A Socialist Position on Predator Pornographers

[JurisDictum]

It's been awhile since I pissed everyone off with some cultural leftism, so I thought I'd talk about what Porn should be illegal in a Socialist society.

Basically, everything fine except assholes like Max Hardcore, and the Facial Abuse guys. Even if you just fucking looove watching women gag and struggle for breathe, there is some more kosher options now. Producers that are at least are relatively as respectful as possible when filming degrading rough blowjob porn. What sparked my interest in this topic was this experience by an porn actress with Facial Abuse:

Then the shit started. I was headed to a shoot with Facial Abuse. I had done my research and looked at the site. It look pretty damn rough but I was reassured it would be fine. Because of traffic I got there a little late. After I got my makeup done and got dressed everything was put on hold while we waited for the camera guy to show up. In that time I signed my contract and took some photos on set. Just before we started shooting I had to ask the producer to show me the male talents STD tests before we started which was met with some sighing and the tests. Shady for sure. At that point I just wanted to get done. when the camera guy finally arrived at midnight we started shooting. My plan was to try and get through as much of the scene as possible before taking a break. The fewer breaks, the sooner I could get a burger and pass out. Once we started I didn't even make it for 2 minutes before I had to stop. I started on my knees with the male talent literally shoving their cocks down my throat until I gagged an couldn't breath.

I had to break because I was ready to pass out. when we started again it was no easier. I was still on my knees an the guys were so aggressive that at one point I literally had to stand up and push with all of my strength to get off of him. there is no point in having a safe word when you can't talk. I was clawing at their legs and slapping their thighs and they still wouldn't let up. So I took another breather and now I had 5 minutes of footage under my belt. After my break one of the guys picked me up and threw me over his shoulder and shoved me on him again. Then they pulled me off by my hair and smacked me in the face so hard it gave me a bloody nose. they didn't even notice that I was bleeding until they threw me onto the couch and started throat fucking me while my head hung off the couch. the guy jumped off and was like dude you have a bloody nose! That will look great on camera! I took another break and cleaned up my face and had some water. As I was sitting on the couch I noticed that I was having trouble seeing straight. One eye was looking one way and the other looked straight. So not cool. We started again with me leaning off the couch again and again I had to shove the guys off of me with all my might to be able to breath. I even threw myself on the floor to get away and they picked me back up, dropped me on the couch and kept going. finally I called for a break and took off for the dressing room. I was so done being abused.

I was literally shaking and my brain was no longer in the just get through the scene mode. It was very fight or flight and I could not go on anymore. After a quick call home and a cigarette, some people tried to comfort me and get me to finish the scene. I'm sorry but there was no amount anyone could pay me at this point to keep me going. After another minute to gather myself I walked back on set and said I was tapping out. They told me that they had about enough footage that they could sell it if they got the popshot so I sat on the floor and finished the scene. For all of that they paid me $200. I packed up my clothes and headed back to the city. I was so shook up I was crying on the way home too. I literally could not even swallow my soda. Those are the facts take them as you like. when I got back to NYC at 4am I was so exhausted I ate 4 Sun chips and fell asleep.

These contracts are exploitive to the performers. The lure women in with the wrong idea or try to get them so young they can't fathom what they are up for, and pay them like shit when they back out. These are working class girls and this is particularly distasteful exploitation by the bourgeois. We can't allow a legal structure that permits systematically pushing 18-22 yr old females further than they would have been willing to go if they knew beforehand.

It's worth noting however, that in a Socialist society no woman would feel desperate enough to feel porn is a necessary option. But I have no doubt there would still be plenty. The economy finds a way when it comes to porn.

[xtraball]

Make abuse illegal, not porn.

[Mead]

I especially love the part about after taking her first two minute break she thought it was going to be easier. Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit. I've watched a couple of efukt videos with this crap, and every time it's really hard to watch, but you're signing up for a porno that is literally called face assault. You can find a thousand videos on it before you even attempt it. You make them sound so naive. They know what they're getting into.

[Pokesan]

Make abuse illegal, not porn.

all pornography is abusive to both the talent and the viewer

[maskedmelonpai]

it a good thing socialists are against violent porn. can't imagine any other demographics who would be too. glad to see socialism going out on a limb liek this in defense of women.

