Maximum price for Beads

[Sprawlz]

What price do you think the beads will eventually plateau at ? Talking about the price they actually get sold/bought at, not the asked prices which can be anything.


For reference:

Manastone: useless status symbol item, goes for 300k ish
OVP, CoS: useful but overfarmed items: 15k ish
Fungus staff: useful and incredibly rare: 3 mill ?

Rest of no-longer-droppables are marginally useful and usually go for a few k's (gem encrusted ring) to a few 10s of k (runed fighter staff).


I have a feeling 500k is a decent target price for the beads.

[Spyder73]

Honestly I am surprised they ever broke 100k. I find it hard to believe any of these beads are actually selling. Lots of try-hard market manipulation going on right now from EC fat cats

Stalking probes cost 3pp

[Lhancelot]

They already being posted at 400k I suspect them going to 1mil in less than a year.

[Izmael]

Honestly I am surprised they ever broke 100k. I find it hard to believe any of these beads are actually selling. Lots of try-hard market manipulation going on right now from EC fat cats

Stalking probes cost 3pp


Casting regen is free, yet the Fungi tunics go for 40k.

It's all about convenience and having one less thing to worry about.

[SamwiseRed]

regen and fungi stack tho

[Supaskillz]

I have a Rod of Mourning. Totally OP, had to be removed. Will accept 1mil pp

[mickmoranis]

Casting regen is free, yet the Fungi tunics go for 40k.

It's all about convenience and having one less thing to worry about.

are u nuts? of the entire suit of spells, it is Regen that is the biggest mana hog for solo shaman leveling. Not to mention they stack.

[Pope Hat]

Fungi tunics are only 40k? Man, I have been gone a long time.

[mefdinkins]

Casting regen is free, yet the Fungi tunics go for 40k.

It's all about convenience and having one less thing to worry about.

I can't cast regen on my monk, war, rogue and used Fungis to solo them easy 1-50 or 1-60 for monk. Fungi is ridiculously common or it'd be going for a hell of a lot more.

[Izmael]

Only reason Fungi costs as much as it does is you cannot box to PL characters and grouping on a Melee character 1-50 is excruciatingly slow. Fungi allows you to reliably solo most Melee classes up to around 50. It's a cheap, recyclable PL of an item.

On servers where you can box Fungi isn't worth much at all since it's much better to just box a Druid and PL your Melee character.

My point is that something that improves the quality of life / saves time can cost a lot, even with an infinite supply, let alone when the supply is finite.

For someone who uses eye on a day-to-day basis, not ever having to worry about probes again is a significant QoL improvement.

Like, how much would you pay for your WC cap to have infinite charges? I would probably pay a shit ton, even though I can recharge it easily.

[Baler]

Honestly I am surprised they ever broke 100k. I find it hard to believe any of these beads are actually selling. Lots of try-hard market manipulation going on right now from EC fat cats

This

[Spyder73]

An infinite WC Cap and Elder Beads are so completely non-equivalent its ridiculous. One would actually be useful (WC Cap), the other (outside of ToV) gets used almost never or is used when not needed to show off.

[Izmael]

You are missing the point, which is to demonstrate that a slight improvement in QoL can be worth a lot of money. The point wasn't to compare two items which are obviously very different.

[bomaroast]

One of the big resellers in EC was just explaining to me how he regularly manipulates the market. He says he raised the price on beads and T-staffs. <shrugs>

This market is retarded anyways. There's no reason that shaman spells should cost 10x as much as other classes, but they do.

[Supaskillz]

I mean if you have full raid gear, you have to chase the few things that make you better in some situations. What good is 500k in your bank when there is only 1-2 upgrades available to you.

[Danth]

Honestly I am surprised they ever broke 100k. I find it hard to believe any of these beads are actually selling. Lots of try-hard market manipulation going on right now from EC fat cats

Stalking probes cost 3pp

Quite probably a lot of folks don't realize that probes even exist, while Elder Beads are a famous and widely-known item.

Danth

[skarlorn]

Analya

[Fragged]

Or Druiding around with a Robe of the Springs.

