It's Time to Start Allowing for Open Naggy/Vox Raids (open letter to Raiders)

[skarlorn]

Hey leadership of Raid Guilds,

I have a question... do you remember that awesome feeling the first time you killed a dragon on p99? I sure do. My first dragon encounter was Lord Nagafen, and I failed utterly as a tank. But, my heart beat in my mouth and I made my girlfriend call me a big-footed dragonfighting halfling that night.

Now, what if I told you there are hundreds of players who have yet to experience that exhilaration... the ability to get a nostalgia boner as they rush to their deaths against Naggy or Vox? And that YOU could be directly responsible for letting a bunch of real life humans re-experience that dream?

It's the Current Year, and Naggy and Vox are still permafarmed.

The server has been around for a long, long time. You've gotten all the pixels many times over. And soon, it will be the Year After the Current Year.

It's time to start allowing for the casual peasantry to do open Naggy/Vox raids.

Before you re-act with vitriol and rage and shitpost at me with the bitter taste of adrenaline riding high in your mouth, claiming "FTE IS CLASSIC" "GET GOOD" or even "JOIN US," let's all take a breath. Consider this:

Open Raids Are Classic.

Naggy/Vox Pixels are good, but not great

You will feel Good when you see dozens of people rejoicing because you helped them experience joy

It's the Current Year

As we can see, guilds like Veloci Shift and even Paradox are quite capable of leading Open Raids that benefit the public just as much as themselves.

All I'm asking is that you really consider this possibility: Let one Naggy or Vox per month stay untouched. You can create an agreement in the Raid Discussion forum or something.

All it costs is one Naggy, or one Vox per month. That's what? One in four you don't immediately kill? Let it stay up for a day so that the casual hordes can assemble after work hours and kill it. You can even participate and help! You can even roll on the loot!

I've had the privilege of raiding some with Aftermath. I know some of the leadership in Awakened. You're good people who are great at managing elf-simulating nerds; you already enjoy serving and feel good when others get pixels... so it's time to extend that embrace to the server at large.

Gone are the days of the crazed fanaticism. TMO perished; IB RMT'd, BDA is dead and Chest is gone. I think that if you read this and really consider, you will agree that it's time to start allowing a little leeway for open raids to experience the lowest end dragons that Norrath has to offer.

We can actually create a server that we're proud of, where top-guilds eat all the VP and NTOV loot but allow for a smidgeon of exciting, dragon-fighting experience to the lesser denizens of Norrath. You don't have to adhere to the rules of the past.

Thank you for reading, I hope you (the leadership) will respond here so that we can begin creating an accord which will benefit the World at large.

Signed,
Filbus Furyfoot

Ex-Dragon Raider
Protector of Rivervale
Leader of the Rivervale Vanguard
Lord of the Misty Thicket
Slayer of Llandris

[Lhancelot]

It's a great idea and kudos to you for planting this seed of thought on the forums.

I actually never killed one dragon on p99, ever.

For those who would like to and simply are too casual to have ever had such a chance, I hope this thread serves as a vehicle to make it happen!

[Daldaen]

If you agree to let any Bladestoppers and Rez Sticks that drop from these dragons to be rolled off by exclusively A/A members in attendance perhaps you will get a deal.

But a Bladestopper is probably the most valuable single item to drop from the raid scene on P99 right now due to the lack of proximity hate bonus code and the fact that zone pulls are still allowed for most content. I can't imagine they'd want to pass one up voluntarily.

Alternatively - Agnarr Server for your desired casual raiding experience. Until Sirken and Rogean hand off the reigns of the server to someone who favors casual raiding rules, you won't get much official support for casual raiding.

[Nibblewitz]

someone help Filbus get a Gold-Plated Koshigatana so he can finally retire

[Dreenk317]

I think this is a great idea, and would support the 1x a month open naggy/Vox. If the A/A can't pass up the shot at a bladestopper, let them come and /random with the rest. Hell they could show there fancy deleveled 52's and take attempts at small manning them. Make a whole event day of it. Would be great for server morale, even if it was impossible to get them to go for once a month, at least once every two months, can we not agree on that? One in eight so the server can shine a little brighter? And the masses can truly feel that nostalgia of classic EQ?

[Pokesan]

If you agree to let any Bladestoppers and Rez Sticks that drop from these dragons to be rolled off by exclusively A/A members in attendance perhaps you will get a deal.



on red this was concept was called the "cuck tax"

[Dildy]

I've been wanting to join a Naggy/Vox raid, but it seems like these are near perma-camped by whichever guilds kill squad logs in first. It would be a fun experience to have a scheduled Vox/Naggy once a month or even every other month...

[nyclin]

not classic, move to resolved

[Naethyn]

I'd go to this.

[Rygar]

I remember on Live my 52 warrior was randomly recruited with a tell saying, "Come join my open Nagafen raid!". I do remember that exhilarating rush you were talking about when we finally charged in and I laid eyes for the first time on Naggy.

In my ignorance after coming to P99, I thought to myself, "Once I reach level 50, I'll hold off on leveling for a while so I can attend some Naggy / Vox raids (meaning open raids) and maybe get lucky on some loot. I can work on my epic in the meantime". Then I learned about having a level 52 alt to just log in for these raids with guilds that track the spawn (NOTE: I fully realize AG is a major contributor to this).

I think persuading folks to leave a Vox is going to be very difficult as there are many bards waiting on that white scale for their epic. Nagafen would be an easier first step in my opinion.

Matter of fact, when I did that open Naggy raid on live, the raid hosts advertised that Cloak of Flames was reserved, rest was open roll. So maybe to dip the toes in the water can reserve a particular coveted item to the host and see how it goes (in exchange they can give instructions to raiders to be successful, higher level buffs, trash clear / ports, help recruit and organize, etc).

I tip my hat to you Filbus, I like that you want to make Norrath a better place (also helps that you have the credentials of being on both sides of the raid scene).

[branamil]

You can basically 5 or 10 man naggy now. Not sure how it would be fun for the casual raiders to watch five core raiders actually kill it, while they watch on the sidelines useless for 30 seconds until it dies. Or they die because they don't have any resist gear.

[shuklak]

Got a hand full of kills on agnarr. Very fun when you first do it!

[Rygar]

You can basically 5 or 10 man naggy now. Not sure how it would be fun for the casual raiders to watch five core raiders actually kill it, while they watch on the sidelines useless for 30 seconds until it dies. Or they die because they don't have any resist gear.

I'm not so knowledgeable on the low man strategies, but I'm guessing those 5-10 man squads have epics, Velious armors, 255 MR, etc.

I think Skarlorn is targetting the true noobs of the server that are just building toons from rags, or unguilded min-max casuals.

[Invalid_Bard]

Oh for the live of pixels!

[Dreenk317]

I'm not so knowledgeable on the low man strategies, but I'm guessing those 5-10 man squads have epics, Velious armors, 255 MR, etc.

I think Skarlorn is targetting the true noobs of the server that are just building toons from rags, or unguilded min-max casuals.

