Open Classic Dragons Raid Agreement 2017

[skarlorn]

Open Classic Dragons Raid Agreement 2017

Raid Targets:

Lady Vox
Lord Nagafen

Frequency:

One Lady Vox per month.
One Lord Nagafen per month.

Respawn Timer:

7 days with Variance

Timing the Open Raids:

Since we will know a week in advance exactly when the Dragon's variance will be, each open raid begin during the final hour of the window.

(example: Lady Vox has a window from 12 AM to 4 PM EST, raid will assemble at 3 PM and kill the Dragon ASAP)

Lady Vox will be killed during the First Spawn of the Calendar Month.

Lord Nagafen will be killed during the Third Spawn of the Calendar Month.

(Note: this timing will remain in effect even following repops.)

If, somehow, the Open Raid fails to kill the Designated Dragon on the scheduled day, it will be made available to raid guilds 12 hours after the end of variance. This will give a window of opportunity for the Open Raid to try again but not delay future respawns overmuch.

Duration of Agreement:

6 months, starting from first kill. After that, we will review and, if possible, renew it.

Raid Strategy:

Raid leaders will volunteer in this thread or similar threads preceding the kill. Follow their instructions. If no raid leaders have volunteered, the open raid can still assemble on their own (if the dragon does not die within 12 hours of end of variance, it will become open to private guilds).

Loot rules:

-All loot is open to be rolled upon with a /random 1000
-Only characters level 46-52 may roll on loot from the Designated Dragons

Who Can Participate:

Anyone of appropriate level! Higher levels may appear to help deal with giants, but will not be able to roll on loot. Pro-Raider and Noob alike will be welcomed.

The guilds signed below have read and agreed to this agreement:

[mcoy]

As a non-eligible Cleric I approve this message and offer my services clearing and with buffs / recovery. I hope to see ya'll have a good time! Just remember to apply your beard suppressant!

-Mcoy

[mickmoranis]

The mayor has spoken. Someone must bring order to the realm.

[Pan]

This needs to be in the raid section, eventually. Most stakeholders/capable guilds have signed off already (at least in principle). See here:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279988

The problem with it in the Raid Forum is that some guilds still don't have access to post there, making it difficult.

Looks like a fantastic agreement, Filbus. Happy to support it!

[Sorn]

The Department of Fun is in support of this proposal, though as a non-raiding group of weirdos, we technically have no weight in this agreement. If you see us rollin' in, it'll likely be as pure support.

And for anyone ever in any doubt as to how classic open vox/naggy raids were, check out this archived calendar from my old homies over on Tholuxe Paells! (https://web.archive.org/web/20010614021807/http://www.calendars.net:90/tholuxe_paells)

June 27, 2001 - 8:00p -12:00a Lady Vox - Open raid, hosted by Ronium Valorous

Open raids were in style on my server, along with a certain amount of target sharing. I think the open raids were monthly as well, for each dragon (depending on if anyone was hosting).

[skarlorn]

Btw this was put in Server chat per reasons Cloki outlined and at Llandris's suggestion.

[Swish]

Have Aftermath and Awakened agreed to this? If so, great. If not, well...nice sentiment at least ^^

[Peacocky]

This is the best news ever on p99!.

3pm EST is 9pm GMT over the pond, very nice indeeeeed!.

[titanshub]

Kittens agree! It's always good to see people excited about classic Everquest.

[Whirled]

So when's this happening?

[Pan]

So when's this happening?

Vox could happen as early as the 5th of September (looking at the potential windows).

Question is getting everyone on board - getting that part of it wrapped up. Most stakeholders/capable guilds agreed in principle to the idea in the other thread (linked above).

Sometimes stuff moves like molasses around here, but there's really not any reason that the 5th for Vox is beyond reach.

[Unclebulgaria]

Infernus is happy to abide by this agreement.

Audhe
60 Enchanter
Guild Leader <Infernus>

[Culkasi]

Europa of course supports this initiative

[Daldaen]

<Daldaen'a Pals> agree with this proposal.

I offer my sword in this effort.

[Lhancelot]

For those who never seen a p99 dragon, this could be the vehicle that makes that happen. Selfless and kind of you, thanks dude.

[Erati]

<Daldaen'a Pals> agree with this proposal.

I offer my sword in this effort.

Your fake guild is called <Dald's Pals> bc it has a much better ring to it.

GAH

[dennardscott86]

<Blood Guard> supports this agreement and will be happy to help in Any way my fellow Hairy Foot Warlord.

[Breaken]

Awakened has no problem with this. I will say that 6 months is a long trial period, but if the "open raid" continues to kill these targets, it's not a problem.

What I mean by this is, the point of this agreement is to allow an "open raid" once a month. If random_guild_01 comes and snipes Lord Nagafen from this open raid because he spawned an hour into his window and the open raid won't be setting up for hours, this could be a problem. If it happens more than once, I believe this agreement should be void until we can solve the problem, whether that be notifying the random_guild_01 and getting them on board, or.. I don't know.

Disclaimer: By agreeing to this, Awakened will not be random_guild_01. It was simply an example and not a loophole for us to back out.

