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wagorf
02-08-2018, 06:42 AM
thinking of starting a monk since it's easy to twink/solo
i really just want to dps or tank in groups, too much effort to pull. if i refuse to pull, am i going to be blacklisted or hated by group members? any monks out there who never pulls and still getting invites to groups?
You could probably get away with not pulling until your 30s but eventually groups are going to expect you to pull. Monks are excellent at it.
Doctor Jeff
02-08-2018, 07:40 AM
Play a warrior?
RedXIII
02-08-2018, 07:45 AM
Lots of monks in the high end raiding game who doens't pull and are terrible at it. You will be just fine standing in a corner and pretending to be a plant.
A+ sir, keep up been a scrub.
Taiku
02-08-2018, 07:52 AM
I stopped playing my monk just because of this, I don't like pulling but feel guilty not doing it in group settings especially when there are no other pulling monks in the group, you probably wont be blacklisted or hated, but you certainly are not playing the class to it's fullest potential which may put some people off, you also may have to add "LFG 50 monk (non-pulling)" to your LFG line just to avoid confusion when you get to a group and won't do it, might make it hard to find group. It's not that much effort to pull but I don't get any enjoyment out of it personally.
Diogene
02-08-2018, 08:07 AM
My monk is mainly bandaging in groups. Most of the people are happy with that. Pulling is not necessary when you know how to play
Rivera
02-08-2018, 08:14 AM
My monk is mainly bandaging in groups. Most of the people are happy with that. Pulling is not necessary when you know how to play
Trelaboon
02-08-2018, 08:30 AM
If you’re not going to pull, don’t even bother. That’s like asking if people are going to blacklist you for being a Warrior but refusing to tank because all you want to do is DPS
Foxplay
02-08-2018, 08:38 AM
If you’re not going to pull, don’t even bother. That’s like asking if people are going to blacklist you for being a Warrior but refusing to tank because all you want to do is DPS
Less so with monks possibly... there is a lot of monks (at least when i was leveling one) and often had groups with 2 sometimes 3 monks
However that being said I agree with most people in this thread.... don't play a class half ass if a huge part of the class is against your playstyle... if you don't like to pull because it takes a lot of constant input then don't play a puller class and find something more in line with how you wish to play.... like warrior
Its like playing a enchanter but never wanting to charm because its too much work.... might as well play a magician at that point
commongood
02-08-2018, 08:53 AM
Look it depends on context. There a plenty of situations where it's better or just as good that the ranger pulls, or the tank. You could try and cherry pick exp spots to accomodate your aversion to pulling. But if you flat out REFUSE to EVER pull then maybe you shouldn't play a monk.
rollin5k
02-08-2018, 08:53 AM
This is what you call a warm body. You're good for head count but thats about all.
icedwards
02-08-2018, 09:48 AM
Monk doesn't want to pull: A Sebilis story
[Tue Jan 23 12:07:29 2018] Anck says out of character, '60 monk lfg, not as puller.'
[Tue Jan 23 12:07:46 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'so you're a rogue?'
[Tue Jan 23 12:08:04 2018] Anck says out of character, 'and i didn't ask for smart remarks. don't like it don't reply :P'
[Tue Jan 23 12:08:24 2018] Aethor says out of character, 'bard LFG but not singing songs'
[Tue Jan 23 12:08:25 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'i actually love that you think you're going to get away with saying your a rogue when you're a monk'
[Tue Jan 23 12:08:55 2018] Anck says out of character, 'DPS...monks have other things they can do'
[Tue Jan 23 12:09:01 2018] Demilly says out of character, 'any dps lfg?'
[Tue Jan 23 12:09:30 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'so monks have double flying kick now?'
