Reroll my monk?

[chris61]

Hi, I currently have a lvl35 human monk that I had distributed his starting points into str/agi. And I see a lot of people say go all sta. I'm wondering what the general consensus is, is it worth to start over and load up stamina?

[Samoht]

How long did it take you to get to 35? Your forum join date says Aug 2013, so 4 years? No, you'll never get to 35 again. You'll never cap out your STA, anyway, so it doesn't make any difference, really.

But if you're some kind of tunnel fat-cat, though, and you just made the character last week and paid for orc scalps and goblin ears and PL to get to 35, then sure, why not.

[chris61]

I'm sure I could level in a month or so give or take with gnoll fangs

[chris61]

I more or less wanted to know if people thought the difference is significant enough to make a difference

[maskedmelonpai]

no it not matter. resists are of more important than anything else for monk survive kitty at end game cause you not gonna be gettin hit on the regular by anything other than ae spells ^^ hp handy liek if you on ramp on a small target or are tankin group content or pulling trash for lower end raids though :3 not worth rerolling ^^

[Jimjam]

No one is going to notice how you distributed your stat on your human monk.

They might notice you are short on tail, but not stamina.

[loramin]

6 posts and no "re-roll Iksar" comments? Forum is slipping. (EDIT: Oh Jimjam did mention it, just subtly.)

I agree that the stats don't matter, but regen (potentially) does. I'm a big believer in playing whatever race appeals to you, but IF you're concerned about min/maxing then you should consider re-rolling Iksar.

[chris61]

I always played an iksar monk on live and wanted to play a human, but perhaps I should just reroll iksar.

[Cecily]

Not worth the hit to appearance.

[maskedmelonpai]

Not worth the hit to appearance.

QFE. human 100x better than lizard and no amount regeneration ever gonna make up for havin to look liek that :c

[Ravager]

Don't reroll. Just roll another and play both. You can never have too many monks.

[Baler]

If you're considering re-rolling,.. DO IT BEFORE YOU GET ANY HIGHER IN LEVEL.
Please listen to this advice. EQ is a big time sink, not say it's a worthless time sink just that things in EQ take time. I know that I'd want an iksar monk vs a human monk myself. The regen is a huge help when you're solo just doing your own thing. and really does help the healers despite how people will try to spin it that the extra regen does nothing,.. when in fact it's doing something every single server tick that you're online.

[Ravager]

20 Sta at 60 for a Monk is +80hp. Just depends if you think it's worth the time to recover those 80hp.

But you're right, would take a month to get back to that level without much work, Baler's right if you want those 80hp, reroll now. People will downplay the value of the sta, but at 60 it's 80hp, at 50 it's 60hp, at 40 it's 40hp. It's not a ton, but you will certainly survive more bad pulls with it than without.

[KEWLGET]

reroll iksar and put points into stamina if you don't think you're going to be covered in velious raid loot, in which case you'd probably want it in dexterity or something dumb like charisma

[xtraball]

Don't reroll. Just roll another and play both. You can never have too many monks.

AMEN !!

[Troxx]

20 stam on a 60 monk is 80hp which isn't as important as many would have you believe.

The only reason I'd consider rerolling is if you don't like your RACE. Iksar regen is really .... really ...... really nice. Having said that, i opted to make my monk human because I prefer the look.

But stats? Fuck that. I didn't put a single point into stamina on my monk and still don't regret it. By the time that stamina starts to pay off (high levels), 80hp will not make much of a difference in terms of survival. The times you might have lived with 80hp was a point in time that you either:

A) Were playing stupidly solo
B) Were grouped with incompetent people (healers) when not solo

Almost all Velious was conquered in Kunark gear and very quickly. Velious gear is not necessary to win velious. For the content in Velious that benefits greatly from Velious gear -- that gear difference isn't found on monks. It is found on tanks and other support classes (Tank hp ... cleric mana). Upgrading from nonraid to raid gear is big hps ... and from kunark to velious is insane hp. 20 stamina means nothing.