[skarlorn]

Agreed Breaken, I think the first step will be publicly shaming any guild who snipes and then going from there.

[Nukehard]

lol

[Razerpaw]

Awakened has no problem with this. I will say that 6 months is a long trial period, but if the "open raid" continues to kill these targets, it's not a problem.

What I mean by this is, the point of this agreement is to allow an "open raid" once a month. If random_guild_01 comes and snipes Lord Nagafen from this open raid because he spawned an hour into his window and the open raid won't be setting up for hours, this could be a problem. If it happens more than once, I believe this agreement should be void until we can solve the problem, whether that be notifying the random_guild_01 and getting them on board, or.. I don't know.

Disclaimer: By agreeing to this, Awakened will not be random_guild_01. It was simply an example and not a loophole for us to back out.

What a strange scenario you've managed to concoct. It almost sounds like you're secretly hoping this doesn't work out so you can maintain pixel rights. I can see why people don't care too much for your guild and why many of your members choose to stay /anon.

[Breaken]

What a strange scenario you've managed to concoct. It almost sounds like you're secretly hoping this doesn't work out so you can maintain pixel rights. I can see why people don't care too much for your guild and why many of your members choose to stay /anon.

It is quite literally the most probable outcome. Maybe you haven't played here before? Try harder to troll. I also believe you are confusing Awakened with Aftermath, as it is Aftermath that is getting the /anon raiders.

[Razerpaw]

It is quite literally the most probable outcome. Maybe you haven't played here before? Try harder to troll. I also believe you are confusing Awakened with Aftermath, as it is Aftermath that is getting the /anon raiders.

My apologies. I did mistake your guild with Aftermath.

[branamil]

Seems like it would be good for the server as a whole. I hope it takes off

[Breaken]

As much as I can appreciate a good Aftermath troll, it is still just that. The likelihood of Lord Nagafen staying up for 15 hours is a small one. However, the more awareness this gets, the larger the chance.

Now, that won't stop a small band of /anon players from sniping it... ;)

[Pan]

The way it's written, they will die at the end of each window. That's when the raid will be scheduled. Part of the deal to kill them quick and keep the cycle moving.

And I'm really thinking that the /anon snipers will show some restraint.

[skarlorn]

Detoxx has already confirmed to me Aftermath doesn't pursue Vox as a target and has also posted in the previous thread:

Aftermath supports this wonderful venture and is open to more in the future!

Let's give people a chance, shall we? After all, it's the Current Year and in the Current Year of Our Lord, Elf Land can be healthier than ever. :)

[Baler]

This is good but kind of sad at the same time. That the whole thing has to go to this kind of extent for it to be made possible.
Grats to the first non-guilded player who wins any loot from nag or vox.

Props to skarlorn for the well worded agreement and pushing the subject.

[Detoxx]

Aftermath fully supports this and wishes you all the best of luck! Please be diligent in posting what week you plan to kill Naggy and Vox so there is no confusion.

I am also willing to help play any role needed for these raids if I'm available and the help is needed.

Good luck!

[azeth]

What a strange scenario you've managed to concoct. It almost sounds like you're secretly hoping this doesn't work out so you can maintain pixel rights. I can see why people don't care too much for your guild and why many of your members choose to stay /anon.

You sir are very green to P99 if you find this scenario "strange"

Green indeed.

[Daldaen]

So if I read this correctly there may be 4AM Wednesday Nagafen kills if the window ends at 5AM? Hope you've got a strong Aussie crew to carry you on those days.

So when is the first one happening? Will be set after next Vox death correct?

[Swish]

OP being in Rustle... is Rustle on board? <3

[Smurflogik]

So if I read this correctly there may be 4AM Wednesday Nagafen kills if the window ends at 5AM?

If the goal of this venture is to get casuals in on dragon raids, wouldn't it make sense to push back the kill time when the window ends in the middle of the night? With the 12 hour grace period after the window ends, it seems like it could be pushed until morning?

Just food for thought. I'm really excited about this multi-partisan effort!

[Pan]

As far as the time goes:

Think there will be questions of favoritism/serving the entire population. (I'd prefer them to be all at 9am eastern, for example, for my schedule and Omni's.)

And then questions about pushing out the spawns further and further.

And this is a 24/7 server. People across all timezones. Your "middle of the night" isn't Hong Kong's or Brisbane's.

So I like the idea of letting the timer determine raid times (rather than the scheduler being the lightning rod for the inevitable flung shit re the times). Doesn't take that many to kill them...so a raid of 24 at an odd hour might be more fun than 100+ during U.S. primetime.

And all of them will have one week's notice. With that much time to plan, people will probably be able to juggle a little. It's not like it's going to be a spur-of-the-moment batphone or something.

[Illsiff]

I would like to thank you for this movement. Being new to p99, and EQ in general, (except for a level 12 Ranger on live in 1999) I find it discouraging to hear the raiding scene is so toxic. Makes for interesting forum talk, but I just want some challenging gameplay and a few pixels!

[Whirled]

I'll check this forum for more updates and could help or join up in some fashion. Thank you for your kindness in making this a thing for the community.

[Detoxx]

So if I read this correctly there may be 4AM Wednesday Nagafen kills if the window ends at 5AM? Hope you've got a strong Aussie crew to carry you on those days.