[Tue Jan 23 12:09:42 2018] Aethor says out of character, 'monk LFG but only as main healer'
[Tue Jan 23 12:09:51 2018] Anck says out of character, 'yo seriously..why be a smart arse? just play ya game innit'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:00 2018] You say out of character, 'cleric tank lfg, not as healer'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:04 2018] Yipyapkitkat says out of character, 'enchanter LFG for dotting only no CC no buffs'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:11 2018] Anck says out of character, 'if i aint on your case leave me be. '
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:14 2018] Aethor says out of character, 'this is funny'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:27 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'dude, calm down. Just a little playful teasing'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:32 2018] Yipyapkitkat says out of character, 'we are bored, nothing to talk about in frog town'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:37 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'liven up this anti-social game'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:43 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'friggin neckbeards'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:45 2018] Anck says out of character, 'you lot need to calm down with the "playful bullshit"'
thiz1234
02-08-2018, 09:49 AM
This is what you call a warm body. You're good for head count but thats about all.
Did someone say warm body?
Sloshed
02-08-2018, 10:06 AM
Don't join a raiding guild if you don't want to pull as a monk. Other monks will not want to compete against you for drops and more than likely you will be blacklisted before you even make it through the recruitment process.
tyrant49333
02-08-2018, 10:17 AM
There are enough shitty monks on the server play a ranger
Lemonhead
02-08-2018, 10:17 AM
Just duo/trio when you group and crawl thru dungeons like the hole. This is more fun for everyone, easier pulling and the best xp.
Lhancelot
02-08-2018, 10:49 AM
You may not like to pull, but no one cares. On this game classes fill a specific niche, and sorry... but as a monk your job is to pull. It's really that simple.
xKoopa
02-08-2018, 11:06 AM
I stopped playing my monk at lvl 54 cuz pulling sucks.. especially with the nerfs
Cant even motivate myself to play my lvl 30 monk with 500k in gear
Spyder73
02-08-2018, 11:15 AM
Raid scene is a whole different scenario that OP will most likely never find himself in so I wouldn't worry about that.
As a player with a 60 Monk and 52 Bard and 52 SK, I have pulled every leveling zone to the point where I think I can literally do most of them blind. Sebelis and HoT are the only zones that really amounts to any sort of "skill" because the casters can make u ded pretty quick if you f#ck the goat. Funny thing is out of my 3 chars the monk might be the worst puller of the bunch since the sneak pull nerf. Bard can harmo and SK can snare split while my monk just repeats FD until a mem blur now.
But making the monk the mandatory pull monkey is the P99 meta, and rightfully so to a point. They can avoid damage well and have best FD, 2 things that are key for pullers really.
However once the rooms are broken and the group is XPing to their little hearts content, it is perfectly OK to ask someone to take over pulls for a bit. Just because you are a monk doesn't mean that you can not ask for breaks. The active play style of the monk is both a positive and negative in the group setting.
If the only reason you don't want to pull is because you are afraid of not knowing where to go or doing it right, then I would say play a Monk because you will learn quickly.
If the reason you don't want to pull is because you like paying half attention to the game and half attention to the TV then roll something else
Lojik
02-08-2018, 11:18 AM
play a human wizard and dress like a monk...problem solved?
Raavak
02-08-2018, 11:36 AM
This is a troll thread, isn't it? I'm onto you OP.
Troxx
02-08-2018, 11:52 AM
You could probably get away with not pulling until your 30s but eventually groups are going to expect you to pull. Monks are excellent at it.
Monks are actually not excellent at it anymore. Content exists that requires it within the raid scene but for standard group pulling after the sneak/fd nerf, any class that can harmony/lull performs better.
The time it takes to fd split content is time wasted unless the content REQUIRES you to split it.
Spyder73
02-08-2018, 12:25 PM
Monks are actually not excellent at it anymore. Content exists that requires it within the raid scene but for standard group pulling after the sneak/fd nerf, any class that can harmony/lull performs better.
The time it takes to fd split content is time wasted unless the content REQUIRES you to split it.
Even when split pulling was a thing I almost preferred to pull on my Bard because
1) Eye of Zomm Helm (more of a gimmick really, but can keep singing mana song and pull simultaneously so it works even though PITA). Places like SolB it works well.
2) Selos
3) Lul/mez
Shadow Knight can snare split now. Problem is FD has a long recast so when it f#cks up you are probably going to die. That's why necro has never really been a "pull" class because the FD fail rate/recast makes it an insta gib usually on a room break.