Manastone is 3:1

250 health pr 12 sec = 83,3 mana
83,3/2 = 41,7 mana pr tick

Minus the 21 mana pr tick you lose from not sitting
Minus the 15 regen you lose pr tick for not wearing a fungi = 5 mana pr tick
Minus the 3 natural regen bonus from sitting = 1 mana pr tick

Net gain with robe of the spring 41,7 minus 27 = 14,7 mana pr tick.

[Silvurwolf]

The price of beads started going up passed 100k after the leash/aoe/ &aggro nerf when standing from fd. Being able to aggro mobs and train them without having aggro still when you stand from fd is unmatched in terms of QoL and saving time (not having to wait for mobs to reset) also makes pulling infinitely less dangerous.

[Phatez]

A monk without beads can not and never will be as good as a monk with beads. Period. If you think stocking probes are an acceptable substitude then you are a sub-par monk without the appropriate clickies taking up slots. A monk needs about 40inventory slots for clickers vesides stalking probes, leaving room for maybe 1 bag of probes which is 40 charges. Sometimes you use 3-5 clicks of beads to split 1 mob.

Beads will go up in price to 750k.

[Lhancelot]

A monk without beads can not and never will be as good as a monk with beads. Period. If you think stocking probes are an acceptable substitude then you are a sub-par monk without the appropriate clickies taking up slots. A monk needs about 40inventory slots for clickers vesides stalking probes, leaving room for maybe 1 bag of probes which is 40 charges. Sometimes you use 3-5 clicks of beads to split 1 mob.

Beads will go up in price to 750k.

Translation: Beads need nerfed, or fix monks.

[Wfrench1234]

So I’m a bad monk because I cannot afford beads and have to use stalking probes out of necessity? There are plenty of other reasons I’m a bad monk but this reason is a hard one to swallow

Also breaking news : all shaman without torpor are bad at EQ.

[Lhancelot]

So I’m a bad monk because I cannot afford beads and have to use stalking probes out of necessity? There are plenty of other reasons I’m a bad monk but this reason is a hard one to swallow

Also breaking news : all shaman without torpor are bad at EQ.

Welcome to the (not)real world of p99, where min/max choices are forced or else be called a bad.

[Phatez]

So I’m a bad monk because I cannot afford beads and have to use stalking probes out of necessity? There are plenty of other reasons I’m a bad monk but this reason is a hard one to swallow

Also breaking news : all shaman without torpor are bad at EQ.

I never said your a bad monk. I said you will never be as good as you could be if you had beads!

[Baler]

Edocorb auctions, "WTS Holdgresh Elder Beads 350k'

[Izmael]

Good at reading you two are not. At no point he said not having beads meant you're bad. He said having beads makes you better.

[Maliant]

Beads are more useful than any piece of gear you can put on your monk.
Next most useful item are root nets, basically every stalking probe you have is a wasted slot where a root net could be
Third most useful item is bio orb
Fourth most useful item could be an Abashi

[Baler]

Beads are more useful than any piece of gear you can put on your monk.
Next most useful item are root nets, basically every stalking probe you have is a wasted slot where a root net could be
Third most useful item is bio orb
Fourth most useful item could be an Abashi

So without beads a monk is unplayable... Got it, thanks. :p

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Let's all continue to make up excuses for the price of items like beads and torpor.

[Maliant]

Funny troll but actually true in certain scenarios. Monk will be unplayable as a puller in HoT.

[Baler]

Funny troll but actually true in certain scenarios. Monk will be unplayable as a puller in HoT.

Not trolling, this is server chat.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Antonian_Javelin
Has 250 range,. You're telling me that monks can't use this in HoT. Please... it sounds more like beads are a luxury item rather than a requirement.

ps: I don't play monk so I could have my behind on my head.

[Maliant]

No, because of the one way wall mechanics forcing you to run all the way around otherwise. Also some of the pulls are Looong anyways and a lot of the mobs get sowed and dispel = you are going to have a bad time.

[skarlorn]

i had HEB on Filbus which i won in 8 minutes of being in the camp

the unfortunate part of this story is that in order to survive the grueling hours of HoT with BDA, I was forced to smoke many grams of cannabis IRL. I ended up dropping my beads while looting corpse one time and they went as easy as they came.

typical BDA

[Lhancelot]

i had HEB on Filbus which i won in 8 minutes of being in the camp

the unfortunate part of this story is that in order to survive the grueling hours of HoT with BDA, I was forced to smoke many grams of cannabis IRL. I ended up dropping my beads while looting corpse one time and they went as easy as they came.

typical BDA

Proof that drugs are indeed bad.