So when is the first one happening? Will be set after next Vox death correct?

You mean the 3 people it takes to kill Naggy?

[skarlorn]

Aftermath fully supports this and wishes you all the best of luck! Please be diligent in posting what week you plan to kill Naggy and Vox so there is no confusion.

I am also willing to help play any role needed for these raids if I'm available and the help is needed.

Good luck!

Once we finish getting signatures, I'll take the responsibility of informing the forum for each open dragon raid. I'll be seeking volunteer Raid leaders to rep their guild and help the casuals achieve victory. This will actually be quite a good time to make an impression on potential recruits (you never know what sort of degeneracy that first pixel raid will stoke in the hearts of nerds).

My plan is to have Cloki and Omni lead the first two Dragons, and then open each following month up to volunteers :)

And on the topic of time: yes, there will be windows inconvenient for your US casual. But there are Asiatic, Oceanic, and Euro casuals too. Furthermore, this proposal will create enough chances at success that losing a dragon or two to the 12 hour kill window isn't a big deal. Simply put, if the open raid can't organize within that reasonable time, it's unfair to slow down the rotation for all other parties.

[shuklak]

I have not logged into p99 since agnarr but your guys luck may have run out.

[Lhancelot]

My plan is to have Cloki and Omni lead the first two Dragons, and then open each following month up to volunteers :)


This is a great idea. This let's unguilded people shop guilds by seeing how their leaders interact with others on raids.

[Daldaen]

You mean the 3 people it takes to kill Naggy?

I 3-box Nagafen weekly with Warrior, Wizard and Cleric. I agree it's a fun challenge with 3.

But with low geared players on a fear dragon with an AE, plus people having the propensity to train around LDCs and FGs when they don't know how to move through Sol B... I could see this creating issues with a 10-15 man raidforce for a 3AM Wednesday spawn.

But a 50+ man Zerg force all of that is irrelevant, don't really need to play just roll face across keyboard and collect pixels.

[Skew]

51 Rog LFG for off-peak Naggies.

[Smurflogik]

And this is a 24/7 server. People across all timezones. Your "middle of the night" isn't Hong Kong's or Brisbane's.

Well understood. Just wanted to ensure it was considered.

I think this is a great effort towards some unity on the server. Competition is a great thing, but setting it aside (every now and then) for the greater good, is in the best interest of the community's health.

Thanks again to everyone pushing to make this possible!

[Zekayy]

My plan is to have Cloki and Omni lead the first two Dragons, and then open each following month up to volunteers

Lol thats your first mistake right there..... they can barely lead csg between 3 guilds what makes you think they can lead this?


also stop trying to get casuals to get dragons they cant.... you want dragons everyone? cool go on test servers and learn the fuckin fights get the resist gear and try for fte. not hard

[mattydef]

Lol thats your first mistake right there..... they can barely lead csg between 3 guilds what makes you think they can lead this?


also stop trying to get casuals to get dragons they cant.... you want dragons everyone? cool go on test servers and learn the fuckin fights get the resist gear and try for fte. not hard

You might want to talk to your leader, he seems to have a very different opinion about this than you. Unless of course he's just being sarcastic and plans on screwing everything up.

[Mead]

You might want to talk to your leader, he seems to have a very different opinion about this than you. Unless of course he's just being sarcastic and plans on screwing everything up.

Cut him some slack. He has to try and fill the shoes of a legacy of retarded posters. Since Maner jumped ship to TLP, and a lot mostly inactive at this point, they need soldiers to step up. Contradicting their fearless leader in the same thread who agreed on tossing some scraps out is a new one for me though. Good shit. Keep up the good fight.

[Dildy]

Dildy fully supports this.

[Lhancelot]

Lol thats your first mistake right there..... they can barely lead csg between 3 guilds what makes you think they can lead this?


also stop trying to get casuals to get dragons they cant.... you want dragons everyone? cool go on test servers and learn the fuckin fights get the resist gear and try for fte. not hard

You seem to be ignorant of where your own guild and guild leader stands on this topic... and why so much anger and rage? Dude, relax. :confused:

***Why are so many high tier raiders/veterans so high strung and pissy about pixels and everything else?

[kotton05]

I have not logged into p99 since agnarr but your guys luck may have run out.

And no one cares. It's better without you here thanks for helping the conversation.

[Aviann]

You seem to be ignorant of where your own guild and guild leader stands on this topic... and why so much anger and rage? Dude, relax. :confused:

***Why are so many high tier raiders/veterans so high strung and pissy about pixels and everything else?

I believe it originates from years of us putting in effort to actually get what we wanted, and then people coming from nowhere and trying to come up with these agreements that would in turn take away from us and give to those who have put zero effort into getting said pixels aside from typing up a long essay on why it would be a good idea to get more stuff taken away from us.... Everquest was always about competition, and those who say otherwise have never had the enjoyment of the competitive atmosphere of high end raiding during live. I don't know what server you come from, but now you are on P99. If you want to accomplish achieving your desired loadout, you need to chase after it... stop with these rotation clauses, its ridiculous.