He was referencing my comment about letting the superbgeared A/A kill squads try to small man it, and turning it into an event. But I didn't mean let A/A start the show. First you let the two groups of lvl 40's give it a shot, then the crazy monk that brought a lot of wort pots and thinks he's hokushin, then the bard that swears he has enough room to kite it, etc. Let people have some dang fun.

[skarlorn]

If you agree to let any Bladestoppers and Rez Sticks that drop from these dragons to be rolled off by exclusively A/A members in attendance perhaps you will get a deal.

Honestly, I think this is a pretty fair starting point! Noobs don't really have much use for those items.

And this has nothing to do with Rustle. I don't really raid; I don't even have a naggy/vox alt.

It just seems like the time is right for this :)

Hoping more raiders come in and comment!

[skarlorn]

You can basically 5 or 10 man naggy now. Not sure how it would be fun for the casual raiders to watch five core raiders actually kill it, while they watch on the sidelines useless for 30 seconds until it dies. Or they die because they don't have any resist gear.

This is not to set up a chance for elite 5 to 10 man forces. There would be an organization set up around some guild willing to run it and everyone who wants to show up could show up. I remember seeing a Vox raid back in '00 with several guilds, like a whole army of elves in the staging area... was truly beautiful!

[Daldaen]

I have a 52 Warrior, 52 Paladin and 50 Bard friend. Let me know when you get A/A on board with this and I will lead some excellent Nagafen/Vox raids for you.

[loramin]

On the Bristlebane server Nagafen/Vox had a list that guilds could use to "reserve" the dragons. Because it was GM-enforced no one guild could take all the dragon kills; they had to share.

I got the (small family) guild I was in on the Vox list once, waited patiently, and then led a pick-up raid. I think it was in the late Luclin era, so it was totally possible to kill Vox with a small force (and I'm sure the top guilds would do it that way on their turn), but we just grabbed as many people as we could find and swarmed. It was one of the most fun EverQuest experiences I ever had ... and I didn't even get a single piece of loot out of it.

It would be cool if others had the opportunity to have similar experiences here.

[Ravager]

Nilbog and Rogean are more likely to give up the code and database before the "hardcore" raiders here share any pixels.

[Zemus]

I'd love to see this. I remember on emarr going to the open Nagy raid on my level 50 wizard with ice comet. We had a buff queue and once you got all your buffs you loged out and waited for the ok in some chatroom or something to log back in. Shitty UI, first person view. *sheads a tear*

[MerkelMacron]

you pussies ever heard of red99?

all that shit is up all the time

#blueballs
#waiting in line for trash pixels

[Breaken]

I honestly cannot tell you who is killing these mobs. Awakened has batphoned Lady Vox once in the last three and a half months, and Lord Nagafen twice. Have at these mobs.

[Pan]

No reason not to open some of these up, imo, if those who are capable are willing to stay away on certain weeks.

Omni would be happy to lead/support some open Naggy/Vox runs. Fill in the blanks for necessary classes, etc., and open the loot up to those in guilds who don't kill them regularly (or unguilded, etc.) - and by that I mean pass on everything to others in attendance.

And I'm certain the rest of CSG would be on board with this, too (tho I'll let them speak for themselves).

[pogs4ever]

omni open raid of 100+ with double vox pop was the best ever. one of my favorite p99 memories.

[pogs4ever]

http://i.imgur.com/2LmiEbL.png

[Pyrrhica]

omni open raid of 100+ with double vox pop was the best ever. one of my favorite p99 memories.

Yep, thumbs up to Cloki and Omni for organizing it! Also one of my favorite memories on this server. :)

[Mead]

Aftermath remains quiet.

[Swish]

Nilbog and Rogean are more likely to give up the code and database before the "hardcore" raiders here share any pixels.

In other news, rotations don't work thanks to your guild...and here we are :o

[skarlorn]

Yes let's get some Aftermath people in here voicing their agreement. Then we can go forward organizing some sort of treaty, even for one dragon every couple of months.

It's not hard, folks.


In other news, rotations don't work thanks to your guild...and here we are :o

Quit trolling server chat or get banned

[Swish]

That's a legit reason why we never saw rotations with Velious. Sorry you interpret that differently, are directing traffic and attempting a derail.

More open raids is good for the server, but to expect GM intervention after what happened last time we had anything like that, it's a bit steep. It needs to come from the community, so the hardcore guilds essentially need to give some up. If that won't happen, well, casuals are going without pixels.

[Culkasi]

No reason not to open some of these up, imo, if those who are capable are willing to stay away on certain weeks.

Omni would be happy to lead/support some open Naggy/Vox runs. Fill in the blanks for necessary classes, etc., and open the loot up to those in guilds who don't kill them regularly (or unguilded, etc.) - and by that I mean pass on everything to others in attendance.

And I'm certain the rest of CSG would be on board with this, too (tho I'll let them speak for themselves).

Of course we are on board with this

[skarlorn]

Yeah, I think Omni has led the only open Vox in server history, to my knowledge. Glad to see members of CSG signing on.

It's fun for everyone!

[Swish]

What's Rustle's position on this? I'm curious.

[username17]

This would be great. I've killed plenty of dragons but never Nag or Vox at the right level. I have a cleric and monk I've been leaving in the low 50s just for this.

[SunDrake]

Honestly, I can't believe after seven years this isn't a thing, but it should be.

A+ on the initiative, Filbus. If this is gonna be a server that people spend the rest of their lives on it should be a place that allows everyone some shot at 'fun' shit.

[Ravager]

In other news, rotations don't work thanks to your guild...and here we are :o
Why are you stalking me? I haven't been able to post without you antagonizing me for a month now.

[Brontus]

Kudos to the OP for having the courage to post this. The fact that vanilla dragons are permacamped and the management here approves of this and does nothing about it is the reason that I and many others have stop playing P1999. It's symptomatic of a larger problem which is and absentee model of administration.

I'm tired of the intellectually lazy argument that P1999 is "classic EQ". P1999 is not classic EQ by any stretch of the imagination. For one, Classic EQ at least had responsive admins that evaluated the health of the game and made changes. That's what responsible admins do in a virtual world. Virtual worlds are living breathing things; they are a work in progress and they require care and attention.

You don't plant a seed in a garden and expect it to grow without water, fertilizer, mulching, constant weeding and vigilance to protect the plant from insects and animals. The P1999 philosophy is to plant a seed and hope for the best. That doesn't work in the realm of gardening and it certainly doesn't work here.

Some people like this kind of administration. I don't and that's why I left. I hope someday a solution is created that allows everyone the chance to at least attempt a dragon.

[Boilon]

Being on Project 1999 is probably the first time since live that there hasn't been an active public raid scene. But, I think E'ci (in the hey day of kunark-PoP) was one server where public raiding was almost superior to the top-end guild. Naggy/Vox public raids were a weekly thing with sign ups / epic drop charts for War/Bard/Paladin who needed scale and book drops. It is really disappointing that it is not more of a thing here.

But, I mean p99 is far removed from the cooperation that I used to see on live back in 99-02/3 days. Here is hoping to something in the future though.

