How Blood Guard does Lodi

[Droog007]

Show up late to find Lodizal engaged and in the process of being debuffed.
Correctly guess that the SHM/ENC duo intends to to charm Grizlin Bloodfang.
Pretend to be "camping" Grizlin Bloodfang, even though you've just arrived in the zone and Grizlin is currently dead.
When Enchanter tashes and charms Grizlin moments after spawning, start telling lies like, "Hey I was killing that! - that's totally why we're here!"
Petition the staff for a KS on Grizlin Bloodfang
When staff arrives moments later, say ridiculous things like, "Well, taking the gnoll off the table was the ONLY THING WE COULD DO! - It was the ONLY choice left for us!!"
After staff despawns the nearly dead Lodizal, run to the spawn point when you see "Lodizal engages a sea walrus!", like, "OMG CHRISTMAS!" You friggin idiots...
After staff basically says everyone did a wrong thing, say once again, "it was the only legal course we had to get a chance at lodi."


How about this: Camp the damn mob. Do your own work. When you find someone beat you to the punch, wait at a respectable distance while they take their chance or MOVE THE FUCK ON. Dicks moves are dick moves, "legal" or not.

[Tankdan]

Blood Guard what is your rebuttal?

[skarlorn]

damn sounds like yawl got outplayed within the Laws of p99

[Droog007]

Right? The crazy thing is they got the judge to uphold FTE on a mob that ought to be a camp. If anyone was camping Grizlin, we were.

[Droog007]

To be clear, all subsequent respawns of Lodi were depopped that cycle. No one got loot.

[Manasana2]

Simply knowing an ench and shaman duo intend to charm that mob. then BG decides to kill it is simply strategy. if your only hope for a lodi kill is to MAYBE have a mob charmed then its a low chance to win. Many people take that gnoll out while lodi is in window to prevent that from happening... like always the greedy 2 person duo on lodi fails and they blame everyone else instead of there own greedy asses to not bring more people lodi. Hell if I had 100 plat for everytime I heard a lodi duo died I could have bought my own Lodi belt =P

Sorry all you know the shitshow lodi can be!

[Pokesan]

not reading that. permanently ban everyone involved.

[Droog007]

Sounds like someone that wants less competition on FTE ;)

[Droog007]

Also, what is your word limit? Dang. I thought I was pretty concise.

[Pokesan]

ah i read it on mobile so it looked longer at first

can anyone recommend some good pornography?

[dennardscott86]

Damn OP, in high school you were the man OP.... What the fuck happened to you??

[orangemang]

1: We never pretended to be camping the gnoll. We openly admitted that we engaged the gnoll at spawn because it was the only legal move we had to try and get a chance at Lodi. This was the first thing said to Sirken from BG.

(You had not killed the gnoll before, therefore it was an open camp as far as camp rules are concerned)

2: We engaged the gnoll first, I have the logs of the encounter and of our conversation with Sirken as proof. It doesn't matter that we weren't there for the gnoll. We made a strategic decision based on what was available. You acknowledged to Sirken that you aren't allowed to charm an engaged mob. (You also gave 2 separate reasons at 2 separate times during our conversation with Sirken as to why you were stalling)

3: Called out in OOC that Charming an engaged mob is considered KS, you did not respond. I was left with only one recourse without risking our group getting a ban by interfering and that was to petition.

4: You weren't even in zone during spawn because we had someone there camping SF at spawn. So don't pull the camp the mob card.

5: You got outplayed. I'm sorry you feel wronged but it was a strategic maneuver, the same as a a leap frog. The game is meant to be competitive in times like this. We came in and saw a weakness in your strategy and we monopolized that weakness. From the very beginning we admitted that we engaged the gnoll to get a chance at Lodi as your shaman was seconds from death until you charmed (an engaged mob that was not going to be alive much longer) and the gnoll ran over to assist.

As said after the GM ruling, it was nothing personal and is a highly contested mob. Just as with any contested mob everyone wants to win. We did nothing wrong, even after you charmed our engaged mob we were told by leadership to stand down and not interfere. Next time a call goes out in OOC in regards to something you have just done, try responding and a GM won't have to be involved. We could have worked something out possibly.

It's a shame it came to that instead of you just admitting that you were outplayed and giving kudos on what was a smart move. I would have, but of course when I go to Lodi on my enchanter I charm the gnoll before spawn/engage because it's just that easy for someone to throw your strategy right out the window.

At the end of the day, it's a game. Don't get your feelings hurt over it. We felt that Sirken should have allowed you two a chance at Lodi without the gnoll and we would have accepted it if you two could have pulled it off. Hell, I would have applauded you both!

[GinnasP99]

A group of turtles is called a bale

[kb2005]

A group of turtles is called a bale

Neat!

I like turtles.

[skarlorn]

Damn OP, in high school you were the man OP.... What the fuck happened to you??

savage

[LiQuid]

Incoming tldr, happy RNF everybody.

I was in the zone on my monk camping Stormfeather when I saw Lodi destroying all the gnolls via FTE messages. At the time there was nobody in zone other than a level 50-ish AG bard and a couple lower levels so I say in guild that Lodi's up and that I would camp over to Plush to come kill it.

By the time I finally got a port to IC 3-4 of my guildies were already there and this stuff had started so I had nothing to do with the gnoll engage or petition and all that. I was 100% clueless that there was anything even going on. Lodi was at 20% HP or something so I figured oh well AG got it and asked their SHM if they needed the map since my monk was still in zone and I need it on him and don't really care about any of the other loot.

So to be clear, I had no clue Sirken was even in the zone until after this happened:

"After staff despawns the nearly dead Lodizal, run to the spawn point when you see "Lodizal engages a sea walrus!", like, "OMG CHRISTMAS!" You friggin idiots..."

That was just me and only me that did that. Cuz I was confused why your guys' Lodi depopped so I went back to the spawn point and saw him just chilling on his island full HP decided to try for an FTE. Wasn't me trying to be cute, I was just ignorant that anything was going on and Sirken had the BG member that filed the petition locked in tells, so he couldn't respond to me when I was asking what was happening.

My take on the events that I learned all after the fact:

I guess my guildies made a conscious decision to kill the un-egaged Gnoll in order to increase the chances that the AG duo failing their kill. They never claimed to be camping him. It was just to prevent AG from using him to kill Lodi. They admitted all of this to the GM. So because of that, AG's enchanter basically got in trouble for stealing the Gnoll which lead to Sirken judging in BG's favor. Unfortunately Sirken went with the nuclear option and fully depopped Lodi so it was a lose/lose for everybody. Nobody won.

In hindsight given the option between what happened and just letting AG have the kill, we all agreed that we would have just let AG have the kill. We didn't expect Sirken's heavy hand to completely wipe the mob. I don't blame the guy who filed the petition cause it was a legitimate strategy to give us the best chance at getting him, but at the same time I'd be mad if I were the AG duo. I don't know if there was an attempt to even talk it out before the petition/Sirken was involved, but if there's any fault there, it's that. BG/AG have been competing on a few different mobs the last couple weeks and we've always gone out of our way to keep it above board, friendly competition.

So sorry you guys lost Lodi. I've got both my shm and monk in IC and I'm going to be trying to get Lodi over the next couple days for the map piece (since I think Sirken messing with the Lodi repop actually popped Stormfeather for me and I got him after I logged back to my monk!). If you guys want to team up with ME even if not all of BG I'm willing to torpor or DPS to help with the kill.

[Freakish]

New Lodizal rules verified and compiled by me:
Start of window everyone /random 1000. Winner gets to engage Lodizal. Only someone needing the map piece can random otherwise you'll just have people bringing their whole guild to roll for one person. It would be nice if people who didn't win also helped out. If you clickfest this you will be petitioned good luck everyone.

[skarlorn]

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[Pokesan]

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[skarlorn]

I'm really glad I could share this moment with you, Pokesan!

[dennardscott86]

i've been scoping out yourporn.sexy recently there were a couple of super hot colombian chicks i squirted too

I loves me some Latinas bro, you just earned 1 free non-petitioned train towards BG.

[Lulz~Sect]

me 3

[orangemang]

I love what this is becoming <3 MMMmmmmmm Latina women *drool*

[Rivera]

Rules lawyering. This doesn't happen on Red.

Blood Guard is absolutely trashy for this.

[orangemang]

^ Look everyone. Actual cancer has shown up in the thread.

[Maldarian]

Gotta learn to play the system. Just be glad you didn't get a 2 month ban as a result.

[sereal]

Rules lawyering. This doesn't happen on Red.

You have to have more than 5 people on a server to have these things happen.

[Mead]

I'm hoping that all of this was a result of the guy trolling server chat with lodi death time

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282517

If so, well played

[gkmarino]

Petition the staff for a KS on Grizlin Bloodfang

Hey OP, I'm glad you're not in denial of openly KSing, that's the first step to recovery.

[aaezil]

"New Lodizal rules verified and compiled by me:
Start of window everyone /random 1000. Winner gets to engage Lodizal. Only someone needing the map piece can random otherwise you'll just have people bringing their whole guild to roll for one person. It would be nice if people who didn't win also helped out. If you clickfest this you will be petitioned good luck everyone."

[Mead]

"New Lodizal rules verified and compiled by me:
Start of window everyone /random 1000. Winner gets to engage Lodizal. Only someone needing the map piece can random otherwise you'll just have people bringing their whole guild to roll for one person. It would be nice if people who didn't win also helped out. If you clickfest this you will be petitioned good luck everyone."

Can you sell your roll?

And can we get two threads about this in server chat? One with a poll?

[Rivera]

^ Look everyone. Actual cancer has shown up in the thread. Nice one! Blood Guard really knocking those big targets out aren't they?

You have to have more than 5 people on a server to have these things happen. Touche

The lower tier raid scene is so toxic :O The raid scene period does tbh..

[Droog007]

1: We never pretended to be camping the gnoll. We openly admitted that we engaged the gnoll at spawn because it was the only legal move we had to try and get a chance at Lodi. This was the first thing said to Sirken from BG.

3: Called out in OOC that Charming an engaged mob is considered KS, you did not respond.

Here is logs from my wife's PC with a guy who seems to be saying that he's really interested in killing Grizlin, her responses to him, and my objection in ooc. Nowhere in this exchange did anyone say, "we're really just cockblocking this mob from you, deal with it."

[Sun Oct 08] AGGuy says out of character, 'what's this now?'
[Sun Oct 08] Grizlin Bloodfang tells you, 'Attacking Lodizal Master.'
[Sun Oct 08] AGGuy says out of character, 'some interfering/>'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude1 says out of character, 'KS'n also'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude1 says out of character, 'tsk tsk'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'i killing that need it '
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'i woz killing Grizlin Bloodfang'
[Sun Oct 08] You say, 'you can get him afterwards'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'U KS my MOB>>'
[Sun Oct 08] You say, 'it's not dead'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude1 says out of character, 'enjoy it while it lasts, can't charm an engaged mob. It's a KS'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'U KS my MOB>> Grizlin Bloodfang i woz killing '
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'KS is KS >'

I was left with only one recourse without risking our group getting a ban by interfering and that was to petition.
Recourse #2: Back the fuck off, get a timer, try again.

(You had not killed the gnoll before, therefore it was an open camp as far as camp rules are concerned)

Not true.
Logs from my FTE listener:
[Sun Oct 08] Lodizal engages Grizlin Bloodfang!
[Sun Oct 08] Lodizal tells you, 'You got next bruh. GL and thx!'

2: We engaged the gnoll first, I have the logs of the encounter and of our conversation with Sirken as proof. It doesn't matter that we weren't there for the gnoll. We made a strategic decision based on what was available. You acknowledged to Sirken that you aren't allowed to charm an engaged mob.

Yes, it's probably true that you were able to engage the mob first when it spawned, but my wife was there waiting for it to spawn, just inside Tash range, wondering what the hell you guys were doing. Grizlin Bloodfang is not an FTE mob. If you wanted the next spawn, maybe call a camp check? We were in the zone, looking forward to his respawn when you arrived.

I would always agree when someone says that it's not OK to charm a mob that is obviously engaged, this is common knowledge. That wasn't really the case here. Enchanter was far enough away that melee animations are not drawn on the client. She thought you guys were maybe going to charm the mob for yourselves. If you had done that, she'd have asked me what to do next and I'd have told her to just charm something else. But instead you guys just acted like you wanted to kill him for loot or exp... which you would have been welcome to only a few minutes later when we were finished with him.

(You also gave 2 separate reasons at 2 separate times during our conversation with Sirken as to why you were stalling)

I never admitted I was stalling. At no time during the encounter was I just running around because I could not do anything else. I landed slow right about the time you guys arrived and started whining. Shortly after that I let him close to melee range to torpor tank and stick some dots while waiting for the ENC to arrive with the pet.

AGGal says, 'we were only stalling because Lodizal had killed the gnolls. We were waiting for them to respawn'

This was an unfortunate choice of words on my wife's part. She's a bit of a noob. She should have just said that it was taking us longer than usual to get DPS rolling.

[xx:16:51 2017] Lodizal engages AGGuy!
[xx:20:12 2017] Lodizal yawns.
[xx:21:24 2017] BGDude1 says out of character, 'can't stall it buddy'
[xx:21:53 2017] Auto attack is on.

This is not too bad by current standards.

4: You weren't even in zone during spawn because we had someone there camping SF at spawn. So don't pull the camp the mob card. False. I had a character in zone, and an audio trigger to wake me up. Pretty sure I've got you beat clean on tracking effort here. Since I made it my mission to get a belt from Lodi, I've been all over his shit. No luck with drop table yet, and toxic shit like this keeps happening also.

5: You got outlawyered.
FTFY. IIRC, we had the gnoll charmed and the turtle nearly dead when staff arrived and despawned it, to my great surprise. You guys were holding your dicks.

I'm sorry you feel wronged
Calling bullshit on that.

your shaman was seconds from death
Lol? Slowed Lodi is pretty easy to tank even with my ghetto gear. Just can't load up DoTs like I'd like to.

Next time a call goes out in OOC in regards to something you have just done, try responding and a GM won't have to be involved. We could have worked something out possibly.
You mean you wished for me to respond to your claim on the Grizlin camp? I was supposed to engage with you in a conversation, while killing Lodizal, about an alleged KS on another mob that we had no intention of killing? If you recall from above, my wife did speak to the person who had gone after him and all he could do was say, "U KS MY MOB!". I guess what you really mean is that I should have submitted to your ransom demands. Fuck that.

It's a shame it came to that instead of you just admitting that you were outplayed and giving kudos on what was a smart move. I would have, but of course when I go to Lodi on my enchanter I charm the gnoll before spawn/engage because it's just that easy for someone to throw your strategy right out the window.Ah yes, I remember you being there. It was one of those times that BG got FTE and then fell on their fucking faces. Picture getting clearer...

At the end of the day, it's a game. Don't get your feelings hurt over it. We felt that [staff] should have allowed you two a chance at Lodi without the gnoll and we would have accepted it if you two could have pulled it off. Hell, I would have applauded you both!
You really think Staff would have like, reset the mob and been like, ok you guys can try again, but you don't get to use the good gnoll... are you listening to yourself right now? We could have killed that mob with a snow cougar, but it would have been really boring for you to watch.... but at least you'd still have your dick in your hands.