Monk definitely has a place, but its pretty hard to beat Bard IMO. Only reason Bards get a break is because the casters all want mana song pumping non stop.
Enchanters are excellent pullers if it wasn't for needing to sit to med. Chanters can break rooms better than anyone though.
I have actually got pretty good at pulling Mistmoore castle on my Druid, way more effective than it ever was on my monk
Crede
02-08-2018, 12:50 PM
OP, a lot of classes are easy to twink/solo. If you don’t wanna pull, go ranger. Still good dps, a lot of utility, and can be twinked pretty easily. Can easily solo till 50 with a fungi/fbss/woodsmans staff. 50+ with panic animal fear is doable too.
Danth
02-08-2018, 12:53 PM
A good Necromancer should keep Harmshield up to help survive feign fails, and a really good one might also carry various heal or invulnerability click items. Due to Death Peace, level 60 Shadow Knights make excellent pullers nowadays, and Blood Ember legs can help wealthy Shadow Knights from 45-onward. That being said, snare-splitting works easily and reliably but it isn't particularly quick. Monks generally get the job done more quickly than I can on my Shadow Knight, even if Monks require more finesse now than they used to.
Most groups and guilds won't want a Monk who doesn't perform his primary job (pulling). Of course, you don't need most guilds to accept the non-pulling Monk; you only need one. Pick-up groups might be spotty even if you join as a non-pulling second Monk. If the first one leaves, guess who they'll look at for pulling? As with Warriors who don't want to be tanks or Clerics who don't want to be main healers and other cases of a player wanting to focus on a class's secondary jobs, it's best to do this type of thing if you have friends to group with in advance.
Danth
clacbec
02-08-2018, 01:10 PM
What à joke, roll tank
fan D
02-08-2018, 02:10 PM
just start the group, then no one can bitch
mefdinkins
02-08-2018, 02:28 PM
If you wanna monk and not pull be ready to Solo to 60. However, during said solo'ing you will essentially have to pull for yourself 1-60.
If you want to sit semi AFK in camp and click a few buttons play Cleric (only heal when need to), Rogue/Warrior - have mobs brought to you on a silver platter then DPS and AFK until more in.
If you just want a melee DPS without pulling try ranger (cool utility okay dPS), rogue (better DPS than monk), warrior (can tank), shadowknight (can pull more often serve as tank), or shaodwknight (can tank).
If you just want to have an amazingly geared monk b/c they're op and you just want to sit in EC in fancy gear or solo by yourself, and you plan on siphoning away gear from hero monks who put their blood, sweat, and tears into all your pulls... then join a guild that has FREE DKP loot policies to give you access to BIS stuff on your scrub alts and main a non-gear dependent class like cleric?!!?!?!/
I dunno man, monks get a lot of grief for not pulling!? BLAME IT ON THE SYSTEM
Legidias
02-08-2018, 02:42 PM
Warriors out dps monks anyways, so why not make a warrior? Just stick him with monk weaps like jade maces and go to town
fan D
02-08-2018, 02:44 PM
because he wants to play a monk, he wants to feign death and shit
he doesn't want to be a clunky armor filled warrior. how do you simpletons not understand this
oi vey
Wfrench1234
02-08-2018, 02:45 PM
If you won’t monk, don’t monk.
Ishio
02-08-2018, 02:50 PM
Hey guys, c'mon now.
There's plenty a non-pulling monk can do. Like sit LFG.
Kesselring
02-08-2018, 03:15 PM
Not sure why you don't want to pull, it's fun. And when you learn how to do it well you have a lot of opportunities.
skarlorn
02-08-2018, 03:33 PM
you can absolutely play a monk who doesn't pull. you will definitely be spurned and scorned by melee who pull their weight.
kjs86z
02-08-2018, 04:10 PM
If you won’t monk, don’t monk.
Jimjam
02-08-2018, 04:30 PM
play a human wizard and dress like a monk...problem solved?