Yeah agility is a dumb thing to put starting points into 99% of the time, but dumb stat choices at character creation mean almost nothing in the long run.

[Samoht]

20 stam on a 60 monk is 80hp which isn't as important as many would have you believe.

The only reason I'd consider rerolling is if you don't like your RACE. Iksar regen is really .... really ...... really nice. Having said that, i opted to make my monk human because I prefer the look.

But stats? Fuck that. I didn't put a single point into stamina on my monk and still don't regret it. By the time that stamina starts to pay off (high levels), 80hp will not make much of a difference in terms of survival. The times you might have lived with 80hp was a point in time that you either:

A) Were playing stupidly solo
B) Were grouped with incompetent people (healers) when not solo

Almost all Velious was conquered in Kunark gear and very quickly. Velious gear is not necessary to win velious. For the content in Velious that benefits greatly from Velious gear -- that gear difference isn't found on monks. It is found on tanks and other support classes (Tank hp ... cleric mana). Upgrading from nonraid to raid gear is big hps ... and from kunark to velious is insane hp. 20 stamina means nothing.

Yeah agility is a dumb thing to put starting points into 99% of the time, but dumb stat choices at character creation mean almost nothing in the long run.

You really don't seem to understand the reason why even small increments in STA/HP are important.

[Vexenu]

Who cares about 20 STA? At the end of the day you're a DPS class. If you really want to min/max you should be spending most of your time training your hand strength with buckets of rice and pebbles. This is true wisdom for playing a Monk.

[Samoht]

Who cares about 20 STA? At the end of the day you're a DPS class. If you really want to min/max you should be spending most of your time training your hand strength with buckets of rice and pebbles. This is true wisdom for playing a Monk.

Monk is not a DPS class.

[Jimjam]

You really don't seem to understand the reason why even small increments in STA/HP are important.

Some people might find it helpful if you elaborate on this point.

[maskedmelonpai]

OP, i gonna break it down for you.

99% of people who say go all sta are thoughtless sheep who dunno how to have fun and don't wanna look odd to the rest the sheep.

The other 1% are nerds who think they stumbled on some sorta profound truth an use it to stoke they withered egos.

do 20sta make a difference? sure, but then so do 20agi. is the difference from one greater a impact than the other? sure is. will you find that either gonna make THE difference at any regularity? heck no. do it really matter? no, not unless you seeking some sorta validation. do what you wanna do :3

[Baler]

With end game raid velious gear + level 60 buffs... starting stats mean nothing.
Just starting out with mediocre gear and being non-twinked... those starting stats mean the world.

It just depends on how far you plan to take that character. I said re-roll iksar I stand by that. I think STA is a solid option for people who don't have a guild willing to feed them gear.

[Samoht]

Starting stats mean literally nothing.

Unless you're a min/maxer, and then you'd delete a 35 Human Monk to reroll as Iksar and put all of your starting points into STA.

[maskedmelonpai]

Unless you're a min/maxer, and then you'd delete a 35 Human Monk to reroll as Iksar and put all of your starting points into STA.

this true too. understand though OP, the difference is very very small between starting stats, but there is a difference. iksar regen make a tangible difference that you can actually see in normal gameplay. in late game it mean you not hafta stay feigned for as long if you tryin to navigate difficult places and need regen some health. still not anywhere close to a must have, it just mean you gonna have to spend a extra mend to get back to full hp as a human than an iksar. BUT, you not hafta look funny.

[Ravager]

Another thing to think about with the 80hp the Sta would give you is it adds another 20hp to your Mend, so it's basically an extra 100hp at the end of the game.

[Troxx]

You really don't seem to understand the reason why even small increments in STA/HP are important.

