to every continent except Odus was on the boat. It’s good to know how it works and where it drops you. It’s also part of the experience. I didn’t get a port til I was level 20 and could afford the 20-25 pp to make it happen.

[Baler]

I’ve admittedly probably been paying my DaP porters (and I’m sorry guys! I asked my non-DaP Druid buddy and he said 30-35 pp was a pretty solid tip!). But I’ll also suggest that if you’re a lowbie, you should get your ass on the boat. My first trip to every continent except Odus was on the boat. It’s good to know how it works and where it drops you. It’s also part of the experience. I didn’t get a port til I was level 20 and could afford the 20-25 pp to make it happen.

That is actually a very fair point. Ports are meant to save people time on traveling. Taking the boat/running is free! But I also don't think this is a bullet proof reason for porters to demand more plat. It's not like they're expending a ton of time/resources to meditate and port people. The only time they're losing is that when they're not porting and thus they wouldn't be making plat then anyways. It's their choice as a porter to sit around and wait to port people.

And as I've said in the past,. Druid is a highly populated class on p99. Even if DaP didn't exist there would be no shortage of ports. Which can also factor into why ports are so cheap in the grand scheme of things.

[Tupakk]

That is actually a very fair point. Ports are meant to save people time on traveling. Taking the boat/running is free! But I also don't think this is a bullet proof reason for porters to demand more plat. It's not like they're expending a ton of time/resources to meditate and port people. The only time they're losing is that when they're not porting and thus they wouldn't be making plat then anyways. It's their choice as a porter to sit around and wait to port people.

And as I've said in the past,. Druid is a highly populated class on p99. Even if DaP didn't exist there would be no shortage of ports. Which can also factor into why ports are so cheap in the grand scheme of things.

Errr. I would like to see numbers and facts about that last one. Yes druids aren’t a rare breed but most don’t no like to be bothered. We provide that sense of escape for those not tagged with us to fly their tag freely without constant badgering. But I know if DaP didn’t exist that the druid wizard population would decline or be constantly anon to stop the flood of tells.

@Sirken @Llandris. Can you pull the average numbers of druids on in a 24 hour period those tagged DaP and not. As well as total active druids on the server tagged vs not.

[Baler]

Errr. I would like to see numbers and facts about that last one. Yes druids aren’t a rare breed but most don’t no like to be bothered. We provide that sense of escape for those not tagged with us to fly their tag freely without constant badgering. But I know if DaP didn’t exist that the druid wizard population would decline or be constantly anon to stop the flood of tells.

@Sirken @Llandris. Can you pull the average numbers of druids on in a 24 hour period those tagged DaP and not. As well as total active druids on the server tagged vs not.

wow really trying to play scumlord guidleader I see. The proof is in the pudding bud.
You of all people should know this is true. Don't try to play games and distill your brand of the truth.

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edit: this is old but it's still fairly accurate..
http://i.imgur.com/AjySsSE.png

Time warrior paladin shadow ranger monk rogue bard cleric druid shaman wizard necro magician enchanter Total
2017/06/30 14:58 36 15 21 22 50 30 46 35 109 63 40 61 42 52 628
2017/07/01 01:10 38 28 28 31 69 42 60 56 119 80 35 71 49 78 784

And just because you don't like me tupakk doesn't mean you have to fight me.

[Tupakk]

No need for name calling I and actually curious to the numbers. It will help me decide how we do our recruiting this year honestly.

I’m not here to fight you B and I don’t hate you. Out of all the Forum trolls I think you are my favorite.

[Tupakk]

shut the fuck up tupakk

Glad to see you still like me too.

#reported

[Baler]

#reported

typical tupakk
Comes under fire because DaP isn't as required as he thinks and he starts reporting people.
If there was no DaP guild, I could still find a port 24/7.

On the topic..
There is no problem using gems as currency. I've even given items to porters that they could sell to a vendor or in EC.
like a giant's tunic that vendors for ~50p. Since as mentioned in the thread earlier druids can port to a ring and sell very quickly.
It's just as good as raw plat.

[Bboboo]

If I could go back in time I think I'd talk Supremacydru out of promoting Afeni to guild leader...

Dude needs to un-immerse himself just a tad.

[Tupakk]

You guys really aren’t that curious? How the numbers stack of DaP to not? I find it quite interesting.

[Tupakk]

If I could go back in time I think I'd talk Supremacydru out of promoting Afeni to guild leader...

Dude needs to un-immerse himself just a tad.

I am far from immersed. My game play is little to none lately.

[Baler]

You guys really aren’t that curious? How the numbers stack of DaP to not? I find it quite interesting.

You're the guild leader, shouldn't you know this stuff? What kind of operation are you running..
Also stop trying to derail the topic! This isn't a thread about DaP so stop making it about them.
The only relation to DaP this topic has is that DaP is the loudest when it makes noise.

[Bboboo]

I am far from immersed. My game play is little to none lately.

I'm not talking about video games.

[Jimjam]

How am I a troll? I pay what I think is fair for somebody to push a button for me when there are several other folks willing to do the same thing.

You hit the nail on the head: if you want a certain price to be willing and able to supply a service then you have to ASK for the price. Not getting your desired price and then making a passive-aggressive comment either face to face in-game or on the forums afterwards is nothing more than a passive-aggressive babyish nonsense.

How dare I pay what I am willing and able to pay! Just advertise a price and let the market decide what your time is really worth to hit a port button. Or don't whine when you feel short changed and expect people to actually feel sympathy for your situation.

You could send a tell to every porter on, "Looking for a ride from x to y, what is the lowest payment you'd accept? I'm paying the lowest bidder for the ride".

That way you don't have to 'feel bad' for 'paying short', it's just dutch bidding free market!

