Returning player, what happend to red

[Heisen Berg]

Hello guys,

I've been away for 1-2 years, used to play a bard on Blue, now thinking about starting from scratch on Red BUT : I remember 2 years ago blue had like 1100 players peak time, and red had ...300ish ? Looking at the front page atm, blue is still around 1k, but red has 50-80ish... what happend to red server? is it still a good idea to start a toon there, or should I go back to blue?

Thanks!

[Nagoya]

pop is min 20 max 120 avg 50, 90% of which are level 60, another 9% 51+.
whether it's a good idea or not is up to you /o/

[Smeeter]

Hello,

Im pretty new to red server and the game in general.

I think red server is a great place to start. Get in the guild Sanctuary as they are a great leveling guild and really helpful. I havent had much of a problem getting in groups. There are always people making alts to level with and even awesome PL groups at times. I made a cleric and we had a PL group going that got us from like 1 to 23 in no time at all. The group XP bonus is insane.

There have been so many helpful people on red. I like the red server MUCH better than blue. Its great that popular camps are open that are always camped on blue server. Example is sisters camp in Lfay. Its always open. On blue you hafta get in line.

Make a toon, hit up Sanctuary and come on over!

[heartbrand]

The camps are open because no one is playing

[Slathar]

Fuck off back to blue. If you don’t, I’ll hunt you down in game and grief you back to the EC tunnel. You aren’t welcome. I am Jesus.

[Jazzy]

AS opposed to one guild here?

Also max 120? Ive yet to see it over 60 in the last few months

[Servant]

It routinely goes above 100 during Apex raid hours.

[Nagoya]

yeah, i did write avg50, and it is indeed rare to see it above ~75, but sometimes you'll have peaks at 100-120 hehe.

[Shrubwise]

Hello guys,

I've been away for 1-2 years, used to play a bard on Blue, now thinking about starting from scratch on Red BUT : I remember 2 years ago blue had like 1100 players peak time, and red had ...300ish ? Looking at the front page atm, blue is still around 1k, but red has 50-80ish... what happend to red server? is it still a good idea to start a toon there, or should I go back to blue?

Thanks!

Red is what you make it. Start a toon and join Sanctuary and see what happens!

[Amyas]

Red is what you make it. Start a toon and join Sanctuary and see what happens!

This

[Outer]

Red is over. Any notable pvp is over. If you want to play on a server that the only pvp to be had is killing your main tank so he can pick up hammers - have at it. A lot of the classic and kunark pvp moments will never happen again.

[Broncoandy]

Red is where it's at. PvP is the seasoning, not the meal. Great time to be casual.

[Tune]

Red is where it's at. PvP is the seasoning, not the meal. Great time to be casual.

great quote

[Ragnaros]

Red is cool and i might return one day but you have to be ok with the fact that PvP is occasional and will allways be on the terms of the bigger guild

[Tassador]

Red is where it's at. PvP is the seasoning, not the meal. Great time to be casual.

Actually perfect quote and why a lot of us don't play anymore.

Blue jr.

[Beastagoog]

Red is where it's at. PvP is the seasoning, not the meal. Great time to be casual.

Lol.

If pvp is the seasoning, than the meal is a t.v. dinner because there are vastly better PvE servers out there for eq, or games alike.

And if the pve is so god darn good why is the pop 80-100?

#fasleadvertisement

[Jazzy]

Miss those classic memories

Struggling to level in crushbone wearing rags

Went from rags to bitches the hard way

[stormlord]

The reason pops have come down is rooted in two or more reasons. First, Velious released a year or two ago. I think that influenced the pop. Players rushed to try out the new content in a way only p1999 offers. Pops on blue were as high as 1600. This lingered for some months before settling down to ~1000 pops on blue. Another factor is time. More time means more twinks and raid players. The longtime players are going to rule the roost and make it tough for new players to level up and participate. Open world PvP in MMORPGs always suffers the most with time as result of the top heavy nature of progression MMORPGs. As example, I played mostly on Sullon Zek, and its pops fell dramatically over time to a trickle. This is true too for PvE servers, but not as severely, and for different reasons.

