Shaman - Chaining Cani Spells w SGSE?

[kb2005]

So I was searching for threads on canni dancing for funsies coz I'm that type of nerd, and I found some references to a canni technique involving the Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring, like this one from Skinned:

"Use a goblin skull earring to chain cast two levels of canni to burn away a lot of health for some mana on a clutch."

After reading other comments mentioning the gobby earring used in conjunction with canni dance, I'm still a little confused about what the utility of chaining two levels of cannibalize with the earring is. If you can cast them both and sit before the server tick, do they stack? If not, then what is the benefit?

(Also so it's clear I do understand the utility of using SGSE to reset global cooldown. That part I get.)

[Jimjam]

Cast 'canni x', as soon as it has finished instacast the shrunken goblin skull earring to refresh your cast bar and cast 'canni y', sitting as soon as it completes to also collect the meditation tick mana.

From what I understand, the refresh time on a single canni spell is to great to be able to spam that single spell, even in slot 1, hence the need for two versions for maximum spam efficiency?

[Senn]

Nah, with gcd clicky you can spam slot 1 with no delay. You don't need to use two cannis

[kb2005]

Nah, with gcd clicky you can spam slot 1 with no delay. You don't need to use two cannis

oh. so it's not for canni dancing, it's for getting that initial bump in mana from casting and doing it over and over in rapid succession, while the down side of it is you're losing way more HP than if you would if you were just riding out the canni effect while sitting / waiting for a tick. Kinda like clicking a manastone a bunch of times in a row.

So it's like:
Using SGSE to bypass global cooldown = Burn a bunch of HP to get more mana more quickly.
Canni dancing = Slower but don't burn so much HP.

Is that right?

[Jimjam]

Nah, with gcd clicky you can spam slot 1 with no delay. You don't need to use two cannis

So it is only useful I you have an excess of spell slots, but canni is outcompeted by another spell for importance of top slot spamming?

[deadlycupcakez]

Nah, with gcd clicky you can spam slot 1 with no delay. You don't need to use two cannis

Slot 1 GCD only works if the recast time of the spell is shorter than the cast time of the spell - this is why you cannot GCD things like rapture / harvest / DA / etc

Most spell recast times are 2.25s and most canni cast times are 1.5s which is why you can't spam 1 canni, until you get canni 4 with a longer cast time

[commongood]

Nah, with gcd clicky you can spam slot 1 with no delay. You don't need to use two cannis

Fairly sure this isn't correct. If I SPAM gcd and then another Canni IV it seems it can happen "too fast" and even though I get a cast bar going down once it resolves my spell isn't cast but instead I get a message in red stating something about spell not being ready or something to that effect. It seems you need to wait maybe ~1 second after spell gems reset after clicking gcd item before you can cast again.

[markcosmin]

It's more like cast > finish cast > click item > wait .01 > recast

you can spam canni ez like that and it's super common to do, you can also fit two in before server tick.

so you wait to see tick > stand > cast > click > .01 > cast > click > .01 > sit and wait for tick repeat, you get a ton of mana fast but it's tedious af

[dbouya]

if you stand the moment you see a meditation tick don't you usually lose that mana a second later? you have to wait your ping after seeing the tick for it to actually count (roughly) because you gain the mana locally regardless of if the server agrees, then later the server will correct it if you stood too fast? yes?

[Troxx]

Once you get torpor or IF you have someone cast a HOT on you - it's been my experience that you can safely stand stand once you see the heal over time tick and get meditate tick.

[applesauce25r624]

once you get torpor you don't give a shit about timing canni dance

[Baler]

I'll add to this! Canni 4 has such a long cast time you very rarely start casting it too soon.
Canni 3 however, you will cast it too soon all the time and have to wait about a second in between casts. (I am talking about with global cooldown remover)
So a technique that some shaman use is.. Canni 3 slot 1, Canni 2 slot 2. Canni 3, global, canni 2, global, repeat.

But most people just dance with one canni and get the timing down.

[Naethyn]

Put canni in hotbar slot 1. GCD click (star of eyes) in hotbar slot 2. Bind the secondary key for both buttons to one button like + on your numpad. Then just mash +. Slot 1 will activate first.

[markcosmin]

if you stand the moment you see a meditation tick don't you usually lose that mana a second later? you have to wait your ping after seeing the tick for it to actually count (roughly) because you gain the mana locally regardless of if the server agrees, then later the server will correct it if you stood too fast? yes?

for some reason if you canni it seems to secure that 'invisible mana tick' and credit you with it, the only thing that seems to matter is that you sit for the server tick, and for the next server tick, what you do between seems to have little consequence (in terms of losing mana)

[dbouya]

Once you get torpor or IF you have someone cast a HOT on you - it's been my experience that you can safely stand stand once you see the heal over time tick and get meditate tick.

I've literally gained enough mana to just barely cast a spell, then immediately stood up, then casted the spell, halfway through casting the spell the server updates that i actually stood up too fast and I get a message at the end of the spellcasting stating I don't have enough mana to cast the spell.

A message I never saw in about 1000 hours on sony servers.
I don't mean to insult p99, but I always wait an extra second when I'm trying to capture meditation ticks on p99.

Yes of course you can do whatever you want between ticks. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise, but IMO that gives you FIVE free seconds not SIX, because you need one of the second to ensure encapsulating the server tick time. That might just be because of my ping being like 130 and maybe your ping is 30, I don't know exactly what causes it.

[Iandyan]

I heard it's because we use the titanium client. Something about how mana regeneration rate had increased by the time titanium came out but on P99 they use the classic lower rate.

So basically the client thinks we should get x mana per tick but then the server corrects it to the lower amount.

[loramin]

I heard it's because we use the titanium client. Something about how mana regeneration rate had increased by the time titanium came out but on P99 they use the classic lower rate.

So basically the client thinks we should get x mana per tick but then the server corrects it to the lower amount.

Thanks for that. Usually people say something like "it's just a problem with the client being out of sync with the server because of network lag", but this explanation makes much more sense.

[Pyrocat]

Once you get torpor all you do is 1) Canni, 2), GCD reset, repeat. Eventually you cast torpor to heal yourself. Never sitting unless you're FM/bored/afk. In my case I have a clicky in slot 4, Canni spell gem in slot 5, torpor in slot 6, so my life is just: 45454545454564545454545456

For the OP, yeah you want a goblin skull earring but not for canni dancing specifically, it just allows you to cast different spells quicker. Click it between every spell cast.