This is how my wiz got groups. I'd cos play a monk, /role on and /ooc DPS LFG.
Got awkward when I was asked to pull, people thought I was twinked though cos I'd whip out an eye of zomm.
ChairmanMauzer
02-08-2018, 04:36 PM
I'm surprised to see a few people suggesting Ranger as a non-pulling class. Rangers can be fantastic pullers.
A monk that declined to pull when there weren't other suitable classes for it probably wouldn't be first on my list for grouping with again in the future unfortunately. It's part and parcel for the class's role.
fadetree
02-08-2018, 04:44 PM
We pull great when in an outdoors/harmony situation. Not so much indoors, unless its easy and basically anybody could pull. We can snare/root split sometimes. Can ranger mezz (off tank) a non-rootable two pull, etc. But no paci and no FD means tough splitting indoors usually.
Jimjam
02-08-2018, 04:46 PM
We pull great when in an outdoors/harmony situation. Not so much indoors, unless its easy and basically anybody could pull. We can snare/root split sometimes. Can ranger mezz (off tank) a non-rootable two pull, etc. But no paci and no FD means tough splitting indoors usually.
Indoors, yeah a ranger just gotta split mobs so in a pull they arrive at different times, instead of pulling mobs one at a time.
Like root one, root snare the other, then let the third just chase you. That way you have 3 mobs coming 1 at a time.
The bonus is you only have to run out of camp once to pull these 3 mobs, instead of 3 times, reducing time you aren't DPS or manasponging the cleric by stealing aggro from the warrior and taking too much damage.
aaezil
02-08-2018, 04:47 PM
if you want to just afk the whole time play a wiz or mage why are you a monk
Lemonhead
02-08-2018, 04:54 PM
Root nets make monk splitting really easy and much faster. They can also save a group thru emergency cc and are good for soloing. They are cheap to recharge and an easy farm (common drop) if you don't wanna drop 5k (500 ea).
https://wiki.project1999.com/Wooly_Spider_Silk_Net
SiouxNation
02-08-2018, 05:04 PM
Play a rogue
thinking of starting a monk since it's easy to twink/solo
Please don't.... you'll end up training groups a lot and killign them.
If I had 1 pp for every time an alt monk wearing (CoF/Tstaff/Fungi) has trained me i'd be swimming in manastones.
Pulling is an essential role for a monk. You learn the mechanics of FD/LoS/Splitting and alot more. You better make hotkeys for when you train people if you do..
"I didn't see you there" "It wasn't my train" "You were in the way" Etc. all that BS bad monks say
ChairmanMauzer
02-08-2018, 05:15 PM
We pull great when in an outdoors/harmony situation. Not so much indoors, unless its easy and basically anybody could pull. We can snare/root split sometimes. Can ranger mezz (off tank) a non-rootable two pull, etc. But no paci and no FD means tough splitting indoors usually.
Good points. I forgot about the indoor restrictions. I was thinking about all the great ranger pullers I've had in CoM.
arsenalpow
02-08-2018, 05:45 PM
There’s no greater insult than “dps monk”
Spyder73
02-08-2018, 05:49 PM
There’s no greater insult than “dps monk”
Go back to Phinny warm body
arsenalpow
02-08-2018, 06:23 PM
Go back to Phinny warm body
Speaking of DPS monks
Ravager
02-08-2018, 06:34 PM
Speaking of DPS monks
Gimme your AoN.
Supaskillz
02-08-2018, 06:47 PM
There’s no greater insult than “dps monk”
DPS monk, puller monk, no one cares. Puller rogue... now we are talking
skarlorn
02-08-2018, 06:55 PM
pulling as a rogue is fun!
arsenalpow
02-08-2018, 07:23 PM
Gimme your AoN.
Why?