[chadtwoke]

it a good thing socialists are against violent porn. can't imagine any other demographics who would be too. glad to see socialism going out on a limb liek this in defense of women.

https://i.imgur.com/KPaOEds.gif

[maskedmelonpai]

Yea he is really putting himself out there.

Follow up question - Hitler - good or bad?

well, as a socialist, i am sure he would have been behind OP on this, but i still feel he did enough other bad stuff to be a net bad. that just me though. am i alone in this?

[dafier]

Seems a bit extreme even for P99 "Off Topic".

I mean.....

nevermind

[JurisDictum]

The real question is would Germany have started WW2 and committed atrocities against the Jews if Hitler was never born? And by that I mean was the social climate in Germany such that WW2/Holocaust was probably going to be inevitable and whoever lead was just a figure head? Is Hitler personally responsible? I think its completely probable that he was just the spark that lite the gas of hate for a people who were ready for something to change (Remind you of anything HINT: modern America). I typically lean towards the idea of governments running themselves and whatever happens is the will of the collective whole, but Hitler was also totalitarian so I think he deserves more blame. Its like how people call George W Bush a mass murderer even though I strongly believe he has never personally killed anyone. Not sure where I am going with any of this by the way... Just posting in a sketchy thread.

Hitler would have not been able to do what he did without the underlying conditions in place by the Paris Peace Conference 1919. The Germans were paying heavy reparations for starting World War II. This provided the climate of resentment for Hitler's rise.

But Hitler himself was a huge part of World War II. He actually terrified the German military leaders into following his theories of offensive war. In the last war, The defensive was so strong attacking any nation with entrenched artillery and machine guns was basically suicide (no good combat planes then or tanks). Hitler before the actual military of Germany, saw that Tanks and other motorized inventions made offensive combat much more viable. I don't think just a regular fascist leader would have done this -- meaning Hitler takes at least some individual responsibility for it.

Basically World War II wasn't all Hitler... But it is probably the War you can point to where 1 person made the difference.

I'm against Hitler...unlike some of Trump's base of late. And I don't think Republicans or Democrats have a big problem with this kind of porn because they haven't even talked about it yet. A couple of super christen ex-porn girls made a documentary or two that is about it.

For the most part people say: whatever you should have known. Not "Well -- that is too far.

[JurisDictum]

I especially love the part about after taking her first two minute break she thought it was going to be easier. Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit. I've watched a couple of efukt videos with this crap, and every time it's really hard to watch, but you're signing up for a porno that is literally called face assault. You can find a thousand videos on it before you even attempt it. You make them sound so naive. They know what they're getting into.

I don't think she was lying. I think she saw googled it on her iphone and looked at some facefucking videos (probably with sound low or off) for a few mins and said "IDK that looks pretty rough." Then I think this friendly business contact of hers said "oh no -- their nice guys (so she can get $120) and it's not as bad as it looks."

Then I think she showed up and was shocked about how rough it was. I think that happens to a lot of girls they lure out there. There are lots of girls that did 1 scene with them and quit porn, or didn't make it and weren't paid. Meaning this is all done systematically and is somewhat predictable by these porn directors.

She did all kinds of a rough porn mind you -- this is the one she flipped out about and posted several stories about how she felt mislead and abused by the experience. This is not the first time this kind of thing has come up with them specifically.

[maskedmelonpai]

I'm against Hitler...unlike some of Trump's base of late. And I don't think Republicans or Democrats have a big problem with this kind of porn because they haven't even talked about it yet. A couple of super christen ex-porn girls made a documentary or two that is about it.

yeah, obviously everybody know all about this stuff and have watched all the documentaries on it. who hasn't?







WHO HASNT?!!??

[NachtMystium]

Dictum. You've solidified my disdain for you with this stupid shit.

Seriously defend this right here:
A WILLING adult female, who knows EXACTLY what facial abuse does, wants to get paid to be FACIALLY ABUSED, then is surprised when she starts getting facially abused??? Where is the injustice?

I don't get off on all that extreme shit but this is some next level dumb dumb shit.

