Zlandi Heart - better for necro or enc?

[commongood]

A friend of mine and I were discussing this. Having played both classes to 60 (enc on live, necro on p99) I definitely feel like the item is very good for either class.

For the necro it just ups effeciency increasing the time between having to worry about your life total when in Demi Lich.

For the enc it has no immediate benefit as long as you are not being beaten on. However you will get beaten on. Especially when charm-soloing and having a charm break causes you to drop to ~20% hp before recovering. This leaves a long recovery time before your hp regen up naturally to an acceptable amount for you to responsibly continue what you were doing. The 5 extra regen is a pretty big boon here too.

What are some of your thoughts?

[Izmael]

I'd say enchanter will see a bigger power increase from this item than a necro, even moreso if the necro is iksar.

Necros can lifetap to heal themselves in many situations (and tap an eye if anything), enchanters must sit and painstakingly regen any non-rune lost HP's.

[Endorra]

Like Izmael said, it's great for both, but in different ways.

For necro it's a nice efficiency boost that's useable all the time. For enc, it's a potential live-saver recovery item, but it's not something you'd have all the time due to the stats. Negative CHA is a no-no and the int is nice, but that's all it's got.

As an enchanter main who has played necro, it's frankly way easier to use regen/wort potions as needed than to carry around a 150k+ Zheart just in case.

[Samoht]

An Enchanter would not use a ZHeart as his primary weapon. It would be a situational item that you would only equip during downtime. Use Illusion: Troll instead to regen faster, and if you're needing to regen frequently, you're doing something wrong with Rune and Bedlam (or not using them at all).

A Necromancer can use ZHeart all the time. It's a great investment for them.

Conclusion: Great for Necromancer, situational item that's not worth the price on an Enchanter.

[Triiz]

and if you're needing to regen frequently, you're doing something wrong with Rune and Bedlam (or not using them at all).


^This. I carry Wort Pots and 20hp/tick and 40hp/tick regen pots on my Enchanter at all times and I barely ever use them.

If charm breaks are causing a high level Enchanter to drop to 20% HP routinely they are doing something extremely wrong or fighting unmezzable mobs. Bedlam + Rune 5 is 1050hp that never needs to be regened, the majority of the time pets shouldn't even get through Runes before you get them under control.

20/hp tick regen pots are 70pp per charge for 400hp worth of regen, so for 700pp one ten dose pot will heal for 4,000 hp.

Z Heart's are at least 160k now, for the same price of a Z-Heart a person could buy 228 ten dose 20hp/tick regen pots and heal yourself for more than 914,000 HP's before potions were more costly than a Z-Heart.

The advantage being when you do need the HP the pots will heal you 4x as fast, 20/hp tick vs 5hp/tick, or you'll regen 8x as fast if you're using the 40hp/tick regen pots. Also with pots you dont have to equip a -CHA item for the regen, but the downfall of regen pots is the -INT effect for the 2 mins the regen is active.

Z-Heart is definitely more valuable for Necro that can benefit from it pretty much all the time imo.

[Twochain]

An Enchanter would not use a ZHeart as his primary weapon. It would be a situational item that you would only equip during downtime. Use Illusion: Troll instead to regen faster, and if you're needing to regen frequently, you're doing something wrong with Rune and Bedlam (or not using them at all).

A Necromancer can use ZHeart all the time. It's a great investment for them.

Conclusion: Great for Necromancer, situational item that's not worth the price on an Enchanter.

Eh, i don't know if I agree.

First of all, it's very easy to obtain max Cha even while having z-heart equipped.

Second, you have to consider the most important facet of EQ. Which is Fashion Quest. Z-heart has high level FQ.

Third, 20 int and +5 to resists is awesome.

Add in the regen, which is the most OP stat in p99, i'd say that there is a strong argument that z-heart is BiS over enchanter epic at level 60. I almost never run out of mana, and i'd much prefer to use VoG over epic click haste. There has been numerous times where the regen has saved me soloing, and even during raids. But i've never ran into a scenario where I would have survived if i had click haste instead of VoG.

[branamil]

Eh, i don't know if I agree.

First of all, it's very easy to obtain max Cha even while having z-heart equipped.

Second, you have to consider the most important facet of EQ. Which is Fashion Quest. Z-heart has high level FQ.

Third, 20 int and +5 to resists is awesome.

Add in the regen, which is the most OP stat in p99, i'd say that there is a strong argument that z-heart is BiS over enchanter epic at level 60. I almost never run out of mana, and i'd much prefer to use VoG over epic click haste. There has been numerous times where the regen has saved me soloing, and even during raids. But i've never ran into a scenario where I would have survived if i had click haste instead of VoG.