Ravager
02-08-2018, 08:37 PM
Why?
cuz
SiouxNation
02-08-2018, 08:58 PM
If I had 1 pp for every time an alt monk wearing (CoF/Tstaff/Fungi) has trained me i'd be swimming in manastones
This guy didn’t pass grade 2 math.
skarlorn
02-08-2018, 09:13 PM
Why?
b/c he need it 4 clickin
arsenalpow
02-08-2018, 09:47 PM
even if I wanted to I'd have reinstall p99 and that's def not happening
trist4n
02-08-2018, 09:56 PM
You will be expected to pull if you play monk. If you want to do nothing in groups and play a class that takes 0 skill or brain power, play a rogue.
Lhancelot
02-08-2018, 10:13 PM
You will be expected to pull if you play monk. If you want to do nothing in groups and play a class that takes 0 skill or brain power, play a rogue.
This was harsh. Slam all the rogues in one swoop will you. :(
Ravager
02-08-2018, 10:28 PM
even if I wanted to I'd have reinstall p99 and that's def not happening
You should just give me your login info. I could troll this server so hard....
Wfrench1234
02-08-2018, 10:38 PM
So here is an actual P99 story. A RL friend of mine played a monk in this server when he got to level 40 I told him to go to city of mist and group. He doesn’t know zones that well and isn’t much of an EQ expert, but he was expected to pull in every group he joined. While I will say he didn’t put much effort in to learn how to pull, he ended up quitting because of the expectations. I told him the entire time s would be expected to perform that role but I guess he didn’t believe me.
TLDR: people will be confuzzled if you don’t pull for your group.
Ravager
02-08-2018, 10:56 PM
Well, to everyone who has these expectations defense, pulling on this server isn't that hard in pick up groups. Any class can pull for exp with their face if the group has at least one person with root. The only time pulling is hard here is when you're pulling dragons and coordinating with other pullers simultaneously.
Go out there monks and let your group do the heavy lifting.
skarlorn
02-08-2018, 11:06 PM
i would log in to see chest rockwell's return under the hands of ravager
Wfrench1234
02-09-2018, 12:05 AM
Well, to everyone who has these expectations defense, pulling on this server isn't that hard in pick up groups. Any class can pull for exp with their face if the group has at least one person with root. The only time pulling is hard here is when you're pulling dragons and coordinating with other pullers simultaneously.
Go out there monks and let your group do the heavy lifting.
While this is pretty much true, groups just like to see the monk pulling if there is a monk. I’ve never stomped my feet about it because I like pulling
Quinas
02-09-2018, 01:43 AM
Monk doesn't want to pull: A Sebilis story
[Tue Jan 23 12:07:29 2018] Anck says out of character, '60 monk lfg, not as puller.'
[Tue Jan 23 12:07:46 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'so you're a rogue?'
[Tue Jan 23 12:08:04 2018] Anck says out of character, 'and i didn't ask for smart remarks. don't like it don't reply :P'
[Tue Jan 23 12:08:24 2018] Aethor says out of character, 'bard LFG but not singing songs'
[Tue Jan 23 12:08:25 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'i actually love that you think you're going to get away with saying your a rogue when you're a monk'
[Tue Jan 23 12:08:55 2018] Anck says out of character, 'DPS...monks have other things they can do'
[Tue Jan 23 12:09:01 2018] Demilly says out of character, 'any dps lfg?'
[Tue Jan 23 12:09:30 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'so monks have double flying kick now?'
[Tue Jan 23 12:09:42 2018] Aethor says out of character, 'monk LFG but only as main healer'
[Tue Jan 23 12:09:51 2018] Anck says out of character, 'yo seriously..why be a smart arse? just play ya game innit'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:00 2018] You say out of character, 'cleric tank lfg, not as healer'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:04 2018] Yipyapkitkat says out of character, 'enchanter LFG for dotting only no CC no buffs'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:11 2018] Anck says out of character, 'if i aint on your case leave me be. '
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:14 2018] Aethor says out of character, 'this is funny'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:27 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'dude, calm down. Just a little playful teasing'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:32 2018] Yipyapkitkat says out of character, 'we are bored, nothing to talk about in frog town'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:37 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'liven up this anti-social game'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:43 2018] Confluence says out of character, 'friggin neckbeards'
[Tue Jan 23 12:10:45 2018] Anck says out of character, 'you lot need to calm down with the "playful bullshit"'
Top quality banter. Just sayin.
