Largo's Absonant Binding

[astuce999]

is currently being blocked from landing by any type of slow spell from another character (tested multiple shaman slows).

Since it has multiple components (ac and agi debuff, snare, slow), special attention needs to be given to this song as it classicly stacked with all other types of slows/snares/debuffs.

cheers!

[Pyrocat]

Please provide some evidence that the AC / AGI debuff / Snare component of the song remained if the mob already had a higher level slow.

[astuce999]

searching the web so far I found :

http://eqmessageboard.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/1283

Only One Slow

Just like there are restrictions on stacking of hastes, there are also restrictions on stacking of slow spells. The restriction is this: only the highest percentage of slow spells will be in effect on any one creature. In short, bard hastes and enchanter/shaman hastes dont stack at least, the slow component of them doesnt. Again, like with some bard haste songs, the other parts of the slow song, AC debuff, snare, etc. will still be in effect even if the slow component is not. Thus, if you cast Languid Pace (30% slow) and sing Selos Chords of Cessation (20% slow), the creature will be slowed only 30%. However, the damage-over-time effect of Chords of Cessation will still be working. I did another experiment to verify this.

Experiment Two

Picking on greyhoppers again, I had one attack me and just let him beat on me while I recorded in my log every swing he took, hit or miss. I then applied various kinds of slow at different times, with my enchanter friends help, and parsed the logs. I removed all kicks and bashes and double attacks (turning them into single attacks) to produce a raw score.

Unslowed (0%): 22 swings per minute.

Largos Absonant Binding (34%) only: 15 swings per minute. (Result: 34%, as expected.)

Tepid Deeds (50%) only: 11 swings per minute. (Result: 50%, again, as expected.)

Largos Absonant Binding (34%) + Tepid Deeds (50%): 11 swings per minute. (Result: 50%. There was no additional slow added by the Absonant Binding. However, the snare and debuff effects seemed to be working just fine.)


there's also an old thread here:

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m;jsessionid=E98B6F13BA7A07407E5C14FDA26882A8 .sdk-msgt27-3609?topic_id=54815

which is actually a post from.... well me... where I was bitching about any slow overwriting Largo's (but then Largo's could be recast np), and then Jareth who was the bard correspondant at the time said was a stacking bug and would be looked into.

This next one is a little gem that I found on http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/haste_stacking.php and it reinforces a lot of my other posts that show problems with bard stacking issues.




This post was made in Bard Talk (Part Three) by Absor:

Bards don't get double attack, instead they get haste. But that haste
doesn't work with an enchanter around. Hence all the requests for more
melee damage, because without that haste, bard melee is unbalanced.

All bard effects stack. This is so universal that there is special code
that says if caster = bard, stack. That's why cantana will go up when
C2 is up, because ALL bard songs stack. Enchanters don't have the same
code, and C2 is 1 mana/tick weaker than cantana so it won't overwrite,
thus C2 bounces.

and another quote from there:


The advantage of bards is not that they don't use mana, this has been
proven many times. The advantage of bards is not in the strength of their
effects, this too has been proven many times. The advantage of bards is
not in the breadth of their abilities, this too has been proven. There
is only ONE strength to bards, and that is stacking.

I guess if the people that play the class don't understand that, we
really can't fault Verant for not understanding it either.


cheers

[astuce999]

bump

[Alaron01]

Bump this is important.

It also doesn't stack with root, which is crazy.

[Uthgaard]

I need some more details on which roots/debuffs it doesn't stack with. I don't see any obvious conflicts with regular root. The more details I get, the more likely it will get fixed completely on the first try.

[astuce999]

(bump)



Overwriting and being overwritten by root (and other snares) is fine, it's classic.

But it should be stacking with any and all slows, right now it is overwritten by all slows, and is blocked by them (spell will not take hold).

'Stuce

[astuce999]

bump,

still not stacking with slows.

'stuce

[Uthgaard]

I have an idea for how to fix it. Will need to talk to a source person and see if it would be better to shift it to a different slot in the spell file or just code the exception in.

[astuce999]

could look at the level 23 song Selo's Consonant Chain which doesn't suffer from the same problem; it has the slow part in slot 3 where as lvl 51 has it as slot 2.

thanks in advance,

'stuce

[Uthgaard]

Ok, that was my main concern, was how the source would handle two slow effects on the same target. Does it cause any problems like one wearing off? Or does it just get ignored due to the higher slow?

[astuce999]

I haven't seen the snare effect removed when a shaman slows a mob I've used the lvl 23 song on, and the mob still hits tremendously slow, so my guess would be only the higher slow is applied and the lower one is ignored (much like hastes).

'stuce

[kanras]

Should be fixed, pending update.