What era is The Hole, and will it potentially be implemented here?

[CHusk2]

Hey everybody,

I'm all about Odus and spent a lot of time on live in places like the Warrens & to a much lesser extent, the Hole.

I was wondering what era the Hole is, and if it may one day be implemented here if it's not already.

Thanks,
Alkaiser Bainofmistmoore 36 cleric of Prexus

[Zadrian]

The Hole came out during Kunark.

[quenyar]

Shortly after Kunark release as I recall it.

[Goobles]

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@ 2.58.

Hole before Kunark.

I win. I want my loots back.

[karsten]

grats goobles, first p99 player in the hole!

[binibren]

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@ 2.58.

Hole before Kunark.

I win. I want my loots back.

Interesting but the dev is wrong. Kunark was 4/17/2000 and The Hole didn't come out until 6/22/2000. You can see it here in the patch notes on Allakhazam (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2000-1.html) or look it up in Everlore in the Wayback Machine.

[karsten]

yeah the hole was definitely after kunark

[Zadrian]

Interesting but the dev is wrong. Kunark was 4/17/2000 and The Hole didn't come out until 6/22/2000. You can see it here in the patch notes on Allakhazam (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2000-1.html) or look it up in Everlore in the Wayback Machine.

I miss Everlore so much =(

[Nedala]

lol stupid soe devs dont even know when the hole came out

[nilbog]

On their own timeline, they placed it after Velious. I do not understand whats up with them, but I do know it was post-Kunark lol.
It will be implemented when the time comes. (Couple of months after Kunark release)

http://livinglegacy.station.sony.com/images/eq/nine_year_timeline.jpg

JUNE 22, 2000

<hr size="1"> The Hole:

We are pleased to announce the opening of The Hole, a high-level dungeon on the continent of Odus. The Hole is a complementary addition to EverQuest, available to all subscribers regardless of their Kunark status. The files necessary to enter The Hole are available via the "Optional Patch" button at the bottom of the patch program interface. The files are quite large (about 9MB total), so if the download is going slowly, you may want to postpone downloading the files until later.
As mentioned above, The Hole is a high-level dungeon, designed to support characters starting at about level 40. It should be regarded as extremely dangerous. As a note, jumping in The Hole from Paineel is NO LONGER A SHORTCUT TO TOXXULIA FOREST. The GMs will not recover corpses for people who fall, or jump, or attempt to levitate into The Hole.
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000622.html

[binibren]

On their own timeline, they placed it after Velious. I do not understand whats up with them, but I do know it was post-Kunark lol.
It will be implemented when the time comes. (Couple of months after Kunark release)

I think their documentation from the era was spotty at best. IIRC they even managed to lose all of the source prior to Velious or so. They must have been using VSS. :) My guess is they're relying on human memory which is always suspect (I know I don't trust mine).

The Allakhazam patch notes are a great historical archive but if you want something even more definitive here is a Wayback Machine link to Graffe the day after the Hole was released (http://web.archive.org/web/20000918121320/www.graffe.com/home/June23rd2000.htm).

[Never]

"The files are quite large (about 9MB total), so if the download is going slowly, you may want to postpone downloading the files until later."

I remember playing EQ on 56K. Hilarious.

[Jenni D]

the devs look so chic

[Kender]

it definately came out either on or before epics were introduced as there are quest mobs in there for some classes

[Teensy Weensy]

I thought it launched when epics did

[Hoggen]

The second dev from the right is the guy that had the invincible WoW character on SouthPark. I'm sure of it.

[binibren]

I thought it launched when epics did

Epics didn't come out until mid-September 2000.

[guineapig]

All of this time line stuff has been covered to death. I think I've copied and pasted the dates at least 50 times on these forums over the past 16 months. The info is definitely easy to find.

[skipdog]

"The files are quite large (about 9MB total), so if the download is going slowly, you may want to postpone downloading the files until later."

I remember playing EQ on 56K. Hilarious.

Haha, this has me cracking up. I remember disconnecting to call a friend and tell him to get online, LOL!

[t0lkien]

"The files are quite large (about 9MB total), so if the download is going slowly, you may want to postpone downloading the files until later."

I remember playing EQ on 56K. Hilarious.

56K! Luxury!

Some of us started on 14.4...

[Hasbinbad]

14.4K! Luxury!

Some of us started on 1200 baud...

[guineapig]

I used to play via U.S Postal Service.
Took me 2 days to find out that I lost the battle with the orc pawn.

[Messianic]

I used to play via U.S Postal Service.
Took me 2 days to find out that I lost the battle with the orc pawn.

Correspondence MMOs.

You're in our envelope now.

[Malrubius]

14.4K! Luxury!

Some of us started on 1200 baud...

300 here :eek:

[azeth]

I used to play via U.S Postal Service.
Took me 2 days to find out that I lost the battle with the orc pawn.

USPS! luxury!
carrier pigeon mmo vet here.

[Malrubius]

USPS! luxury!
carrier pigeon mmo vet here.

Living carrier pigeons?

[Stefen]

Wow, that video is really* hard to watch without cringing.

[Hasbinbad]

Living carrier pigeons?
azeth is at least 100 years old.

[guineapig]

USPS! luxury!
carrier pigeon mmo vet here.

Oh yeah? :mad: Well... hold on, I'll think of something...

[Hasbinbad]

Oh yeah? :mad: Well... hold on, I'll think of something...
Signal fires?

[Ruinous]

Signal fires?

I see your signal fires, and raise you an AOL.

Good day, sir!

[Hasbinbad]

Camel caravan?

[guineapig]

Signal fires?

That would have been a good one... think I need to bow out

[Henini]

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haha ehh umm this is sad!


wow naggy and vox down 7 days in. this is even sadder then I thought it would be. wtf!!!!

took weeks to get 50 before, even when you knew what you were doing.

this is so fail!

[guineapig]

I remember when LoY came out.
Our server had a level 65 Guktan cleric with Epic and I forget how many AA's in 3 days.

This of course was a round the clock guild effort with people taking shifts but still.

Actually, I'm guessing that similarly some group of people will get together and PL an Iksar to 50 then grind to 60 round the clock in order to get some sort of worthless server first.

[Messianic]

I remember when LoY came out.
Our server had a level 65 Guktan cleric with Epic and I forget how many AA's in 3 days.

This of course was a round the clock guild effort with people taking shifts but still.

Actually, I'm guessing that similarly some group of people will get together and PL an Iksar to 50 then grind to 60 round the clock in order to get some sort of worthless server first.

I kind of want to get an iksar warrior to 60 before Velious just because that class/race combo will be pretty rare.

But then again, so are gnome warriors.

[ElanoraBryght]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches.html
Kunark April 24
The Hole June 22

A few other "not until after Kunark in Classic" dates -
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2000-2.html
Rangers get Double Bow damage on rooted targets July 19
Keys no longer remain on corpses July 19
Epics added September 19