wagorf
02-09-2018, 05:06 AM
Play a warrior?
already have one
wagorf
02-09-2018, 05:06 AM
Just duo/trio when you group and crawl thru dungeons like the hole. This is more fun for everyone, easier pulling and the best xp.
im thinking of this, maybe just do small groups of duos and trios
wagorf
02-09-2018, 05:10 AM
OP, a lot of classes are easy to twink/solo. If you don’t wanna pull, go ranger. Still good dps, a lot of utility, and can be twinked pretty easily. Can easily solo till 50 with a fungi/fbss/woodsmans staff. 50+ with panic animal fear is doable too.
i excluded ranger because it's not too much different than a war, and on top of that ranger has additional dependency on mana regen vs. monk, and monk arguably tanks/dps better than ranger
wagorf
02-09-2018, 05:13 AM
Play a rogue
rogue is out of the question for being more difficult to solo
wagorf
02-09-2018, 05:19 AM
Less so with monks possibly... there is a lot of monks (at least when i was leveling one) and often had groups with 2 sometimes 3 monks
However that being said I agree with most people in this thread.... don't play a class half ass if a huge part of the class is against your playstyle... if you don't like to pull because it takes a lot of constant input then don't play a puller class and find something more in line with how you wish to play.... like warrior
Its like playing a enchanter but never wanting to charm because its too much work.... might as well play a magician at that point
the thing with chanter is, i never see ppl blast them when they don't charm.
wagorf
02-09-2018, 05:28 AM
examples such as clerics who dont heal, wars who dont tank are meaningless
monks that dont pull is debatable - hence the folks commenting on bard/ranger/sk/other classes arguably pulling just as good or better in certain situations
Jimjam
02-09-2018, 05:29 AM
the thing with chanter is, i never see ppl blast them when they don't charm.
Thats cos, while charming is largely optimal, an enchanter can still juggle half a dozen important and time consuming jobs instead of charming.
A monk that isn't pulling is juggling his auto attack (and hopefully a kick button).
That said, I've noticed many non-pulling monks rarely launch their special attacks.
Lhancelot
02-09-2018, 09:05 AM
Thats cos, while charming is largely optimal, an enchanter can still juggle half a dozen important and time consuming jobs instead of charming.
A monk that isn't pulling is juggling his auto attack (and hopefully a kick button).
That said, I've noticed many non-pulling monks rarely launch their special attacks.
/thread
kjs86z
02-09-2018, 09:12 AM
Thats cos, while charming is largely optimal, an enchanter can still juggle half a dozen important and time consuming jobs instead of charming.
A monk that isn't pulling is juggling his auto attack (and hopefully a kick button).
That said, I've noticed many non-pulling monks rarely launch their special attacks.
I just don't see charming as optional.
Its too strong not to do. I suppose if said enchanter is going to need to be AFK a lot, etc...I'd understand. Overall, enchanters that refuse to charm are usually just lazy or incompetent.
Legidias
02-09-2018, 10:08 AM
I always force chanters in HHK gob group to grab Osargen.
Lhancelot
02-09-2018, 10:22 AM
I just don't see charming as optional.
Its too strong not to do. I suppose if said enchanter is going to need to be AFK a lot, etc...I'd understand. Overall, enchanters that refuse to charm are usually just lazy or incompetent.
This depends on the group composite.
If the group has a bunch of melee and is hasting everyone, as well as CCing, as well as slowing, then give the chanter a break he doesn't need to be charming shit too.
I have also been in groups where the dps is so strong we don't need a charmed pet, in fact that's just one more mob not spawning for XP if it were charmed.
If the group needs dps, and other responsibilities are not spreading the chanter too thin then sure, expecting the chanter to hold a pet for dps is completely understandable but there are some circumstances where this just isn't the case.
Comparing a chanter not holding a pet to a monk not pulling is just dumb. Please concede this argument is utterly ridiculous.