[orangemang]

Here is logs from my wife's PC with a guy who seems to be saying that he's really interested in killing Grizlin, her responses to him, and my objection in ooc. Nowhere in this exchange did anyone say, "we're really just cockblocking this mob from you, deal with it."

[Sun Oct 08] AGGuy says out of character, 'what's this now?'
[Sun Oct 08] Grizlin Bloodfang tells you, 'Attacking Lodizal Master.'
[Sun Oct 08] AGGuy says out of character, 'some interfering/>'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude1 says out of character, 'KS'n also'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude1 says out of character, 'tsk tsk'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'i killing that need it '
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'i woz killing Grizlin Bloodfang'
[Sun Oct 08] You say, 'you can get him afterwards'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'U KS my MOB>>'
[Sun Oct 08] You say, 'it's not dead'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude1 says out of character, 'enjoy it while it lasts, can't charm an engaged mob. It's a KS'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'U KS my MOB>> Grizlin Bloodfang i woz killing '
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'KS is KS >'


Recourse #2: Back the fuck off, get a timer, try again.



Not true.
Logs from my FTE listener:
[Sun Oct 08] Lodizal engages Grizlin Bloodfang!
[Sun Oct 08] Lodizal tells you, 'You got next bruh. GL and thx!'



Yes, it's probably true that you were able to engage the mob first when it spawned, but my wife was there waiting for it to spawn, just inside Tash range, wondering what the hell you guys were doing. Grizlin Bloodfang is not an FTE mob. If you wanted the next spawn, maybe call a camp check? We were in the zone, looking forward to his respawn when you arrived.

I would always agree when someone says that it's not OK to charm a mob that is obviously engaged, this is common knowledge. That wasn't really the case here. Enchanter was far enough away that melee animations are not drawn on the client. She thought you guys were maybe going to charm the mob for yourselves. If you had done that, she'd have asked me what to do next and I'd have told her to just charm something else. But instead you guys just acted like you wanted to kill him for loot or exp... which you would have been welcome to only a few minutes later when we were finished with him.



I never admitted I was stalling. At no time during the encounter was I just running around because I could not do anything else. I landed slow right about the time you guys arrived and started whining. Shortly after that I let him close to melee range to torpor tank and stick some dots while waiting for the ENC to arrive with the pet.

AGGal says, 'we were only stalling because Lodizal had killed the gnolls. We were waiting for them to respawn'

This was an unfortunate choice of words on my wife's part. She's a bit of a noob. She should have just said that it was taking us longer than usual to get DPS rolling.

[xx:16:51 2017] Lodizal engages AGGuy!
[xx:20:12 2017] Lodizal yawns.
[xx:21:24 2017] BGDude1 says out of character, 'can't stall it buddy'
[xx:21:53 2017] Auto attack is on.

This is not too bad by current standards.

False. I had a character in zone, and an audio trigger to wake me up. Pretty sure I've got you beat clean on tracking effort here. Since I made it my mission to get a belt from Lodi, I've been all over his shit. No luck with drop table yet, and toxic shit like this keeps happening also.


FTFY. IIRC, we had the gnoll charmed and the turtle nearly dead when staff arrived and despawned it, to my great surprise. You guys were holding your dicks.


Calling bullshit on that.


Lol? Slowed Lodi is pretty easy to tank even with my ghetto gear. Just can't load up DoTs like I'd like to.


You mean you wished for me to respond to your claim on the Grizlin camp? I was supposed to engage with you in a conversation, while killing Lodizal, about an alleged KS on another mob that we had no intention of killing? If you recall from above, my wife did speak to the person who had gone after him and all he could do was say, "U KS MY MOB!". I guess what you really mean is that I should have submitted to your ransom demands. Fuck that.

Ah yes, I remember you being there. It was one of those times that BG got FTE and then fell on their fucking faces. Picture getting clearer...


You really think Staff would have like, reset the mob and been like, ok you guys can try again, but you don't get to use the good gnoll... are you listening to yourself right now? We could have killed that mob with a snow cougar, but it would have been really boring for you to watch.... but at least you'd still have your dick in your hands.
Then I guess you should have used a snow cougar?

I'm not even going to continue attempting to discuss this if all you can do is reply like you're a 5 year old. You got outplayed mate and then decided to risk it anyway. Move on with your life already.

[sereal]

Then I guess you should have used a snow cougar?

I'm not even going to continue attempting to discuss this if all you can do is reply like you're a 5 year old. You got outplayed mate and then decided to risk it anyway. Move on with your life already.

Sound salty that buddy actually has a pretty good argument. post logs.

[Droog007]

I'm not even going to continue attempting to discuss this if all you can do is reply like you're a 5 year old.

U KS MY MOB .... lol.

I'm gonna go ahead and put this one in the "Win" column.

[orangemang]

Actually i do apologize for the 5 year old comment. Seriously though, don't let a game control you so much people. The rest however I stand behind. We made a legitimate tactical move to take away your advantage on a highly contested mob. It's called competition. As I stated, I would have been impressed if someone had done it to me. Pissed? Sure, but impressed but I wouldn't be on RnF throwing a fit.

I am however not unblocking OP and logging out of this cesspool in RnF. Peace Out.

[Rivera]

^ Blood Guard is trash. To get any loot they have to actively zerg and play dirty against a few people at Lodizal.

LOL.

[Tankdan]

Dont know if I can ever invite Blood Guard into my groups after this incident.

[mattydef]

That's some pussy shit by BG. Even funnier when they say "it's just a game" yet they resort to scumbag tactics over fucking lodizal. I'm not surprised though, isn't blood guard just a bunch of rejects merged together?

[Rivera]

^ It's the newb leveling guild Veloci Shift merged with some rejects from AG.

[branamil]

If your plan to kill a mob involves /petition then you're scum.

[Sadiki]

Sometimes I wonder if I can relive the good old EQ days where I have no friends and grief and petition everyone around me to feel better about myself, but other servers don't have the environment I'm looking for.

Luckily, P99 is there for me.

[Dreenk317]

This is hilarious. As far as I'm concerned AG duo is mad that BG duo didn't get in trouble, when AG duo are the ones that have admittedly broken rules, so they came to rnf to try to make everyone in BG look bad. That's salt right there, way to look like top tier people AG.


Bottom line, as sirken said, you can not cast anything on an engaged mob or it can be viewed as ks'ing.

Also, to the whole "my wife was standing out of melee animation range so she didn't know you were attacking the mob when she tashed/charmed". Personally, never seen this happen, especially when I'm within spell range. And Did she not have the mob targeted in order to tash/charm? If so she would have seen the hp dropping...... and known it was engaged and that her actions were that of a KS.

And yet again, doesn't matter why they are killing a mob, if you think they need it or not, if it's engaged, you can't touch it. BG did what they could, within the rules, to try to secure themselves a kill.... AG broke the rules in an attempt to secure themselves the same kill... I thought AG was above this sort of shit and RNF in general. Nemce would be proud.

[Dreenk317]

^ Blood Guard is trash. To get any loot they have to actively zerg and play dirty against a few people at Lodizal.

LOL.

And LOL at actively Zerg, pretty sure they struggle to field more than 30 people for a raid, and have killed Vox with as little as six 52's... didn't AG just bring like 70+ to a severilous kill? People can kill AoW with less than that.....

[dirty_duck]

The rest however I stand behind. We made a legitimate tactical move to take away your advantage on a highly contested mob.

What is there to stand behind? You claimed in this thread you "never pretended to be camping the gnoll" and then this dude posts logs proving you to be completely full of shit and that's exactly what you did.

If being little dickless lying cunts like this is the only way you can "get a chance at Lodi" you might as well disband now.

[branamil]

[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'i woz killing Grizlin Bloodfang'

Do people unironically talk like this

[Cecily]

So AG KSes a mob and gets their mob KSed by staff? Pretty funny.

[Dreenk317]

So AG KSes a mob and gets their mob KSed by staff? Pretty funny.

and then come to RNF to blame BG for "forcing" them to KS, while claiming they could have done it with a snow cougar. And you are also blaming orangewhatever for something another person said, orangewhatever said HE never said they were camping gnoll, it was another BG that said he was killing it and needed it, and guess what, he did need it, needed it to deny AG there kill. Which was completely within the rules, what wasnt within the rules was AG charming it off of them. That was a KS, straight up, no defense against it.

[Dreenk317]

What is there to stand behind? You claimed in this thread you "never pretended to be camping the gnoll" and then this dude posts logs proving you to be completely full of shit and that's exactly what you did.

If being little dickless lying cunts like this is the only way you can "get a chance at Lodi" you might as well disband now.

what logs prove he was camping the gnoll? the log that shows someone saying "you ks'ed my mob, i woz killing that"?
or that one that said "i needed that"?

neither prove "camping" and if your only defense, is that he mispoke and said camping when he shouldnt have, (btw, the person that said those things WAS not the person that claimed he wasnt camping the gnoll, so ya, reading comprehension ftw) what about the poor word choice of OP's wife where she literally said they were stalling till the named respawned....

also, they posted logs that clearly contained a doctored log file, kind of makes it all fishy imo, ive never had lodi send me a tell after he kills something, and hes never called me "bruh" and i thought me and him were friends.....


And yet again, AG ks'ed, admitted to it, and is mad at BG for "forcing" them to or some shit? thats a new one, "You made me break the rules and i semi got in trouble for it, so im gonna try to make everyone hate you! rawr!!"

[Manasana2]

As an old officer of AG few months ago and now leader of BG its pretty funny they went to RNF about this.Honestly just makes and proves AG screwed up lol . I was told the whole story have proof we took that gnoll down to almost 20% before they charmed it off of BG to use to kill lodi. also rules state that you should try to work it out with that person or persons before going into petition lawyerquest mode. BG tried that and AG ignored them.. petition sent and sirken showed up instantly... Lodi is always a shitshow =(

[Dreenk317]

4 minutes of kiting before slow, yet at no time were you unable to do anything else? and then 2 minutes after slow before melee engage? not stalling at all

[LiQuid]

And LOL at actively Zerg, pretty sure they struggle to field more than 30 people for a raid, and have killed Vox with as little as six 52's... didn't AG just bring like 70+ to a severilous kill? People can kill AoW with less than that.....

Yeah that was fun when we zerged Vox that one time with 6 of us.

https://i.imgur.com/Q8A0NrA.png

We routinely kill Vox with less than 10 people. Here's us zerging Vindi with around 30.

https://i.imgur.com/MtrfTOc.jpg

Coulda been less easily but Manasana keeps recruiting druids for some reason and they keep showing up to raids for some reason. Baffling to be honest. :confused:

[Gozuk]

5: You got outplayed.

Cringe

[Triiz]

Meanwhile the poor schmuck that KS'd an AC is 2 months into his ban.

Everyone involved should be ashamed.

[bigT88]

That's some pussy shit by BG. Even funnier when they say "it's just a game" yet they resort to scumbag tactics over fucking lodizal. I'm not surprised though, isn't blood guard just a bunch of rejects merged together?

[Mead]

2 years+ worth of Lodizal kills and we're supposed to give a shit about this one

https://i.imgur.com/JXW7hNi.gif

[Zemus]

As an old officer of AG few months ago and now leader of BG its pretty funny they went to RNF about this.Honestly just makes and proves AG screwed up lol . I was told the whole story have proof we took that gnoll down to almost 20% before they charmed it off of BG to use to kill lodi. also rules state that you should try to work it out with that person or persons before going into petition lawyerquest mode. BG tried that and AG ignored them.. petition sent and sirken showed up instantly... Lodi is always a shitshow =(


Aaaaaand their guild leader shows up for damage control LOL

[LiQuid]

Aaaaaand their guild leader shows up for damage control LOL

Co-leader. The other go-leader already showed up on page 1 to show his respects.

Damn OP, in high school you were the man OP.... What the fuck happened to you??

:D

[Lhancelot]

As an old officer of AG few months ago and now leader of BG its pretty funny they went to RNF about this.Honestly just makes and proves AG screwed up lol . I was told the whole story have proof we took that gnoll down to almost 20% before they charmed it off of BG to use to kill lodi. also rules state that you should try to work it out with that person or persons before going into petition lawyerquest mode. BG tried that and AG ignored them.. petition sent and sirken showed up instantly... Lodi is always a shitshow =(

First, AG geared your army of alts by showering you with pixels for years.

Then they promoted you to a leadership position to learn proper methods of leading nerds on raids.

Then you abandon AG creating dissension not only in AG but also VS, as both guilds lost members to join you in BG.

Now you turn this into a BG vs. AG thread with one shitpost.

This is how you thank AG for all they did for you? :(

Both sides are cringeworthy here.

All I see are self-entitled/antisocial nerds that refuse to communicate to one another who threaten/use petitioning as a weapon to get pixels.

Makes me sad.

[k2summit]

This cries out to the heavens for vindication for 2month AC KS ban guy.

[Freakish]

Look, a/a can make a raid rotation. Why can't we just rotate Lodizal? I'll take the bullet and be first up on the list. Hell I won't even show up again after that, just so the line isn't ridiculous.

[Glasken]

Look, a/a can make a raid rotation. Why can't we just rotate Lodizal? I'll take the bullet and be first up on the list. Hell I won't even show up again after that, just so the line isn't ridiculous.

Quality problem solving right here.

[orangemang]

The level of salt here rivals that of the Dead Sea.

Kudos to the trolls. You guys are killing it no matter which side you're attacking.

[Droog007]

AG duo are the ones that have admittedly broken rules, so they came to rnf to try to make everyone in BG look bad.

Bottom line, as sirken said, you can not cast anything on an engaged mob or it can be viewed as ks'ing.

I do not admit that we broke any rules, in fact I'm counter-suing. I think staff made the wrong call here (honoring FTE on a non-FTE mob that we were arguably already camping), but I'm not harping on that because I read the sticky.

Also, to the whole "my wife was standing out of melee animation range so she didn't know you were attacking the mob when she tashed/charmed". Personally, never seen this happen, especially when I'm within spell range. And Did she not have the mob targeted in order to tash/charm? If so she would have seen the hp dropping...... and known it was engaged and that her actions were that of a KS.

Tash has a pretty long range. Maybe it doesn't happen for everyone. /shrug. Happens for both of us though, so maybe it's a client settings thing? The mob spawned while she was casting Bedlam, then she Tashed. How much damage do you think really got done in that period of time (guessing 4-5s) to a L51 monk mob?

and then come to RNF to blame BG for "forcing" them to KS, while claiming they could have done it with a snow cougar. And you are also blaming orangewhatever for something another person said, orangewhatever said HE never said they were camping gnoll, it was another BG that said he was killing it and needed it, and guess what, he did need it, needed it to deny AG there kill. Which was completely within the rules, what wasnt within the rules was AG charming it off of them. That was a KS, straight up, no defense against it.

This is a gem right here. I just wanted to put a frame around it. Grizlin was conflated with Lodizal... and that was BG's fault. You don't get to pick it back apart.

she literally said they were stalling ... doctored log file, kind of makes it all fishy imo, ive never had lodi send me a tell after he kills something, and hes never called me "bruh" and i thought me and him were friends.....

... AG ks'ed, admitted to it...

