*OFFICIAL* TWIN PEAKS DISCUSSION THREAD (spoilers)

[skarlorn]

I'll kick this thread off by saying that Twin Peaks the Return Delivered.

D-E-L-I-V-E-R-E-D :)

It has the feel of the old show while being EDGY, FRESH, SICC, and FUN (read: woke)

This show is truly Art because it breaks the boundaries of "just a show" and "creeping over into our world."

For instance, Bill Hasting's Website that he and Ruth Davenport ran, actually exists. (http://thesearchforthezone.com/)

I've only had time to read part of one article linked on that site (http://www.grantchronicles.com/astro15.htm) but it directly talks about the Dirty Bearded Woodsmen:

Many have heard the rumors involving the Philadelphia Experiment and there is truth in what happen. The US Military while trying to reduce the radar signature of ships and planes, irradiated different targets with subatomic particles as an unexpected sub process of one of their experiments responsible for the vibrational rate of basic matter. Imperfect as any process found by accident, the field did not have parameters to control the synchronized the movement of matter in the 3 dimensional grid. As matter moved from 3rd density to intermediate levels below the 4th, problems occurred. With a vibrational increased basic matter separates allowing light to diffuse through, thus the ghost like appearances of men trapped in the density shift. Ultimately positional changes by the men exploring their new surroundings found a horrific result, solidification within solid objects due to the test subjects movement while on the other side was not considered when return to 3rd density completed. When controlled by an advanced entity accidents are rare. This is how reports from friendly encounters of being able to pass through solid objects is achieved.

On the topic of show plot structure, I am a person who has come around to absolutely loving Dougie. It's like Coop's brain has been totally boiled down and we see what he is at his absolute core - a good hearted playboy. The fact that Coop survived "being passed through a solid object" and not turning into a ghost confirms that he, in fact, is an 'advanced entity.'

I think it's very likely at this point (ep12 aired last night) we won't see good Coop return until e15.

Meanwhile: Diane is playing Double Agent for Evil Coop. What the fuck is the deal with that? It sounds like some dark shit went down when Evil Coop visited her 25 years ago, but she's secretly loyal to him? I'll be interested to hear your theories about this... and we can't really know what Albert and Gordon are up to trying to trap her in the Blue Rose Friend Squad, but they're definitely up to something!

[skarlorn]

Note: in TP, there is the topic of 'Blue Rose', which means there are apparently paranormal things going on. I cannot remember, off the top, what the name of the FBI's fictional investigation into UFOs and the paranormal was in the 1970s, but it's based off of a real, similarly named Project Blue Book (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book)

[Sage Truthbearer]

Overall I have been enjoying the return but I lose a little bit of faith each and every week that there continues to be no significant plot progression. I mean we are already over 2/3rds into the season which is pretty late in the game, so it's really irritating that none of the story lines have come together yet. Maybe I'm impatient, but the pacing of the show has just been so sluggish compared to the original or the movie and so many episodes felt like filler, dragged on, or flat-out bored me. I'll withhold final judgement until the end though.

[Baler]

To climb the tallest mountain one must become the tallest mountain.

[skarlorn]

For the people who complain not enough forward plot progression, this was actually a hallmark of the Lynch/Frost Twin Peaks world.

See episode where Cooper realizes who killed Laura Palmer, then forgets.

The studio forced them to reveal the killer early in Season 2, and that's when the show went downhill into cheesy sideplots. I guess some people liked this, but I enjoy it much more when I am basically getting spooned by Lynch as he whispers weird shit into my ear after stuffing All my Donut Holes.

Sure, some episodes are slow, but the slowness allows for a tremendous expanse of emotional depth shown via actors (see Ben's performance after the Sherriff gave him the bad news)

[Baler]

Skarlorn your forum quality has tripped in the past year alone.
Keep it up.

[beyondinfin]

This is the Water
And this is the Well
Drink full and Descend
THe horses is the white of the eyes
And Dark within

*Head smash*

My fav episode so far, so fucking weird and strange. Gotta love it when Lynch is able to dazzly us with his crazy visuals (which he hasnt done in FOREVER).

I was thinking about it and I am wondering if they could possibly do another season? Do you think they will just wrap it all up this year or could it be possible? (PLEASE LYNCH MAKE MORE ANYTHING!)

[skarlorn]

I really liked the last episode. Some good old fashioned Arm-Wrassling for tribe dominance, and Artie finally coming clean was great. That actor did a great job with his character.

What's up with the ladies of the Double R diner getting with sleazy D Bags? Norma is a real C8nt leaving My lad Large Eddi all alone sipping his soup in the gas station that LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE GAS STATION WHERE THE DIRTY BEARDED MEN WALKED AROUND IN EP 8

[nilbog]

Didn't know this thread existed.


Okay so, was Jack Rabbit's Palace the same spot where Major Briggs and Cooper went camping in the old series and/or a portal to the white lodge?

[skarlorn]

I am willing to bet 1kplat that Cooper is restored next episode.

[Patriam1066]

I'm not caught up yet but I rewatched episode 8 in preparation for the flood in Houston

I'm gonna have to rewatch Lynch's old movies this shit is a trip

[beyondinfin]

I am willing to bet 1kplat that Cooper is restored next episode.

Been hoping for like last 6 Sundays :)

[skarlorn]

I am willing to bet 1kplat that Cooper is restored next episode.

called it

[nilbog]

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[skarlorn]

I had no idea this existed. I am I need of a new show so may give this a whirl.

I just watched a show call "Ozarks" on netflixs that I would recommend if anyone is looking for a TV show (its only 1 season so far)

Yeah, Ozarks was really, really good! Make sure you try out the orig Twin Peaks before starting the Return, though it sounds like you may have already.