Although I think it would be a nice thing to have these open raids, I agree with Zekay. Its just another way to downplay those who have been putting in work... but whatever our leader says, goes.

[skarlorn]

Reminder: this is an agreement for two outdated raid mobs that have no bearing on your NTOV geared toons.

:o

[Aviann]

Reminder: this is an agreement for two outdated raid mobs that have no bearing on your NTOV geared toons.

:o

I'm guessing you haven't seen Nagafen's loot table in a while... Bladestoppers, Prayers, CoF... You also think all of our toons are full ToV gear? Come on man. That takes work and time... Time above all.

[Lemonhead]

Hi Skarlorn,

I have a few thoughts.

1: Will people be able to pass their /ran to another specific person for no drop gear (they could just MQ it of course) I agree not giving it to only bards who will probably mq it for the cash (and you might be get a bard only raid!).

2: There will be a lot of /ran's. Perhaps a roll master should be set up to /log and monitor /ran's as it will be easy to double roll. Also, a nice way to set up /ran's for multiple drops is piece 1: /ran 1111, piece 2: /ran 2222, etc. Roll rules should be clarified for these possible gigantic raids ahead of time.

3: I really like the shame idea, lets set up a UN style monitoring system so every /anon name can be gathered and posted. They can then be heckled at all times. It is really the only way this works, and the power of the people in action. Shame drives human behavior greater than lust, most often. (besides psychopaths of course)


PS It really isn't that much to ask of the raid guilds to give up 2 mobs a month (and you can attend on a schedule and have a chance at the loot, albeit a smaller one) This isn't about the loot, it's about the experience, and it's essentially just a fun server wide event twice a month. Just chill out, come along and have some fun!

[loramin]

Everquest was always about competition, and those who say otherwise have never had the enjoyment of the competitive atmosphere of high end raiding during live.

You had ONE experience on live; don't assume everyone else had the same experience. Take Bristlebane: we had plenty of "competition". We had our top guild Club Fu, their rivals the Arch Overseers, and a few other competitive raiding guilds as well. I wasn't in any of them, but I was friends in real life with like half of Fu (we all played together at a communal gaming center), so I'm nevertheless familiar with what top level raiding was like.

But Bristlebane also had open dragon raids, and as I said before, I led one. Maybe not in the Velious era (ie. two years in), but not long after, and long before year eight (or whatever year we're on here). To "compete" for Vox I went to a webpage somewhere and said "hey, I'd like to kill Vox". I won a roll or something (I forget exactly how the GMs did it, as it's been awhile), and I got a slot on the calendar. When it was my turn I recruited players from all over the server, killed Vox, got zero loot for myself, and had an absolute blast.

That's my 100% classic/live dragon experience. And I don't remember anyone back then whining about how unfair it was that we didn't "compete" for a digital dragon. To be fair, they had Luclin content to distract them, and we don't ... but then again live didn't have six(?) years of Kunark either.

[Triiz]

I believe it originates from years of us putting in effort to actually get what we wanted, and then people coming from nowhere and trying to come up with these agreements that would in turn take away from us and give to those who have put zero effort into getting said pixels aside from typing up a long essay on why it would be a good idea to get more stuff taken away from us....

In half the threads "top guild" members brag about how they don't do shit and get rewarded with pixels, in the other half of threads "top guild" members talk about their "years of effort". At least the first group is being honest that maybe 5% of their guild carries the other 95% and they just show up in response to batphones.

[Aviann]

You had ONE experience on live; don't assume everyone else had the same experience. Take Bristlebane: we had plenty of "competition". We had our top guild Club Fu, their rivals the Arch Overseers, and a few other competitive raiding guilds as well. I wasn't in any of them, but I was friends in real life with like half of Fu (we all played together at a communal gaming center), so I'm nevertheless familiar with what top level raiding was like.

But Bristlebane also had open dragon raids, and as I said before, I led one. Maybe not in the Velious era (ie. two years in), but not long after, and long before year eight (or whatever year we're on here). To "compete" for Vox I went to a webpage somewhere and said "hey, I'd like to kill Vox". I won a roll or something (I forget exactly how the GMs did it, as it's been awhile), and I got a slot on the calendar. When it was my turn I recruited players from all over the server, killed Vox, got zero loot for myself, and had an absolute blast.

That's my 100% classic/live dragon experience. And I don't remember anyone back then whining about how unfair it was that we didn't "compete" for a digital dragon. To be fair, they had Luclin content to distract them, and we don't ... but then again live didn't have six(?) years of Kunark either.

I was on Bristlebane myself inside Ring of Valor, I speak from experience. I know about the open dragon raids but those didn't come about until the midmark of PoP. Know how I know? Because I was the one that put them on. The fact you weren't in a raiding guild is irrelevant, it was still competitive as hell. AO fell rather quickly once PoP came about, Fu stayed pretty constant, but after a while even Circle of Legends fell low... Those competitive guilds that stayed at the top are actually the same ones still there today... that alone is proof that the competitive nature of endgame keeps people interested...

And screw Vox.. so many PURs wiped to that CH. I used to actually do open raids in the planes really often as well when I was leading Morning Star, and that's only because we didn't have the numbers to do it alone.