Asked and answered. Logs doctored to remove Lodi spawn window (now defunct) as well as names (since I post semi-anonymously). Fake Lodi tell was to illustrate the fact that I was aware of Grizlin's approximate ToD and that I knew he was killed by an NPC. Sure as shit means the camp was effectively ours to claim.

Do not admit to KS. Grizlin never died - was despawned by staff. Admit to not being able to instantly cast charm on the mob we were camping.

*spastic rambling and nonsense*
I came to RNF because I got a shit deal and wanted to vent. It's working. I feel a little better. I'd like to see proof that Grizlin was at 20% when Tash landed. I even kinda doubt that you got it backwards and he was *down* 20%. Lawyerquest was 50% of BG's strategy. They petitioned when the fight had barely started. If they wanted to negotiate, they should have waited 5 minutes so I could fucking speak without a giant turtle gnawing on my face.

4 minutes of kiting before slow, yet at no time were you unable to do anything else? and then 2 minutes after slow before melee engage? not stalling at all
You again? You're a fucking idiot. No, that's not a stall. There was a brief period of no direct action on Lodi during that FOUR MINUTES when I needed to heal the enchanter.

[Detoxx]

Lol Lodizal

[Lojik]

I think I like CCRs rendition of Lodi better

[Nathaniel]

1: We never pretended to be camping the gnoll. We openly admitted that we engaged the gnoll at spawn because it was the only legal move we had to try and get a chance at Lodi. This was the first thing said to Sirken from BG.

(You had not killed the gnoll before, therefore it was an open camp as far as camp rules are concerned)

2: We engaged the gnoll first, I have the logs of the encounter and of our conversation with Sirken as proof. It doesn't matter that we weren't there for the gnoll. We made a strategic decision based on what was available. You acknowledged to Sirken that you aren't allowed to charm an engaged mob. (You also gave 2 separate reasons at 2 separate times during our conversation with Sirken as to why you were stalling)

3: Called out in OOC that Charming an engaged mob is considered KS, you did not respond. I was left with only one recourse without risking our group getting a ban by interfering and that was to petition.

4: You weren't even in zone during spawn because we had someone there camping SF at spawn. So don't pull the camp the mob card.

5: You got outplayed. I'm sorry you feel wronged but it was a strategic maneuver, the same as a a leap frog. The game is meant to be competitive in times like this. We came in and saw a weakness in your strategy and we monopolized that weakness. From the very beginning we admitted that we engaged the gnoll to get a chance at Lodi as your shaman was seconds from death until you charmed (an engaged mob that was not going to be alive much longer) and the gnoll ran over to assist.

As said after the GM ruling, it was nothing personal and is a highly contested mob. Just as with any contested mob everyone wants to win. We did nothing wrong, even after you charmed our engaged mob we were told by leadership to stand down and not interfere. Next time a call goes out in OOC in regards to something you have just done, try responding and a GM won't have to be involved. We could have worked something out possibly.

It's a shame it came to that instead of you just admitting that you were outplayed and giving kudos on what was a smart move. I would have, but of course when I go to Lodi on my enchanter I charm the gnoll before spawn/engage because it's just that easy for someone to throw your strategy right out the window.

At the end of the day, it's a game. Don't get your feelings hurt over it. We felt that Sirken should have allowed you two a chance at Lodi without the gnoll and we would have accepted it if you two could have pulled it off. Hell, I would have applauded you both!

Wow! There are several ways in wich you can be a dick without breaking server rules. This is a good example.

[LiQuid]

Wow! There are several ways in wich you can be a dick without breaking server rules. This is a good example.
There are infinite ways to be a dick without breaking the rules and I see them every day from literally every guild. How does this even rate? Guy was just trying to give his guildies a shot at the mob. Like I said early in this thread I would have preferred just giving the kill and loot to AG over Sirken nuking it but THEY are the ones that broke the rules, not us.

[Pokesan]

competition = intentionally screwing over other players for your own gain

hehe

[Droog007]

THEY are the ones that broke the rules, not us.

I appreciate your take on this, and I know that I have to abide by the staff's ruling even if I think it's wrong. But, please explain how I broke rules.

We were waiting for Grizlin to spawn (kinda the definition of camping). We were in the zone before BG (kinda gives us the edge on a dispute). We engaged the mob shortly after it spawned (the definition of maintaining a camp).

[Papa]

just p99 things

[orangemang]

I'm glad OP is feeling better about himself.

Been sharing this thread around my office this morning and everyone is getting a good laugh out of it.

[Kodim]

This sounds more fun than raiding in A/A where half the mobs are rotated.

[Dreenk317]

Yes, it's probably true that you were able to engage the mob first when it spawned, but my wife was there waiting for it to spawn, just inside Tash range, wondering what the hell you guys were doing. Grizlin Bloodfang is not an FTE mob. If you wanted the next spawn, maybe call a camp check? We were in the zone, looking forward to his respawn when you arrived.

I would always agree when someone says that it's not OK to charm a mob that is obviously engaged, this is common knowledge. That wasn't really the case here. Enchanter was far enough away that melee animations are not drawn on the client. She thought you guys were maybe going to charm the mob for yourselves. If you had done that, she'd have asked me what to do next and I'd have told her to just charm something else. But instead you guys just acted like you wanted to kill him for loot or exp... which you would have been welcome to only a few minutes later when we were finished with him.



I never admitted I was stalling. At no time during the encounter was I just running around because I could not do anything else. I landed slow right about the time you guys arrived and started whining. Shortly after that I let him close to melee range to torpor tank and stick some dots while waiting for the ENC to arrive with the pet.

AGGal says, 'we were only stalling because Lodizal had killed the gnolls. We were waiting for them to spawn.

FTFY. IIRC, we had the gnoll charmed and the turtle nearly dead when staff arrived and despawned it, to my great surprise. You guys were holding your dicks in your hands.


Cut down your post a bit. But ya, you admit to stalling, your wife straight says "stalling". And I'm sorry if she's a bit of a noob and used a poor choice of words, it's still stalling.
You claim at no time were you kiting without being able to do anything else. But she straight up said, in not so many words, that you were kiting in circles because you couldn't do anything else UNTILL the gnoll spawned.

You also admit to knowing it's wrong to charm an engaged mob but not knowing it's against the rules?!? Right..... I'm sure you weren't aware that that is technically considered a KS, even if your willing to "let them kill it when our done with it"and there is absolutely no way for ANYONE to cast tash and charm on a mob without targeting it. If it was targeted you can see its hp, regardless of if your "outside melee animation range" (which, really? Your claiming this as a thing?) therefore you knew it was engaged and chose to charm it anyway. A clear, and undeniable violation of the rules. Because guess what, EVERY MOB IN THIS GAME IS AN FTE MOB, regardless of if it has an FTE message, and regardless of wether or not you think "it should really be a camp".

And to top it all off, you give BG shit for "standing with there dicks in there hands" after you charm KS'ed them and used it to kill Lodi. So your making fun of them for not making a bad situation worse and trying to KS back by taking Lodi? Would have given you some ground to stand on if they had sure. But guess what, they didn't, because they knew it was against the rules.

Congrats, you suck at arguing, BG outplayed you, you got butt hurt, came to rants and flames to try to make them look bad (something I thought AG was above) and then just made yourselfs look like idiots in my, and others opinions. Sure, you got some people throwing salt on it with you, but everyone knows AG hates BG, maybe it has to do with BG having 25% of the numbers and contesting AG on some of there mobs, I don't know, but I do know I think it's funny watching inbox yell concede as soon as a BG enters whatever zone he's trying to raid in.

Things have apparently changed for AG, I don't ever remember seeing them in RNF, and I don't ever remember them crying wolf with bullshit concessions.

Is this the new AG meta game, cry wolf and RNF till we get mobs again?

[indiscriminate_hater]

Now I've heard that on red, this wouldn't be a problem. Could somebody please confirm or deny?

[orangemang]

This sounds more fun than raiding in A/A where half the mobs are rotated.

Right? What's the point in Classic EQ if you don't want competition and are going to ks and then cry to the forums when someone is able to effectively negate your strategy.

[Dreenk317]

I appreciate your take on this, and I know that I have to abide by the staff's ruling even if I think it's wrong. But, please explain how I broke rules.

We were waiting for Grizlin to spawn (kinda the definition of camping). We were in the zone before BG (kinda gives us the edge on a dispute). We engaged the mob shortly after it had been engaged by people that weren't us (the definition of maintaining a camp).

Fixed it for you, now if you read it you will understand how you are in the wrong.

[-TK-]

competition = intentionally screwing over other players for your own gain

hehe

This is the culture that the project management has fostered here for years, so people need to get on board and get over it. Whether it's Lodi or some other contested target, you've got to be on your game. Sounds like the BG guys knew their opponent's strategy, and they did what they could to increase their chances of getting a shot at the mob they wanted within the exhaustive rules of the game. This is competition. AG took the bait, in the process breaking rules, and they paid the price - even with AG claiming to be 'camping' Grizlin, BG somehow tagged it first? Learn and play better next time. We don't all have to be friends here.

I'm not associated with either party.

[Pokesan]

This is the culture that the project management has fostered here for years, so people need to get on board and get over it. Whether it's Lodi or some other contested target, you've got to be on your game. Sounds like the BG guys knew their opponent's strategy, and they did what they could to increase their chances of getting a shot at the mob they wanted within the exhaustive rules of the game. This is competition. AG took the bait, in the process breaking rules, and they paid the price - even with AG claiming to be 'camping' Grizlin, BG somehow tagged it first? Learn and play better next time. We don't all have to be friends here.

I'm not associated with either party.

well at least you're impartial in arguing in favor of cancer. that's something.

[rebeccablack]

Now I've heard that on red, this wouldn't be a problem. Could somebody please confirm or deny?
contested mob disputes like this dontt often happen on a server with fewer active players than zones in the game world

[Droog007]

Cut down your post a bit. But ya, you admit to stalling, your wife straight says "stalling". And I'm sorry if she's a bit of a noob and used a poor choice of words, it's still stalling.
You claim at no time were you kiting without being able to do anything else. But she straight up said, in not so many words, that you were kiting in circles because you couldn't do anything else UNTILL the gnoll spawned.
Then, on my wife's behalf, I officially UN-ADMIT to stalling. Because we didn't. Your stalling claim is a desperate and pitiful attempt to steer away from your bullshit. For one, I can kite the thing as long as I want when there's no one else there to kill it. Please recall that ALL of the 4 MINUTES you are bitching about elapsed before you guys arrived on the scene and announced your presence. TWENTY NINE SECONDS elapsed between the time I heard the time-worn bullshit song of "no stalling" and me stabbing Lodi in the face with my spear.

Paragraph 2. I just can't ...
EVERY MOB IN THIS GAME IS AN FTE MOBReally...?
And to top it all off, you give BG shit for "standing with there dicks in there hands"I was offended by the notion that I'd been outplayed, when in reality I had merely been outdouched. I lashed out, and I'm sorry.

Congrats, you suck at arguing ... came to rants and flames to try to make them look bad ... just made yourselfs look like idiots ... Can I get a ruling on this?

... AG hates BG ... Getting there... I didn't want Manasana to go, but honestly it's been a bit of a relief. Other than his story and prior to this bullshit, I could not give fewer fucks.

... cry wolf ...You mean like hitting the "GM button" because you failed to steal a camped mob in an effort to cunt your way into a Lodi kill?

[Droog007]

I'm lookin' Emerald Jungle ..... and feelin' Icelad Oceaaaan...

I'm feelin'...

OUTDOUCHED, OUTDOUCHED, OUTDOUCHED!

[dennardscott86]

Lol Lodizal

HEY HEY no one asked you sir and we both know that if AM had the LODI timer there would have been a train the size of Montana from a Ban-disposable toon followed by 80 Lv 60 AM members poofing in out of nowhere like Harry Potter yelling CONCEDE CONCEDE because AFTERMATH.

[orangemang]

Then, on my wife's behalf, I officially UN-ADMIT to stalling. Because we didn't. Your stalling claim is a desperate and pitiful attempt to steer away from your bullshit. For one, I can kite the thing as long as I want when there's no one else there to kill it. Please recall that ALL of the 4 MINUTES you are bitching about elapsed before you guys arrived on the scene and announced your presence. TWENTY NINE SECONDS elapsed between the time I heard the time-worn bullshit song of "no stalling" and me stabbing Lodi in the face with my spear.

I just can't ...
Really...?
I was offended by the notion that I'd been outplayed, when in reality I had merely been outdouched. I lashed out, and I'm sorry.

Can I get a ruling on this?

Getting there... I didn't want Manasana to go, but honestly it's been a bit of a relief. Other than his story and prior to this bullshit, I could not give fewer fucks.

You mean like hitting the "GM button" because you failed to steal a camped mob in an effort to cunt your way into a Lodi kill?


It wasn't a notion. You were outplayed. Grow up and deal with it because it happens in life. Next time park your chanter on the gnoll spawn and not run her over to it once you realize it was about to get taken as soon as it spawned. Claiming she was in tash range...You were both standing around with your dicks in your hand by Lodi when they went to get the gnoll.

I'm no longer sorry at all you feel wronged. We made a move to take away your advantage, you charmed our engaged mob anyway. End of story. Whether it's a dick move or not is subjective. It was legal and a smart play. Grow the fuck up man. Good luck on your belt. I know I was happy when I got mine several weeks ago.

I have some really good friends in AG that I get in skype calls with and group with regularly. I got a congrats tell from an AG member when we got the Sev FTE 2 weeks ago during that entire cluster fuck. I respect the hell out of the majority of your guilds member base. I am sorry they have to deal with you though and thankful that I don't.

See kids, this is what happens when you give people participation trophies.

[Dreenk317]

Then, on my wife's behalf, I officially UN-ADMIT to stalling. Because we didn't. Your stalling claim is a desperate and pitiful attempt to steer away from your bullshit. For one, I can kite the thing as long as I want when there's no one else there to kill it. Please recall that ALL of the 4 MINUTES you are bitching about elapsed before you guys arrived on the scene and announced your presence. TWENTY NINE SECONDS elapsed between the time I heard the time-worn bullshit song of "no stalling" and me stabbing Lodi in the face with my spear.

I just can't ...
Really...?
I was offended by the notion that I'd been outplayed, when in reality I had merely been outdouched. I lashed out, and I'm sorry.

Can I get a ruling on this?

Getting there... I didn't want Manasana to go, but honestly it's been a bit of a relief. Other than his story and prior to this bullshit, I could not give fewer fucks.

You mean like hitting the "GM button" because you failed to steal a camped mob in an effort to cunt your way into a Lodi kill?


I wasn't there, not my stalling claim. Merely pointing out that you made a claim of not stalling and that according to your own logs there was a 4 minute period of no activity between FTE and first action. That would be a stall. And BG didn't fail to steal a camped mob. YOU successfully stole an engaged mob. And there is no "GM button". You broke a rule, chose not to respond to them, could've said "please wait" or something real fast so they didn't feel ignored. And they filed a petition, sirken answered quickly. And don't pretend AG doesn't petition lol. Inbox yells concede at literally every contested mob he's at, regardless of if any rules have been violated, only a matter of time till the crying wolf ban imo.

[-TK-]

well at least you're impartial in arguing in favor of cancer. that's something.