Don't even come at me with "Misleading" or "Lured". If "She did her research" and "Watched some stuff on the site" it's easily fucking way extreme and just by a few of those audition clips I know exactly what they're all about.

[JurisDictum]

Dictum. You've solidified my disdain for you with this stupid shit.

Seriously defend this right here:
A WILLING adult female, who knows EXACTLY what facial abuse does, wants to get paid to be FACIALLY ABUSED, then is surprised when she starts getting facially abused??? Where is the injustice?

I don't get off on all that extreme shit but this is some next level dumb dumb shit.

Don't even come at me with "Misleading" or "Lured". If "She did her research" and "Watched some stuff on the site" it's easily fucking way extreme and just by a few of those audition clips I know exactly what they're all about.

Well I'm glade you as (I'm guessing as a guy in your 30s/40s that watched plenty of porn like me) know facial abuse is all about.

But if women routinely walk off set and say it was harder than thought, never do it again, etc...It's pretty hard to claim they are all "A WILLING adult female, who knows EXACTLY what facial abuse does." If they knew exactly what Facial Abuse does -- they wouldn't have walked on the set only to quit or regret it later would they?

And lets just point out here : just because we can find desperate 14 year olds that will do probably this exact thing for money -- doesn't mean it should be legal or is right. I'm just saying when the girl is 18 it isn't necessarily a lot better. That's a bit too young (particularly for a millennial) to assume they know exactly what they are signing up for.

This isn't a theory -- this is what girls said themselves. They didn't know what they were getting into. They regreated it. Usually a women like Ginna Lynn for example, won't straight up say "yea that wasn't worth the 3000 dollers" or whatever they paid her -- but you can fucking tell she didn't think it was worth it later. And she is about as pro as you get in this sort of thing.

In her words:

"Well I did do a scene for Facial Abuse.com and
will never do it again. I think that is drawing the line
and its probably only a matter of time until they are looked at."

[NachtMystium]

Well I'm glade you as (I'm guessing as a guy in your 30s/40s that watched plenty of porn like me) know facial abuse is all about.

But if women routinely walk off set and say it was harder than thought, never do it again, etc...It's pretty hard to claim they are all "A WILLING adult female, who knows EXACTLY what facial abuse does." If they knew exactly what Facial Abuse does -- they wouldn't have walked on the set only to quit or regret it later would they?

And lets just point out here : just because we can find desperate 14 year olds that will do probably this exact thing for money -- doesn't mean it should be legal or is right. I'm just saying when the girl is 18 it isn't necessarily a lot better. That's a bit too young (particularly for a millennial) to assume they know exactly what they are signing up for.

Like I said, I've never been to the site and just by the few meme videos I saw I could tell, this is some seriously extreme shit. I'd have to assume if I was about to go try and get a gig with this site I'd have done more research than some guy on the internet looking for laughs.

This isn't a theory -- this is what girls said themselves. They didn't know what they were getting into. They regreated it. Usually a women like Ginna Lynn for example, won't straight up say "yea that wasn't worth the 3000 dollers" or whatever they paid her -- but you can fucking tell she didn't think it was worth it later. And she is about as pro as you get in this sort of thing.

In her words:

"Well I did do a scene for Facial Abuse.com and
will never do it again. I think that is drawing the line
and its probably only a matter of time until they are looked at."

Bro. If you're willingly signing up for a porn called facial abuse not expecting to get facially abused, you're gonna have a bad time. I'm 29 years old, I've never been to the site, I've only watched those meme videos where he degrades the auditioners(and in his words, he does it to make them regret even doing porn in the first place).

Idk where you're getting 14 year olds but it's understandable that you're going off on weird socialist dumb dumb stuff that just makes a simple topic into weirdo land.

First thing's first: Sex-work can be fulfilling if that's your thing, whatever. However, facial abuse isn't the first scene i'd go looking for as a "Young unsuspecting female who is innocently looking into getting into the porn world" Lmao. You're mental.

Not to mention, in her post she had many breaks and was talking about how awful it was like she was forced to stay there or something... she could've left at any time, especially "The first 2 unbearable minutes".

long story short: don't sign up for obvious abusive shit if you dont expect to get abused, and if you're too dumb to see blatant things for what they are, then you have to learn the lesson the hard way, which she did.