[Baler]

a lot of porters will port you for free if you give them a laugh!

[Moerne]

If there was no DaP guild, I could still find a port 24/7.



Maybe this is true, but I don't really think so. I remember trying to find ports on live pre-Luclin/PoP. Most druids and wizards were usually /anon or /role to avoid getting tells for port requests. When you did find one who wasn't, and was not in a dungeon or other area where they clearly weren't available for a port, it was hit or miss on whether they'd be willing to take the time to port you. And lowbies could expect to almost always be denied, because it was expected that they'd pay their dues and run or ride the boat.

When I started on P99 I didn't use ports to start because I expected that same attitude. I was shocked when I discovered DaP, and even then I always prefaced my request with "Are you free for a port right now?" because I wasn't used to a druid who was focused on doing nothing but porting.

I remember my first time going from Uguk with P99 friends to Unrest. They laughed because I was heading for the boat, it was what I expected we would have to do in our teens! I spent a lot of hours on the boat going back and forth from places like unrest to oasis on live. I don't miss it, I'm happy to have DaP service around.

[tarkhis]

I find this thread interesting, I leveled up a druid to buy some gear for my monk and joined DaP about 3 years ago. I always looked at DaP as a taxi service, if I do /who all dial and see someone listed I know they are on-duty and will respond and port me, its easier then doing /who druid /who wizard and being told no a lot as they are adventuring and not porting.

Back when I first joined it seemed like there wasn't a lot of threads being critical of DaP, now I see more threads but everyone I have met in DaP is good people. When on any other toon I do /who all dial to travel.

I have always viewed my time in DaP and outside as a customer service enterprise. If the person is friendly, offers other buffs etc., they get a bigger tip. If they just zoom in and out I tend to only tip 1pp per level. the whole point of a tip is to be a tip based on good customer service. I have yet to have anyone ask for a fee up front or criticize someone for any tip.

I was saddened the other day because I saw an epic geared Aftermath monk sitting at a Velious ring and inquired if he needed a ride and his reply was I have nothing on me to give ya and thought does he think just because of my Tag I will never port for free other than CRs? I buffed and ported him anyways because who amongst us hasn't gone somewhere and forgotten our wallets.

Later on that same monk without realizing it paid me back by dragging another toon of mine out of Kael.

TLDR point is tip what you can based on service and don't worry about it; DaP great group of people doing a great service

[Foxplay]

I always use DaP first over sending tells. It's simple really...

By wearing the DaP tag you know they are willing and able to port, your not asking for a favor your giving them business. When DaP goes anon it's cause they are exping / oom / or too busy to take more requests

Druids and Wizards in other guilds or not in a guild I'll only ask if no DaP is available because why bother wasting my time asking someone who may not be interested in porting me when there is a whole guild that wants to port ppl (yea they want some plat - but if you don't tip non DaP Porter's then you don't value their time and they shouldn't value yours either)

[Nexii]

I never mind getting gems on my porter. They're as good as plat and weigh nothing. Plus porting classes usually have lots of free inventory space, cause it's easy to bank

[Whirled]

I TL or port lots of players for free. It's near cringe worthy to attempt to put a plat amount for clicking an icon. Is it nice to tip people for a service? Indeed it is. Should it be required? Absolutely not, but to each their own. insert yahtzee.gif youplayyourwayiplaymine

[Sonderbeast]

Ban OP. Gems are against rules.

[Bummey]

I TL or port lots of players for free. It's near cringe worthy to attempt to put a plat amount for clicking an icon. Is it nice to tip people for a service? Indeed it is. Should it be required? Absolutely not, but to each their own. insert yahtzee.gif youplayyourwayiplaymine


This person has never played a port class.

[Whirled]

This person has never played a port class.

You assume waaaay too much my friend but please go on with telling the forum what other people have done.

[skarlorn]

Whether or not you value the time it took you to level up to a point of being able to cast that spell is up to you

enjoy being communist

[Whirled]

Now we're comparing communism to clicking a single button. Please do continue....

[skarlorn]

that's just my free gift to get you hooked, come join Off Topic for more.<3

[Tupakk]

Baler it’s hard to not talk about DaP when ports are being talked about. I’m not detailing anything.

And no I don’t have those kind of number where would I pull something like that from?

[Baler]

Baler it’s hard to not talk about DaP when ports are being talked about. I’m not detailing anything.

And no I don’t have those kind of number where would I pull something like that from?

appoint someone who is active to keep records maybe. just an idea.
It seems silly to request staff for a matter that you could collect data for. The data I presented was collected by me with /w commands in game.
this post isn't a bash against you tup

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and I mean yeah anon people could be a factor but that's not relative to my abrasive addition to this topic.

[Tupakk]

1600 people tagged DaP and counting. Anon plays a huge(Trump Huge) factor in this spread.

We try our best to make everyone join the forums now, but back in the Wild West days it wasn’t required. Now it is totally required. But even then with our data we still only account for about 900ish toons.

We don’t need to be active to collect data we just need the staff every once in a while to populate the list for us. While they do that they could easily do what I asked on page 5 and clackity clack and pump out some statistics of DaP vs Not DaP on an active day/week/month.

Side note: wanna make it interesting? Maybe play some spreads? HMU we can figure something out.

[Baler]

We don’t need to be active to collect data we just need the staff every once in a while to populate the list for us. While they do that they could easily do what I asked on page 5 and clackity clack and pump out some statistics of DaP vs Not DaP on an active day/week/month.

Side note: wanna make it interesting? Maybe play some spreads? HMU we can figure something out.
This Isn't the first time you've admitted to wasting the staffs time.
Also I don't gamble so don't hold your breath.

edit: I guess the feelings are more on my side than yours.