There's nothing to argue. It's clearly the way it has been, the way it is, and the way it will be in the foreseeable future based on comments and rulings by the project staff. People looking for feel goodz constantly beating a dead horse that there is some P99 moral code (outside of the very general play nice policy) that has to be adhered to refuse to open their eyes, and don't seem to understand what's happening when things don't go their way and their ego/feelings get hurt.

Separately, if your idea of cancer is a strategic move to best your competition within the rules, then you may have been awarded one too many participation trophies. You can either choose to play by the rules and get ahead, or limit yourself and stand on whatever moral ground you see fit and end up where you end up from that. That decision is a personal one for each player, but the rules are for everyone.

[NecroP99]

I feel this is in violation of the play nice policy since the accused have basically said "Yes we were griefing OP by stealing his charm DPS that we knew he needed and that lots of people routinely use". Hope Sirken bans you TBH

[Lhancelot]

Claiming she was in tash range...You were both standing around with your dicks in your hand by Lodi when they went to get the gnoll.


This is presumptuous. ^

[Freakish]

It's pretty silly. Considering you can just go take the turtle over to gnomes and charm one of the gnomes like Captain Nalot.

[richf275]

It wasn't a notion. You were outplayed. Grow up and deal with it because it happens in life. Next time park your chanter on the gnoll spawn and not run her over to it once you realize it was about to get taken as soon as it spawned. Claiming she was in tash range...You were both standing around with your dicks in your hand by Lodi when they went to get the gnoll.

I'm no longer sorry at all you feel wronged. We made a move to take away your advantage, you charmed our engaged mob anyway. End of story. Whether it's a dick move or not is subjective. It was legal and a smart play. Grow the fuck up man. Good luck on your belt. I know I was happy when I got mine several weeks ago.

I have some really good friends in AG that I get in skype calls with and group with regularly. I got a congrats tell from an AG member when we got the Sev FTE 2 weeks ago during that entire cluster fuck. I respect the hell out of the majority of your guilds member base. I am sorry they have to deal with you though and thankful that I don't.

See kids, this is what happens when you give people participation trophies.

You can argue the details to justify it to yourself if you want. If you take a step back, Blood Guard was late to the spawn so they did their best to screw over the guys who were there and then cried to a GM about it. Pretty low move and a bad look IMO. But if thats the guild Blood Guard is then I understand that you feel justified in what you did.

[Droog007]

I wasn't there, not my stalling claim.
Distancing yourself is probably a smart play, but you might have followed Plush's lead and done it on PAGE ONE.

Merely pointing out that you made a claim of not stalling and that according to your own logs there was a 4 minute period of no activity between FTE and first action. That would be a stall. That's an excerpt from the logs, they're doctored, remember? Lots of things happened in the meantime. Tash, Malosini, roots in between, healing and re-sowing the enchanter. All while we were ALONE IN THE AREA. FUCK.

And BG didn't fail to steal a camped mob. YOU successfully stole an engaged mob. And there is no "GM button". You broke a rule, chose not to respond to them, could've said "please wait" or something real fast so they didn't feel ignored. And they filed a petition, sirken answered quickly. And don't pretend AG doesn't petition lol. Inbox yells concede at literally every contested mob he's at, regardless of if any rules have been violated, only a matter of time till the crying wolf ban imo.

"... so they didn't feel ignored." ... HAHAHAHAHA

[Pokesan]

There's nothing to argue. It's clearly the way it has been, the way it is, and the way it will be in the foreseeable future based on comments and rulings by the project staff. People looking for feel goodz constantly beating a dead horse that there is some P99 moral code (outside of the very general play nice policy) that has to be adhered to refuse to open their eyes, and don't seem to understand what's happening when things don't go their way and their ego/feelings get hurt.

Separately, if your idea of cancer is a strategic move to best your competition within the rules, then you may have been awarded one too many participation trophies. You can either choose to play by the rules and get ahead, or limit yourself and stand on whatever moral ground you see fit and end up where you end up from that. That decision is a personal one for each player, but the rules are for everyone.

arguing that the current rules exist doesn't make them good rules.

dingus

[Droog007]

For the last time, Dreenk, I AM NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE for how long it took us to get up close and personal with the turtle. That is fully at my discretion. If you want to /petition a stall, be my fucking guest. I've seen dudes run around with it for half an hour - unless they concede and you have a log of it, you'd be putting yourself on the ban-anvil if you took over the fight without FTE.

[orangemang]

You can argue the details to justify it to yourself if you want. If you take a step back, Blood Guard was late to the spawn so they did their best to screw over the guys who were there and then cried to a GM about it. Pretty low move and a bad look IMO. But if thats the guild Blood Guard is then I understand that you feel justified in what you did.
Trollololol. I slept pretty good last night. No justification needed from people I don't even know.

This isn't a dispute between AG and BG as far as I'm concerned but this one salty ass player because we engaged the gnoll to keep them from using it and he's butthurt that we tried to get a chance at lodi without interfering with any mobs he had engaged. I will however avoid both the Shaman and Enchanter as best I can in game from now on if this is how they are going to respond to competition.

After all of this we still made an agreement at Naggy with the AG there to join up in an attempt to beat AM when we realized we couldn't get to the lair fast enough on our own because they had a farm team camped outside of his lair apparently. Our tracker never saw them enter the zone and neither the AG nor BG force saw them moving towards Naggy. Not to mention the massive FG train that came out of nowhere on both of our groups. In retrospect I wish we would have reached out to the AG there to join forces sooner than we did because it was too late at that point for both of our guilds.

[dirty_duck]

Whether it's a dick move or not is subjective..

A dick move would imply a set of balls, and this thread clearly shows that your little clique of scumbags doesn't have a ball ball to share among you.

[Mistle]

It wasn't a notion. You were outplayed. Grow up and deal with it because it happens in life. Next time park your chanter on the gnoll spawn and not run her over to it once you realize it was about to get taken as soon as it spawned. Claiming she was in tash range...You were both standing around with your dicks in your hand by Lodi when they went to get the gnoll.

I'm no longer sorry at all you feel wronged. We made a move to take away your advantage, you charmed our engaged mob anyway. End of story. Whether it's a dick move or not is subjective. It was legal and a smart play. Grow the fuck up man. Good luck on your belt. I know I was happy when I got mine several weeks ago.

I have some really good friends in AG that I get in skype calls with and group with regularly. I got a congrats tell from an AG member when we got the Sev FTE 2 weeks ago during that entire cluster fuck. I respect the hell out of the majority of your guilds member base. I am sorry they have to deal with you though and thankful that I don't.

See kids, this is what happens when you give people participation trophies.

Are you trying to sound like you're a colossal douchebag?

Because this is how to sound like you're a colossal douchebag.

[-TK-]

arguing that the current rules exist doesn't make them good rules.

dingus

Not embracing the reality in which you operate makes you delusional. 'Good' is completely subjective. To me, the rules here are 'good'. Most of them are pretty clear and the staff is here for the grey area. Try to change them if you don't like them, but until the time that they get changed, you have to operate within them. Constantly trying to hold others to and judge them according to your ideological standards is silly when the law of the land takes precedent. It's an exercise in futility.

[Droog007]

I thought you tapped out, dude. You back now? OK.



I know you are, but what am I?
This is how to play enchanter.
The mob was already up and being killed when she got there
.


I know YOU are, but what am I?
We'd just finished debuffing, she was throwing roots while I stuck 'sini and Turgur's, and then she went to the place where she goes to tash Grizlin from roughly max range of that spell. You see, it just doesn't occur to us that normal people will sink to the level of fucking with Grizlin. That was our failing.
False.

[LiQuid]

A dick move would imply a set of balls, and this thread clearly shows that your little clique of scumbags doesn't have a ball ball to share among you.

Can I hold one of the balls? :confused:

[Zemus]

Trollololol

Please don’t summon that douchecanoe.


After all of this we still made an agreement at Naggy with the AG there to join up in an attempt to beat AM when we realized we couldn't get to the lair fast enough on our own because they had a farm team camped outside of his lair apparently.

Have any evidence?

[Zoggren]

I feel like the AG duo represents the Trump voting intellectually malnourished provincial wypipo from flyover America , and the BG duo just moved in across the street and put a Black Lives Matter sign in their yard. The tears are real.

[sereal]

I'm no longer sorry at all you feel wronged. We made a move to take away your advantage, you charmed our engaged mob anyway. End of story. Whether it's a dick move or not is subjective. It was legal and a smart play. Grow the fuck up man. Good luck on your belt. I know I was happy when I got mine several weeks ago.


Can RNF explain to me how getting the mob despawned was a 'smart play' if the goal wasn't to deny another guild pixels?

If denying pixels was the goal I think this was rather effective. (https://wiki.project1999.com/Ocean_of_Tears)

[Droog007]

I do live in flyover, but I was a Bernie guy. Voted for Hillary like a fucking grown-up.

BLM! Fuck the police!

[orangemang]

I thought you tapped out, dude. You back now? OK.




I know YOU are, but what am I?
We'd just finished debuffing, she was throwing roots while I stuck 'sini and Turgur's, and then she went to the place where she goes to tash Grizlin from roughly max range of that spell. You see, it just doesn't occur to us that normal people will sink to the level of fucking with Grizlin. That was our failing.
False.


Who can look away from a trainwreck? It's a hard thing to not watch. People take Grizlin all the time. If you don't know that, then you haven't been camping lodi nearly as much as you claim. I've seen him taken to the last island, snared, and rooted by someone so we couldn't use him before. Did I go dispell and charm him? Fuck no. Get over it. Good luck on your belt mate. Just remember to get that charm before the engage if you plan to use it to help with the kill.

Cheers! :)

[Triiz]

Thread going down hill at a rapid pace.

[Droog007]

I feel like the AG duo represents the Trump voting intellectually malnourished provincial wypipo from flyover America , and the BG duo just moved in across the street and put a Black Lives Matter sign in their yard. The tears are real.

Also, I'm having some trouble following this analogy. Could you expound?

[Zoggren]

I was just trying to throw gas on the fire. I held my nose too though, so kudos.

[Comoc1]

HEY HEY no one asked you sir and we both know that if AM had the LODI timer there would have been a train the size of Montana from a Ban-disposable toon followed by 80 Lv 60 AM members poofing in out of nowhere like Harry Potter yelling CONCEDE CONCEDE because AFTERMATH.

It literally takes 2 people to kill Lodi. It's probable I could just solo him on my sham.

[fastboy21]

not reading that. permanently ban everyone involved.

do it. do it now.

[sereal]

Thread going down hill at a rapid pace.

agreed. We need undoctored logs to continue

[Droog007]

You think I'm like Trump because I'm mad about losing something... and BG stands up for the oppressed like BLM? Yeah, I'm sorry... don't think it works.

[skarlorn]

After VD, IB train TMO but FE ninja loot the BDA before AG; "T" and "D" also showed but boofed into VS and BG BLM yet Lodi RNF kk

[skarlorn]

don't forget to FTE the CT but CC you won't make as much pp as a rogue with max PP so get a TL to DL meet at KC for VS where's VS BG coming for VS that's BS, PS TMO died on Red RIP WTB CoF WTS RBG QQ in TT just my 2cp

[Lhancelot]

don't forget to FTE the CT but CC you won't make as much pp as a rogue with max PP so get a TL to DL meet at KC for VS where's VS BG coming for VS that's BS, PS TMO died on Red RIP WTB CoF WTS RBG QQ in TT just my 2cp

Sadly this makes perfect sense to many of us. :(

[Dreenk317]

For the last time, Dreenk, I AM NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE for how long it took us to get up close and personal with the turtle. That is fully at my discretion. If you want to /petition a stall, be my fucking guest. I've seen dudes run around with it for half an hour - unless they concede and you have a log of it, you'd be putting yourself on the ban-anvil if you took over the fight without FTE.

Ya, your not accountable to me, but you are accountable to the GM's, who showed up and made a very fair ruling in my opinion. Yet you are clearly butt hurt about it so you came crying to the forums in the hopes of finding people to put lotion on your butthurt. And of course you would be risking a ban if you tried to take an engaged mob (something you literally did in this exact instance we are talking about by the way, which Sirken told you, straight up, you were not allowed to do) you called out BG for "standing around with there dicks in there hands" for not trying to take the FTE off of you. I'm sorry they are smarter than you and that you fell for there bait and they didn't fall for yours. And I'm not trying not o distance myself at all. Just pointing out something else you got wrong, you said I was there, I'm telling you I wasn't, simple statement of fact.

You still, clearly, suck at arguing. Also, just by the way, you can't un-admit something..... that made for real laugh out loud, something a five year old would say when caught in a lie

[Canelek]

Seems like a dick move to take a charmable DPS mob of the table just because you lost FTE. I see these explanations about competition and no other recourse, etc. Why not just wait and secretly hope they fail so you can get your crack as opposed to rules-lawyering to make things more difficult for them?

Either way, I suppose I cannot blame Sirken for ensuring none got the mob, but really, whomever got FTE should have been allowed an unfettered attempt before the next people get a try.

[Sadiki]

Job Resume

Hello, I would like to apply for a job at your company. I think I would be a good fit. This is my skillset:


Hard Working, Clear and Concise - I worked 17 hours straight to refine my hate mail to a P99 guild so my feelings that they should "get good" were properly conveyed.
Clever and Attentive - I've figured out many ways to grief people that could otherwise be my friends in a dead 19 year old video game and not get in trouble since I could lawyerquest my way out. I'm lonely and dead inside but that won't impact my performance.
Successful - I have this in my bag on P99 - https://wiki.project1999.com/Belt_of_the_Great_Turtle (please click link and ask if you have any questions this is very rare thanks)

I hope you will consider my autism a positive addition to your company. Looking forward to hearing from you.

[Dreenk317]

I thought you tapped out, dude. You back now? OK.




I know YOU are, but what am I?
We'd just finished debuffing, she was throwing roots while I stuck 'sini and Turgur's, and then she went to the place where she goes to tash Grizlin from roughly max range of that spell. You see, it just doesn't occur to us that normal people will sink to the level of fucking with Grizlin. That was our failing.
False.


According to number 3 you are now denying that she charmed a mob that was engaged? You have already admitted to this, doctored logs, lies and half truths.... Way to come full stocked to RNF.

[Pokesan]

.

Does TK mean Truekiller?

[Fasttimes]

subscribed

[Dreenk317]

Also, super cool of OP to call out AN ENTIRE guild because THREE of there members did something to make them mad.

[Droog007]

Simply knowing an ench and shaman duo intend to charm that mob. then BG decides to kill it is simply strategy. if your only hope for a lodi kill is to MAYBE have a mob charmed then its a low chance to win. Many people take that gnoll out while lodi is in window to prevent that from happening... like always the greedy 2 person duo on lodi fails and they blame everyone else instead of there own greedy asses to not bring more people lodi. Hell if I had 100 plat for everytime I heard a lodi duo died I could have bought my own Lodi belt =P

Sorry all you know the shitshow lodi can be!

I missed this somehow.

OK Manasana, if the duo is gonna be such a rough go, why not let them roll the dice? I have failed on a Lodi duo before because I was late getting slow re-applied. It can totally happen... and someone was there to benefit from my fail. I admit my feathers were ruffled because of who they were, but I was really only mad at myself.

I can tank Lodi indefinitely with chanter buffs and torpor. I hadn't thought of using gnomes (thanks poster!), but hell even the chanter animation would whittle him down easy enough.