If It were me here's what I'd do:
1) Wipe (this is probably the single biggest beneficial move)
2) Add teams, like Vallon/Tallon or Sullon Zek (this eases the PvP strain; increases RP I think too)
3) Reduce Play Nice rules, but increase attention to hacking or boxers
4) Increase support for any kind of leaderboard or PvP point system (no in-game benefit)

I think this server is trying to avoid a wipe and increase Play Nice rules, but I don't think it's as effective. Why? Because this is Everquest. It's open world PvP. Too many rules are incompatible. What's it going to do, start forbidding winks from attacking levelers? Raiders prevented from attacking non-raiders? When will it stop?

It'd be interesting to hold a poll for all players currently playing actively on red and ask whether they think a wipe is appropriate. But how to ensure it's red players who're voting? And what about all the players not present to vote? It's always a tough choice to do a wipe, no matter what. Espeically with MMORPGs, PvP or not, progression is so important to many players. Everquest is a special case, due to its longterm progression nature.

If nothing is done I'm ok with that. We all have to realize Everquest is almost 20 years old. Even if Red deteriorates slowly to nothing, what's that but the ultimate fate of all old games?

[Raijiin]

Personally I quit playing red over the pnp. Suspended for attacking a geared character hanging out in karnors waiting for a port. I was still never clear how that applied to the LNS policy. Took about a month for me to quit after that even tho I was very active. Partially cause of the way the staff handled that situation and I was just scared to pvp anymore. I felt like I needed permission to attack someone or id get petitioned and suspended.

[Rhuobhe]

he's right. pnp was heavily enforced at one point it sucked and caused people to leave.

[Ragnaros]

yea man i miss the good ol days of sirken coming back in ooc after 2 years of being mia and proclaiming "the wild west is over, im going to be more active and make red great again!" then seeing people getting chain suspended for LNS violations of killing geared people, and people getting mass suspended for training when the evidence presented was 2 screenshots...then sirken disapearing for another 2 years
know so many people who quit because of the retarded suspending and banning here
thats not even accounting for the holocaust and nihilum bans that thinned the server

[Jazzy]

I still have fond memory of finding a gnome mage afk at his bind close to unrest and repeatedly killing him over and over for several hours, taking him from mid 20s to low teens in level

[Lord Casey]

i have fond memories of having just one dad

all in the past now

[Beastagoog]

Server is like 40-60pop then spikes to 80-100 on raid times.

Basically game is a 40-60pop game if you dont just login to raid.

About 40 people login to only to raid and contribute nothing to the community outside of running from KD to ToV (so basically their toons never leave like 4 zones)

[AzzarTheGod]

yea man i miss the good ol days of sirken coming back in ooc after 2 years of being mia and proclaiming "the wild west is over, im going to be more active and make red great again!" then seeing people getting chain suspended for LNS violations of killing geared people, and people getting mass suspended for training when the evidence presented was 2 screenshots...then sirken disapearing for another 2 years
know so many people who quit because of the retarded suspending and banning here
thats not even accounting for the holocaust and nihilum bans that thinned the server

lol funny thing about this is that many of these were perma bans, because the people didn't care enough to go to the petition forum and beg for a reply on what exactly they are banned for.

getting banned while offline without any info and needing to go to a petition forum awkwardly and type out a paragraph asking a question is pretty creepy activity and surprise most ppl won't participate.

i lost a lot of friends during the wild west ban wave and im not sure the server gained anything? aside from us sideliners laughing maniacally at the OOC "wild west" and then watching people get banned for questioning bans in OOC. was legit hilarious to see 3-4 people drop in a row.

one train ban, then 3 more bans for saying "what the fuck?" and again, the necessity to create a petition on the petition forum over typing "why is he banned?" in OOC is pretty silly....

add to that the fact the derubael bans were told they weren't getting their stuff back and restores weren't possible and the complete denial over the fact their gear got jacked until finally they couldn't deny it anymore, but still said they aren't getting any stuff back. Dumb.

[heartbrand]

enforcement of pnp is non existant who you kidding

if anything quit because most of the players on the server are ultra weak and bad and tend to move into zerg guilds due to being afraid of competition for mobs instead of having fights for them

see nihilum, empire, apex etc

There aren't enough players to sustain two guilds on this server competing form mobs. In addition, even if there were to be, it is far too easy to cockblock the other guild from killing anything if you have enough people with no life willing to sit at zone lines plugged for hours at a time. If they ever wipe or make a new PvP server, they should enforce a rule that you need to fight for the mob and then peace out. Only the sickest people enjoy staring at a login screen playing a game of cat and mouse for 10 hours to kill a dragon.