Like I said, I've only seen the meme videos of the producer degrading the auditoners, and just from that I could tell this was some seriously extreme shit. I'd have to assume someone seriously seeking out a gig with these guys would do more research than me, how they couldn't put 2 and 2 together from that is a real head-scratcher.

[JurisDictum]

Bro. If you're willingly signing up for a porn called facial abuse not expecting to get facially abused, you're gonna have a bad time. I'm 29 years old, I've never been to the site, I've only watched those meme videos where he degrades the auditioners(and in his words, he does it to make them regret even doing porn in the first place).

Idk where you're getting 14 year olds but it's understandable that you're going off on weird socialist dumb dumb stuff that just makes a simple topic into weirdo land.

First thing's first: Sex-work can be fulfilling if that's your thing, whatever. However, facial abuse isn't the first scene i'd go looking for as a "Young unsuspecting female who is innocently looking into getting into the porn world" Lmao. You're mental.

Not to mention, in her post she had many breaks and was talking about how awful it was like she was forced to stay there or something... she could've left at any time, especially "The first 2 unbearable minutes".

long story short: don't sign up for obvious abusive shit if you dont expect to get abused, and if you're too dumb to see blatant things for what they are, then you have to learn the lesson the hard way, which she did.

Like I said, I've only seen the meme videos of the producer degrading the auditoners, and just from that I could tell this was some seriously extreme shit. I'd have to assume someone seriously seeking out a gig with these guys would do more research than me, how they couldn't put 2 and 2 together from that is a real head-scratcher.

I think your missing any real empathy for what its like to be a porn girl. And no, I don't think they are all victimized by the industry all the time. But you have to realize when your meeting people and doing rough porn regularily -- there are certain norms like any other business.

This site I'm talking about breaks those norms* and feeds off the shock the girls experience. The real person -- not some submissive character she is playing. They purposefully try to say things that truly disturb them and get them emotionally fucked up while stretching their boundaries physically more than just about any other porn out there.

This comes out of left field if you have done like 8 hardcore gangbang sceens with gagging and slapping degrading comments. Once you do that -- wouldn't you assume you kindda know what rough porn is about? All these sites are named ridiculous shit like "facefuckers" and "gagthebitch" -- you really think they wouldn't take "facial abuse" with a grain of salt like everything else?


Instead this site is uniquely bad and is not reasonable to suggest every girl do enough independent research to know exactly what they are getting into. You think any girl reads their contract? So what if they did? Do you think they would understand a word of it? Trust me -- they wouldn't. You just sign it like a lot of other things people do in their life. Let's stop pretending we are in a era where corporate law is readable to anyone except people that read a lot of corporate law all the time (sometimes not even to them).

*One of these norms, is to calm down when the porn actress has to stop everything. These guys amp it up when the scene continues. That's probably why she thought it would get better...and left shortly after it didn't. (They basically blackmailed a facial out of her for $200 by saying it was that or nothing after all the she did).

[Baler]

I think people are looking into this too deeply.. Let's back up..

Bad parenting = bad kids who grow up to become bad parents.

[JurisDictum]

I think people are looking into this too deeply.. Let's back up..

Bad parenting = bad kids who grow up to become bad parents.

I realize I got in deep on this topic that borders creepy...that's kind of how far you need to go to explain why this particular thing is wrong.

But yea -- I don't think girls from good parents choose to be face fucked on camera. Unfortunately, some of boys from good parents decide they want to face fuck their girlfriend though -- almost certainly because that porn is posted everywhere now....rather than a rare disturbing niche thing 35 year old pervs get into. So where does that leave all our girls from good parents?

[Pokesan]

The real question is would Germany have started WW2 and committed atrocities against the Jews if Hitler was never born? And by that I mean was the social climate in Germany such that WW2/Holocaust was probably going to be inevitable and whoever lead was just a figure head? Is Hitler personally responsible? I think its completely probable that he was just the spark that lite the gas of hate for a people who were ready for something to change (Remind you of anything HINT: modern America). I typically lean towards the idea of governments running themselves and whatever happens is the will of the collective whole, but Hitler was also totalitarian so I think he deserves more blame. Its like how people call George W Bush a mass murderer even though I strongly believe he has never personally killed anyone. Not sure where I am going with any of this by the way... Just posting in a sketchy thread.

so, what? be nicer to conservatives or they might genocide you? idiot.