[raato]

Kudos to the OP for having the courage to post this. The fact that vanilla dragons are permacamped and the management here approves of this and does nothing about it is the reason that I and many others have stop playing P1999. It's symptomatic of a larger problem which is and absentee model of administration.

I'm tired of the intellectually lazy argument that P1999 is "classic EQ". P1999 is not classic EQ by any stretch of the imagination. For one, Classic EQ at least had responsive admins that evaluated the health of the game and made changes. That's what responsible admins do in a virtual world. Virtual worlds are living breathing things; they are a work in progress and they require care and attention.

You don't plant a seed in a garden and expect it to grow without water, fertilizer, mulching, constant weeding and vigilance to protect the plant from insects and animals. The P1999 philosophy is to plant a seed and hope for the best. That doesn't work in the realm of gardening and it certainly doesn't work here.

Some people like this kind of administration. I don't and that's why I left. I hope someday a solution is created that allows everyone the chance to at least attempt a dragon.

P99 staff is awesome when it's around, but lack of resources and setting up insanely complex rules about everything which are impossible to enforce properly has made this place playground for toxic neckbeards who almost always get rewarded for doing shady things. I don't mind healthy competition, I find it fun actually, but you don't often find healthy competition at P99 raid scene.

That is why I chose Agnarr. It might not be the "most classic" EverQuest experience around, but it sure is currently most fun place to experience classic raid content on casual fixed schedule. And competition for open world targets is far more fair than P99 for those who want to follow the server rules.

Looking at the server status makes me wonder when Swish starts posting cat gifs and "try p99" posts on Agnarr forums.

http://i.imgur.com/SDZFQJK.png

Wonder how low that number needs to go until server staff wakes up? I sure wish they would wake up soon, since it looks like majority is voting with their feet atm.

[Lhancelot]

Why are you stalking me? I haven't been able to post without you antagonizing me for a month now.

When he feels his forum status is threatened by others, that's what he does.



Wonder how low that number needs to go until server staff wakes up? I sure wish they would wake up soon, since it looks like majority is voting with their feet atm.

I realize you are frustrated with the raid scene on p99, but the admin here has operated as such since the start.

Really it boils down to the players realizing that they control the raid atmosphere here more than anyone else. Not the guides, not Rogean, not Innoruuk and any other EQ deity you might think controls the raid scene here.

If people approached this server in the way Filbus has done here and others have done in the past, opening civil communication up regarding pixels in this manner perhaps people would work together more?

It's a good start anyway, and hopefully people who hold the reins of the raid scene here make it happen. :p

[raato]

I realize you are frustrated with the raid scene on p99, but the admin here has operated as such since the start.

Really it boils down to the players realizing that they control the raid atmosphere here more than anyone else. Not the guides, not Rogean, not Innoruuk and any other EQ deity you might think controls the raid scene here.

If people approached this server in the way Filbus has done here and others have done in the past, opening civil communication up regarding pixels in this manner perhaps people would work together more?

It's a good start anyway, and hopefully people who hold the reins of the raid scene here make it happen. :p

I have realized that long time ago and that is huge part of the problem. We cannot have nice things if we have few toxic players who break the agreements whenever they see it fits for them or when they get mad at each others for whatever stupid reason. Or when there are guild leaders who won't even sit to the table to have civil conversation unless enforced by GMs. And players have no way for enforcing anything, because of the "play nice policies".

There has been so many rotations and agreements, some more exclusive than others, but still. And all of them have been broken down by greed and toxic players.

But thumps up for this proposal, I really hope it works out!

[Skunkranger]

Fantastic post, got me right in the feels.

[Yasi]

Fantastic Post.

But thanks for the replies too. I just read them and I'll have some hell of an orgsam clicking my "Play Agnarr" button when I get home from work!

[Convict]

Aftermath remains quiet.

From what i've seen awakened rarely even bothers with naggy/vox because they don't really need the drops. Maybe when its the only thing in window which hasn't happened in a while since before the first full repop so you rarely see them bother with even naggy and vox is an afterthought.

Aftermath however is full of plat whores who will zerg anything and everything that has loot worth more than 50kpp good luck getting them to agree to this.

[raato]

From what i've seen awakened rarely even bothers with naggy/vox because they don't really need the drops. Maybe when its the only thing in window which hasn't happened in a while since before the first full repop so you rarely see them bother with even naggy and vox is an afterthought.

Aftermath however is full of plat whores who will zerg anything and everything that has loot worth more than 50kpp good luck getting them to agree to this.

But havent you heard that those players do not represent Aftermath! Not even when 90% them are officer tagged.

[Crevex]

I won a CoF when i was like 12 years old back in the day on an open naggy raid on Rodcent. I flipped my shit and spammed the zone for a good 30 seconds. Good times. I support this idea.

[Lhancelot]

From what i've seen awakened rarely even bothers with naggy/vox because they don't really need the drops. Maybe when its the only thing in window which hasn't happened in a while since before the first full repop so you rarely see them bother with even naggy and vox is an afterthought.

Aftermath however is full of plat whores who will zerg anything and everything that has loot worth more than 50kpp good luck getting them to agree to this.

I suspect it's middle tier "casual" raid guilds that are more of the problem than A/A when it comes to lower tier raid mobs being socked.

It seems more often than not, it's not top tier dragon raiding guilds who are cockblocking lower tier dragons and epic mob spawns, it's your family-friendly zerg raid guilds doing it.

I don't see how A/A is thirsting over lvl 52 dragon loots, even if Bladestoppers are highly touted, how many have they already farmed by this point?

Too bad there isn't a running list of who kills what at all times regarding raid mobs. It would really be telling exactly who the greediest actually are.

[William_Munny15]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKZmqjvUE0 =(

[planarity]

My first raid on live was an open naggy raid (http://imgur.com/a/c1vkh) shortly after velious release

http://imgur.com/oZiuJ09

notice in the 4th picture: sonic bat begins to cast a spell

[pogs4ever]

Aftermath and to a lesser extent Awakened are all over naggy.
Aftermath on vox.

Sprinkle a casual guild every 5th or 6th one lol.

[arsenalpow]

I suspect it's middle tier "casual" raid guilds that are more of the problem than A/A when it comes to lower tier raid mobs being socked.

It seems more often than not, it's not top tier dragon raiding guilds who are cockblocking lower tier dragons and epic mob spawns, it's your family-friendly zerg raid guilds doing it.

I don't see how A/A is thirsting over lvl 52 dragon loots, even if Bladestoppers are highly touted, how many have they already farmed by this point?

Too bad there isn't a running list of who kills what at all times regarding raid mobs. It would really be telling exactly who the greediest actually are.

There's logs of everything. You can pull a record of each raid target slain by whoever, which is then tied to a guild and tally stuff up.

[Daldaen]

Hmmm does Nagafen give a Solusek Mining Co faction hit on P99?

[Rygar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKZmqjvUE0 =(

That is some serious commitment, they have a warrior with EPIC to tank Naggy? hot damn.

[Cecily]

I suspect it's middle tier "casual" raid guilds that are more of the problem than A/A when it comes to lower tier raid mobs being socked.