[skarlorn]

Agreed. I never would have raided Velious with BDA ONCE had it not been for the influence of marijuana.

[Lhancelot]

Agreed. I never would have raided Velious with BDA ONCE had it not been for the influence of marijuana.

Filbus is the product of marijuana. I think he'd be highly upset if he learned this. It's bad enough he was spawned and forced to have no deity to follow. :(

[Izmael]

i had HEB on Filbus which i won in 8 minutes of being in the camp

the unfortunate part of this story is that in order to survive the grueling hours of HoT with BDA, I was forced to smoke many grams of cannabis IRL. I ended up dropping my beads while looting corpse one time and they went as easy as they came.

typical BDA

They are a ground spawn in ToV now too? I thought only SG.

[Kesselring]

how many beads does OP have?

[Maliant]

Sprawls? Doubt he can afford beads, he is probably the worst re-seller the server ever saw. Everyone I know just sent him tells laughing at him, I'm sure he's had way more of those tells than sales.

I got my beads for 50k + a fungi about a year ago, not long before the sneak nerf. I don't think I did bad for someone who didn't join the server until after they stopped dropping.

I took a good break after the sneak nerf, but when that happened the price was steadily creeping up. People were buying up a lot at 100k and trying to sell for 180k-200k. Very few people bought for those prices right away, but they did drive the price up to 150k or so.

Even I have been amazed by what happened to their price in the last 6 months or so that I have been out of the loop. Price has gone up 80-100k in last 6 weeks. I think bead price will stabilize for a bit and by the end of the year might be up to 500k.

[fastboy21]

As long as new players come to the server this item will go up in price.

The supply of HEBs on the market is slowly decreasing while the demand for them remains high --- and always will be.

All the folks talking about how the price is too high and saying things like just use stalking probes are trying to push their own idea of the value for the item on others. I wouldn't quite call bullshit on the 350k eyes folks are claiming to have sold, but I can easily imagine the value of this item being a legit 200k for a full time monk or necro atm.

Remember that when someone is selling an item like the HEBs they aren't trying to offer the item to what most people would be willing and able to pay. They are pricing the item for the 1 or 2 folks that are willing and able to pay a huge price for the HEBs. They can get away with this price-making because there are so few eyes for sale.
It doesn't matter if 99.999% of players wouldn't pay 200k for HEBs, you only need one consumer for each eye on the market.

[Computer Man]

As long as new players come to the server this item will go up in price.


Add in inflation as well, sad but true. At what point will this server be too difficult for new players to climb the economy ladder?

[Wfrench1234]

i had HEB on Filbus which i won in 8 minutes of being in the camp

the unfortunate part of this story is that in order to survive the grueling hours of HoT with BDA, I was forced to smoke many grams of cannabis IRL. I ended up dropping my beads while looting corpse one time and they went as easy as they came.

typical BDA

As a PSA can you please explain your technique you use to loot your corpse so that others can avoid a similar fate?

[Brocode]

def going up!

ps: not sold yet.

[EpicAdventure]

item price based on strength of item, very simple. topor, HEB , bio orb, fungi, fungi staff, ect.. these items give Unique effects and cost a lot becasue something has to cost alot.

I'd grant custody to the fact that if shaman spells were cheap then the server would be 50% shamans instead of 35%

[skarlorn]

As a PSA can you please explain your technique you use to loot your corpse so that others can avoid a similar fate?

ya. i had beads out to click in one of my 2 inventory slots i'm sure. I liked to fly my Eye of Zomm up Chest's asshole to discover secrets of the Loot Council; and then the rest of my bags were full (for instance i used to carry 20 root nets because BDA members were too retarded to wait 5 seconds for aggro during 8 hour HoT grinds). And then you get your VP key, your SEB key, your HS Key, and your ST key (if you weren't in BDA), taking up 3-4 slots of your 8 slot rez-inventory. and basically when you loot your corpse you have to find the bag with the slot open and loot that first. if you fuck up one of your items gets kicked to the ground, and i think this is how the beads dropped.

