xp penalty in groups

[milo2689]

Some people say that a class with an xp penalty effects the whole groups experience and others say it does not. Which is it? If an xp penalty effects the entire groups xp. Would a Hafling rogue's bonus add too the groups experience?

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

it does. 5% per hybrid or something.

[milo2689]

Is that 5% consistent with a full group compared to if I was going to duo with a hybrid? As well does the classes with bonus experience contribute to eradicate the xp penalty given from a hybrid when grouped?

[phantom]

I believe it works like this: if you were to 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6-box all the way from lvl 1, all characters would level together, even though they take different amounts of exp per level. So yes, a troll SK is going to take proportionately more exp than a halfling warrior in a group, because they have to in order to keep up.

[letsdance]

a troll SK needs almost double as much exp as a halfling warrior - like 170 % (rounded) compared to 90 %. this assumes they are the same level. further assuming that everyone else gets average exp (100 %) that means the total exp for everyone else would be 100/590 (17 %) instead of 100/670 (15 %) of the total exp that the group generate. 17 is about 15 % higher than 15. of course we also have to assume that the group is killing exactly the same mobs in the same time.

the conclusion is, that under all these assumptions, your personal exp is about 15 % higher if your group has a halfling warrior instead of a troll SK.

if the group is smaller, lets say 3 persons, the impact is of course much higher. in this case its about 30 % for you personally. in smaller groups the higher versatility of the troll SK will likely increase your killed mobs/time. but usually this increase will be less than 30 %...

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

If only someone would compile a list of Frequently Asked Questions to help out the new players...

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1002

[Dr4z3r]

it does. 5% per hybrid or something.

If you don't know what the hell is going on, DON'T POST WILD GUESSES FFS.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

If you don't know what the hell is going on, DON'T POST WILD GUESSES FFS.

I guess it looked like a wild guess.... BUT! If you take the trouble to do the math, in a 6 person group with all equal level members, (yes the xp division is based on gross xp of individual members, which shifts a bit based on class/race), each time you replace a non-hybrid with a hybrid (who basically just has 40% more points then the non-hybrids) you are looking at a "5% or something" reduction in overall xp for the others. Can't be more precise than that really because all groups are different. It's a guideline, not a wild guess. Sorry to make it seem that way.

[karsten]

If only someone would compile a list of Frequently Asked Questions to help out the new players...

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1002

also many hybrids bring plusses to groups that are not quantifiable and as such, if you actually care about xp penalties you are either a retard or an asshole, probably both

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

also many hybrids bring plusses to groups that are not quantifiable and as such, if you actually care about xp penalties you are either a retard or an asshole, probably both

Said the paladin.

[Extunarian]

also many hybrids bring plusses to groups that are not quantifiable and as such, if you actually care about xp penalties you are either a retard or an asshole, probably both

So true. Your average, mid-level xp group is going to be a lot more efficient when an SK or pally is keeping those mobs off the healers and casters, as opposed to some warrior uselessly slapping everything in sight while they furrow their brow in a vain attempt to understand the situation.

Oh...and rangers are also totally worth the xp penalty because who doesn't need feet like cat?

[karsten]

Said the paladin.

yeah takes one to know one, PAL

[YendorLootmonkey]

So true. Your average, mid-level xp group is going to be a lot more efficient when an SK or pally is keeping those mobs off the healers and casters, as opposed to some warrior uselessly slapping everything in sight while they furrow their brow in a vain attempt to understand the situation.

Oh...and rangers are also totally worth the xp penalty because who doesn't need feet like cat?

Kerrans.

[Akame]

So true. Your average, mid-level xp group is going to be a lot more efficient when an SK or pally is keeping those mobs off the healers and casters, as opposed to some warrior uselessly slapping everything in sight while they furrow their brow in a vain attempt to understand the situation.


Group with better warriors.

[skipdog]

Group with better twinked warriors.

FTFY

[DevGrousis]

So true. Your average, mid-level xp group is going to be a lot more efficient when an SK or pally is keeping those mobs off the healers and casters, as opposed to some warrior uselessly slapping everything in sight while they furrow their brow in a vain attempt to understand the situation.

woaaa what a classist

[milo2689]

also says the weird white guy who moved to germany...... DUN DUN DUN DUN

[Mcbard]

also many hybrids bring plusses to groups that are not quantifiable and as such, if you actually care about xp penalties you are either a retard or an asshole, probably both

I like you.

