Iksar worst warrior race

[Kelor]

AC bonus - nobody seems to be even sure this works on here?
Regen - not really that great for warrior
Bad starting stats - low str / low sta / dex is ok but you wont be putting points into it like Ogre can.
No Cobalt armor - clicky unlimited invis ( no more carrying rings around )
- Str buff on boots ( not that great but helps )
- Arm buff ( maybe again more for solo )
- Shrink ( no more carrying ant pots about )

[Samoht]

Wrong on almost all accounts.

[Baler]

Iksar is dope as heck in velious

Ogre still OG raid tank but them iksar perks are prime.
(I have an iksar SK and I learned to love and overcome the haters)

[Lhancelot]

You also forgot to mention how Iksar swing weapons like gimps and run like they got sticks up their asses.

It says a lot when you see who always defends Iksar on the forums.

Like a certain Awakened tank always says, if you can go Ogre for your race, always go Ogre. :)

Ogre > all.

Hidden stats > all.

Long live Ogres!!!

[Itap]

AC bonus - nobody seems to be even sure this works on here?AC is working as intended. Plenty of information here, do a search.

Regen - not really that great for warrior
Innate regen is one of the best racial traits in this game. At 60, an Iksar regens 12hp per tick, standing. Add a Fungi and you're at 27hp per tick, or 16,200hp per hour.

Bad starting stats - low str / low sta / dex is ok but you wont be putting points into it like Ogre can.

Stats can be brought up relatively easy with cheap gear. More options for Iksar now that SoV is out.
No Cobalt armor - clicky unlimited invis ( no more carrying rings around )
- Str buff on boots ( not that great but helps )
- Arm buff ( maybe again more for solo )
- Shrink ( no more carrying ant pots about )
Dont need shrink for an Iksar anyway ;)

[Baler]

^ I want to quote and agree on every line on this.
Just well said.

[Naethyn]

Can't wear Blazing Gauntlets and as such will always have less potential dps.

[skarlorn]

Wrong.

See: Cucumbers

[Troxx]

Hidden stats > all.



:rolleyes:

[Itap]

Wrong.

See: Cucumbers

Nah were talkin Skullmonkey, the OG

[Ravager]

Wrong.

See: Cucumbers

Cucumbers is probably the nicest, most easy going person on this server, but even he can't make Iksars cool. Sorry Cucs.

[Triiz]

Can't wear Blazing Gauntlets and as such will always have less potential dps.

Not very familiar with Warriors, but can't Iksars gain the same effect from Berserkers Ring (https://wiki.project1999.com/Berserkers_Ring)?

[Naethyn]

No, berserkers is a click buff and the gauntlets are worn. There is no possible way for iksar to achieve as much ATK as the other races.

[Lhancelot]

No, berserkers is a click buff and the gauntlets are worn. There is no possible way for iksar to achieve as much ATK as the other races.

I realize this might be catastrophic to a min/max player that has access to the BiS items in the game, but honestly how significant is this to a iksar warrior's dps in the end?

[Naethyn]

With only 5 possible ATK items available at the end of this timeline, it leaves the iksars with only 4 instead. While the gains might be minor, it is like that with everything here. For raw numbers overall we are talking about a difference of 3 dps at most. A precision warrior in berserk can do around 140 dps to Vindi with 3 of the 5 attack items. I believe 145 dps will be possible with all 5.

[skarlorn]

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[Lhancelot]

With only 5 possible ATK items available at the end of this timeline, it leaves the iksars with only 4 instead. While the gains might be minor, it is like that with everything here. For raw numbers overall we are talking about a difference of 3 dps at most. A precision warrior in berserk can do around 140 dps to Vindi with 3 of the 5 attack items. I believe 145 dps will be possible with all 5.

I wondered if you had the numbers mapped out, now I know you do. I don't knock you for it, you take your craft very seriously and put a lot of time and effort into understanding this game as best you can. I don't have the attention span to learn the science of this game like you and some others do. :o

[fash]

doesn't matter. Warriors use mallets for aggro. It's the current year.

[skarlorn]

It's the current year.


U an alt account fash or are u just strong poster?

[KEWLGET]

10 atk from ragefire gloves (lol)

vs

~40 more AC that isn't affected by softcap
regen bonus


hmmmmm...........

[Cecily]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Blazing_Gauntlets_of_Fennin_Ro

These seem really really bad compared to other options, ATK or no. Min/Maxing dps on a defensive muppet seems like a waste of time and bag space. And for this argument, it has no practical application for iksars being a poor tank choice.

[Troxx]

Dwarves make the best warriors.

Barrel rolls > all. I do so declare.

[Samoht]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Blazing_Gauntlets_of_Fennin_Ro

These seem really really bad compared to other options, ATK or no. Min/Maxing dps on a defensive muppet seems like a waste of time and bag space. And for this argument, it has no practical application for iksars being a poor tank choice.

That's not his argument. He's flexing his epeen that on tank and spank fights with no AoE, no adds, and with rampage handled well, he can be berserk, hit his disc, and out DPS everybody. It's really only useful in, what, 4, maybe 5 fights currently in the game all raids considered? It's a very hard thing to pull off, though, even in optimal situations. I'm sure that there's really only one person who even cares.