I understand - I just refuse to smoke the min/max crackpipe. If you're chasing magelo supremacy 20 stam to starting stats. If you're a realistic player with half a fucking brain cell ... you'll acknowledge that 20 stam be it 80hp or 160hp (in the grand scheme of things) is nearly 100% irrelevant. 20 stamina never made or broke anything.

Is it worth repeating levels 1-35?

Rofl ...

[Vallanor]

Definitely don't reroll if you're sticking with a human as stats don't matter that much. If you want to be an iksar for the regen (which is pretty OP), that would be understandable.

[Samoht]

If you're a realistic player with half a fucking brain cell ... you'll acknowledge that 20 stam be it 80hp or 160hp (in the grand scheme of things) is nearly 100% irrelevant.

This is cognitive dissonance. If you have any brain cells, you'd know that the stats that matter most for a Monk are STA and then STR, so those are the skills you'd put points into. There's no way to justify not putting the points into STA other than lack of knowledge or inexperience. You state that 160 HP is "100% irrelevant." It's not. But do you know what is 100% irrelevant? Stacking any other stats on a Monk. There are starting stats that will benefit you, especially in the end-game (STA) and there are starting stats that actually will be irrelevant in the end-game (everything not STA). It's pretty straightforward.

[Ravager]

I understand - I just refuse to smoke the min/max crackpipe. If you're chasing magelo supremacy 20 stam to starting stats. If you're a realistic player with half a fucking brain cell ... you'll acknowledge that 20 stam be it 80hp or 160hp (in the grand scheme of things) is nearly 100% irrelevant. 20 stamina never made or broke anything.

Is it worth repeating levels 1-35?

Rofl ...
I thought the whole point of the server was to repeat levels 1-60...

[Sajan]

HP regen is fairly significant anytime you're taking damage considering it's equivalent to having extra gear slots with raw HP in them. Same can be said for Stamina. If I had an extra gear slot to put a Djarn Ring in, I wouldn't be making up excuses to leave it empty.

[Freakish]

I got to level 30 before I realized I had accidentally made my iksar shaman female. I did not re-roll.

[xtraball]

I got to level 30 before I realized I had accidentally made my iksar shaman female. I did not re-roll.

What, you mean that female characters have a penalty ?? :eek:

[Jimjam]

I think you made a mistake Freakish. Female iksars look way cooler than the male ones.

You're not really an iksar IRL, if you have to reroll your gender to be accurate you should have rerolled your race too. Unless you are a transpecial, in which case best of luck to you, 'iksar', and good luck in your surgery to have your nipples removed ;).

[xtraball]

At last, an iksar female in RL...

Looks a bit like a troll actually...

[sofa king]

That pic shoots me back to 2003

[KEWLGET]

an insane amount of dumb opinions in this thread

if you care enough to make a thread asking, then you should reroll iksar and put points into stamina if you do not expect to be decked out in velious raid loot

anyone who says that 20 stamina or iksar race bonses are irrelevant is probably an irrelevant player who does not pull or tank on a monk aka where monk excels and stats matter

the true min/max is dex for faster avatar procs or charisma because every single other stat will be maxed with top tier gear anyway

[Troxx]

Cool story bro

[maskedmelonpai]

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[mefdinkins]

I would re-roll iksar for the regeneration. It's not as huge 1-50 but really makes a difference post 50 and post 55.

I have a 60 human monk that was created before velious and around level 20. I decided not to 'waste my time' rerolling b/c it took me forever to get to 20. That was before I had more established toons, more guildie buddies, and more plat to twink shit out.

After level 20 it was more excuses, I now have jboots to hard to recamp, I now have planar armor, or finished a sky quest or two... I was in too deep. When Velious came out I decided I have to stop the madness, I wouldn't put any additional time into a punk ass human. I created iksar and it's brutal b/c I still don't have level 60 (only 57) I don't have 41% haste (like my human does) and but I have gotten some really good velious items for my new monk and at 57 he's sitting at 2300 hp unbuffed.