It seems more often than not, it's not top tier dragon raiding guilds who are cockblocking lower tier dragons and epic mob spawns, it's your family-friendly zerg raid guilds doing it.

I don't see how A/A is thirsting over lvl 52 dragon loots, even if Bladestoppers are highly touted, how many have they already farmed by this point?

Too bad there isn't a running list of who kills what at all times regarding raid mobs. It would really be telling exactly who the greediest actually are.

I suspect that, besides reading P99 forums, you have no experience to back up any of your opinions expressed in this post and would like to kindly request you refrain from offering input on anything raid-related in the future.

[Breaken]

Serious commitment? That is Eratani's alt, though some people have access to it. The statement I made yesterday holds true. We have batphoned/killed 2 Lord Nagafens in 3.5 months.

How many has CSG done?

[Samoht]

Serious commitment? That is Eratani's alt, though some people have access to it. The statement I made yesterday holds true. We have batphoned/killed 2 Lord Nagafens in 3.5 months.

And how many times have the "alts" killed it as a scheduled, tracked, and guild-only raid but without DKP?

[Breaken]

Never. Sorry, you are looking at the wrong guild there. We also log every Fear Golem kill, as that is what I assume you are alluding to.

[Breaken]

I don't know what Aftermath does, to be quite honest. So, I never said that. They might go for every one, or none. I couldn't say. I can only speak to Awakened raids.

[Dreenk317]

So, it sounds like Awakened with breaken as leader(unless I'm mistaken) is open to this?
That's one guild on board and signed up. I believe I saw an Omni and a Europa post saying they were onboard as well.

[pogs4ever]

awakened prioritizes more difficult content over naggy. As a top guild should. More server resets please for the casuals !

[skarlorn]

Cool so aside from Infernus, who should I be getting in touch with? We have Omni, europa, and azure guard who of Csg and Awakened already willing to make this happen. I'm guessing Will fights guild will be on board and maybe Paradox. Not really sure who else remains?

[Erati]

Cant wait to get Ring10 on Tanksalot : D

Best Naggy/Vox tank on box - defeat him with your chosen lvl 52 champion in a trial by combat and Tanksalot will step aside and allow Lord Nagafen to be engaged as you proved worthy!

[Zemus]

Cant wait to get Ring10 on Tanksalot : D

Best Naggy/Vox tank on box - defeat him with your chosen lvl 52 champion in a trial by combat and Tanksalot will step aside and allow Lord Nagafen to be engaged as you proved worthy!

How is it that Tanksalot has not been found worthy for a position in your signature line hmmm :confused:

[Erati]

How is it that Tanksalot has not been found worthy for a position in your signature line hmmm :confused:

I dont think it would be fair to him to put him next to such underachievers!

[maskedmelonpai]

while i really like the idea behind this thread i think the turn it taken on this page is something special :3

[mattydef]

If you agree to let any Bladestoppers and Rez Sticks that drop from these dragons to be rolled off by exclusively A/A members in attendance perhaps you will get a deal.

But a Bladestopper is probably the most valuable single item to drop from the raid scene on P99 right now due to the lack of proximity hate bonus code and the fact that zone pulls are still allowed for most content. I can't imagine they'd want to pass one up voluntarily.

Alternatively - Agnarr Server for your desired casual raiding experience. Until Sirken and Rogean hand off the reigns of the server to someone who favors casual raiding rules, you won't get much official support for casual raiding.

This is probably the most hilarious post I've read in a while.

[Lhancelot]

I suspect that, besides reading P99 forums, you have no experience to back up any of your opinions expressed in this post and would like to kindly request you refrain from offering input on anything raid-related in the future.

I spent more than a few months in a fairly popular/successful "casual" raid guild that operates right now on p99. I seen firsthand how they were all over golems and how they drooled over getting tears that were looted solely for MQs.

I can say from experience, I watched how the inner circle of that guild got most, and fringe guild members got what slowly trickled down.

How did members get to be in that inner circle? People kissed officers asses, and got to group up in cliques with the officers. These people always were prioritized to be helped while lesser favored members had to beg for help, and usually ended up waiting months to get assistance when they needed guild support.

Cecily, I realize you have a personal problem with me however why don't you refrain from speaking about me when it's clear you honestly know nothing about me. Thanks pal. :)

[Obeast44]

I suspect it's middle tier "casual" raid guilds that are more of the problem than A/A when it comes to lower tier raid mobs being socked.

It seems more often than not, it's not top tier dragon raiding guilds who are cockblocking lower tier dragons and epic mob spawns, it's your family-friendly zerg raid guilds doing it.

I don't see how A/A is thirsting over lvl 52 dragon loots, even if Bladestoppers are highly touted, how many have they already farmed by this point?

Too bad there isn't a running list of who kills what at all times regarding raid mobs. It would really be telling exactly who the greediest actually are.

Wrong, not a few days ago a multi guild group was clearing fire giants on the way to Naggy, mostly consisting of 45-52s. As soon as we got close, about 30+ a Aftermath logged into the hallways, swiped the kill, and logged right back out in said hallway. That's neckbeard pixel monger BS, and it needs to be addressed.

[Triiz]

Cool so aside from Infernus, who should I be getting in touch with? We have Omni, europa, and azure guard who of Csg and Awakened already willing to make this happen. I'm guessing Will fights guild will be on board and maybe Paradox. Not really sure who else remains?

I'm pretty sure Infernus basically completely left the server for Agnarr.

While we're talking guilds, and semi-relevant, did AG split into two different guilds? Someone told me that, but ya never know what is fake news these days.

[Cecily]

I spent more than a few months in a fairly popular/successful "casual" raid guild that operates right now on p99. I seen firsthand how they were all over golems and how they drooled over getting tears that were looted solely for MQs.

I can say from experience, I watched how the inner circle of that guild got most, and fringe guild members got what slowly trickled down.

How did members get to be in that inner circle? People kissed officers asses, and got to group up in cliques with the officers. These people always were prioritized to be helped while lesser favored members had to beg for help, and usually ended up waiting months to get assistance when they needed guild support.

Cecily, I realize you have a personal problem with me however why don't you refrain from speaking about me when it's clear you honestly know nothing about me. Thanks pal. :)

Ok, so you spent 4+ months in a shitty random casual guild and now you have insightful commentary to share with those of us who've been dealing with this shit for years and are just now giving us a lesson on how things work in the raiding world. Thank you, you lovable forum retard.

Let's not get into how your shitty random casual guild's officers / inner circle were corrupt and unlikable people like yourself couldn't get help, because it's completely unrelated to who's killing Naggy ATM. The reason you and I are talking right now. You're off topic and full of shit and ignorant of the subject matter of what you're talking about. Shut up before I eviscerate your dumb ass posts line by line.

[Lhancelot]

Wrong, not a few days ago a multi guild group was clearing fire giants on the way to Naggy, mostly consisting of 45-52s. As soon as we got close, about 30+ a Aftermath logged into the hallways, swiped the kill, and logged right back out in said hallway. That's neckbeard pixel monger BS, and it needs to be addressed.

I am not saying you are wrong, perhaps Aftermath is hogging all the lesser tier raid mobs now.