This is beginning to be a lot like Antifa. So anti-fascist, you become fascist in trying to destroy fascism. People need to quit trying to force rotations on people and play the damn game.

[Evia]

Let's give people a chance, shall we? After all, it's the Current Year. :)

[Zekayy]

You seem to be ignorant of where your own guild and guild leader stands on this topic... and why so much anger and rage? Dude, relax. :confused:

***Why are so many high tier raiders/veterans so high strung and pissy about pixels and everything else?

Because we work hard just like everyone else. we didnt just wake up one day and decide hey were going to go kill these dragons we practiced and practiced and practiced hell p99 had a test server forsaken and rampage went there and did the fights I had a blast doing that. its not my fault your guild doesnt want to compete and want to learn the fights. people say they are hugnry for loot right? well put up or shut up as the saying goes. we didnt just wake up and instantly become gods at racing and fte. nobody is upset at for you wanting dragons..... but you cant do it unless you try or go crying on these forums like the OP

You might want to talk to your leader, he seems to have a very different opinion about this than you. Unless of course he's just being sarcastic and plans on screwing everything up.

I guess you werent there when everything was rotated before when either aftermath or awakened gets suspended something always happens break the rotations or leave very little to the little guy...... Detoxx wasnt being sarcastic at all I know how he feels about the situation...... and thats fine

Cut him some slack. He has to try and fill the shoes of a legacy of retarded posters. Since Maner jumped ship to TLP, and a lot mostly inactive at this point, they need soldiers to step up. Contradicting their fearless leader in the same thread who agreed on tossing some scraps out is a new one for me though. Good shit. Keep up the good fight.

actually no I hardly log on these forums anymore or even in general....... I didnt even know maner left. last time I was on was june...... dick my grandma passed away you wanna know from what? cancer.

[zodium]

I attended open Naggy/Vox raids on Xegony as early as Kunark (edit: or early Velious, maybe), and they worked very well. It was very exciting to see my first dragon and eventually get my feet wet leading a bit! I hope it will work well here too. :o

[loramin]

I was on Bristlebane myself inside Ring of Valor, I speak from experience. I know about the open dragon raids but those didn't come about until the midmark of PoP. Know how I know? Because I was the one that put them on. The fact you weren't in a raiding guild is irrelevant, it was still competitive as hell. AO fell rather quickly once PoP came about, Fu stayed pretty constant, but after a while even Circle of Legends fell low... Those competitive guilds that stayed at the top are actually the same ones still there today... that alone is proof that the competitive nature of endgame keeps people interested...

And screw Vox.. so many PURs wiped to that CH. I used to actually do open raids in the planes really often as well when I was leading Morning Star, and that's only because we didn't have the numbers to do it alone.

This is beginning to be a lot like Antifa. So anti-fascist, you become fascist in trying to destroy fascism. People need to quit trying to force rotations on people and play the damn game.

I honestly don't remember when exactly when my Vox raid was (I was in college, and lots of pot was involved), so let's say it was in PoP (10/2002- 2/2003). EQ was released in March of 1999, which means there were open Vox raids on Bristlebane less than four 4 years after release.

P99 was released in October of 2009. Even if we imagine that Vox wasn't around until the next year that's still seven years that Vox has been killed on this server. In other words, it's taken about twice as long here before we got open dragon raids as it took on Bristlebane.

And that was just on Bristlebane ...

My first raid on live was an open naggy raid (http://imgur.com/a/c1vkh) shortly after velious release

http://imgur.com/oZiuJ09

notice in the 4th picture: sonic bat begins to cast a spell

So look, I'm not saying top guilds never monopolized the dragons on live: clearly they did. But just as clearly, not all servers were the same: Bristlebane didn't have open raids until PoP while planarity's server had them in Velious. If we tried hard enough we could probably find a server where they started in Luclin.

Open dragon raids are classic. They happened on some servers during the classic period on live, and even if they didn't on other servers, they certainly happened a lot faster than seven years after release.

[Zekayy]

I honestly don't remember when exactly when my Vox raid was (I was in college, and lots of pot was involved), so let's say it was in PoP (10/2002- 2/2003). EQ was released in March of 1999, which means there were open Vox raids on Bristlebane less than four 4 years after release.

P99 was released in October of 2009. Even if we imagine that Vox wasn't around until the next year that's still seven years that Vox has been killed on this server. In other words, it's taken about twice as long here before we got open dragon raids as it took on Bristlebane.

And that was just on Bristlebane ...



So look, I'm not saying top guilds never monopolized the dragons on live: clearly they did. But just as clearly, not all servers were the same: Bristlebane didn't have open raids until PoP while planarity's server had them in Velious. If we tried hard enough we could probably find a server where they started in Luclin.

Open dragon raids are classic. They happened on some servers during the classic period on live, and even if they didn't on other servers, they certainly happened a lot faster than seven years after release.

Luclin/pop is not classic

[Nukehard]

It was also classic for a force of 4-6 to swoop in and snipe a dragon, happened on Bristlebane all the time.

[loramin]

Luclin/pop is not classic

My first raid on live was an open naggy raid (http://imgur.com/a/c1vkh) shortly after velious release

[loramin]

It was also classic for a force of 4-6 to swoop in and snipe a dragon, happened on Bristlebane all the time.