[Beastagoog]

The reason pops have come down is rooted in two or more reasons. First, Velious released a year or two ago. I think that influenced the pop. Players rushed to try out the new content in a way only p1999 offers. Pops on blue were as high as 1600. This lingered for some months before settling down to ~1000 pops on blue. Another factor is time. More time means more twinks and raid players. The longtime players are going to rule the roost and make it tough for new players to level up and participate. Open world PvP in MMORPGs always suffers the most with time as result of the top heavy nature of progression MMORPGs. As example, I played mostly on Sullon Zek, and its pops fell dramatically over time to a trickle. This is true too for PvE servers, but not as severely, and for different reasons.

If It were me here's what I'd do:
1) Wipe (this is probably the single biggest beneficial move)
2) Add teams, like Vallon/Tallon or Sullon Zek (this eases the PvP strain; increases RP I think too)
3) Reduce Play Nice rules, but increase attention to hacking or boxers
4) Increase support for any kind of leaderboard or PvP point system (no in-game benefit)

I think this server is trying to avoid a wipe and increase Play Nice rules, but I don't think it's as effective. Why? Because this is Everquest. It's open world PvP. Too many rules are incompatible. What's it going to do, start forbidding winks from attacking levelers? Raiders prevented from attacking non-raiders? When will it stop?

It'd be interesting to hold a poll for all players currently playing actively on red and ask whether they think a wipe is appropriate. But how to ensure it's red players who're voting? And what about all the players not present to vote? It's always a tough choice to do a wipe, no matter what. Espeically with MMORPGs, PvP or not, progression is so important to many players. Everquest is a special case, due to its longterm progression nature.

If nothing is done I'm ok with that. We all have to realize Everquest is almost 20 years old. Even if Red deteriorates slowly to nothing, what's that but the ultimate fate of all old games?

97% of current players and former players including shitcans like me would love a wipe. I actually want to experience a classic non geared pvp server where root still counts coz everyone has 45mr.

The 3% that dont want a wipe have sexuality issues and like wood elf female druids for reasons only they know.

You cant salvage red99 anymore and at best if you did everything humanly possible to up the pop I doubt it will ever go higher than 120. So why waste all that effort for an additional 10-20players when you cohld easily have a 300-500pop server again in a weeks notice.

All the ideas floating around to salvage this server are remedies. Agnars dropped this server a bit since velious dropped on that server and luclin will drop it again because thats content people havent experienced yet. Agnarr has quite alot of red99 players on it coz they accidently reveal thrmselves by saying pras in groups or in the global channels. Have a chat to em and they all say the same thing..."wipe this shit server and I will be back in an instant".

[heartbrand]

No wipes ever

sorry you lost

Sorry you were banned for RMT

[heartbrand]

I currently have no banned accounts and have never attempted to RMT on project1999 server

So that’s why you sold your monk and wizard to Vapo which got subsequently ban hammered, then begged Gongshow for an invite, got it. (Poor and sad)

[Jazzy]

Yikes

Stern cringe if true

[Baugi]

If someone started playing again on red would they be subjected to this edgelord alt-right lingo 24/7?

Asking for a friend.

[Jazzy]

Get bent

[Zatan]

Hmm I was bored and wanted to comeback and play my necro Zkeleto but toxicity levels are high with low pop anyways nice to see HB Tune and a few old names still around.

[AzzarTheGod]

there was on kunark, and empire was so scared they griefed the sh it out of fresh and anyone else it could because they were so scared of competition

then they raided uncontested and geared up then were like wut do we do now?

cucks lol

#veliousgearedonred992018

solid dunks i remember em being shook silly of Fresh.

[jcmtg]

Does anyone know what/where Nizzar plays nowadays?

[bestovv]

agnarr

[AzzarTheGod]

Duke raiding agnarr like a boss

[Zatan]

Last time I was with Nizzar was in ArcheAge but I left that game a little over a year and lost contact with Nihilium so not sure if they stayed in that game of they went to a new one.

[Tassador]

Book 2 in shinning force cd is super dope. Check it out and don't egress while you progress!