Making a rogue. Dorf or Barb?

[Jauna]

I have a failed Ranger project from like a year ago and have lots and lots of str chainmail/rogue stuff, even an offhand. I dunno how important DEX is, but damn that stam.

So if DEX is important and stuff, dwarf sounds nice because barrel rolls and shit
And if not, rogue smash.

Thoughts?

[Lhancelot]

I have a failed Ranger project from like a year ago and have lots and lots of str chainmail/rogue stuff, even an offhand. I dunno how important DEX is, but damn that stam.

So if DEX is important and stuff, dwarf sounds nice because barrel rolls and shit
And if not, rogue smash.

Thoughts?

Bearded dwarf female for the hot au natural hippie look plus great melee stats if you a dirty casual that will not be wearing BiS gears anytime soon.

Barb female for massive boobs, stamina, and strength. Great if you never plan to join a raid guild and need the stats. Slam is pretty useless but nice to have just because.

Gnome female for miniature cutesy slaughterhouse fun. Looking through walls bonus fun times. Also can wear robes. Stats pitiful, but STR is easy to get.

[GinnasP99]

Dwarf for barrel rolls imo, do the brown hair with bangs face for the best DE version

[Tupakk]

Halfling all the way

[GinnasP99]

Speaking of rogues, anybody have a list of all the mobs in the game that see through sneak/hide ? So far all I know is NtoV flurries and some mobs in plane of hate. Is there any that I'm missing ? (ohh, the dogs in chardok too)

[Tupakk]

Speaking of rogues, anybody have a list of all the mobs in the game that see through sneak/hide ? So far all I know is NtoV flurries and some mobs in plane of hate. Is there any that I'm missing ? (ohh, the dogs in chardok too)

Bats in SolB

[Jauna]

I got sucked in by the titty argument. And I guess hero bracers. and slightly higher stamina, and hero bracers.

[skarlorn]

dwarves have barrel roll lmao it's the way to go obviously.

[Scoojitsu]

Do the females also barrel roll?

[Jimjam]

only male, iirc.

If barbarian females could take beards it would be an easy choice, but sadly they can't.

[Samoht]

I have a failed Ranger project from like a year ago and have lots and lots of str chainmail/rogue stuff, even an offhand. I dunno how important DEX is, but damn that stam.

So if DEX is important and stuff, dwarf sounds nice because barrel rolls and shit
And if not, rogue smash.

Thoughts?

DEX is virtually worthless for a Rogue.

Dwarf for higher MR. Dump starting points into STA. Gear for STA/HP/MR/STR.

[maskedmelonpai]

pretty sure dwarf have bigger boobs tbh.

[Jauna]

Well if dex is worthless, think im going barbarian. sta all the way

[Tupakk]

DEX is not worthless. Good for proccing especially when you are the slower or the stunner.

Or trying to hammer fast to get to OT.

Only stat useless on a Rog is INT.

[skarlorn]

female dwarves DO NOT barrel roll, and even though they are beautiful, this makes them much weaker toons than dwarf males.

Check out my guide on how to play a dwarf rogue on the project 1999 blue server (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256611)

[Cecily]

DEX is not worthless. Good for proccing especially when you are the slower or the stunner.

Or trying to hammer fast to get to OT.

Only stat useless on a Rog is INT.

I've never seen a rogue slow / stun something important.
Snare is kinda good tho.

[Samoht]

DEX is virtually worthless. Period.

Dwarf MR bonus > Barb STA bonus.

[bumtrumpet]

Barrel Roll or bust. It's just like ogre stun immunity, nothing else in the game can duplicate it.

[Jauna]

Barrel Roll or bust.

I have chosen female barbarian bust. Between the higher STA, just had to roll with it.

[Tupakk]

I've never seen a rogue slow / stun something important.
Snare is kinda good tho.

Farming solo Rogs all the time , ALL DAY ( best Schmidt voice )

[Bummey]

Speaking of rogues, anybody have a list of all the mobs in the game that see through sneak/hide ? So far all I know is NtoV flurries and some mobs in plane of hate. Is there any that I'm missing ? (ohh, the dogs in chardok too)

Don't trust most of the See Hide tags in the wiki. Someone bad and wrong put a bunch of those in. I remove them when I can, and update them for mobs that see through hide.

Bats and fire giants in Nagafen's Lair
Liches, banshees, Maestro, and Innoruuk in Plane of Hate
Chokidai (scaled wolves) in Chardok
Apparently some goos in Charasis but I've never been seen
Most dragons in ToV (dunno exactly since I've never seen them up long enough to attempt a con) and some drakes in NToV.

Probably a few more, but these are the most notable I can recall off the top of my head. If I remember any more I'll make a new reply.


p.s. assling is the best. gnome is also acceptable.

[loramin]

Don't trust most of the See Hide tags in the wiki. Someone bad and wrong put a bunch of those in. I remove them when I can, and update them for mobs that see through hide.

Keep in mind that this server (and its wiki) has been around for a long time. Lots of mechanics, including which mobs see through hide, have changed over time. So, it's quite possible that those tags actually were correct once upon a time, not put in by "someone bad."

But in any case, kudos to you for fixing them!

[Bummey]

Keep in mind that this server (and its wiki) has been around for a long time. Lots of mechanics, including which mobs see through hide, have changed over time. So, it's quite possible that those tags actually were correct once upon a time, not put in by "someone bad."



Fair enough!

[deadlycupcakez]

are you playing red? female barb for sure, slam and high str (having buffs is NEVER a sure thing when you could be PVPd randomly) is pretty nice!

human also a great rogue for fashion quest

[Tnair]

As a dark elf rogue, who has never seen another real dark elf rogue, this thread title makes me sad hahaha

That said, barbs get SWEET cultural armor and also access to throwing boulders, afaik the highest damage throwing weapon for those throwing crits. But you'll always know that you're not a real dark elf, under your mask.

[Tnair]

DEX is not worthless. Good for proccing especially when you are the slower or the stunner.

Or trying to hammer fast to get to OT.

Only stat useless on a Rog is INT.


Procs are never going to make or break your rogue experience, BUT they are still fun to have more of. DEX also improves your skill-up chances (and success rate??) for some tradeskills like Tailoring and Fletching.

INT also improves your skill-up rate, or WIS if higher...so INT is useless to get on purpose but it's not 100% wasted if you start with a higher INT race. Ask a troll or ogre about learning tradeskills sometime =(

[GraveD]

DEX also improves your skill-up chances (and success rate??) for some tradeskills like Tailoring and Fletching.


Tailoring is contingent upon WIS/INT.

[Tnair]

Tailoring is contingent upon WIS/INT.


Fletching, Poison Making, Jewlery, and Pottery have all been claimed to have Success Rate affected by Dex by guides recommending how to reduce the cost of learning (I've never tested any of these)

Skill-up rate is INT/WIS, as far as I know for everything?

Is Tailoring both skillup AND success rate by INT/WIS or are you saying that there's no stat-based success-rate component to Tailoring, only the improvement of skillup chance through INT/WIS?

[StephenD]

Dark Elf rogue. All the others are just wanabes.

[Samoht]

Dark Elf rogue. All the others are just wanabes.

All Rogues are Dark Elfs. Unless they're High Elfs.