Honestly I never heard of that: not only did it not happen on my raid, but it wasn't even something that I was worried could happen. Since the rotation was GM-enforced I'd imagine anyone doing that would have gotten a ban ... but one should never underestimate the things neckbeards will do, so I can't say for certain that it never happened.

[Swish]

Lol thats your first mistake right there..... they can barely lead csg between 3 guilds what makes you think they can lead this?


also stop trying to get casuals to get dragons they cant.... you want dragons everyone? cool go on test servers and learn the fuckin fights get the resist gear and try for fte. not hard

How do people learn fights if the encounters they want to do are dead all the time? Shouldn't have to learn on a different server.

Sharing is caring, and not sharing = -population, no new croots for you guys, etc

Didn't think Aftermath would be salty about a Naggy/Vox agreement...as someone said it's not your TOV dragons on the line at all.

PS - rip your nan, cancer sucks

[Aviann]

Didn't think Aftermath would be salty about a Naggy/Vox agreement...as someone said it's not your TOV dragons on the line at all.

Last I checked, nobody liked being forced to adhere to rules that go against them... especially for guilds that don't put in the effort to get free shit.

[Swish]

Last I checked, nobody liked being forced to adhere to rules that go against them... especially for guilds that don't put in the effort to get free shit.

We're talking about 1 Naggy and 1 Vox per month.

"casual guilds don't deserve that because they don't put the effort in"

Really? How about the point of P99 in the first place... reliving your 1999 experience, getting some nostalgia, fighting a dragon you haven't seen in game in 18 years.

Are you saying there's a shortage in raid targets that the big hitters can do?

[Convict]

why are there so many clown forumquesters in aftermath?

dont see a single awakened player crying about this agreement or casuals getting "free pixels" only aftermath posters

[danzig]

Six pages in and someone starts talking about fascism. Some of you guys are so wack.

Sounds fun! Good idea bud, if I'm not working I'll come do bad bad things to Vox on my alt.

[pogs4ever]

Rathe server had rotations. It was the best.

[Zekayy]

How do people learn fights if the encounters they want to do are dead all the time? Shouldn't have to learn on a different server.

Sharing is caring, and not sharing = -population, no new croots for you guys, etc

Didn't think Aftermath would be salty about a Naggy/Vox agreement...as someone said it's not your TOV dragons on the line at all.

PS - rip your nan, cancer sucks

Why not shish? we learned on the p99 test server even before velious dropped. and even on other servers all the fights are the same and you can come with your own strats and figure out how you want to do things :)

We arent salty at all. I said in my post that we dont mind yall wanting dragons. but we also learned as well hell when I first joined forsaken I didnt know any of the fights I thought you could slow a dragon from far away didnt know you had to be under its belly the things you learn :)

also PS thank you very much swish that means alot.

Edit I see where your coming from but history repeats itself people on p99 dont share they get greedy then break agreements mark my words this wont last long.

[Swish]

You know a casual setup isn't going to beat you in a race for Naggy/Vox, so I suppose its easy to say these things.

I understand history repeating and people leaning on A/A to give up more and more if these are successful, but right now I think it would be a nice show of respect for up and coming players who want to try these raids but can't.

If you don't look after the new players who are coming back to play, they're not going to suggest to their like minded pals to come and play here because it's the end game is completely sealed off unless they are either part-time employed or unemployed.

Of course, they can go to the Daybreak servers and do things there... but that's not the same, and P99 needs fresh blood to keep going. The proposition is just 1 of each per month, the rest are whoever else's. Everyone loves WR bags etc I know, but still...its a small concession that would give the server a better community feel.

[Zekayy]

You know a casual setup isn't going to beat you in a race for Naggy/Vox, so I suppose its easy to say these things.

I understand history repeating and people leaning on A/A to give up more and more if these are successful, but right now I think it would be a nice show of respect for up and coming players who want to try these raids but can't.

If you don't look after the new players who are coming back to play, they're not going to suggest to their like minded pals to come and play here because it's the end game is completely sealed off unless they are either part-time employed or unemployed.

Of course, they can go to the Daybreak servers and do things there... but that's not the same, and P99 needs fresh blood to keep going. The proposition is just 1 of each per month, the rest are whoever else's. Everyone loves WR bags etc I know, but still...its a small concession that would give the server a better community feel.

I hear ya man.... but I wasnt talking about daybreak games servers theres plenty of eqemu servers that are very similar to p99 raiding wise and hell even on the eqemu website you can make your own. theres a few people used to do that also I was refering to the p99 test server that it had in 2015/2016 was awesome thats what we did. :)

[skarlorn]

Hi Skarlorn,

I have a few thoughts.

1: Will people be able to pass their /ran to another specific person for no drop gear (they could just MQ it of course) I agree not giving it to only bards who will probably mq it for the cash (and you might be get a bard only raid!).



If you win an item it's yours. Do whatever you want with it.