I also had to spend a lot of time doing things like jboots, peggy cloak for levi, getting keys and faction but the character is fun and I'm glad I have this iksar monk over maybe twinking out a diff char like a ranger or something. I already have a bunch of characters and some of them underperform so why make another instead of re-rolling. Also I know people who have re-rolled from iksar to human? or they had an iksar and human b/c they had one monk for naggy/vox then decided to level up a different one. to each their own.

I.M.O. Ring 10 is an extremely rare epic-ish item in P99 and Velious so I always thought how frustrated it would be to almost have a free 10th ring worth of regen simply because of the race I chose.

So 1) do what you want, 2) decide if a newer/better monk is better than an alt. It's fun to have diversity like a melee+caster or tank and healer whatever, 3) if it's only stats i wouldn't reroll 4) if you want iksar do it.

[Troxx]

The only reason to consider re-rolling is if you want iksar race for regen and innate ac. Both are incredibly nice for monks. As far as stats go? I'll stand by my assertion that you won't see a functional difference between a human monk who went max stam, max str, max intelligence, max wisdom, max agility, max dexterity, or max charisma in the long run.

Low end actually favors str.

High end favors stamina.

Ultra-high end favors anything you can't easily cap with BIS gear + buffs.

...

As a realist I acknowledge that stats mean very little (functionally) at the high end. Yes, some choices are better than others. Yes, some choices are stupid. At the end of the day +20 to any given yields very little difference and makes/breaks nothing.

:braces_himself_for_min/max_eq_rage

Regardless, stats do not warrant repeating levels 1-35. Race choice? That's the only reason to reroll. Iksar monk > human monk. Having said that, I chose human monk because I prefer the look.

[Itap]

I recently rerolled my 28 human monk to Iksar and hes currently 49. I noticed a huge difference in solo capability right off the bat. Hes not even crazy twinked (RBG, SoS/Ada club, pantherskin). I don't think I've grouped once with him, and I only imagine it will get better 51+ once regen takes off. I may be the minority here but I like the Iksar char models and animations :)

[Lhancelot]

I may be the minority here but I like the Iksar char models and animations :)

I know someone that says this too. I honestly think you guys have jedi mind-tricked yourself into thinking they look awesome.

[Ravager]

I know someone that says this too. I honestly think you guys have jedi mind-tricked yourself into thinking they look awesome.
Yeah, there's definitely some rationalization going on here. I played an Iksar Monk to 51 before I rerolled to a Human because it just looked so damn stupid.

[maskedmelonpai]

well, to be fair, he just say he lieked them. he no say why he do. lizards are goofy looking. maybe he liek the silliness. i tend to think of lizards here as liek dogs or something. every time i see one it make me want to get down on my knees, sit back on my heels and pat my thighs saying, "c'mere lizard! c'mere!" then he come hobblin over all dopily as lizards do, climb up in my lap and lick me all over my face with his stupid lizard tongue as i grimace in a confused mix of disgust and bashfulness.

[Ravager]

well, to be fair, he just say he lieked them. he no say why he do. lizards are goofy looking. maybe he liek the silliness. i tend to think of lizards here as liek dogs or something. every time i see one it make me want to get down on my knees, sit back on my heels and pat my thighs saying, "c'mere lizard! c'mere!" then he come hobblin over all dopily as lizards do, climb up in my lap and lick me all over my face with his stupid lizard tongue as i grimace in a confused mix of disgust and bashfulness.

Fair enough.

[Lhancelot]

well, to be fair, he just say he lieked them. he no say why he do. lizards are goofy looking. maybe he liek the silliness. i tend to think of lizards here as liek dogs or something. every time i see one it make me want to get down on my knees, sit back on my heels and pat my thighs saying, "c'mere lizard! c'mere!" then he come hobblin over all dopily as lizards do, climb up in my lap and lick me all over my face with his stupid lizard tongue as i grimace in a confused mix of disgust and bashfulness.

I will never look at iksar the same again. :p