Practical Lumi Staff question

[Troxx]

I dusted off my old druid and made a push for 46 recently. The xp after hitting 46 has been phenomenal but for those druids who have continued to quad from time to time higher - how much use did you get out of lumi staff beyond 52/53? The exponential rise in mob hp I expect makes kite time jump time pretty silly with a 184dmg quad spell, but having mana free damage will undoubtedly be much faster than not.

Is it worth keeping around for consistent use?
Is consistent use worth it while quadding?
Is it worth keeping around as a supplement?
Should I just plan on embracing the afk when quadding happens later and just blast them dead faster with level appropriate spells and sell the lumi?

[Spyder73]

My druid isn't quite high enough to use the Lumi staff yet but I asked some of Druids in AM some questions before I bought it and basically the answer was "its great to power level yourself from 46-52 but after that it starts to get pretty gimp".

Having mana-free clickie is still better than nothing for when you are Charming however, and that's probably what you will be doing 52-60 unless you have some good friends who want to PL you. Not sure you want to be de-rooting your Charms by casting sh!ty spells on them though...

So maybe someone with some experience can answer, but my initial investigation shows the usefulness does indeed wear off pretty quickly. Basically its a niche tool for 46-52 but it goes from OP to crap fairly fast

[Siberious]

I've used it almost never 52+. Even 50-52 I mostly used the lvl 49 quad spell, and unless I got very unlucky resists the staff remained in my bags.

I like quadding cause you kill fast and afk, the Lumi staff is great 46-49 because it actually kills mobs at a pretty good rate, it's okay 49-52 in that it let me save Mana to do 2 quads before medding sometimes, and 52+ I almost never used it (my gear got much better at this point and could do 2 quads without lumi pretty much).

The 1 exception was when I was quadding Othmir 56+, sometimes due to partial resists needed lumi to finish of a mob or 2.

[Troxx]

I mean the math makes sense ... even at a terribly inefficient 20 seconds per successful click it works out to 245dmg per possible med tick. Even the best efficiency nukes don't work out to much better with potg + c2 completely discounting the cast time of better quad spells.

At the same time, the whole concept of quadding for xp is less about absolute efficiency and more about being favorable to a lazy play style of long meds for fast kills then rinse and repeat. Even then, having mana-free damage to mop up a poorly planned quad that might drain you is seductive.

But I could use the cash for my warrior's new haste item project and 184dmg per hit is awful with mob hp 4k+

[mefdinkins]

I kept from 1-60, just knowing I could nuke down something a little faster in certain scenarios where I didn't want to sit and med instead of using staff. Also if you're quadding and have to wait for all 4 to spawn at the same time staff is faster than just medding and using ES Vambs or VeliousBracer.

I sold once I got epic finished.

If I was level 55+ I prob would have sold once I finished epic.

[Baler]

I've always thought of it like a druid JBB. Great for the 40s, less useful in the 50s and only used on occasions at 60.

[Ravager]

There's really no reason to ever get rid of it though, imo. Its uses get quite more limited, but it's not like you'd need the plat it'd get you after it's obsolete.

[Lhancelot]

I've used it almost never 52+. Even 50-52 I mostly used the lvl 49 quad spell, and unless I got very unlucky resists the staff remained in my bags.

I like quadding cause you kill fast and afk, the Lumi staff is great 46-49 because it actually kills mobs at a pretty good rate, it's okay 49-52 in that it let me save Mana to do 2 quads before medding sometimes, and 52+ I almost never used it (my gear got much better at this point and could do 2 quads without lumi pretty much).

The 1 exception was when I was quadding Othmir 56+, sometimes due to partial resists needed lumi to finish of a mob or 2.

This is my exact experience with the lumi staff.

[Lemonhead]

I could quad non-stop in SG with main quad spell to like 20-40% and then clicks with potg and/or c2 on. You won't make a lot of friends, hah. I used a lot of those dudes on the beach and get chests when it was busy. I kind of liked the not stopping.

[Troxx]

53 now on Druid and the lumi staff is still the most efficient option. On a whim I respec’d evocation (will go back to alteration eventually). The higher quad spell now costs 208 mana for 1908 damage (9.17 damage per mana). This works out to 30 functional dps per med tick without POTG or clarity which isn’t bad.

Running my parser using lumi alone it averages 39dps continuously with a high around 45 (rare up to 49) and a low at 34dps. Variance is due entirely to my timing as there is little wiggle room if the cast isn’t started close to max range. Dps lost is usually from overshooting and having to wait an extra 1-3 seconds to start the click.

With plenty of mobs and active play lumi wins. I generally use mana taken on breaks and passive regen from any buffs I have to supplement kill speed with the cast nuke.

The area I’m hunting now is nice and laid back and won’t mostly green out until 55.

[Spyder73]

I just hit 46 on my Druid so I can click the lumi now. I did 1 quad in DL last night but I think I pulled the wrong mobs as they had a TON of health.

Where do people quad 46-50? I feel like DL is maybe not the best place for me right now but I may be wrong.