[Cecily]

No, that's his entire argument in this thread. That his warrior can can more efficiently -not- do it's job (dps on joke targets) literally 1% better due to iksar itemization restrictions. He's a bit of a tard and not someone to take advice from. In other words, I agree with you Samoht.

[fash]

U an alt account fash or are u just strong poster?

yes

[Naethyn]

No, that's his entire argument in this thread. That his warrior can can more efficiently -not- do it's job (dps on joke targets) literally 1% better due to iksar itemization restrictions. He's a bit of a tard and not someone to take advice from. In other words, I agree with you Samoht.

I haven't once said an Iksar can't do the job or any race is better any one way or the other. If you even cared what I really think I'd tell you to go to the velious fashion page and pick the one you think looks best - how do you think I ended up human?

The point of my post was simply informative and that was lost on you out of some personal bias you think I have which it simply is not the case.

I'd also like to point out that gnomes having 40% haste arm click is likely the best solo warrior.

edit: you also may not be aware that a precision berserk warrior will out dps all other classes on vindi and long recast velious dragon ae's.

[Cecily]

Yeah, I'm aware of warrior class gimmicks. Lol Vindi.

[ErlickBachman]

The troll is strong in the OP.

[Lhancelot]

I haven't once said an Iksar can't do the job or any race is better any one way or the other. If you even cared what I really think I'd tell you to go to the velious fashion page and pick the one you think looks best - how do you think I ended up human?

The point of my post was simply informative and that was lost on you out of some personal bias you think I have which it simply is not the case.

I'd also like to point out that gnomes having 40% haste arm click is likely the best solo warrior.

edit: you also may not be aware that a precision berserk warrior will out dps all other classes on vindi and long recast velious dragon ae's.

I see your point and appreciate the perspective you bring, most people wouldn't even think about the fact iksar warrior can't reach the top dps due to that racial limitation.

Might not be the most useful tidbit of knowledge for 99% of the server, but it is knowledge so thanks for bringing it.

Also find it funny you main a human, clearly you didn't roll your warrior with min/max in mind. :p

[Cecily]

I see your point and appreciate the perspective you bring, most people wouldn't even think about the fact iksar warrior can't reach the top dps due to that racial limitation.

Might not be the most useful tidbit of knowledge for 99% of the server, but it is knowledge so thanks for bringing it.

Also find it funny you main a human, clearly you didn't roll your warrior with min/max in mind. :p

I have some doubts whether someone with 10 more atk could consistently outdamage someone with 10 less.

[Naethyn]

The mechanic attack provides is increasing your average chance for a higher hit. It is easily the most important stat for DPS. You will surely see a measurable difference in dps with just 10 more attack.

[Lhancelot]

I have some doubts whether someone with 10 more atk could consistently outdamage someone with 10 less.

I guess more than anything I am impressed he had added this info about iksars and he also brought up the gnome only armor with the haste later that was interesting too.

[Cecily]

The mechanic attack provides is increasing your average chance for a higher hit. It is easily the most important stat for DPS. You will surely see a measurable difference in dps with just 10 more attack.

Yeah. 1%. That's an extra 100 damage per 10000.

[Skew]

I have some doubts whether someone with 10 more atk could consistently outdamage someone with 10 less.

All things being equal , on a long enough parse , they will naturally of course do more damage. EQ was always about marginal gains otherwise BIS would never have been the big deal it was.

Title of thread should be expanded to Iksar worst race. And we all know Dark Elves make the best warriors.

[Pyrion]

If you value ATK so much, you should be wolf formed all the time... its +40, 4 times that difference.

[Naethyn]

If you value ATK so much, you should be wolf formed all the time... its +40, 4 times that difference.

Primal Avatar gives 100 attack and it doesn't stack with wolf form.

[Jimjam]

Jimjam wears these gloves, and as he is a strong case study in how not to warrior I'll have to agree with the glove haters.

At least he is consistent; he bitches and whines all the time for wolf form or boon, and even has the surname Dog to inception ad hoc casts.

When the devs leaked the AC calculation that was used prepop/pop era I'm fairly sure it was stated that iksar bonus affected avoidance not mitigation.

I guess it isn't the same here (I do my utmost to avoid raid warrioring) but on live many considered AoW to be unmitigatable. Reason being his attack power far outshone the worn AC that characters could realistically accumulate. Obviously characters here are far better geared than live Velious, but if the same holds even slightly true then this is a huge tick in the box for Iksar should p99 boost their avoidance instead of mitigation, as warriors have a realistic chance of avoiding AoW's attacks even if they have a poor chance to mitigate effectively.

From a non-min max perspective, it is fun for a warrior to get out his blazing armor and pretend he has an iron man suit to throw out fireballs, ds, boost his melee, etc. No iron man suits for iksar.

[Sonderbeast]

60 ikky war here.

Can't confirm. Anything. I just tank shit.

-Draconite

[skarlorn]

60 ikky war here.

Can't confirm. Anything. I just tank shit.

-Draconite

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