But - you have one anecdotal piece of evidence, one situation and you are ready to proclaim that Aftermath does this constantly and all the time?

I just think many people in this thread have personal dislikings for certain guilds/people and are reacting on those feelings, instead of simply showing support for the actual meaning of the thread.

***That includes me, I am a bit jaded towards some guilds due to personal experiences with them.

Anyway, I am done with this thread GL with making this work. :p

*snipped angry rant*

Cecily... We all have limited experiences in part because it's impossible to have experienced everything that every guild has done. Thus, naturally we speak from our personal albeit limited experiences. That's kind of how people operate, right?

I just find it funny you ask me to leave you alone on the forums, and yet you want to openly attack me. I honored your request, why not provide a little quid pro quo here?

Anyway, I am done with this thread GL with making this work. :p

[skarlorn]

I like the idea of having to duel Eratani's 52 naggy champion. Even if it doesn't matter I think it's very cute and fun. Someone please do this.

[pogs4ever]

AM has a monopoly on nagafen. it's Not even close.

[Freakish]

I do not agree to this I will burn it to the ground.

[skarlorn]

I do not agree to this I will burn it to the ground.

send me ur RL info i'll send a Maceman over ASAP to help ya with ur problem <3

[Cecily]

Cecily... We all have limited experiences in part because it's impossible to have experienced everything that every guild has done. Thus, naturally we speak from our personal albeit limited experiences. That's kind of how people operate, right?

I just find it funny you ask me to leave you alone on the forums, and yet you want to openly attack me. I honored your request, why not provide a little quid pro quo here?

Anyway, I am done with this thread GL with making this work. :p

I don't like it when you express yourself on these boards because your thoughts aren't insightful, fun to read, or funny. People treat you with kid gloves because I'm pretty sure we all think you're legitimately retarded and no one feels good about being mean to a mentally challenged individual. However, the level of stupid shit you post reaches critical mass on regular intervals and I can't restrain myself from trying to figuratively smack that smug grin off your idiot face. Please find a different community.

[Rygar]

Serious commitment? That is Eratani's alt, though some people have access to it. The statement I made yesterday holds true. We have batphoned/killed 2 Lord Nagafens in 3.5 months.

How many has CSG done?

I think most people would think warrior with EPIC that is kept at level 52 and used at max 2x a week is indeed a serious commitment to Naggy / Vox (considering how many warrior mains yearn for their epic). I was more shocked to see that than anything, I have heard some folks de-level after gathering top pixels and such. I had a warrior on live (never got epic despite working hard for it), so it surprised me.

I know CSG does do Naggy/Vox a lot and is a major contributor to kills, I made mention of that in my original post in this thread. My personal opinion is no guild should maintain a 52 army (whether it be CSG / Kittens / A/A, etc), I like the open raid idea. In this Filbus dream world I would love to see top guilds helping people newer to the server to raid Vox/Naggy weekly if they are 46-52, host open raids as maybe guild PR and do at scheduled times. I know people will pick holes at that (such as not enough new members to maintain, how to monitor someone doesn't try to farm the raids, etc). I'm just a filthy casual though who isn't that concerned with pixels.

[loramin]

I like the idea of having to duel Eratani's 52 naggy champion. Even if it doesn't matter I think it's very cute and fun. Someone please do this.

See Llandris, this is what happens when you let people beat you in duels: look at the monster you have created!

I don't like it when you express yourself on these boards because your thoughts aren't insightful, fun to read, or funny. People treat you with kid gloves because I'm pretty sure we all think you're legitimately retarded and no one feels good about being mean to a mentally challenged individual. However, the level of stupid shit you post reaches critical mass on regular intervals and I can't restrain myself from trying to figuratively smack that smug grin off your idiot face. Please find a different community.

You've never been a very personable person, but your issues with Lhancelot are crazy town. Seek help.

/em prepares for a wall of crazy Cecily hate

[Cecily]

I don't like you either.

[Breaken]

I also like the idea of an open raid. Obviously Lady Vox would be easier to orchestrate, but who knows. Didn't Auld Lang Syne get a shot at these mobs? What happened there?

[Dreenk317]

Let's make this happen guys, regularly scheduled, open Naggy/Vox raids. I'll poke all my guildies with sticks and pee in there cheerios till they agree to this. How about you?

[Rygar]

Cool so aside from Infernus, who should I be getting in touch with? We have Omni, europa, and azure guard who of Csg and Awakened already willing to make this happen. I'm guessing Will fights guild will be on board and maybe Paradox. Not really sure who else remains?

I believe you'd want to discuss with Ruffel in Azure Guard, or officers Inbox / Serous / Nahd. Unless I missed it I didn't see them post in this thread about, so may want to get an official stance / commitment from them.

[loramin]

I don't like you either.

https://i.imgur.com/8wa9vdl.jpg

[Viper7]

This has happened before on blue and even on red (lol) but alot of noobs saying it never has.

Problem is weeding out anyone there who are not alts of high lvl characters trying to random on loot they dont really need but just want to sell it. Thats very hard to do.

I guess the casual still gets to kill the dragon but the reward not so much.

[Cecily]

Why in god's name would it be NGB?

[Viper7]

Why in god's name would it be NGB?

Ok say you dont NBG it. How many people have friends that will all roll on it and split the plat made?

The answer is there is no way to make it right but its about time you bluebies did this. I still will be shocked it ever happens... some real pixel addiction going on blue.

[skarlorn]

This has happened before on blue and even on red (lol) but alot of noobs saying it never has.

Problem is weeding out anyone there who are not alts of high lvl characters trying to random on loot they dont really need but just want to sell it. Thats very hard to do.

I guess the casual still gets to kill the dragon but the reward not so much.

I know it's happened before; see Omni's vox raid a couple years ago.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with people showing up to random on dragon loot, even if they are already rich. Back in classic, people absolutely randomed on stuff to try to sell it. I remember seeing my brother win a Vox eyepatch on his rogue and make some plat off of it.

If everyone has a chance at most of the loot (probably will have to forfeit Rez Stick to the nerd lords), and lots of people can simply show up and fight Vox, we have ourselves a win.

[Lhancelot]

After Cecily seethed hatred via the forums 2 hours ago, I lost connection and couldn't connect back till just now.

Anyone else have that happen? Loramin, you there? :(

[Smurflogik]

I'd love to get in on an open Vox raid. Been chasing a white scale for over 5 years, and casual as I am, there is no end in sight.

[stonez138]

The top raiders on this server are cock blocking assholes. Always have been. I started on the server way before kunark. People trained each other back then over fear/hate trash. Haven't had the slightest desire to raid here since.

[Cecily]

I heard from a reputable source it's the casuals blocking people now.

[mcoy]

I've purposely kept one of my alts at 52 (after spending a few months there with Mcoy), with the intention of replacing them with my next highest once they reached it, solely for the purpose of being able to experience V/N again. Tell me who to speak with to help make this happen...

-Mcoy

[Lhancelot]

I heard from a reputable source it's the casuals blocking people now.

Hey Cecily, I am thinking of trying the whole guild thing again. Where do I apply for <The Best>?