Greedy? I want one belt. I share the spawn info FREELY with CSG. ANYONE of my guild/allies is perfectly welcome to camp the turtle with me. So stuff that shit back in your mushmouth.

[Droog007]

Also, super cool of OP to call out AN ENTIRE guild because THREE of there members did something to make them mad.

But I thought there was like 6 of you... and you were on your way to 1-group Vox. My bad!

[mattydef]

It's always hilarious to see p99 players type shit like "outplayed". These guys were giving each other virtual high fives and back pats for such a brilliant job denying other everquesters pixels. Congrats you fucks, you sure showed them! Now go play a real fucking competitive game and stop popping little baby boners every time you show off your mad skillz in a pve rpg.

[Mistle]

Job Resume

Hello, I would like to apply for a job at your company. I think I would be a good fit. This is my skillset:


Hard Working, Clear and Concise - I worked 17 hours straight to refine my hate mail to a P99 guild so my feelings that they should "get good" were properly conveyed.
Clever and Attentive - I've figured out many ways to grief people that could otherwise be my friends in a dead 19 year old video game and not get in trouble since I could lawyerquest my way out. I'm lonely and dead inside but that won't impact my performance.
Successful - I have this in my bag on P99 - https://wiki.project1999.com/Belt_of_the_Great_Turtle (please click link and ask if you have any questions this is very rare thanks)

I hope you will consider my autism a positive addition to your company. Looking forward to hearing from you.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Job Resume

Hello, I would like to apply for a job at your company. I think I would be a good fit. This is my skillset:


Hard Working, Clear and Concise - I worked 17 hours straight to refine my hate mail to a P99 guild so my feelings that they should "get good" were properly conveyed.
Clever and Attentive - I've figured out many ways to grief people that could otherwise be my friends in a dead 19 year old video game and not get in trouble since I could lawyerquest my way out. I'm lonely and dead inside but that won't impact my performance.
Successful - I have this in my bag on P99 - https://wiki.project1999.com/Belt_of_the_Great_Turtle (please click link and ask if you have any questions this is very rare thanks)

I hope you will consider my autism a positive addition to your company. Looking forward to hearing from you.

[Cecily]

Seems like a dick move to take a charmable DPS mob of the table just because you lost FTE. I see these explanations about competition and no other recourse, etc. Why not just wait and secretly hope they fail so you can get your crack as opposed to rules-lawyering to make things more difficult for them?

Either way, I suppose I cannot blame Sirken for ensuring none got the mob, but really, whomever got FTE should have been allowed an unfettered attempt before the next people get a try.

Naw. That was a legit strategy. There's more chance of the people you're hoping will wipe will wipe if you take away their main source of DPS, and your chances are practically nil if you do nothing. BG was proactive about helping their competition fail, legally. AG stomped their feet in reaction to someone throwing a wrench in their plans and they broke the rules instead of thinking of alternatives. BG then beseeched the gods for aid and the mighty turtle was smitten as a reminder that no one wins in Petition Quest.

Overall, a happy ending for everyone. Thank you for sharing this story.

[Dreenk317]

I missed this somehow.

OK Manasana, if the duo is gonna be such a rough go, why not let them roll the dice? I have failed on a Lodi duo before because I was late getting slow re-applied. It can totally happen... and someone was there to benefit from my fail. I admit my feathers were ruffled because of who they were, but I was really only mad at myself.

I can tank Lodi indefinitely with chanter buffs and torpor. I hadn't thought of using gnomes (thanks poster!), but hell even the chanter animation would whittle him down easy enough.

Greedy? I want one belt. I share the spawn info FREELY with CSG. ANYONE of my guild/allies is perfectly welcome to camp the turtle with me. So stuff that shit back in your mushmouth.


So far you have claimed to be able to tank it indefinitely, kill it with a charmed snow cougar, and or a chanter animation. So why, if BG took this mob from you, is it a problem? apparently you had 3 other options to kill it no problem. Tank forever with shaman and enchanter melee, eventually you will win, use charmed cougar, or enchanter animation. So, my question is, if you had other options, and didnt need the gnoll at all, as you have claimed. Why are you here? To try to make everyone mad at BG as a whole? Judging by the post title, this is your reason for being here, or it would of been something like "this is how assholes do Lodi". But no, you called out an ENTIRE FUCKING guild, because THREE of there members pulled a dickish move, that apparently was not even an issue for you...... so ya, wtf are you doing here.

[Manasana2]

@ Droog007 LOL people think im here for damage control your funny I couldnt care less to be honest. this is the first time Ive ever even posted on this stupid site with a bunch of cry babies that get KSed or a bad dial a porter or trained w/e its stupid .People dedicate like 45 mins of their life reading this stupid thread about how AG got butthurt and went to the forums trying to act like they got wronged when they openly admitted they took the gnoll from BG owners and then went back and forth with the story and doctored logs..again Ive seen so many duos fail on lodi and they blow a gasket.. bring a 3rd or 4th or hell even a group and secure your chances. why had a 40% chance to win when you can have 100 with only a few more bodies. LOL "I want 1 belt" = I just want 80k = I just want 2 fungis = I just want a discounted torpor... give me a fuckin break.

And the Greed across Norrath claims another RIP lodizal you will be missed....for 18 hours

[Dreenk317]

Naw. That was a legit strategy. There's more chance of the people you're hoping will wipe will wipe if you take away their main source of DPS, and your chances are practically nil if you do nothing. BG was proactive about helping their competition fail, legally. AG stomped their feet in reaction to someone throwing a wrench in their plans and they broke the rules instead of thinking of alternatives. BG then beseeched the gods for aid and the mighty turtle was smitten as a reminder that no one wins in Petition Quest.

Overall, a happy ending for everyone. Thank you for sharing this story.

This right here, concise, on the head, and truth.

[skarlorn]

According to number 3 you are now denying that she charmed a mob that was engaged? You have already admitted to this, doctored logs, lies and half truths.... Way to come full stocked to RNF.

Naw. That was a legit strategy. There's more chance of the people you're hoping will wipe will wipe if you take away their main source of DPS, and your chances are practically nil if you do nothing. BG was proactive about helping their competition fail, legally. AG stomped their feet in reaction to someone throwing a wrench in their plans and they broke the rules instead of thinking of alternatives. BG then beseeched the gods for aid and the mighty turtle was smitten as a reminder that no one wins in Petition Quest.

Overall, a happy ending for everyone. Thank you for sharing this story.

I'd also like to point out that AG is a duo of greedlords and from the perspective of a utilitarian philosopher the BG crew was more deserving to kill Lodi since more people would enjoy the kill and be able to split the loot.

So in this light, OP is b!tching that the BG crew ruined their exploit duo strat and then sealed the kill using a real group LMAO

[-TK-]

Does TK mean Truekiller?

Not sure if that's a reference to pop culture I'm not familiar with or what, but this is the realm of Everquest - it can mean whatever you want it to, baby.

On a different note, there seems to be people thinking there is an implied claim on Grizlin if you FTE Lodi because other people use him. That's not a thing.

TLDR on thread is some people think it was a dick move, others think it was a fair game strategy. Personally, I'm not going to leave your bishop on the table just because he has me in check (FTE). The games not over until there is a checkmate (dead mob).


Job Resume

Hello, I would like to apply for a job at your company. I think I would be a good fit. This is my skillset:


Hard Working, Clear and Concise - I worked 17 hours straight to refine my hate mail to a P99 guild so my feelings that they should "get good" were properly conveyed.
Clever and Attentive - I've figured out many ways to grief people that could otherwise be my friends in a dead 19 year old video game and not get in trouble since I could lawyerquest my way out. I'm lonely and dead inside but that won't impact my performance.
Successful - I have this in my bag on P99 - https://wiki.project1999.com/Belt_of_the_Great_Turtle (please click link and ask if you have any questions this is very rare thanks)

I hope you will consider my autism a positive addition to your company. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Cheers to the folks that can't separate their RL from their video game addictions and think this post has any relevance.

[Droog007]

I think we need a highlight reel:

When staff arrives moments later, say ridiculous things like, "Well, taking the gnoll off the table was the ONLY THING WE COULD DO! - It was the ONLY choice left for us!!"
After staff despawns the nearly dead Lodizal, run to the spawn point when you see "Lodizal engages a sea walrus!", like, "OMG CHRISTMAS!" You friggin idiots...


How about this: Camp the damn mob. Do your own work. When you find someone beat you to the punch, wait at a respectable distance while they take their chance or MOVE THE FUCK ON. Dicks moves are dick moves, "legal" or not.

Nobody won. In hindsight given the option between what happened and just letting AG have the kill, we all agreed that we would have just let AG have the kill.


[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'i killing that need it '
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'i woz killing Grizlin Bloodfang'
[Sun Oct 08] You say, 'you can get him afterwards'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'U KS my MOB>>'
[Sun Oct 08] You say, 'it's not dead'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude1 says out of character, 'enjoy it while it lasts, can't charm an engaged mob. It's a KS'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'U KS my MOB>> Grizlin Bloodfang i woz killing '
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'KS is KS >'

I never admitted I was stalling.

AGGal says, 'we were only stalling because Lodizal had killed the gnolls. We were waiting for them to respawn'

This was an unfortunate choice of words on my wife's part. She's a bit of a noob. She should have just said that it was taking us longer than usual to get DPS rolling.

[xx:16:51 2017] Lodizal engages AGGuy!
[xx:20:12 2017] Lodizal yawns.
[xx:21:24 2017] BGDude1 says out of character, 'can't stall it buddy'
[xx:21:53 2017] Auto attack is on.

This is not too bad by current standards.

I guess what you really mean is that I should have submitted to your ransom demands. Fuck that.

Ah yes, I remember you being there. It was one of those times that BG got FTE and then fell on their fucking faces. Picture getting clearer...


I'm not even going to continue attempting to discuss this if all you can do is reply like you're a 5 year old.

Actually i do apologize for the 5 year old comment. Seriously though, don't let a game control you so much people....
I am however not unblocking OP and logging out of this cesspool in RnF. Peace Out.
That's some pussy shit by BG. Even funnier when they say "it's just a game" yet they resort to scumbag tactics over fucking lodizal.
If your plan to kill a mob involves /petition then you're scum.
If being little dickless lying cunts like this is the only way you can "get a chance at Lodi" you might as well disband now.
I was told the whole story have proof we took that gnoll down to almost 20% before they charmed it off of BG to use to kill lodi. also rules state that you should try to work it out with that person or persons before going into petition lawyerquest mode. BG tried that and AG ignored them.. petition sent and sirken showed up instantly... Lodi is always a shitshow =(
I do not admit that we broke any rules, in fact I'm counter-suing.

Do not admit to KS. Grizlin never died - was despawned by staff. Admit to not being able to instantly cast charm on the mob we were camping.

Lawyerquest was 50% of BG's strategy. They petitioned when the fight had barely started. If they wanted to negotiate, they should have waited 5 minutes so I could fucking speak without a giant turtle gnawing on my face.

You again? You're a fucking idiot.
Please explain how I broke rules.

We were waiting for Grizlin to spawn (kinda the definition of camping). We were in the zone before BG (kinda gives us the edge on a dispute). We engaged the mob shortly after it spawned (the definition of maintaining a camp).
OUTDOUCHED, OUTDOUCHED, OUTDOUCHED!
Good luck on your belt. I know I was happy when I got mine several weeks ago.

See kids, this is what happens when you give people participation trophies.
I wasn't there
Blood Guard was late to the spawn so they did their best to screw over the guys who were there and then cried to a GM about it. Pretty low move and a bad look IMO.
Trollololol. I slept pretty good last night. No justification needed from people I don't even know.
Can I hold one of the balls? :confused:
Have any evidence?
I'm lonely and dead inside but that won't impact my performance.

You almost didn't make the reel, Dreenk. You need to bring a little more game. :cool:

[Dreenk317]

lol, i dont care what you think about me at all. and again, your bringing very little logs, and doctored at that, to an RNF war. post the logs of what was said between everyone after Sirken got there, let me see what you and they said to him, and what he said in return, if you realy feel you were in the right, what have you got to hide, instead you edit your logs, removing things that would give us a better understanding of what happened during that 4 minute stall, and claiming people said certain things, but not posting logs to back up those things.

[Dreenk317]

lol, i dont care what you think about me at all. and again, your bringing very little logs, and doctored at that, to an RNF war. post the logs of what was said between everyone after Sirken got there, let me see what you and they said to him, and what he said in return, if you realy feel you were in the right, what have you got to hide, instead you edit your logs, removing things that would give us a better understanding of what happened during that 4 minute stall, and claiming people said certain things, but not posting logs to back up those things.

TL/DR You sir, still suck at arguing

[orangemang]

I think we need a highlight reel:
























You almost didn't make the reel, Dreenk. You need to bring a little more game. :cool:

Glad to see your spirits are higher this afternoon after getting most of that salt out of your system. ;)

[Tenderizer]

Show up late to find Lodizal engaged and in the process of being debuffed.
Correctly guess that the SHM/ENC duo intends to to charm Grizlin Bloodfang.
Pretend to be "camping" Grizlin Bloodfang, even though you've just arrived in the zone and Grizlin is currently dead.
When Enchanter tashes and charms Grizlin moments after spawning, start telling lies like, "Hey I was killing that! - that's totally why we're here!"
Petition the staff for a KS on Grizlin Bloodfang
When staff arrives moments later, say ridiculous things like, "Well, taking the gnoll off the table was the ONLY THING WE COULD DO! - It was the ONLY choice left for us!!"
After staff despawns the nearly dead Lodizal, run to the spawn point when you see "Lodizal engages a sea walrus!", like, "OMG CHRISTMAS!" You friggin idiots...
After staff basically says everyone did a wrong thing, say once again, "it was the only legal course we had to get a chance at lodi."


How about this: Camp the damn mob. Do your own work. When you find someone beat you to the punch, wait at a respectable distance while they take their chance or MOVE THE FUCK ON. Dicks moves are dick moves, "legal" or not.

So Blood Guard pulls some questionable tactics and you get mad or thats odd to you? Do you p99,brah? If you aint whining you aint dining.

[Lhancelot]

People dedicate like 45 mins of their life reading this stupid thread about how AG got butthurt and went to the forums trying to act like they got wronged when they openly admitted they took the gnoll from BG owners and then went back and forth with the story and doctored logs..again Ive seen so many duos fail on lodi and they blow a gasket.. bring a 3rd or 4th or hell even a group and secure your chances. why had a 40% chance to win when you can have 100 with only a few more bodies. LOL "I want 1 belt" = I just want 80k = I just want 2 fungis = I just want a discounted torpor... give me a fuckin break.


I had to read this multiple times due to the incoherant nature of the raging/rambling body of text it was presented in.

All I have to say is how dare you insult the fine people who visit these forums daily, and thumb your nose at joy they find here!

This joy is no less worthy than the joy you find in hogging as many pixels as you can possibly lap up from whatever guild you are a part of.

(Don't be a hypocrite.)

[sereal]

lol, i dont care what you think about me at all. and again, your bringing very little logs, and doctored at that, to an RNF war. post the logs of what was said between everyone after Sirken got there, let me see what you and they said to him, and what he said in return, if you realy feel you were in the right, what have you got to hide, instead you edit your logs, removing things that would give us a better understanding of what happened during that 4 minute stall, and claiming people said certain things, but not posting logs to back up those things.