[fastboy21]

item price based on strength of item, very simple

If this is true than the item no longer dropping wouldn't cause a change in price....or do you think its a coincidence that the price took off when they removed it from the game? Surely, the "strength" of the item didn't increase at all.

[Sprawlz]

Sprawls? Doubt he can afford beads, he is probably the worst re-seller the server ever saw. Everyone I know just sent him tells laughing at him, I'm sure he's had way more of those tells than sales.



Why so upset though? Someone pee in your cheerios?

I had a few hate tells, indeed, during my 6-8 months of tunnelquesting. Total probably under 10 (who knows how many were from the same guy...)

I always filed them under either Jealousy or Drugs, smiled softly, and moved on.

[Sprawlz]

If this is true than the item no longer dropping wouldn't cause a change in price....or do you think its a coincidence that the price took off when they removed it from the game? Surely, the "strength" of the item didn't increase at all.

It's all supply and demand, literally nothing else.

Item being strong means there's more demand.

Item no longer dropping means there's less supply.



You can have an item that no longer drops but isn't strong / useful. Supply is low but demand is low as well - price stays low. Example: Gem Encrusted Ring.

You can have an item that still drops but is strong / useful. Demand outmatches the supply - price is high. Example: AoN, Fungi, Left Goblin Ear (yes, 30 plat per common, stackable lvl 20 mob drop is a damn high price).

Don't skip them economics classes!

[fastboy21]

It's all supply and demand, literally nothing else.

Item being strong means there's more demand.

Item no longer dropping means there's less supply.



You can have an item that no longer drops but isn't strong / useful. Supply is low but demand is low as well - price stays low. Example: Gem Encrusted Ring.

You can have an item that still drops but is strong / useful. Demand outmatches the supply - price is high. Example: AoN, Fungi, Left Goblin Ear (yes, 30 plat per common, stackable lvl 20 mob drop is a damn high price).

Don't skip them economics classes!


I understand. I was pointing out that his idea that the item's "strength" is the sole determiner of its price. Obviously isn't true.

[Kealenfists]

is this a The Price is Right thing where the closest without going over wins?

[Computer Man]

The more we talk about this, the more it'll go up right? The traders at it again.

[Sprawlz]

The more we talk about this, the more it'll go up right? The traders at it again.

I don't think it would play any role. The item is already so expensive, only people who know what they are doing are concerned.

And these guys usually know the market, or know somebody who knows the market or will do their homework and get a fair selling or buying price given the current market conditions.

I really wonder, though, how high this thing can go. 750k as a future price doesn't sound that unreasonable today, does it? But on an absolute scale, that's an ABSOLUTE SHITLOAD of money for the average p99 player which hasn't been autistically accumulating wealth 7/24 for years.

[Ravager]

But on an absolute scale, that's an ABSOLUTE SHITLOAD of money for the average p99 player which hasn't been autistically accumulating wealth 7/24 for years.
If a person can't afford Holgresh Elder Beads, they're already winning P99.

[topgun1027]

You are missing the point, which is to demonstrate that a slight improvement in QoL can be worth a lot of money. The point wasn't to compare two items which are obviously very different.

just type out quality of life ffs.

[fastboy21]

Actually, future expectations is a textbook determiner of demand.

If folks believe that the item is going to be worth more next year it generates demand now to buy the item, which raises prices even more.

This was already happening by folks who understand p99 tunnelquest, but discussing it on the forums helps make more folks aware of it.

[Daloon]

Elder Beads will hit a cap of around 400k. You go beyond 400k and the market shrinks quick. The main problem is that those who have Elder Beads generally have no reason to sell them, especially considering they are rising in price.

[fastboy21]

The main problem is that those who have Elder Beads generally have no reason to sell them, especially considering they are rising in price.

Why is it a problem? Beads are a great item that are very rare. They should be priced accordingly. If they were low priced then I'd say its a problem.

[Izmael]

just type out quality of life ffs.

Your QoL seems poor.

[zati]

They are actually priceless. People who have/use them NEVER sell it for obvious reasons..