Spyder73
02-09-2018, 10:28 AM
I pull the MM castle for a bit on my Druid again yesterday, pretty much better than any monk I have seen do it in the last 10 levels I been there. Harmony + root + self heals + level 1 nuke... owned the place with a nice steady stream of uninterrupted 1's and 2s. Had the pace down to such a point where we had cleared out the Gypsy room and the entire CY and I was up in the bedrooms b4 repops
I am however one of the best pullers on the entire server in a small group situation so I cant really fault the monks I out did (have leveled monk/bard/sk previously to 50-60 - turns out you pull most of the time on these classes)
Spyder73
02-09-2018, 10:34 AM
I just don't see charming as optional.
Its too strong not to do. I suppose if said enchanter is going to need to be AFK a lot, etc...I'd understand. Overall, enchanters that refuse to charm are usually just lazy or incompetent.
At higher levels you are right, at lower levels Enchanters don't have all the tools yet and if you are getting huge pulls every time I can see how having a charm is just not feasible without getting your ass whipped. Its a little easier to handle charm breaks when you have Planar Gear + Heroic Bond + Symbol + Rune Vs. being level 37 and having 700hps total
-50 and 50+ are different games for many classes (Enchanter/Necro particularly)
mefdinkins
02-09-2018, 10:46 AM
I am however one of the best pullers on the entire server in a small group situation so I cant really fault the monks I out did (have leveled monk/bard/sk previously to 50-60 - turns out you pull most of the time on these classes)
wow very strong!
fadetree
02-09-2018, 11:07 AM
On the chanter subject, it can be chancy to CC and buff AND run a hyped up killing machine that hates you really, really, bad. I have seen groups complain at the chanter about charming, so then he or she starts charming..massive DEEPS! Things go ok at first but there's a bad pull by the rogue who is pulling because the monk refuses to pull and the chanter gets busy and his lil' buddy gets free and eats face and then they all die.
Also often in a grind group you kill all the handy merbs before next respawn anyways and the charmed mob just makes standing around waiting last longer.
So..unless you are REALLY GOOD at it, I'd rather you just CC and buff and do those two items well. You can pull your jabober out if you want, it's actually a pretty good DOT hasted and dual weaponed.
Jimjam
02-09-2018, 08:19 PM
One strat I respect in an enc is to not take a standing pet, but when pulls come in charm one mob, set it on a second mob and let the group beat up the third.
That way the enc are CCing two mobs with one charm.
OP: note pulling doesn't have to mean spending ages getting single pulls.
The best monks are happy to bring in a couple of mobs at a time and let CC deal with it. Post sneaknerf, the monk advantage is being able to FD to drop aggro on a bad pull, rather than autistically spend 5 minutes making a single pull.
Lhancelot
02-09-2018, 08:32 PM
The best monks are happy to bring in a couple of mobs at a time and let CC deal with it. Post sneaknerf, the monk advantage is being able to FD to drop aggro on a bad pull, rather than autistically spend 5 minutes making a single pull.
My favorite class to pull on is warrior!
I grabbed up as many mobs as I can and run them all to the group leaving it up to the CC to manage the mess. Want me to hold aggro? Better root mobs too!
skarlorn
02-09-2018, 08:39 PM
didn't know you played warriro llahnce. what race?
fastboy21
02-09-2018, 10:13 PM
If you only want to dps why not roll a rogue?
Lhancelot
02-09-2018, 11:05 PM
didn't know you played warriro llahnce. what race?
Ogre 49, Gnome 20, Halfling 42, Troll 23............Ogre 27!
I got a new ogre warrior on shelf atm, semi-active. :)
Rallos Zek too btw.
Wfrench1234
02-09-2018, 11:11 PM
Why all the warriors? Why two of same race?
Jimjam
02-10-2018, 04:18 AM
Cos EQ is fun; I think I've had 3 halfling warriors so far. And a bunch of other races.
I don't know about Lhance, but I like to replay but with different gear philosophies, different zones, with new people etc. More fun than pixel pooping walls.
All you have to do is roll a wizard and all expectations are nonexistent
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