Other side never dropped logs so the doctored ones are all we got giving that side a +1.

Weak game imo.

[Dreenk317]

Other side never dropped logs so the doctored ones are all we got giving that side a +1.

Weak game imo.

if i had them id post them, but like i said, i wasnt there.
also the BG side hasnt tried to deny anything that they are claiming or being called out on having done. So, i say again, to the person that is telling half truths, lies, and the one calling others out, post your logs, the non doctored ones, and let us all see exactly what happened. Im guessing sirken said something along the lines of "your wrong, you cant charm a mob that someone else is killing, even if they told you they are killing it so you cant charm it." And then you came here crying because you got butthurt.

Post your logs, prove me wrong, and ill shut up.

Otherwise, three people from BG did what they could to secure themselves a kill on a mob that you were currently fighting, apparently it wouldve worked because you BROKE the rules in order to prevent them from doing so, and then got mad when you got told you broke the rules.

[William_Munny15]

Ha Video games

[Lhancelot]

Ha Video games

One of the good guys in AG, just for the record. ^^^

Cheich is awesome, helps anyone and everyone whenever asked, does more than he is recognized for. Underrated, for real.

[Beastagoog]

Do you think in the year 2020 people will still be fighting over Lodi on this server?

[Manasana2]

@beastagoog Without a doubt Lodi will be plowing Duos and destroying friendships for many moons to come

[Droog007]

Thought of one more for you there, Ralph Wiggum:


This thread is about stalling and logs

Mommy told me I'm good at this!

Cheich is awesome... Underrated, for real.

Also, go ahead and post some logs about how long BG was engaged with Grizlin before tash landed. Are you going to tell me that you are holding the entire server to this standard, on everything?

So like, LGuk ... say a SK is pulling for group: Said SK must keep his eye trained on the HP bar of every frog as he is casting his chosen pulling spell... if it so much as quivers before his spell completes, he must duck that bastard off lest he be banned for KSing... right. Because the entire game is FTE madness.

[Manasana2]

Not true at all even a body pull is considered your mob... first to engage or get aggro that person then owns. so in the case of 2 people tagging a mob almost at same time 1 of them truely own it..granted on small everyday mobs no one cares they will get another... or in your case open a RNF about a lvl 30 mob

[Rivera]

My guild is filled with pieces of shit and I'm trying to justify it. You can't type very well, and you're a bit longwinded. Fixed it for you.

[Manasana2]

buahahahah

[Dreenk317]

Thought of one more for you there, Ralph Wiggum:




Also, go ahead and post some logs about how long BG was engaged with Grizlin before tash landed. Are you going to tell me that you are holding the entire server to this standard, on everything?

So like, LGuk ... say a SK is pulling for group: Said SK must keep his eye trained on the HP bar of every frog as he is casting his chosen pulling spell... if it so much as quivers before his spell completes, he must duck that bastard off lest he be banned for KSing... right. Because the entire game is FTE madness.

Thanks for quoting my posts, and then editing the quotes. I take this as an admission that you suck at arguing seeing as you are now resorting to personal attacks against me. Good job OP, now you are learning how to RNF. Next you need to learn how to argue. You have failed to respond with any sort of thought out retort to any of my counter points. You just repeatedly post doctored logs and edited quotes of other peoples posts and claim they are somehow proof. And apparently your reading comprehension sucks too, because as i said earlier, I was not there, therefore have no logs of anything. You however were there, and have yet to post complete or un doctored logs (strike throughs of tells/guild chat/non relevant things are allowed, but deleting them, or altering them is fishy). Post your logs, prove me wrong when i say that sirken told you were wrong and you cam crying to RNF in attempt to ease your butthurt. Post the logs, please.

[Manasana2]

RNF is so much fun ***** Five star wound post here again +++++++++++++

[Dreenk317]

im betting the conversation looked something like this:

Sirken "what happened"
BG "We were killing the gnoll because we thought they were gonna need it to kill lodi, and we wanted them to wipe against lodi so we could get lodi"
AG "They started killing the gnoll we needed to kill lodi!"
BG "we had FTE on the gnoll and they charmed it off of us, which is KS'ing"
Sirken "that is very much a KS, read the rules"
AG "ya, but, they said the only reason they were killing it was to deny us the ability to charm it, and we needed it to kill lodi so we took it"
Sirken "doesnt matter why someone engaged an un engaged mob, you cant charm it off of them, end of story"
AG "Im going to rants and flames, they will make me feel better!!"

-End imaginary though prolly fairly accurate logs-


There, i posted some logs, and as far as i can see, they are as credible as yours.

[Manasana2]

I find it funny that last night 4 lodi popped due to server shit late in the Am... 1 lodi was wasted as server came down, BG got 2 and AG got 1...somehow no drama on 4 in 30 mins yet that one that started this thread is still going

[Canelek]

Naw. That was a legit strategy. There's more chance of the people you're hoping will wipe will wipe if you take away their main source of DPS, and your chances are practically nil if you do nothing. BG was proactive about helping their competition fail, legally. AG stomped their feet in reaction to someone throwing a wrench in their plans and they broke the rules instead of thinking of alternatives. BG then beseeched the gods for aid and the mighty turtle was smitten as a reminder that no one wins in Petition Quest.

Overall, a happy ending for everyone. Thank you for sharing this story.

Understood regarding the strategy. If that strategy is what people always do, I suppose planning for that or making the proper adjustments should be taken into account.

That said, it just seems like a dick move, regardless. Of course, even on live, Lodizal brought out the worst in people, even when the content was trivialized during like PoP or somesuch.

[Check12345]

try red


Do this instead, you will get more folks:
http://wiki.eqemulator.org/p?Akkas_PEQ_Server_Installer&frm=Main#from-scratch-installation-instructions-windows

[LiQuid]

Wish I could make OP and his wife and the 3 BG's that were at this Lodi shitshow to get on their toons and start a CE group or something in Seb and all get on Discord together and shoot the shit while I get my Dr. Phil on. I bet we'd all be fast friends. All this shit that starts when 2 people want the same thing but have a different guild tag is so petty and ridiculous.

[vorpal_raddish]

everyone knows AG hates BG

{{Citation needed}}

[orangemang]

It's always hilarious to see p99 players type shit like "outplayed". These guys were giving each other virtual high fives and back pats for such a brilliant job denying other everquesters pixels. Congrats you fucks, you sure showed them! Now go play a real fucking competitive game and stop popping little baby boners every time you show off your mad skillz in a pve rpg.

I've seen some really good trolls on this thread. Seriously, +1 to you guys that have had me cracking up randomly throughout the day with the creative shit posting.

This guy needs more practice or a tutor. I know it's probably a tough job considering his obvious slow wit but think of the service you would be doing for the rnf community.


PS

Plush, I'd be more than happy to have an adult conversation with OP in comms if he is willing and capable of it.

[Manasana2]

Take this post into private voice chat!!! how dare you KS my entertainment I had FTE on this Entertainment!!!!!!! SIRKEN HELP!!!

[Cecily]

Understood regarding the strategy. If that strategy is what people always do, I suppose planning for that or making the proper adjustments should be taken into account.

That said, it just seems like a dick move, regardless. Of course, even on live, Lodizal brought out the worst in people, even when the content was trivialized during like PoP or somesuch.

I feel like new players are guided by a strong sense of idealism and think that translates into game play. They don't see the cutthroat horror show we made this server for years on end. Yeah it's a dick move. It's also pragmatic, legal, and something I'd do. I'm also ex-TMO, a guild that locked down server content with that mindset. I prefer your mentality, but that's not the type of place P99 ended up being.

[Manasana2]

Lol Cecily we both came from a crazy time all those years ago... to think they bitching about a random mob to charm is funny

[Cecily]

Yeah it's hilarious this is even an issue, but RnF would suck without new, highly offended blood so I'll allow it.

[Lhancelot]

I feel like new players are guided by a strong sense of idealism and think that translates into game play.

This is an accurate statement.

However, it's hard to tell if the OP is guided by idealistic naivete or grand self-entitlement, or simply frustrated and needed to vent with elf pals in RnF.

No matter what guided them to create this thread, it's been well-recieved and well-served. :D

Thanks OP!

[Canelek]

Yeah it's hilarious this is even an issue, but RnF would suck without new, highly offended blood so I'll allow it.

I consider myself far more pragmatic than highly/easily-offended, but I do indeed understand much more about this particular encounter than before. And quite frankly, I'd consider FTE + caveats much more "fair" than DPS racing.

It's still a dick move, but at least I know more about the normal engagement practices regarding the turtle and certainly have no issue playing along with it.

[Cecily]

However, it's hard to tell if the OP is guided by idealistic naivete or grand self-entitlement

Also bad players. Without Rustle being around, the good player variety of casuals don't exist anymore. Azure Guard is solidly in the casuals being bad at EQ and therefore bitch when EQ doesn't go their way category.

[Dreenk317]

{{Citation needed}}

I think the first mob BG contested against AG was a VS/R with paradigm shift. AG got FTE, wiped, AND trained our raid with VS, then, when BG/PS engaged him (without a new FTE, because theyd been trained before agro reset, therefore no new FTE) Inbox started yelling concede and was threatening to petition us for KS'ing there mob because a new FTE wasn't made, and got so exasperated that other AG members were telling him to shut up. The whole thing, train/fight/inbox yelling concede was frapsed, he was told they had it all frapsed, and he still was yelling concede. I've since seen him yell concede or threaten to petition BG at, quite literally, every mob BG has contested against AG since, from Vox to severilous, if inbox is there, he brings salt with him it seems. When an officer of a guild has apparently declared his outright disgust for another, it is hard to keep those feelings and that mentality from trickling down into the masses that are lead by that person. BG has no issue with AG, other than that they seem to go after the same targets and provide some competition. As well as one of BG's leaders is an ex AG officer.

So in my eyes, when one officer of a guild has insulted/called out the entire other guild in public channels, that equals saidnofficers guild not liking other guild. Hate may have been a strong word.

[Sadiki]

Lol Cecily we both came from a crazy time all those years ago... to think they bitching about a random mob to charm is funny
https://i.imgur.com/fT9RwaH.jpg

[Manasana2]

LOLOLOL Sadiki I love it

[Kodim]

Join A/A. Half the mobs rotated, no Lodi/Kunark drama.

Easy peezy

[Droog007]

Nah man, there are still camps in this game. You can't just tag shit with autoattack when someone's trying to pull their camp. But normally things get handled with a conversation. If the BG members in this situation could have held off on petitioning for FIVE GOD DAMN MINUTES, we might have also had a conversation. That was never their plan, though.

I don't agree with staff's decision on this, but I partly blame myself for being a bad lawyer in the heat of the moment. I honestly could not believe what was happening, and I'm never my best self at 5am. I'm just not sure he had a clear picture of BG showing up after the mob was well in hand, and then throwing a desperate attempt on tying up Grizlin with melee. I wonder if he thinks we raced for FTE and you guys grabbed the gnoll while we were busy. I dunno ... just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt I guess. Hard to believe he's ok with this shit.

You guys are greedy assholes - everyone that was there and everyone defending them. The FTE metagame is quite enough bullshit to have to deal with in any sane person's view.

Thanks for the support (you know who you are), and the porn tips.

I think I'm done with this now. I'm tired. I wanted the full RNF experience and I think I did OK.

See you all around.

[William_Munny15]

Also bad players. Without Rustle being around, the good player variety of casuals don't exist anymore. Azure Guard is solidly in the casuals being bad at EQ and therefore bitch when EQ doesn't go their way category.

Is that above or below the look at how good we are at everquest category? I'm torn!

[Cecily]

Yes.

[gkmarino]

Other than a killing blow KS.. charm has to be the second worst type of KS in my mind, that's full boar!

Roots/snares/agro-spells/wrongful dps -are usually forgiven quite quickly via comms. Charm ksing is a straight up WOT, pedal to the metal type of NO-FUCKS-GIVEN kill steal.

Occasionally even group mates may get confused and a bit shifted temporarily when their own group member charms something they are focusing down. Charming off strangers is trying to play god.

[kuruu]

I can't see the picture

[Heebs13]

Also bad players. Without Rustle being around, the good player variety of casuals don't exist anymore. Azure Guard is solidly in the casuals being bad at EQ and therefore bitch when EQ doesn't go their way category.

Show us on the doll where AG touched you, Cecily.

[Droog007]

Other than a killing blow KS.. charm has to be the second worst type of KS in my mind, that's full boar!

I think you mean bore, and I think you need to read the thread again. If you keep fucking this up, you're going to have to post 100 sentences on the board.

[Heebs13]

1: We never pretended to be camping the gnoll. We openly admitted that we engaged the gnoll at spawn because it was the only legal move we had to try and get a chance at Lodi. This was the first thing said to Sirken from BG.

(You had not killed the gnoll before, therefore it was an open camp as far as camp rules are concerned)

2: We engaged the gnoll first, I have the logs of the encounter and of our conversation with Sirken as proof. It doesn't matter that we weren't there for the gnoll. We made a strategic decision based on what was available. You acknowledged to Sirken that you aren't allowed to charm an engaged mob. (You also gave 2 separate reasons at 2 separate times during our conversation with Sirken as to why you were stalling)

3: Called out in OOC that Charming an engaged mob is considered KS, you did not respond. I was left with only one recourse without risking our group getting a ban by interfering and that was to petition.

4: You weren't even in zone during spawn because we had someone there camping SF at spawn. So don't pull the camp the mob card.

5: You got outplayed. I'm sorry you feel wronged but it was a strategic maneuver, the same as a a leap frog. The game is meant to be competitive in times like this. We came in and saw a weakness in your strategy and we monopolized that weakness. From the very beginning we admitted that we engaged the gnoll to get a chance at Lodi as your shaman was seconds from death until you charmed (an engaged mob that was not going to be alive much longer) and the gnoll ran over to assist.

As said after the GM ruling, it was nothing personal and is a highly contested mob. Just as with any contested mob everyone wants to win. We did nothing wrong, even after you charmed our engaged mob we were told by leadership to stand down and not interfere. Next time a call goes out in OOC in regards to something you have just done, try responding and a GM won't have to be involved. We could have worked something out possibly.

It's a shame it came to that instead of you just admitting that you were outplayed and giving kudos on what was a smart move. I would have, but of course when I go to Lodi on my enchanter I charm the gnoll before spawn/engage because it's just that easy for someone to throw your strategy right out the window.

At the end of the day, it's a game. Don't get your feelings hurt over it. We felt that Sirken should have allowed you two a chance at Lodi without the gnoll and we would have accepted it if you two could have pulled it off. Hell, I would have applauded you both!

Slow down, General Patton. You only need to tell us how smart and good at EQ you are so many times. We got the idea.

[gkmarino]

I think you mean bore, and I think you need to read the thread again. If you keep fucking this up, you're going to have to post 100 sentences on the board.Oh how embaressing, you're totally right.