[JurisDictum]

Hitler would have not been able to do what he did without the underlying conditions in place by the Paris Peace Conference 1919. The Germans were paying heavy reparations for starting World War II. This provided the climate of resentment for Hitler's rise.


Correction: World War I created the groundwork for Germany's aggression in World War II. Germany was the only great power that had incentive to go to war -- because they were paying huge reparations to France. The conservatives (eventually the fascists) also got on this historical revisionism about how France owed them land in the Rhineland or something. This was mostly a tactic to discredit German leftists politicians for supporting the peace... but eventually the population ran with it.

Think: Donald Trump and his assurances of "great deals."

[Rader]

Correction: World War I created the groundwork for Germany's aggression in World War II. Germany was the only great power that had incentive to go to war -- because they were paying huge reparations to France. The conservatives (eventually the fascists) also got on this historical revisionism about how France owed them land in the Rhineland or something. This was mostly a tactic to discredit German leftists politicians for supporting the peace... but eventually the population ran with it.

Think: Donald Trump and his assurances of "great deals."

Most leaders are a reaction to the failures that preceded them.

Overwrought war protests led to Nixon.
Nixon's crimes led to Carter.
Carter's malaise led to Reagan.
Reagan was successful and Bush 1 inherited that.
Bush 1's raising taxes led to Clinton.
Clinton's sex led to Bush 2.
Bush Derangement Syndrome led to Obama.
Obama's failures weakness and stupid lectures, on top of being a buttmonkey, led to Trump.

[Pokesan]

Dictum. You've solidified my disdain for you with this stupid shit.

Seriously defend this right here:
A WILLING adult female, who knows EXACTLY what facial abuse does, wants to get paid to be FACIALLY ABUSED, then is surprised when she starts getting facially abused??? Where is the injustice?

I don't get off on all that extreme shit but this is some next level dumb dumb shit.

Don't even come at me with "Misleading" or "Lured". If "She did her research" and "Watched some stuff on the site" it's easily fucking way extreme and just by a few of those audition clips I know exactly what they're all about.

id like to hear from Lune on this one.

o mighty moon man, grant us your wisdom
can sexual assault be rendered legal via contract?

[Patriam1066]

I like trump's ideas on immigration. A dramatic reduction in all forms of immigration = beneficial for the environment, domestic food supply, landfills, conspicuous consumption, etc

Ending DACA is political suicide, cruel, and stupid as fuck

I'm posting this here because the original thread's content is dumb. Jesus is real and all porn is a sin idiots wake up

[NachtMystium]

id like to hear from Lune on this one.

o mighty moon man, grant us your wisdom
can sexual assault be rendered legal via contract?

you ever heard of a dominatrix?

[NachtMystium]

Ending DACA is political suicide, cruel, and stupid as fuck


Do you even understand what you're saying? It's not "Ending DACA". It was objectively unconstitutionally introduced by Obama and Trump is merely shooting back onto the RINOs and forcing congress to make it legal, if it's such a good and just act, how hard should it be to make it legal?? Lmao. I know that really hurts the facebook politics but you have to ask yourself, what is facebook politics compared to actual politics?

6 months to fix Obama's unlawful fuck up to make it lawful is not equal to Ending DACA.

[skarlorn]

I like pern some of it wak spooky but hey so r most human beans

[Whirled]

Some years back, I had 2 acquaintances of an old friend steal some CDs from me. I wrecked their faces pretty good but not on any level of your pron stuff. Find real partners & stop tuggin it!!!

[Pokesan]

http://i.imgur.com/wRgpV07.png

You are watching another man have sex with a woman you want.

[AzzarTheGod]

its capitalism deal with it bitch

lmao at the weak cuck capitalist apologists ITT

im carrying all of these whelps on my back

[xtraball]

I like pern some of it wak spooky but hey so r most human beans

[AzzarTheGod]

its capitalism deal with it bitch

lmao at the weak cuck capitalist apologists ITT

im carrying all of these whelps on my back


they call me Captain America