[Pan]

To answer a tangential question:

I think CSG has done one Naggy in the last few months. A number of Voxes, though. Naggy is always a spectacular shitshow for the some of the reasons mentioned above (among others). Vox is usually a little more sane. Plus Vox helps us with epics whereas Naggy does not (so much - not as many pallies as bards).

Suggest we pick a week - first or last of the month - something regular - and agree to an open raid/time.

I'd really prefer that those in Naggy/Vox-capable guilds only showed in support rather than for loot. Part of the reason for doing this, it seems, is to put epics/dragon loot into the hands of those who might not see it otherwise. Not so much of a win if an AA or CSG alt won a white scale and sold it in EC. Kinda deflating and defeating. Prefer to see it go to an impossibly patient bard.

Just my .02. Whatever we can actually manage to work out along these lines would be a whole lot better than what we have now.

[Pyrocat]

The top raiders on this server are cock blocking assholes. Always have been. I started on the server way before kunark. People trained each other back then over fear/hate trash. Haven't had the slightest desire to raid here since.

Times have changed.

[Lhancelot]

To answer a tangential question:

I think CSG has done one Naggy in the last few months. A number of Voxes, though. Naggy is always a spectacular shitshow for the some of the reasons mentioned above (among others). Vox is usually a little more sane. Plus Vox helps us with epics whereas Naggy does not (so much - not as many pallies as bards).

Suggest we pick a week - first or last of the month - something regular - and agree to an open raid/time.

I'd really prefer that those in Naggy/Vox-capable guilds only showed in support rather than for loot. Part of the reason for doing this, it seems, is to put epics/dragon loot into the hands of those who might not see it otherwise. Not so much of a win if an AA or CSG alt won a white scale and sold it in EC. Kinda deflating and defeating. Prefer to see it go to an impossibly patient bard.

Just my .02. Whatever we can actually manage to work out along these lines would be a whole lot better than what we have now.

Stay gold, Ponyboy, stay gold. <3 Omni. Best part of CSG tbh.

[Expediency]

I hope this thread leads to a scheme where we can have some open dragon raids. It would be great for the server and I think its doable. The last open vox raid was a huge success.

Ok, so you spent 4+ months in a shitty random casual guild and now you have insightful commentary to share with those of us who've been dealing with this shit for years and are just now giving us a lesson on how things work in the raiding world.

You are wasting your time. He (Llancelot) did the exact same thing in a previous thread where ALS was trying to figure out how they could get a chance at the old world bosses. Many adults trying to work on the details in public/private while he spams the most negative/unhelpful/uneducated responses possible. Here you go: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266076

Spoiler alert: he was wrong, and the server worked out an agreement to give ALS a chance at the mobs. Look how many signed it. https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266534

[Lhancelot]

I hope this thread leads to a scheme where we can have some open dragon raids. It would be great for the server and I think its doable. The last open vox raid was a huge success.



You are wasting your time. He (Llancelot) did the exact same thing in a previous thread where ALS was trying to figure out how they could get a chance at the old world bosses. Many adults trying to work on the details in public/private while he spams the most negative/unhelpful/uneducated responses possible. Here you go: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266076

Spoiler alert: he was wrong, and the server worked out an agreement to give ALS a chance at the mobs. Look how many signed it. https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266534

With AG agreeing to this, the chances are fairly good now.

Glad to see you guys pulling your grubby neckbeardy hands off the low tier raid mobs to give real casuals a chance.

Looking forward to this, so I can participate! Thanks Expediency for being an adult and being a part of this.

Also, nice proof you got there showing just how helpful and giving the p99 raid community is. Really gives me confidence that this server is really turning it around now.

P.S. You aint talking to a beacon of optimism btw when you talking to Cecily. You act like my being negative in some past threads regarding the raid scene is here is some shock or something. News flash, the raid scene here is awful. And that's because of the players and their greed, nothing else.

[Breaken]

Ok say you dont NBG it. How many people have friends that will all roll on it

Here in lies the old debate. Why does it matter who rolls/wins the loot? The casual guilds argue that the aren't given the opportunity to see dragons, but then loot is an issue. Well, which is it? Is it the encounter or the loot? I've long known it's both, but many won't admit that.

[Pan]

Here in lies the old debate. Why does it matter who rolls/wins the loot? The casual guilds argue that the aren't given the opportunity to see dragons, but then loot is an issue. Well, which is it? Is it the encounter or the loot? I've long known it's both, but many won't admit that.

It's clearly both. Hence my suggestion (ensure that it gets into the hands of those whose guilds aren't Naggy/Vox capable - or unguilded). And hope that people are honorable about it if we (collectively) decide to do it that way (IF we can agree to do it at all, here).

[skarlorn]

Detoxx kindly replied to my PM and has stated that AM doesn't actively go after Vox.

I'll do some outreach tomorrow to the remaining small guilds. Once we get those bases covered, I'll need someone to help me put a post in Raid Discussion; preferably someone who is willing to help organize/lead this event. PM me if you want to take this responsibility. (depending on the time of the first open Vox I may or may not be able to attend; I'm more interested in getting this organized from a community perspective than leading the nerd raid)

Then it will just be a matter of projecting out spawns based on timers and setting up an agreed upon Vox :)

We are going to make this happen!

[Kesselring]

Detoxx kindly replied to my PM and has stated that AM doesn't actively go after Vox.

I'll do some outreach tomorrow to the remaining small guilds. Once we get those bases covered, I'll need someone to help me put a post in Raid Discussion; preferably someone who is willing to help organize/lead this event. PM me if you want to take this responsibility. (depending on the time of the first open Vox I may or may not be able to attend; I'm more interested in getting this organized from a community perspective than leading the nerd raid)

Then it will just be a matter of projecting out spawns based on timers and setting up an agreed upon Vox :)

We are going to make this happen!

I personally would like to see bards getting epics over the scale being sold every time. Since that's the only real reason to go for vox really.

Nagafen is obviously a whole different story since he has a bladestopper and prayers.

[Swish]

It's clearly both. Hence my suggestion (ensure that it gets into the hands of those whose guilds aren't Naggy/Vox capable - or unguilded). And hope that people are honorable about it if we (collectively) decide to do it that way (IF we can agree to do it at all, here).

Cloki is the guy I'd trust to run it expertly and fairly. Omni have always been good like that ^^

[Swish]

I spent more than a few months in a fairly popular/successful "casual" raid guild that operates right now on p99. I seen firsthand how they were all over golems and how they drooled over getting tears that were looted solely for MQs.

I can say from experience, I watched how the inner circle of that guild got most, and fringe guild members got what slowly trickled down.

Which guild was this? I'm interested to know.

[Culkasi]

Serious commitment? That is Eratani's alt, though some people have access to it. The statement I made yesterday holds true. We have batphoned/killed 2 Lord Nagafens in 3.5 months.

How many has CSG done?

Think we've maybe done 1-2 Naggy this year - I admit we have been doing a lot of Vox though, them white scales.