[Mead]

why are there so many clown forumquesters in aftermath?

dont see a single awakened player crying about this agreement or casuals getting "free pixels" only aftermath posters

Heh it's been like this since the TMO days. I'm sure someone can break down why they attract a certain type of individual. I would prefer not to do it here though. I like the movement. I hope this actually works out for the casuals. A lot of good spirited stuff has been happening lately. Makes me actually want to login and help out since I could give two shits about droppables to sell.

[schnickusaurus]

Red Dragon Scales headed for 50k. Im so glad i bought it for 4k

[Dreenk317]

Red Dragon Scales headed for 50k. Im so glad i bought it for 4k

Yup, now that there are more mobs than ever dropping them. The price is bound to increase, because apparently that's how economics work in your head. Now take your crap out of this thread unless you have something actually on topic to post please.

[Axlrose]

I remember those pick-up raid groups on Bristlebroken!

My bard helped slaughter Lord Nagafen twice yet got slaughtered by Lady Vox five times. I would not mind trying again someday here - once I get to level again.

[Aviann]

I remember those pick-up raid groups on Bristlebroken!

My bard helped slaughter Lord Nagafen twice yet got slaughtered by Lady Vox five times. I would not mind trying again someday here - once I get to level again.

Vox was such a pain back in the day... soon as that CH goes off, its so disheartening!

[Dreenk317]

why are there so many clown forumquesters in aftermath?

dont see a single awakened player crying about this agreement or casuals getting "free pixels" only aftermath posters

Because.... afteRMaTh

[Dildy]

Lady Vox first open raid starting this week?

[Pan]

Likely around the fifth. That will be the first Vox of the calendar month.

[mattydef]

Holy shit, I'd love to meet some of these AA players IRL. They take video gaming to a whole new level. Can you imagine having an actual conversation with some of these guys? I can picture this Avian guy trying to explain to someone with a straight face how serious it is to kill dragons on an emulated 1999 video game. There's no way any of these guys have a healthy social life, and that assumption is based on how genuinely angry they get at others having the audacity to even think they can take their hard earned dwagons.

[Lhancelot]

Holy shit, I'd love to meet some of these AA players IRL. They take video gaming to a whole new level. Can you imagine having an actual conversation with some of these guys? I can picture this Avian guy trying to explain to someone with a straight face how serious it is to kill dragons on an emulated 1999 video game. There's no way any of these guys have a healthy social life, and that assumption is based on how genuinely angry they get at others having the audacity to even think they can take their hard earned dwagons.

You read my mind and typed it out. :D

[skarlorn]

Please keep your flaming to a minimum, or take it to a more intense degree over in RNF.

[Fifield]

Holy shit, I'd love to meet some of these AA players IRL. They take video gaming to a whole new level. Can you imagine having an actual conversation with some of these guys? I can picture this Avian guy trying to explain to someone with a straight face how serious it is to kill dragons on an emulated 1999 video game. There's no way any of these guys have a healthy social life, and that assumption is based on how genuinely angry they get at others having the audacity to even think they can take their hard earned dwagons.

Were pretty normal dudes, not all, but most of us :p

[skarlorn]

Were pretty normal dudes, not all, but most of us :p

qft

Don't let the strange minority confuse you, pals.

[Zekayy]

Were pretty normal dudes, not all, but most of us :p

Truth we all hangout and have beers just like the rest of you.

[Rabitz]

Thanks Filbus for your time in orchestrating this, it sounds like a great idea and I am happy to help when the time comes if I can be available however possible.

Reminder: this is an agreement for two outdated raid mobs that have no bearing on your NTOV geared toons.

/thread

The more I play this game, the more I realize how to some "having fun" while playing a retro video game means becoming triggered at the mere prospect of missing out on 2 mobs per month when you aren't even playing anymore.

For those who are threatened by this proposition, perhaps it will be easier to swallow if it's viewed as a consolation prize rather than a handicap. You did it, you've won- I mean that sincerely. Now let the understudies take the stage for 2 shows out of the month. It is not fair, it is not "may the best man win," but it is human.

[Lhancelot]

It is not fair, it is not "may the best man win," but it is human.

This sounds like something a wise politician would say. I like it though, don't get me wrong. :)

[skarlorn]

In other news: I believe most guilds who kill these dragons have signed on. Snackies said he would check it out after returning from a work trip early this week and I'm hoping for the best.

Meanwhile, I think it's safe for us to go ahead and start planning the first open Vox raid.

A nice person just sent me Vox ToD

"Lady Vox was just killed at 9:16 CST tonight Aug 28."

So the spawn window in a week will be September 3rd from 1:16 PM CST to 5:16 AM CST. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Cloki, are you up for leading this?

[Pan]

4am my time for window end. But I just got done saying it's a 24/7 server...so yes. I'll do it.

Let's start the raid at 6:00 a.m. US eastern.

If you want to participate and don't have a toon of the right level, higher-level toons are welcome to come in support.

This is going to be the first one, so it will be much like the pilot episode of a TV series. Kinks to work out, roles to define, etc., so I'll pre-ask for patience and for everyone to follow instructions.

And tho these dragons can be killed with low numbers, they're no joke, either - lots that can go wrong including floor traps, aggroing more giants than we need, Vox casting a successful Complete Heal, etc.

Should probably make a new thread about it.