Please let me explain. The issue is that I know of a brewery that makes a DELICIOUS scotch ale and they named it the Full Boar Scotch Ale.. so i love using that phrase improperly now.. I'd apologize but damn I love that scotch ale. :)

[gkmarino]

*embarrassing.. thanks barrackkaa

[gkmarino]

Slow down, General Patton. You only need to tell us how smart and good at EQ you are so many times. We got the idea.Did Heebs12 know how to use bold? Damn Heebs13 you got me excited that edit. :D

[Dreenk317]

Nah man, there are still camps in this game. You can't just tag shit with autoattack when someone's trying to pull their camp. But normally things get handled with a conversation. If the BG members in this situation could have held off on petitioning for FIVE GOD DAMN MINUTES, we might have also had a conversation. That was never their plan, though.

I don't agree with staff's decision on this, but I partly blame myself for being a bad lawyer in the heat of the moment. I honestly could not believe what was happening, and I'm never my best self at 5am. I'm just not sure he had a clear picture of BG showing up after the mob was well in hand, and then throwing a desperate attempt on tying up Grizlin with melee. I wonder if he thinks we raced for FTE and you guys grabbed the gnoll while we were busy. I dunno ... just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt I guess. Hard to believe he's ok with this shit.

You guys are greedy assholes - everyone that was there and everyone defending them. The FTE metagame is quite enough bullshit to have to deal with in any sane person's view.

Thanks for the support (you know who you are), and the porn tips.

I think I'm done with this now. I'm tired. I wanted the full RNF experience and I think I did OK.

See you all around.

Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the staffs decision, doesn't matter if you raced for Lodi FTE or not. All that matters is that you, admittedly, broke the rules by charming a mob that was engaged, therefor belonged to someone else.

Also, the BG guy has said several times that they told Sirken exactly why they attacked the gnoll, to deny you the ability to use it. Unless that's a lie, Sirken had all the information he needed, you were butthurt, broke the rules, and got caught, enflaming your butthurt.

[Dreenk317]

And you claim that BG showed up "after the mob was well in hand". I understand that the definition of this statement is in the eye of the beholder, but it seems they showed up before you had began dps'ing, as you were waiting for a mob to spawn in order to charm it for dps. I, and I believe many others, would NOT consider this to be well in hand.

[Heebs13]

Did Heebs12 know how to use bold? Damn Heebs13 you got me excited that edit. :D

I thought I'd provide emphasis to make it easier to pick out the portions relevant to my reply, specifically to save you time. Aren't I a nice guy?

[orangemang]

I thought I'd provide emphasis to make it easier to pick out the portions relevant to my reply, specifically to save you time. Aren't I a nice guy?

I know I certainly appreciate it and I expect a salute Private Pyle, you disgusting maggot!

[skarlorn]

god so many of you are disgusting subhuman pieces of shit

[gkmarino]

god so many of you are disgusting subhuman pieces of shitgive me back that lighter fluid! :D

[kb2005]

I feel like new players are guided by a strong sense of idealism and think that translates into game play. They don't see the cutthroat horror show we made this server for years on end. Yeah it's a dick move. It's also pragmatic, legal, and something I'd do. I'm also ex-TMO, a guild that locked down server content with that mindset. I prefer your mentality, but that's not the type of place P99 ended up being.

There's also a third option in between being a cutthroat raider and a snowflake wishing everyone would play nice. I call it the (pre-breakdown) Greengrocer school: Just do random shit you find amusing outside of the raid scene.

[skarlorn]

There's also a third option in between being a cutthroat raider and a snowflake wishing everyone would play nice. I call it the (pre-breakdown) Greengrocer school: Just do random shit you find amusing outside of the raid scene.

definitely dude although some of us have BARELY managed to avoid permanently damaging breakdowns

i call that the Sneaksy Effect

[kb2005]

What happened to Sneaksy? I enjoyed her stories.

[vorpal_raddish]

...

So Inbox has disputed a few raid mobs with you and you somehow equate that to not only him hating you but our entire guild? Don't you think that's a rather drastic leap of logic?

[Manasana2]

lol Disputed...turnip If I dare posted the CRAZY ass shit inbox has sent to me MULTIPLE raids and random times.. you wouldnt think so highly of him but lets not go there

[Manasana2]

First time BG contested AG people in AG blew some gaskets... it happends but still was uncalled for

[Dreenk317]

So Inbox has disputed a few raid mobs with you and you somehow equate that to not only him hating you but our entire guild? Don't you think that's a rather drastic leap of logic?

no more drastic than OP declaring an ENTIRE guild to be pieces of shit because THREE of there members did something that made him mad

[spanky_kc]

Sounds like some real neckbeard cut throat raiding here. If you want to kill mobs cleanly w/o camping a gnoll spawn apply to aftermath.org today!

[spanky_kc]

aftermathguild.org ! =D

[Heebs13]

no more drastic than OP declaring an ENTIRE guild to be pieces of shit because THREE of there members did something that made him mad

There's been a lot of generalizing entire guilds because of the actions of individuals. Doesn't make it accurate.

[Heebs13]

Sounds like some real neckbeard cut throat raiding here. If you want to kill mobs cleanly w/o camping a gnoll spawn apply to aftermath.org today!

Does AM frequently raid Lodi?

[Dreenk317]

There's been a lot of generalizing entire guilds because of the actions of individuals. Doesn't make it accurate.

Fair enough, my generalization was based on the accusations and insults directed towards BG from an AG officer in public channels on multiple occasions. When it's someone that represents the guild at a leadership level, it's a bit more than just a generalization in my opinion though.

[Dreenk317]

Does AM frequently raid Lodi?

Every time they are raid banned :p


So yes....

[Manasana2]

Booo get off the stage Aftermath!!!

[Heebs13]

Every time they are raid banned :p


So yes....

You know, the irony of the most commonly raid-banned guild advertising "killing mobs cleanly" didn't really dawn on me at first. That's kind of a good point now that I think about it.

[Troxx]

Lol funny story.

I, for one, found the tactics used by BG to be quite clever. Douche move? Sure, but totally legal. Honestly it's no worse than the standard stall tactic of getting FTE and then kiting it around for 4-15 minutes to fully debuff it because you don't have the man-power to straight up engage while a dozen people capable of a direct engage stand around sighing.

Did the AG enchanter get a warning/suspension?

[Droog007]

Alright, since I've been outed as an officer, I will apologize to BG at large for my generalizations. Specifically, I've had some civil conversation with Plush over this very incident. It was just easier to say, "BG" than it was to dig through my logs and name each douchebag... also I didn't plan to name names.

I guess maybe I thought it was obvious enough that I was only talking about the folks that were actually directly engaged with the fucking me over thing.

In AG, we take pride in the behavior of our members (RNF typically notwithstanding), and so usually it's a good thing to be generalized. I guess that's where my mind is at. You are your guild's reputation. I'm tribal like that - maybe it's not a good thing.

[Droog007]

So I'm pretty well done with the nerdrage, as I indicated last night.

But a calm has come over me and I'd like to elucidate one more argument that I think will illustrate better why I feel so fucked over here. This will also be a little tidbit for you people clamoring for logs...


[Sun Oct 08 05:22:36 2017] You begin casting Bedlam. (1)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Targeted (NPC): Xeker (2)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Your eyes gleam with bedlam. (3)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Targeted (NPC): Grizlin Bloodfang
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:41 2017] You begin casting Tashanian. (4)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:42 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang glances nervously about.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:49 2017] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:52 2017] Your spell is interrupted. (5)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:53 2017] You begin casting Allure. (6)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:54 2017] Cashme begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:01 2017] Targeted (NPC): Lodizal
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:01 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:03 2017] Grizluk says out of character, 'what's this now?' (7)
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:03 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang tells you, 'Attacking Lodizal Master.'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:09 2017] Grizluk says out of character, 'some interfering/>'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:12 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Targeted (NPC): Grizlin Bloodfang
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:20 2017] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:21 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:24 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'KS'n also'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] You begin casting Speed of the Shissar.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] Your Staff of the Serpent begins to glow.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:26 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:27 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'tsk tsk'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:29 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:31 2017] Cashme says, 'i killing that need it '
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:31 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang's body pulses with the spirit of the Shissar.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:36 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:38 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:40 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:45 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:47 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:48 2017] Cashme says, 'i woz killing Grizlin Bloodfang'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:48 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:55 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:58 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:59 2017] You say, 'you can get him afterwards'
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:01 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:02 2017] Targeted (NPC): Lodizal
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:02 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:04 2017] Targeted (NPC): Xeker
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:04 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:07 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:08 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:12 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:15 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:16 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:25 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:28 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:29 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:31 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:39 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:41 2017] Cashme says, 'U KS my MOB>>'
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:42 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:45 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:51 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:53 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:56 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:57 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:00 2017] You say, 'it's not dead'
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:03 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:08 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:10 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'enjoy it while it lasts, can't charm an engaged mob. It's a KS' (8)
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:18 2017] Cashme says, 'U KS my MOB>> Grizlin Bloodfang i woz killing '
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[Sun Oct 08 05:28:41 2017] Sirken tells you, 'GM Sirken here, you around?' (9)



So at this point, Lodizal is entirely debuffed and ready to be tanked.
ENC has run over to her spot for grabbing Grizlin and sees he's not up yet, but there are people hanging around his tent. (I think Xeker was Cashme's pet)
Grizlin has spawned sometime in the last 3 seconds
ENC still does not know what the people in Grizlin's tent plan to do. She told me afterwards that she thought they probably planned to pre-emptively charm it. She can't see melee animations from this distance, and any movement in the HP bar was not noticeable and/or she wasn't even looking at it. Why would she?
ENC had begun to cast Mesmerize, as that is typically how she gains control of a mob that she is planning to [re]charm. NOW she sees that people are trying to kill her intended pet, so she ducks.
Grizlin has taken visible damage now, but she has no reason to believe that they beat her to the punch, so she continues with her plan.
ENC alerts me by voice that someone was fucking with Grizlin while she was trying to charm it.
This is the first moment that ENC realizes what they were doing. She could not see that they started meleeing it until after tash landed and Grizlin closed some of the distance between them. It's only NOW that she realizes she did not have "FTE" on Grizlin (as crazy as it sounds to even need that)
Amazingly, 6 minutes after Tash landed, Sirken is in tells with her


The important thing to know here is that the ENC had no way of knowing who had "FTE" on Grizlin, since he obviously has no FTE shout (Why in the HELL would he need one?) It was only after the mob was already charmed that it began to dawn on her what the BG members' plan was - to tag Grizlin with melee and then petition her charm as a KS.

What are we supposed to do at that point?? Well, maybe if the Blood Guard members in attendance had only waited a few minutes, they could have explained TO US that they made a legal decision to cockblock Grizlin with a melee tag and they would petition us if we did not share loot.


And maybe..... juuuuust maybe... we would have.

But then again maybe not... I think I'd sooner destroy the loot myself and eat a suspension than negotiate with terrorists.

[Droog007]

Haha... well I've considered the other gnolls, but they are low level and/or shaman ... so they will cancel magic Turgur's and then melt away.

[Triiz]

She can't see melee animations from this distance, and any movement in the HP bar was not noticeable and/or she wasn't even looking at it. Why would she?


You keep saying this, but who doesn't double check their target bar before they engage a mob? It's not like it's some strenuous time consuming process. Especially if you see people "hanging" around the exact spot the mob is. Nobody's believing that.

This whole ordeal happened over 20 seconds, and 7 seconds of that is a gap between tash landing and mez starting to cast. I play an enchanter and I don't see why you'd wait 7 seconds to start casting mez after tash, if you wanted to pull it towards you Allure has a 6 second cast time.


Lord Sirken has ruled, RNF doesn't care, best to move on.



https://i.imgur.com/dbx9wNQ.jpg


lol

[Pokesan]

go a lil further north and get the other gnoll. this mornings lodi kill partner got fte, i ran towards Grizlin Bloodfang, unsure if he was camped, panicked and sweating in the heat of a lodi boner w/o time for a CC response, i went up and grabbed Balix Misteyes. few minutes later to my horror:

https://i.imgur.com/dbx9wNQ.jpg

cant win

unmask this shit.

[Triiz]

Haha... well I've considered the other gnolls, but they are low level and/or shaman ... so they will cancel magic Turgur's and then melt away.

If only there was some magical button an Enchanter could use to interrupt all their pets spells as soon as they start casting.

One can dream.

[indiscriminate_hater]

yikes

https://i.imgur.com/GBvwi3L.png

[Heebs13]

yikes

https://i.imgur.com/GBvwi3L.png

The real question is, are the 'Dr's in front of their names pronounced as part of the name, or are they both doctors?

[Dreenk317]

So I'm pretty well done with the nerdrage, as I indicated last night.

But a calm has come over me and I'd like to elucidate one more argument that I think will illustrate better why I feel so fucked over here. This will also be a little tidbit for you people clamoring for logs...


[Sun Oct 08 05:22:36 2017] You begin casting Bedlam. (1)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Targeted (NPC): Xeker (2)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Your eyes gleam with bedlam. (3)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Targeted (NPC): Grizlin Bloodfang
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:41 2017] You begin casting Tashanian. (4)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:42 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang glances nervously about.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:49 2017] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:52 2017] Your spell is interrupted. (5)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:53 2017] You begin casting Allure. (6)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:54 2017] Cashme begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:01 2017] Targeted (NPC): Lodizal
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:01 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:03 2017] Grizluk says out of character, 'what's this now?' (7)
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:03 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang tells you, 'Attacking Lodizal Master.'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:09 2017] Grizluk says out of character, 'some interfering/>'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:12 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Targeted (NPC): Grizlin Bloodfang
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:20 2017] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:21 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:24 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'KS'n also'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] You begin casting Speed of the Shissar.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] Your Staff of the Serpent begins to glow.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:26 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:27 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'tsk tsk'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:29 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:31 2017] Cashme says, 'i killing that need it '
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:31 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang's body pulses with the spirit of the Shissar.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:36 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:38 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:40 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:45 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:47 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:48 2017] Cashme says, 'i woz killing Grizlin Bloodfang'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:48 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:55 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:58 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:59 2017] You say, 'you can get him afterwards'
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:01 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:02 2017] Targeted (NPC): Lodizal
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:02 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:04 2017] Targeted (NPC): Xeker
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:04 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:07 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:08 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:12 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:15 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:16 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:25 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:28 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:29 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:31 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:39 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:41 2017] Cashme says, 'U KS my MOB>>'
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:42 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:45 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:51 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:53 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:56 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:57 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:00 2017] You say, 'it's not dead'
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:03 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:08 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:10 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'enjoy it while it lasts, can't charm an engaged mob. It's a KS' (8)
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:18 2017] Cashme says, 'U KS my MOB>> Grizlin Bloodfang i woz killing '
.
.
.
[Sun Oct 08 05:28:41 2017] Sirken tells you, 'GM Sirken here, you around?' (9)



So at this point, Lodizal is entirely debuffed and ready to be tanked.
ENC has run over to her spot for grabbing Grizlin and sees he's not up yet, but there are people hanging around his tent. (I think Xeker was Cashme's pet)
Grizlin has spawned sometime in the last 3 seconds
ENC still does not know what the people in Grizlin's tent plan to do. She told me afterwards that she thought they probably planned to pre-emptively charm it. She can't see melee animations from this distance, and any movement in the HP bar was not noticeable and/or she wasn't even looking at it. Why would she?
ENC had begun to cast Mesmerize, as that is typically how she gains control of a mob that she is planning to [re]charm. NOW she sees that people are trying to kill her intended pet, so she ducks.
Grizlin has taken visible damage now, but she has no reason to believe that they beat her to the punch, so she continues with her plan.
ENC alerts me by voice that someone was fucking with Grizlin while she was trying to charm it.
This is the first moment that ENC realizes what they were doing. She could not see that they started meleeing it until after tash landed and Grizlin closed some of the distance between them. It's only NOW that she realizes she did not have "FTE" on Grizlin (as crazy as it sounds to even need that)
Amazingly, 6 minutes after Tash landed, Sirken is in tells with her


The important thing to know here is that the ENC had no way of knowing who had "FTE" on Grizlin, since he obviously has no FTE shout (Why in the HELL would he need one?) It was only after the mob was already charmed that it began to dawn on her what the BG members' plan was - to tag Grizlin with melee and then petition her charm as a KS.