[Siberious]

I just hit 46 on my Druid so I can click the lumi now. I did 1 quad in DL last night but I think I pulled the wrong mobs as they had a TON of health.

Where do people quad 46-50? I feel like DL is maybe not the best place for me right now but I may be wrong.

I picked off the Othmir shellcatchers from the water in CS. Can safely snag 2 quads worth from what I recall 46-49.

[Xap]

Spyder, Bloodgills are a fantastic option. Yetis should not have high HP, not sure what happened there - their HP is marginally less than most kunark mobs. Once gillys green out, head to the aviak fortress in TD.

I have a vid on how to pull the Bloodgills (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1aZmRpWXI), there is also a vid in there on the aviaks if you are interested.

[Spyder73]

I was doing Drolvargs not Yetis in DL. Yea but how do you even quad Bloodgills with all the gay swimming involved? I don't think my little hobbit is a very good swimmer. Anecdotally it seemed Yetis were all green (passed a couple running to KC) as well.

I always hear about how Lumi staff can PL you from 46-52 quite easily...where do people do this at!

[Xap]

I was doing Drolvargs not Yetis in DL. Yea but how do you even quad Bloodgills with all the gay swimming involved? I don't think my little hobbit is a very good swimmer. Anecdotally it seemed Yetis were all green (passed a couple running to KC) as well.

I always hear about how Lumi staff can PL you from 46-52 quite easily...where do people do this at!

Ahhhh, Drolvargs do have a bit more HP. Quad bloodgillys by using levitate, I have the technique in the vid above (albeit a slightly sketchy attempt). Levitate whilst 'swimming' for max speed to drag them out to the shore.

After Gillys green go to #2 on this map. (https://wiki.project1999.com/Timorous_Deep)

[Baler]

Once gillys green out, head to the aviak fortress in TD.
After Gillys green go to #2 on this map. (https://wiki.project1999.com/Timorous_Deep)

do you know how this compares to doing wyverns in CS?
gillys green at 51 but they're really only good to lvl 50 and wyverns in CS are good till mid 50s I think.
Plus from what I recall the TD kfc has a bunch of green mixed in with what blue you can find there.

[Xap]

Wyverns in CS are awesome, can comfortably do them at 51 if memory serves. Only trouble is they tend to be permacamped during prime time, so I never really had much luck with them!

[Baler]

Wyverns in CS are awesome, can comfortably do them at 51 if memory serves. Only trouble is they tend to be permacamped during prime time, so I never really had much luck with them!

That is a valid point about them being darn nearly perma camped. Especially since there isn't that many of them to begin with, in the grand scheme. Plus to add insult to injury the drakes there can be problematic with their breath. Especially the named drake.
I can see why TD aviacks may be a safer and smoother option.

[Ravager]

I was doing Drolvargs not Yetis in DL. Yea but how do you even quad Bloodgills with all the gay swimming involved? I don't think my little hobbit is a very good swimmer. Anecdotally it seemed Yetis were all green (passed a couple running to KC) as well.

I always hear about how Lumi staff can PL you from 46-52 quite easily...where do people do this at!
Pull bloodgills to shore. I did them to 51 on my druid with the lumi staff, snare gaunts and wolf bracer. Never used any mana, non-stop killing

[Troxx]

I just hit 46 on my Druid so I can click the lumi now. I did 1 quad in DL last night but I think I pulled the wrong mobs as they had a TON of health.

Where do people quad 46-50? I feel like DL is maybe not the best place for me right now but I may be wrong.

Spirocs in TD are very good up to 51. You could probably get to 53 off them but they really start to green out at 51. After that you’re looking at mostly mobs with 4K+ hp.

[Bugsley]

I'm 53 doing raptors and only use it to kill off a loner under 20%. kiting them with lumi would take 8-9 yrs

used it pretty much exclusively at spirocs, felt like a free PL 48-51. those bird boys got severely punished by lightning

[Troxx]

I'm 53 doing raptors and only use it to kill off a loner under 20%. kiting them with lumi would take 8-9 yrs

Seafuries have more hp and I could drop a full quad in under 8 minutes if I just used Lumi. I'm not saying it wasn't tedious but to insist lumi is less efficient than medding is just wrong. Even after 52 it's more efficient than medding and it's a lot more efficient than grouping a 6 man.

But ... if you prefer to take long afk breaks it's better to just cast the higher level quad DD.

[Spyder73]

Druid just dinged 49 last night. Been doing Spirocs from 46-49 and I must say it is quite nice. I have quadding down to a nice science now after many hours of practice. Will probably ride Spirocs out to level 50 and then see about a scenery change...maybe 51 IDK yet. But 46-50 I really cant imagine anything better than Spirocs, camp is typically empty and the respawn is fast even if its not. Lumi staff does 10% damage on the Lightfoots and Watchers and closer to 6% on Provens. You can basically gain entire levels about every 2 hours of play

[skarlorn]

I have quadding down to a nice science now after many hours of practice.

https://i.imgur.com/hk0Lqdz.jpg