[titanshub]

I think Kittens would be agreeable to something like this as long as its fair. Personally, I'd like to see a proper clear and classic'esque engage from the entrance. If nobody is competing then bringing in level 60's to clear it is cheese. Show people the zone, let them fall in the pit if they don't pay attention and give them a proper raid instead of a gear farm. This type of stuff is good for the server. Anything that makes people (raiders) take a step back and realize that this is just a video game is generally a positive thing.

However, Kittens do not have raid forum access so discussing it there means we either have to have our input posted for us or we get to just agree / disagree to whatever everyone else decides on. It would be nice to see someone just create a discord server and give every guild 2 or 3 invites.

[raato]

Here in lies the old debate. Why does it matter who rolls/wins the loot? The casual guilds argue that the aren't given the opportunity to see dragons, but then loot is an issue. Well, which is it? Is it the encounter or the loot? I've long known it's both, but many won't admit that.

Like Cloki already said, its clearly both.

But far more important thing than loot or experiencing the encounters for atleast many CSG members and all of the CSG leadership is how we treat and respect each others when playing in the same box. That is why CSG has used petition only as last resort when "top dogs" behaviour and attitude has not changed better or has dramatically changed worse towards the others playing in the same box and competing for the same targets. And that is why CSG often does not batphone targets they find up and contested by smaller raid entities. And that is why CSG never kills any targets to sell the loots.

For example I have refused to take CT loots as concede from Aftermath after they trained us first and then killed CT (which would have caused AM to get suspended if they hadn't offered the loots) to get in rule changes instead to make it a bit less easy to break the rules and just concede to avoid suspension when get caught. And getting the people who are leading the guilds responsible for their guilds actions.

Removed: All bits dictating what a concession must be, and all bits stating that they must be accepted.

Other: Added "Please remember that Guild Leaders and/or officers may be held accountable (with personal account suspensions on any/all of their characters) for any actions of their guild members, in addition to any other actions that may be taken by the Staff. It is therefore the responsibility of the Guild Leadership to ensure that all guild members abide by these (and all server) rules.". This is mostly the same thing from the Server Rules (here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299), but I want to make sure it is seen in both threads, and so players understand this also applies to raid infractions.

[Breaken]

It's clearly both. Hence my suggestion (ensure that it gets into the hands of those whose guilds aren't Naggy/Vox capable - or unguilded). And hope that people are honorable about it if we (collectively) decide to do it that way (IF we can agree to do it at all, here).

My point is that you will not be able to control this. Some random unguilded toon will roll and you will not know his affiliation. The question is, does it matter? The point of this open raid is to experience the encounter and have a chance at loot. The same as that unguilded guy that might have an affiliation with a larger guild. Whether it A/A/CSG/PS (they killed Gozzrem and I am sure they do some Vox?) .. As I stated, Awakened has done 1 Vox in over 3 months. Why are you going to deny them a roll on something their guild does not go for?

I don't care what you guys do with your open Vox raid, Awakened is not going to just start batphoning Vox more because of it... But, I am speaking from a logistical stand point. Assume we get to the point where *every* Lady Vox is an open raid. Would you not allow big guilds to join and roll?

[Culkasi]

Assume we get to the point where *every* Lady Vox is an open raid. Would you not allow big guilds to join and roll?

If we get to that point, I would say yes, but with the understanding that bards needing epics roll for the white scale, not someone wanting to flip it in EC - and btw, for the "big guilds" there is still Gore, which I know everyone still goes for, and has a very similar (if not better) loot table

[Ravager]

Lol....1 naggy/vox per month. Damn you guys are bad.
This is actually pretty damn generous considering the people passing up on these dragons are likely the same folks who will be running the open raids. It's more work than you think to organize 150 people in a dungeon to zerg a dragon on 16 hour variance. It'd be unreasonable to expect them to host 2 of these raids every week for the benefit of others who never raided before.

[Lhancelot]

The point of this open raid is to experience the encounter and have a chance at loot. As I stated, Awakened has done 1 Vox in over 3 months. Why are you going to deny them a roll on something their guild does not go for? Assume we get to the point where *every* Lady Vox is an open raid. Would you not allow big guilds to join and roll?

This is a great point. IMO it's counterproductive to exclude people on this server from an open raid. All that will do is isolate and separate people from others even more, and make them feel resentful.

It may not seem sensible but in actuality encouraging all guilds and any player interested in participating to do so would only create more relationships and interaction in the game. This is a good thing.

Over time that might actually make things much smoother not just for these low tier raid mobs, but for higher tier raiding too, when people are more familiar with one another.

I think less limitations and more cameraderie is the way to go on this.

Also, worrying over someone selling the items for plats or selling MQs is an exercise of futility. Honestly it's going to be hard to stop this if someone wants to do it.

It's probably best to value the experience first, and simply try to be fair with the loots as any raid should be.

If A/A wants to join, why not? I think segregating people due to guilds is a bad idea.

[pogs4ever]

i think just /ran for droppables, no drop restricted to class. keep it simple

i know if this happens, and it was a greed roll, almost everyone in my guild would give the scale to their most beloved bard.

it'll find it's way to a bard. there are many bards (myself included once upon a time) sitting on hundreds of k of plat to try and buy one.

at least in this scenario, there is a chance it will find its way to a bard (be it one who swarmed thousands of gobbos for plat, or one with enough friends to be given from someone who won) and not some L52 epic'd vox/naggy alt army that only makes the barrier of entry more difficult.

[pogs4ever]

I have a 52 Bard that I leave parked at naggy as well and I log in if I'm on when the call goes out. 100% of the time Aftermath/Awakened/Rustle gets the kill. I have definitely seen some CSG out there contesting but they get mowed over and leap frogged because they actually kill giants and spiders.

I guess if Naggy spawns when Vulak is in window everything is fine, but to pretend the raid guilds don't farm naggy is dumb because literally all 3 guilds have characters with no other purpose besides killing Naggy

also this, i have a toon parked at naggy as well, and this has been my experience. CSG if its in the middle of the night. otherwise your gonna get leap frogged at the 4-giants by AM's gank crew. we killed all the giants up to the 2 spawn at the door way to zordak and they leapfrogged us for a zordak lol.

but that being said, i think people here have come to the consensus that no way is this gonna work for naggy.

[Expediency]

There is a 0% chance Naggy will ever be shared/open raided unless its GM enforced.



Such an agreement was already signed once this year. This can happen (and will if we have strong leadership) but this business of negotiating the terms in a public forum is not useful and may actually be harmful

[mattydef]

I agree that any droppable items should be rolled for by everyone at the raid, including a white scale. Or else you're going to have people arguing how only melee should roll for RBB etc. Anyone can use 300k+, and like mentioned before, the odds are good that the scale will end up in the hands of a bard anyway.

[Breaken]

Your post is a bit disingenuous since I know for a fact that you guys have scores of 'naggy alts' parked on the bridge and zone in.

I have a 52 Bard that I leave parked at naggy as well and I log in if I'm on when the call goes out. 100% of the time Aftermath/Awakened/Rustle gets the kill. I have definitely seen some CSG out there contesting but they get mowed over and leap frogged because they actually kill giants and spiders.