What are we supposed to do at that point?? Well, maybe if the Blood Guard members in attendance had only waited a few minutes, they could have explained TO US that they made a legal decision to cockblock Grizlin with a melee tag and they would petition us if we did not share loot.


And maybe..... juuuuust maybe... we would have.

But then again maybe not... I think I'd sooner destroy the loot myself and eat a suspension than negotiate with terrorists.

According to you, the chanter realized the gnoll was engaged at the point that she ducked her mes, and according to you, she knew what there intention was. And AFTER realizing they had engaged the mob, she charmed it. That is the definition of knowingly breaking the rules.

[Dreenk317]

You also state she ducked her spell, then noticed it had taken visible damage but had no reason to think she'd been beaten to the punch?!?! If mob is open and not engaged, why is it taking damage?!?! How did you become an officer in AG if you don't know basic server KS rules?

[Comoc1]

This is hilarious. RNF needed a good new thread.

[orangemang]

Wasn't going to post this but fuck it. To keep your anonymity since you had been kind enough to keep everyone involved anonymous until now, I had already redacted the names and quite frankly don't feel like going through and finding the convo again in the logs.

[Sun Oct 08 05:37:07 2017] Sirken says, '<Shaman>, its not against the rules for them to engage a mob. if you wanted the gnoll you should have charmed it before it was attacked'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:28 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'wasn't possible. They attacked as soon as it respawned'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:36 2017] <Shaman> says, 'OK.... but they didn't come here for Grizlin - they came here for Lodi'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:47 2017] Sirken says, 'OK but they engaged Griz before you did'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:53 2017] Sirken says, 'which means its theirs'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:57 2017] Sirken says, 'which means you dont touch it'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:09 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'I understand'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:27 2017] You say, 'As mentioned, it was the only legal course we had to get a chance at lodi.'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:31 2017] Sirken says, 'and <Shaman>, do you also understand?'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:39 2017] <Shaman> says, 'Yes, I guess I do'

Douche move on my part? Okay, I'll admit to how you and others can view it that way but don't get your feelings so hurt because it was still a smart one. The correct move for you would have been to drop Griz or not charm him at all. Adapt and get the lodi kill. I didn't expect when we decided to make this play that you would actually charm ks him anyway therefore having to petition wasn't what I wanted to do and wasn't part of our strategy.

I was not however going to allow you to steal Griz from us to use him anyway. We don't have to tell you the truth about what we planned to do with Griz and obviously you realized what was happening anyway. In fact telling you totally negates the point of it being a strategy to get lodi. She admits openly to the GM it wasn't possible for her to tag Griz as we were on him the moment he respawned.

The fact that you keep calling us terrorists is fucking hilarious. Still working to get the salt out apparently. I hate that you feel so personally attacked over this as that wasn't my intention and didn't realize your feelings could be hurt so easily.

If I had waited and you got the kill and petitioned, what do you think would happen? Temp ban is possible but we had a player perma banned for a similar situation. When Sirken responded immediately the first thing in my mind was "Oh fuck, I really hope i'm not about to get these two banned". You can believe that or not. I don't really care.

[orangemang]

Also, holy shit, your an AG officer? And you came to RNF because you got butthurt because I dicked you over good legally? That's pretty sad man.

[jakerees]

Wasn't going to post this but fuck it. To keep your anonymity since you had been kind enough to keep everyone involved anonymous until now, I had already redacted the names and quite frankly don't feel like going through and finding the convo again in the logs.

[Sun Oct 08 05:37:07 2017] Sirken says, '<Shaman>, its not against the rules for them to engage a mob. if you wanted the gnoll you should have charmed it before it was attacked'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:28 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'wasn't possible. They attacked as soon as it respawned'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:36 2017] <Shaman> says, 'OK.... but they didn't come here for Grizlin - they came here for Lodi'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:47 2017] Sirken says, 'OK but they engaged Griz before you did'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:53 2017] Sirken says, 'which means its theirs'
[Sun Oct 08 05:37:57 2017] Sirken says, 'which means you dont touch it'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:09 2017] <Enchanter> says, 'I understand'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:27 2017] You say, 'As mentioned, it was the only legal course we had to get a chance at lodi.'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:31 2017] Sirken says, 'and <Shaman>, do you also understand?'
[Sun Oct 08 05:38:39 2017] <Shaman> says, 'Yes, I guess I do'

Douche move on my part? Okay, I'll admit to how you and others can view it that way but don't get your feelings so hurt because it was still a smart one. The correct move for you would have been to drop Griz or not charm him at all. Adapt and get the lodi kill. I didn't expect when we decided to make this play that you would actually charm ks him anyway therefore having to petition wasn't what I wanted to do and wasn't part of our strategy.

I was not however going to allow you to steal Griz from us to use him anyway. We don't have to tell you the truth about what we planned to do with Griz and obviously you realized what was happening anyway. In fact telling you totally negates the point of it being a strategy to get lodi. She admits openly to the GM it wasn't possible for her to tag Griz as we were on him the moment he respawned.

The fact that you keep calling us terrorists is fucking hilarious. Still working to get the salt out apparently. I hate that you feel so personally attacked over this as that wasn't my intention and didn't realize your feelings could be hurt so easily.

If I had waited and you got the kill and petitioned, what do you think would happen? Temp ban is possible but we had a player perma banned for a similar situation. When Sirken responded immediately the first thing in my mind was "Oh fuck, I really hope i'm not about to get these two banned". You can believe that or not. I don't really care.

LOL. Nah, you were hoping to get them banned.

[JboxCSU]

jfc you nerds need to go outside.

[LiQuid]

I went outside to try and appease my insatiable hunger for turtle murder but as soon as I poked it with my spear some idiot came and took him away from me. I tried to petition but didn't get a response from any omnipresent judges to rule over my petty dispute. :(

[jakerees]

I went outside to try and appease my insatiable hunger for turtle murder but as soon as I poked it with my spear some idiot came and took him away from me. I tried to petition but didn't get a response from any omnipresent judges to rule over my petty dispute. :(

Did you also try to charm a dog man to help you with this turtle murder?

[skarlorn]

i'd like to point out that this dreenk317 FAY GATE has done the pathetic "i'm washing my hands of this now" and then literally come back posting walls of nerd rage text.

Good stuff bro!

[Heebs13]

i'd like to point out that this dreenk317 FAY GATE has done the pathetic "i'm washing my hands of this now" and then literally come back posting walls of nerd rage text.

Good stuff bro!

Lol I thought I was the only one that used 'Fay Gate' that way.

[Keary]

Heyoooooooo

[sereal]

Come to the red server. The fact this thread was made 2 days ago and it has garnered this much attention over rule lawyering is astounding. On red, here's how it works. Lodizal is up, you have a legit group on the way to help you kill him. If people pull the move you just described, you can either let them have the monster or fight them for it.

It's been said already this wouldn't happen on red for very obvious reasons.

[Droog007]

I just CANNOT fucking read! The little letters dance and sway around on my screen!

According to me, the ENC had no idea that the BG dudes were going to melee tag the mob. She only saw that they were meleeing it AFTER HER TASH HAD LANDED. Come ON, man. Really tired of explaining shit to you twice.

[PL_Barton]

[Sat Oct 07 21:50:45 2017] Shariki says, 'BG is here to assist, we expect nothing, just don't want it to go to CSG'

Who has a problem with who here....

[Droog007]

And once again, in our defense, Meah and I are a little old couple from rural KS who still believe that most of the people in this world are basically good. We hadn't given ANY thought to how we would overcome a pack of slavering douche-swillers who might come along and cockblock the ideal pet.

Also, /pet sit spam is annoying, and not 100% effective when you've got your hands full with other stuff. The chance they slip in a dispel on a mob like Lodi is not worth it in my opinion.

[Droog007]

Fair enough, my generalization was based on the accusations and insults directed towards BG from an AG officer in public channels on multiple occasions. When it's someone that represents the guild at a leadership level, it's a bit more than just a generalization in my opinion though.

I read this and thought he was talking about me bashing you guys in THIS public channel. I momentarily forgot that this thread got an awesome guy who stepped up to lead raids for us rolled into it (Inbox rox).

[Droog007]

So, whatever... now names are out there. I'm not ashamed of anything here... and yes, I'm an officer for many years now, and I still sometimes get mad when people shit on my morning.

I don't always RNF... but when I do I rant and I flame.

[Lhancelot]

[Sat Oct 07 21:50:45 2017] Shariki says, 'BG is here to assist, we expect nothing, just don't want it to go to CSG'

Who has a problem with who here....

Is it true Mana took from AG for years, then after recieving proper training to field nerds into battle on raids from the AG leadership abandoned them high and dry while pilfering their ranks to create his own guild?

That's what I heard.

It appears AG better for it anyway. The quality of membership seems to have improved recently. Seems like BG attracts those kind of players.

***Every game server needs a guild or two that acts as a home to the types of players who like to play a little dirty to get what they want, riding the line of what is allowed/not allowed in the game.

[Droog007]

Mana also put a lot of energy into AG. I said it before he left and it's still true - I appreciate what he did for us.

But then he went off the deep end... and I'm talkin' DEEP. I just didn't want him around anymore.

[zati]

It's always hilarious to see p99 players type shit like "outplayed". These guys were giving each other virtual high fives and back pats for such a brilliant job denying other everquesters pixels. Congrats you fucks, you sure showed them! Now go play a real fucking competitive game and stop popping little baby boners every time you show off your mad skillz in a pve rpg.

^^^this

it's an mmo wit only 1-3 buttons to mash. if anything the sham/enc are out playing an entire GUILD. Way to go picking on TWO people vs a Zerg of non skilled players lul.

yall are retarded, get carried more

[Lhancelot]

Mana also put a lot of energy into AG. I said it before he left and it's still true - I appreciate what he did for us.

But then he went off the deep end... and I'm talkin' DEEP. I just didn't want him around anymore.

What I was told was he put energy into AG when it benefited him. I suppose if that inadvertently helped others out, then in some ways it was a win/win.

[orangemang]

^^^this

it's an mmo wit only 1-3 buttons to mash. if anything the sham/enc are out playing an entire GUILD. Way to go picking on TWO people vs a Zerg of non skilled players lul.

yall are retarded, get carried more

1 more person with 1 other on the way is zerging? Nope, bringing 50+ ppl to EJ for Sev is a zerg.

[zati]

1 more person with 1 other on the way is zerging? Nope, bringing 50+ ppl to EJ for Sev is a zerg.

get carried more

[William_Munny15]

Out plays happening across the board right now!

[skarlorn]

AG gone down the fuckin drain yo

[Lhancelot]

AG gone down the fuckin drain yo

No. They drained their swamp.

[orangemang]

get carried more

Troll harder bruh

[zati]

Troll harder bruh

Or you're gonna petition me? :D

[Dreenk317]

i'd like to point out that this dreenk317 FAY GATE has done the pathetic "i'm washing my hands of this now" and then literally come back posting walls of nerd rage text.

Good stuff bro!

i said post me logs and prove me wrong, he posted logs, dont see them proving me wrong at all.

[orangemang]

Or you're gonna petition me? :D

Only if you don't drop my legally engaged thread! :p

[orangemang]

Out plays happening across the board right now!

Agreed. Also kudos on Sev last weekend. I may talk a lot of shit but I can still give a congrats where it's deserved.

[mcoy]

Wow I managed to waste a whole hour at work today reading this. Thanks fellas!

-Mcoy

[Droog007]

... but damn I love that scotch ale. :)

Love Scotch ale also... I'll look for it, assuming they distribute.

[wwoneo]

When I originally posted https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282517 Lodizal Dead @ 9:15AM PST - Happy Hunting I had only a tiny glimmer of hope that something like this would happen... I never had imagined that it would have erupted into a post such as this. Thank you BG for providing us with this amount of entertainment.

I enjoy devoting a very small part of my free time to see the douchbaggery of people explode on p99. You don't see this level of autism very often.

To this day I still find it hilarious that you all are try-harding at a game that has a difficulty skill ceiling that doesn't even touch the skill floors of most modern games. I still LOL @ Sirken and friends when they advocate for competition in this game as if it was hard and actually meaningful, rather than promoting a game where people just enjoyed playing.

P.S. Special thanks to Mead:
I'm hoping that all of this was a result of the guy trolling server chat with lodi death time

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282517

If so, well played

Without this I might have not seen this thread. My friend mentioned it to me when he saw your post.

[Sadiki]

Is it true Mana took from AG for years, then after recieving proper training to field nerds into battle on raids from the AG leadership abandoned them high and dry while pilfering their ranks to create his own guild?
Can confirm Mana has literally no idea what he is doing and all of this is false. Any success on a raid he leads is purely coincidental.

It's like getting presents on Christmas. You think you are getting rewarded for being a good boy, but it's just your parents carrying you.

[orangemang]

When I originally posted https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282517 I had only a tiny glimmer of hope that something like this would happen... I never had imagined that it would have erupted into a post such as this. Thank you BG for providing us with this amount of entertainment.

I enjoy devoting a very small part of my free time to see the douchbaggery of people explode on p99. You don't see this level of autism very often.

To this day I still find it hilarious that you all are try-harding at a game that has a difficulty skill ceiling that doesn't even touch the skill floors of most modern games. I still LOL @ Sirken and friends when they advocate for competition in this game as if it was hard and actually meaningful, rather than promoting a game where people just enjoyed playing.

P.S. Special thanks to Mead:


Without this I might have not seen this thread. My friend mentioned it to me when he saw your post.

Don't suck your own dick too hard buddy. Your shitty attempt at a troll had 0 correlation to this beautiful piece of rnf.

[wwoneo]

Don't suck your own dick too hard buddy. Your shitty attempt at a troll had 0 correlation to this beautiful piece of rnf.

too late sucked myself dry. im basking in the glory of this wonderful piece of art work. your feeble attempts to get a rise out of me will never succeed.

ttyl im going to enjoy the rest of my day. have fun spending the rest of your day in bed with a chicken leg in one hand and your tablet in the other responding to rnf.

[GraveD]

too late sucked myself dry. im basking in the glory of this wonderful piece of art work. your feeble attempts to get a rise out of me will never succeed.

ttyl im going to enjoy the rest of my day. have fun spending the rest of your day in bed with a chicken leg in one hand and your tablet in the other responding to rnf.

https://i.imgur.com/inpaEjq.png

[Lhancelot]

have fun spending the rest of your day in bed with a chicken leg in one hand and your tablet in the other responding to rnf.

10/10 for vivid imagery created with less words, loved it. ^