[Shamalam]

Why has nobody linked this thread yet? http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24405

Best explanation I've ever read. It would seem to suggest that having a hybrid in group should NOT lower the exp gain for everyone else. The ONLY thing the game cares about when it splits up the exp from a kill is the TOTAL AMOUNT of experience each member has accumulated since level 1. Obviously, at the same amount of total xp earned, a hybrid will be a lower level than a normal non-penalized class, but they will still get the same amount of exp per kill.

Here are two duo scenarios to explain further:

Scenario 1: two non-penalized classes of the same race with the same amount of exp are killing shit together. They each get equal amounts of exp per kill and will stay the same level forever.

Scenario 2: a troll SK is grouped with a human druid and they currently have the same amount of total exp earned. The troll needs 68% more xp per level than the druid, so as it is now the druid is a level or two (maybe more) higher than the SK. They STILL get equal amount of exp per kill even though the troll has innate penalties and the druid is a couple levels higher, because they still have the same amount of TOTAL EXP. This means it takes the SK longer to level up than the druid but they will always have equal xp totals and get the same amount for every kill.

TLDR; Having a hybrid is your group is only going to significantly affect your exp gain if they have significantly more exp than you and thus are taking a bigger slice of the exp pie. Keep in mind that hybrids (especially troll SKs) can have MORE EXP than you even if they are 1-2 levels below you.

This is how I understand it at least, feel free to correct me if this is totally wrong.

[Sephrana]

also many hybrids bring plusses to groups that are not quantifiable and as such, if you actually care about xp penalties you are either a retard or an asshole, probably both

^^^This....

ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY (AHEM) who wouldn't want a Bard in their group? Well....an awake bard ;)


Sephrana - level 34 bard :P

[CanadianTSi]

A Hybrid will take a bigger slice of the "Pie" therefore there is less left over for everyone else.

Why has nobody linked this thread yet? http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24405

Best explanation I've ever read. It would seem to suggest that having a hybrid in group should NOT lower the exp gain for everyone else. The ONLY thing the game cares about when it splits up the exp from a kill is the TOTAL AMOUNT of experience each member has accumulated since level 1. Obviously, at the same amount of total xp earned, a hybrid will be a lower level than a normal non-penalized class, but they will still get the same amount of exp per kill.

Here are two duo scenarios to explain further:

Scenario 1: two non-penalized classes of the same race with the same amount of exp are killing shit together. They each get equal amounts of exp per kill and will stay the same level forever.

Scenario 2: a troll SK is grouped with a human druid and they currently have the same amount of total exp earned. The troll needs 68% more xp per level than the druid, so as it is now the druid is a level or two (maybe more) higher than the SK. They STILL get equal amount of exp per kill even though the troll has innate penalties and the druid is a couple levels higher, because they still have the same amount of TOTAL EXP. This means it takes the SK longer to level up than the druid but they will always have equal xp totals and get the same amount for every kill.

TLDR; Having a hybrid is your group is only going to significantly affect your exp gain if they have significantly more exp than you and thus are taking a bigger slice of the exp pie. Keep in mind that hybrids (especially troll SKs) can have MORE EXP than you even if they are 1-2 levels below you.

This is how I understand it at least, feel free to correct me if this is totally wrong.

[Shamalam]

A Hybrid will take a bigger slice of the "Pie" therefore there is less left over for everyone else.

Read my post again... the only thing the game checks when determining how much 'pie' to give everyone is the amount of total exp each member has earned so far. The more exp you have relative to your other group members, the more you will get from each kill. A hybrid will only take a bigger slice of 'pie' if they have more total exp than the other members (even if they are a lower level, because they needed more exp to get to that point).

If hybrids took a bigger slice of 'pie' just for being hybrids and regardless of exp totals, they wouldn't really have an exp penalty, would they?

[CanadianTSi]

This will always be the case unless they are substantially lower level than you.

A hybrid will only take a bigger slice of 'pie' if they have more total exp than the other members (even if they are a lower level, because they needed more exp to get to that point).

[Shamalam]

I see what you mean now. I didn't really consider that an equal level hybrid has much more total exp than a non-hybrid... my sober self was looking at it the other way around (equal exp but lower level). Carry on >_>