I guess if Naggy spawns when Vulak is in window everything is fine, but to pretend the raid guilds don't farm naggy is dumb because literally all 3 guilds have characters with no other purpose besides killing Naggy

My post is far from disingenuous. We do not have alts parked on the bridge, as that would disqualify us from an attempt. We do have alts camped in SolB. We do not use them regularly, as I already said a few times, we have only batphoned Naggy twice in the last 3.5 months. This is an exact number, as there has not been an "undocumented" raid on him by us. As to what Aftermath/Rustle kills, that is for them to speak to.

[Lhancelot]

I agree that any droppable items should be rolled for by everyone at the raid, including a white scale. Or else you're going to have people arguing how only melee should roll for RBB etc. Anyone can use 300k+, and like mentioned before, the odds are good that the scale will end up in the hands of a bard anyway.

Open raid/open loot. make the raid all-inclusive so everyone has a chance to have fun.

[mattydef]

Open raid/open loot. make the raid all-inclusive so everyone has a chance to have fun.

Yep, plus I guarantee there is a hell of a lot more 53+ bards with no epic than there are 46-52 bards. And the only way those bards are getting a shot at that scale is bringing an alt to roll for it, and there's no way those bards have naggy/vox bard alts lol.

[Fasttimes]

Yep, plus I guarantee there is a hell of a lot more 53+ bards with no epic than there are 46-52 bards. And the only way those bards are getting a shot at that scale is bringing an alt to roll for it, and there's no way those bards have naggy/vox bard alts lol.

I have a 60 bard and vox bard. Pretty sure franswa does too.

[Zemus]

I have a 60 bard and vox bard. Pretty sure franswa does too.

Two 60 bards and a naggy/vox bard. The man is committed to his craft.

[Fasttimes]

Two 60 bards and a naggy/vox bard. The man is committed to his craft.

Yep he is reason I 2 mained bards in IB

[Baler]

Don't they kill vox and naggy in 2.5 seconds.. seeing as how people have kunark and velious gear I can't imagine the dragons last all that long.. even though the players are level .. 52?

[Convict]

AM has a monopoly on nagafen. it's Not even close.

yup they batphone every single naggy pop guaranteed but if you just catch them on fraps logging in past the entrance like they aren't supposed to they will have to concede. If you plan to contest aftermath on anything its 100% imperative that you understand they will break any rule they think they can get away with breaking. Fraps everything, always.

[Dreenk317]

Yep, plus I guarantee there is a hell of a lot more 53+ bards with no epic than there are 46-52 bards. And the only way those bards are getting a shot at that scale is bringing an alt to roll for it, and there's no way those bards have naggy/vox bard alts lol.

locked my bard at 52 till i won a damn scale.

[Dildy]

I Dildy, hereby propose, under the power of the free folk of the server, every third week of the month to be off limits for the slaughter of Naggy/Vox to any single guild or alliance. This agreement shall go into effect beginning this month, September 2017. Let it be known.

Signed,

Dildy

[skarlorn]

Hey friends,

I'll be moving forward by getting a proposal into Raid Discussion. Thank you for the support and your thoughts. Serverwide participation is obviously very important. Feel free to keep bantering and having emotional meltdowns in this thread; but if you want to follow the actual work, look for a new post in RD soon.

Bye bye :)

[Lhancelot]

I Dildy, hereby propose, under the power of the free folk of the server, every third week of the month to be off limits for the slaughter of Naggy/Vox to any single guild or alliance. This agreement shall go into effect beginning this month, September 2017. Let it be known.

Signed,

Dildy

Just make all Naggy/Vox raids open for all, and allow all to roll on items. Let the server come together as one, and one for all.

[Daldaen]

This begs to question what time do you run open Nagafen and Vox raids. There's no perfect time, whatever you pick will leave out certain people. Do you alternate if this repeats multiple times?

[maskedmelonpai]

WHO GONNA DUAL TWINKATANI THOGH!?!?!?!?:confused:

[loramin]

WHO GONNA DUAL TWINKATANI THOGH!?!?!?!?:confused:

Like a dogged reporter, Melon is always asking the truly important questions.

[HippoNipple]

Guilds A and B are getting Naggy and you want guilds C through Z to stand idly by and let some shit heads come in and kill it that have never put in any effort.

Just enable PvP and item loot on this server and let the scum end this project once and for all.

[kotton05]

This begs to question what time do you run open Nagafen and Vox raids. There's no perfect time, whatever you pick will leave out certain people. Do you alternate if this repeats multiple times?

Simple organize one American time one euro time. Those who can make both win!

[Detoxx]

Aftermath supports this wonderful venture and is open to more in the future!

[Daldaen]

WHO GONNA DUAL TWINKATANI THOGH!?!?!?!?:confused:

https://i.imgur.com/E0T016U_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high

[skarlorn]

Aftermath supports this wonderful venture and is open to more in the future!

pras it.

Makes me happy to see the big raid guilds ready to make this Server Great Again

Almost brings a tear to my eye :)

[Evia]

I've Been playing p99 off and on since 2012. Never have I ever killed a dragon. This would be really cool, and I'd happily dust off the ol' shaman to raid a dragon with some other first timers!

[zodium]

WHO GONNA DUAL TWINKATANI THOGH!?!?!?!?:confused:

:eek:

[maskedmelonpai]

https://i.imgur.com/E0T016U_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high


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this just got SUPER exciting


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Oberyn is literally my FAVORITE GoT character!! think my heart skipped a beat when i saw this post (*^^*)

[Baler]

Just enable PvP

I'm 100% for pvp enabled raiding. :cool:

All the afk leeches would be easy pickins.

[Maner]

also this, i have a toon parked at naggy as well, and this has been my experience. CSG if its in the middle of the night. otherwise your gonna get leap frogged at the 4-giants by AM's gank crew. we killed all the giants up to the 2 spawn at the door way to zordak and they leapfrogged us for a zordak lol.

but that being said, i think people here have come to the consensus that no way is this gonna work for naggy.

Zordak is not naggy and can be done with 2 people. It is commonly raced for as you have 20min after the turn in where the encounter is yours. Unlike naggy you can have someone camped in the room and do the turn in even.

[Pan]

They (obviously) spawn at odd times. So picking something close to the end of window would be the right thing to do.

Thing about these things is that you cannot make it convenient for everyone every time. But if we can make this a thing - 1 each per month - the times will even out and serve U.S., Europe, and even Asia over time.

I think it would be ideal to space them - i.e. First naggy pop each month and third Vox.

And we should roughly, collectively agree on a loot regimen.

But it looks like most of those who kill these two regularly are on board. Who are we missing?

[pogs4ever]

Blood guard/veloci
Second sons

[Erati]

https://i.imgur.com/E0T016U_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high

LOL

Daldaen's champion does wield a Cekenar Claw tho so somewhat worthy :D

[Daldaen]

Cekenar Claw and Dagas.

Highest HP/AC combination for two weapons in this era. Tanksalot is pitiful against Dalbaen.

Too much bag space spent on bandages and rations. Not enough Wort Potions and Wooly Spider Silk Nets.

Let me know when I need to install to fight the good people's fight.