VoG plz

[Samoht]

Third, 20 int and +5 to resists is awesome.
I almost never run out of mana

So the INT is almost always useless, then. Sounds like a Zheart is going to be about as useful (useless) as FSI. Good players will argue it's not necessary, and any race can play Shaman/SK/Warrior well. Bad players will use it as a crutch and claim it's OP.

I can find better ways to spend 200k than a mostly vanity item that will be useful less than 1% of the time. Like I said before, if you can't stay at full health using just Bedlam/Rune5/Trollform, then you're doing something wrong.

And getting to 255 CHA might be trivial, but staying there while raising your AC/HP is not. Is there any chance you have a Magelo to this magical Enchanter that still has 205 unbuffed CHA while wearing a Zheart? If you're wearing JC made trash CHA items, I'm going to nix that outright.

[Twochain]

So the INT is almost always useless, then. Sounds like a Zheart is going to be about as useful (useless) as FSI. Good players will argue it's not necessary, and any race can play Shaman/SK/Warrior well. Bad players will use it as a crutch and claim it's OP.

I can find better ways to spend 200k than a mostly vanity item that will be useful less than 1% of the time. Like I said before, if you can't stay at full health using just Bedlam/Rune5/Trollform, then you're doing something wrong.

And getting to 255 CHA might be trivial, but staying there while raising your AC/HP is not. Is there any chance you have a Magelo to this magical Enchanter that still has 205 unbuffed CHA while wearing a Zheart? If you're wearing JC made trash CHA items, I'm going to nix that outright.

200k? More like one day's worth of dkp.

[Triiz]

I do have to agree Z-Heart is probably BIS fashion quest.

I'd still probably use pots though. 20hp/tick or 40hp/tick > 5hp/tick when you need it, which shouldn't be very often.

[Naethyn]

Zheart is the best enchanter primary.

[Samoht]

Zheart is the best enchanter primary.

Far from it. It has none of the stats an Enchanter is looking for (it actually goes negative on them). An Enchanter should never need regen, and if they did, 5/tick is hardly enough to make a difference in a life or death situation.

Putting a Zheart on an Enchanter is epeen at the most.

[Naethyn]

Enchanters need regen the most.

[EQsale]

Far from it. It has none of the stats an Enchanter is looking for (it actually goes negative on them). An Enchanter should never need regen, and if they did, 5/tick is hardly enough to make a difference in a life or death situation.

Putting a Zheart on an Enchanter is epeen at the most.

Can we get the name of ur enchanter cause rejenning HP quick between repops when you 20%hp n deep in a zone soloing is priceless

[Samoht]

rejenning HP quick between repops when you 20%hp n deep in a zone soloing is priceless

Zheart would not be the optimal item to use in this situation. The regen is not quick. Not in the slightest.

[EQsale]

Honest question do you even have a 60 enchanter?

[Samoht]

Honest question do you even have a 60 enchanter?

Yes. With Epic. Do you?

[EQsale]

Sure do epic n zheart n being able too +6 rejen might seem small but it's saved me alot of deaths when soloing emp/herio/felspine ect ect might be situational but I still wouldn't part with it

[Samoht]

Pots > Zheart. Zheart is just an epeen item for an Enchanter.

[Triiz]

Sure do epic n zheart n being able too +6 rejen might seem small but it's saved me alot of deaths when soloing emp/herio/felspine ect ect might be situational but I still wouldn't part with it

Deep in a zone I'd rather regen 800hp in 2 minutes instead of 800hp in 16 minutes from Z-Heart regen.

If potions didn't exist sure Z-Heart would be invaluable for when you do need regen, but fortunately pots do exist and they are made from materials that can all be bought from vendors and they're not really that expensive.

[commongood]

Pots > Zheart. Zheart is just an epeen item for an Enchanter.

You say that but clearly it's relative to the price. I mean you would obviously have a Zheart in your bags if it cost 500pp, no?

So if we are disregarding money I can't see how anyone could deny that it would be - at least situationally - useful to carry a Zlandi Heart in your backpack as a chanter.

I do, however, feel like my OP was answered and I believe it is an item that will benefit the avarage necromancer more than the average chanter.

[Twochain]

VoG plz

wow

[GinnasP99]

What other item should necromancers save up for if not for Z Heart by the way?

Scythe of the shadowed soul

[Life617]

It's more beneficial for the necro. It is also more than just a fashion quest item for enchanters, there is rng you're bound to get hit at some point no matter how good you think you are.

[Naethyn]

As a solo necro with low health you can just pull life tap and continue. A low health solo enc has to wait on regen.