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Lol... Quoted from the p99 Dev/GM Skype after a day of raid petitions, I'm sure ;)

[beyondinfin]

I didnt even know it was ending tomorrow til just now! Is this amazing season really gonna end? : ( How many unanswered questions will be left over?

[AzzarTheGod]

*daps thread*

Still getting caught up on the show IRL survival has had me buggin living in a world no different than a cell

[Utmost]

Can someone plz explain wtf is going on. Remember the glass cube in the apartment waaay back in the first couple episodes? Seems like years ago.

[skarlorn]

So how about that ending

[Sage Truthbearer]

I actually loved the ending. We got a lot of closure in Pt. 17 (Good Coop wakes up, Evil Coop is defeated, Ed and Norma get their happy ending, the end of Bob once and for all, Naido is revealed to be Diane and reunited with Coop).

Pt. 18 was insane and took me a few days to absorb. My interpretation of Pt. 18 is that Cooper goes back in time to save Laura from ever being killed in the first place. As he's leading her by hand to the White Lodge, she's stolen away by Sarah Palmer (who is being possessed by Judy) who hides her in an alternate universe. Coop figures this out and decides to follow Laura into the alternate reality where Sarah/Judy hid her. But after he and Diane cross into Judy's dimension, everything instantly changes. Diane sees Coop as a stranger now and thinks his name is Richard. In the next scene at the diner, we Coop is not the same Coop we knew before. He seems cold, and the way he takes out the bad guys is a bit too badass for Good Coop. He lacks any compassion with the waitress and he points his gun at innocent people. Almost like he's half Evil Coop, half Good Coop.

He ends up finding Laura, but she goes by the name Carrie and lives in Texas. Carrie has no idea who Laura Palmer or Leland Palmer are, but she gets nervous when Coop mentions the name Sarah. There's also a corpse in her house and white horse figure on her mantle. Coop asks her to go with him to Laura's old house in Twin Peaks, WA and she agrees. When they finally arrive, a stranger answers the door. No Sarah, no Leland, no Palmers anywhere to be found. In the final scene, Cooper seems confused and defeated, finally asking "What year is it?" Maybe it's a riddle that prompts what happens next, or maybe it's coincidence, but we hear someone that sounds like Sarah Palmer say “Laura?” off in the distance and Carrie screams as if she just remembered who she really is. And that's the end of the show. A million new questions raised, I hope there's a next season to explore the Judy world.

[Patriam1066]

I actually loved the ending. We got a lot of closure in Pt. 17 (Good Coop wakes up, Evil Coop is defeated, Ed and Norma get their happy ending, the end of Bob once and for all, Naido is revealed to be Diane and reunited with Coop).

Pt. 18 was insane and took me a few days to absorb. My interpretation of Pt. 18 is that Cooper goes back in time to save Laura from ever being killed in the first place. As he's leading her by hand to the White Lodge, she's stolen away by Sarah Palmer (who is being possessed by Judy) who hides her in an alternate universe. Coop figures this out and decides to follow Laura into the alternate reality where Sarah/Judy hid her. But after he and Diane cross into Judy's dimension, everything instantly changes. Diane sees Coop as a stranger now and thinks his name is Richard. In the next scene at the diner, we Coop is not the same Coop we knew before. He seems cold, and the way he takes out the bad guys is a bit too badass for Good Coop. He lacks any compassion with the waitress and he points his gun at innocent people. Almost like he's half Evil Coop, half Good Coop.

He ends up finding Laura, but she goes by the name Carrie and lives in Texas. Carrie has no idea who Laura Palmer or Leland Palmer are, but she gets nervous when Coop mentions the name Sarah. There's also a corpse in her house and white horse figure on her mantle. Coop asks her to go with him to Laura's old house in Twin Peaks, WA and she agrees. When they finally arrive, a stranger answers the door. No Sarah, no Leland, no Palmers anywhere to be found. In the final scene, Cooper seems confused and defeated, finally asking "What year is it?" Maybe it's a riddle that prompts what happens next, or maybe it's coincidence, but we hear someone that sounds like Sarah Palmer say “Laura?” off in the distance and Carrie screams as if she just remembered who she really is. And that's the end of the show. A million new questions raised, I hope there's a next season to explore the Judy world.

Probably the best post I've ever read on p99

[beyondinfin]

There definitely seems to be multiple timelines goin on all season, like at the RR Diner when the guy yells for Billy. What bugs me is what the hell was up with Audreys story at all? Yeah alt timeline maybe, but still, it doesnt have much context to anything. I also think the guy in jail who kept copying what everyone said was like Dougie at the beginning of the season (Billy?) and he got there from some other timeline. Strangely he did not show up with everyone else in the SHeiffs office, which I find strange.

Id love another season, but it seems it was all purposefully vague (classic Lynch). It's also amazing how similar the Return was with Mullholand Dr. I picked up the Secret History of Twin Peaks book, which is actually pretty interesting. I also heard another book by Frost is gonna be released, might help tie up some loose ends. At least we FINALLY talked about Judy!

[beyondinfin]

https://medium.com/@onantiad/episodes-17-18-of-twin-peaks-the-return-are-meant-to-be-watched-in-sync-81352ce38e8

I found this article about the final 2 episodes apparently syncing up. With that context it actually explains what is going on with this multi timeline/parallel universe plot better. I remember earlier in the season there was 2 scenes that also almost perfectly synced up. It was when mother(Judy?) came into the box and murdered the couple and Cooper in nowhere just before he went into the socket to become Dougie. There is probably more syncing goin on in the series... God I love Lynch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-BDU-TvlTg