For those of you participating, this fight is about two things:

1. Not getting feared. That means that you should have MR in every slot that you can have it in. No amount of MR is too much MR for this fight. If you're perma-feared, you're more of a liability than an asset.

Jewelers can make MR bracelets, neck, and rings. That's kind of a baseline minimum so see if you can find those. Also see if you can get a "Greater Null" potion from a shaman. That's great additional MR.

2. Vox tries to complete heal. And there's really no reason to have to kill her several times (effectively) until she's OOM.

The way we counter her healing is to push from the SAME SIDE with fast weapons (no 2h weaps on Vox, please) to interrupt her casts. I'll explain this more day-of, but it's a thing. A key to victory.

I'm excited for this. Thanks to all who are making this possible. I think a lot of people will have a lot of fun with these two dragons.

[Swish]

If there's a JC'er out there that'll do some cheap MR items at cost, that would really help.

Sadly my JCer is on red, but I will say you can knock out some +7 MR bracers for under 50pp and a necklace for just over 100pp so there's no excuses unless you're struggling to find someone to make them for you.

...and yes obviously there's better items out there than those, but some people who just made 49-52 on their first character have to start somewhere and at least they can say they've put some effort in with it :p

[pogs4ever]

pras, cloki and filbus

[skarlorn]

Thank you, Cloki!!

And thanks to everyone who has signed on or supported this in some way. I got a couple of messages from people regarding the Vox window, which was super helpful.

It's amazing to see the server grow like this. :)

[Sorn]

4am my time for window end. But I just got done saying it's a 24/7 server...so yes. I'll do it.

Godspeed, Cloki, you fabulous lizard you.

[Pan]

All the credit for this initiative goes to Filbus. 100pct of it.

Crossing my fingers that it becomes a "thing" on the server for a long, long time to come.

[skarlorn]

Actually, credit goes to every single raid guild that supports this endeavor :)

In the long run, I hope to be a relatively minor player in this lol

[Frysk]

Just adding my thanks to the chorus of support for this venture. This is wonderful. I've always wanted to participate in a naggy/vox raid and assumed I wouldn't be able to, not being in a guild (or having capacity to join one). My 52 bard will join when possible, and good luck to everyone able to make the inaugural open raid.

It would be really cool to see a basic guide for the events for raid newbs, including things like party composition, chat controls, tactics, gear, commands, roll rules. I for one know very little of raiding.

It'd also be great to see some footage of the first Vox raid. Sadly I won't be able to make it.

[Xzavie]

We're talking about 1 Naggy and 1 Vox per month.

"casual guilds don't deserve that because they don't put the effort in"

Really? How about the point of P99 in the first place... reliving your 1999 experience, getting some nostalgia, fighting a dragon you haven't seen in game in 18 years.

Are you saying there's a shortage in raid targets that the big hitters can do?

When Swish is the voice of reason, things are pretty F'd up.

This server is AIDS and full of toxic, greedy players. You all 'ubers' really can't let loose of one classic era dragon kill per month? Y'all need jobs or counselors or something.

[Whirled]

This a thing yet or just a thread of "what if this happened..."?

[Pyrocat]

This a thing yet or just a thread of "what if this happened..."?

.

4am my time for window end. But I just got done saying it's a 24/7 server...so yes. I'll do it.

Let's start the raid at 6:00 a.m. US eastern.

If you want to participate and don't have a toon of the right level, higher-level toons are welcome to come in support.

This is going to be the first one, so it will be much like the pilot episode of a TV series. Kinks to work out, roles to define, etc., so I'll pre-ask for patience and for everyone to follow instructions.

And tho these dragons can be killed with low numbers, they're no joke, either - lots that can go wrong including floor traps, aggroing more giants than we need, Vox casting a successful Complete Heal, etc.

Should probably make a new thread about it.

For those of you participating, this fight is about two things:

1. Not getting feared. That means that you should have MR in every slot that you can have it in. No amount of MR is too much MR for this fight. If you're perma-feared, you're more of a liability than an asset.

Jewelers can make MR bracelets, neck, and rings. That's kind of a baseline minimum so see if you can find those. Also see if you can get a "Greater Null" potion from a shaman. That's great additional MR.

2. Vox tries to complete heal. And there's really no reason to have to kill her several times (effectively) until she's OOM.

The way we counter her healing is to push from the SAME SIDE with fast weapons (no 2h weaps on Vox, please) to interrupt her casts. I'll explain this more day-of, but it's a thing. A key to victory.

I'm excited for this. Thanks to all who are making this possible. I think a lot of people will have a lot of fun with these two dragons.

[Pan]

6:00 a.m. US eastern on 4th Sept for Vox.

Inaugural thing. Was hoping someone (Filbus??) would make a thread. I'll make one this evening when I get a minute if it doesn't happen between now and then.

[skarlorn]

Can do

[Evia]

It would be really cool to see a basic guide for the events for raid newbs, including things like party composition, chat controls, tactics, gear, commands, roll rules. I for one know very little of raiding.


This is a great suggestion. It's often assumed players know how things operate on raids, when often times they don't. Simply explaining the steps and the process can often times turn a player you view as weak, into a real power house. Communication is key.