Rank Epics in Terms of Obtainability

[commongood]

Okay the premise is this:

You are a NEW player on P1999. It is present day in the life of the server. You have no rich friends on the server. You have just set up your account and you are sitting on the char select screen. Which class you choose will, in part, be influenced by how hard it will be to obtain your epic.

Which epic quest is the most difficult for a new player to obtain? Please elaborate in comments.

[zodium]

Main cleric in any guild, get epic MQ'd on platter.

Solo maybe druid.

[Cecily]

You're gonna have a bad time on anything besides cleric, monk, shaman, or rogue.

In terms of difficulty in order-

Easy
Rogue: Turn in note to guild master. Involves 1 spawnable raid encounter.
Monk: More fights than rogue epic, but all spawnable. Several bottleneck camps.
Cleric: 2 camps. 3 small raids, one of which extremely contested.
Shaman: Mainly a faction grind. 1 bottleneck which is long window highly contested PoFear fight.

Normal
Druid: Easier now. Used to be a nightmare. 2 spawnable raids and a ton of camps / fetch quests.
Ranger: Same quest as druid till very end. 1 spawnable raid and one nightmare bottleneck off Hate minis.
Paladin: Several subquests, faction grind. Fetch items from planes, think one nasty camp in Hole. 2 dragon pieces.
Enchanter: Ton of miniquests. 2 extremely contested long window spawns.

Nightmare
Warrior
Shadowknight
Wizard
Necromancer
Bard
Magician

[commongood]

You're gonna have a bad time on anything besides cleric, monk, shaman, or rogue.

In terms of difficulty in order-

Easy
Rogue: Turn in note to guild master. Involves 1 spawnable raid encounter.
Monk: More fights than rogue epic, but all spawnable. Several bottleneck camps.
Cleric: 2 camps. 3 small raids, one of which extremely contested.
Shaman: Mainly a faction grind. 1 bottleneck which is long window highly contested PoFear fight.

Normal
Druid: Easier now. Used to be a nightmare. 2 spawnable raids and a ton of camps / fetch quests.
Ranger: Same quest as druid till very end. 1 spawnable raid and one nightmare bottleneck off Hate minis.
Paladin: Several subquests, faction grind. Fetch items from planes, think one nasty camp in Hole. 2 dragon pieces.
Enchanter: Ton of miniquests. 2 extremely contested long window spawns.

Nightmare
Warrior
Shadowknight
Wizard
Necromancer
Bard
Magician

Are the Nightmare ones more or less even in terms of pain-in-the-assery? Or would you rank them?

[Skew]

Wizard is less-nightmarish as VS is 3 day spawn and c80% drop rate on staff (used to be 25% drop rate on a 7 day spawn)
Rest is pretty easy tbh apart from needing a bunch of help to do the Broken Golem in fear but thats just numbers , 3 day spawn.

Bard bottle neck is white-scales. Quite a nightmare. On par with necro probably.
Trak guts a lot easier now.

Necro is nightmare - fear golems are more camped now.

Dont know much about SK but that should be the last class u roll if new to server anyway.

Warrior probably hardest before mage even though Queen blade drops EVERY time now. Thats a huge boost (some people found that a harder bottle neck than greenscales) Greenscales still hardest scales to get for the epics that require dragon scales.

Mage epic has its own level of nightmare. Its Rapemare. Just dont roll a mage if you want to be an epic toon.

New to server : roll a rogue (epic is lol) and DPS stacks so you can get a group to exp/guild/raid easy OR cleric (epic bit harder but app to any half decent guild and at 50 theyll do it for you as that clicky is a must)

[Naethyn]

Mage. You can join a decent guild and get every other epic. There are main mages in guilds who have waited years.

[branamil]

What they have done to mages is just cruel. I can't imagine what the original developer was thinking with the wild disparity in epic difficulty

[ErlickBachman]

Who tha fook voted druid? That shit is soooo much easier since the VSR patch.

[Rygar]

Mage epic pet is really powerful to be fair, it used to enrage at low health originally as well.

What I like about the mage epic is it truly is a quest of epic proportion, I wish all the epics were that hard. In my opinion the quests should have taken toons an extremely long time to complete, and keep the items as true best in slot for each class.

I wish some of the effects were different too, more in line with bard how it changes how you play the class, even adding additional effects... Melee would still keep haste and weapon ratios from current epic.

Rogue - adds dimensional shrouding (no mobs can see through h/s, not even gods)

Monk - adds +10% to FD skill, makes flops no longer fail

Ranger - switch to a bow with huge damage ratio to make a range dps class without discipline. Perhaps a clicker to summon a wolf pet

Warrior - kinda wish this was a shield that would proc off bash (high proc rate), proc would be rune V

Paladin - proc a buff that gives Fear immunity to group and big resist bonus

Shadow Knight - proc an undead minion that is high level pet, short duration. Upon death grants the last of its life force to the knight (maybe 200 hp)

Bard - great as is honestly

Wizard - mana free nuke that is high damage, however drains mana from groupmates. Perhaps a check for 800 total mana to drain, in exchange with grant a temporary harvest style buff to replenish some of that mana over 3 ticks. Can lead to some interesting group dynamics

Mage - kind of don't like the 1 pet thing, would prefer some kind of monster summon based of the target that would actually inherit a line of spells or procs or abilities from the target

Enchanter - not quite sure what to do here since so OP a class, maybe can click to instant mez self + all targets in range (PBAoE mez, unresistable regardless of level). Mez would be fixed duration. Make it a great 'oh shit!' Click on a bad pull. Takes enchanter out of the fight along with the train. Heavy agro, all mobs would make enchanter top of hate list when buff drops, so clean up fast. Enchanter would not be affected by spells during this stasis (sorry, no evac)

Necro - would love if it drained all mana (need to be full) and it raised an army of the dead (6 pets) that zerg a target (no pet control)

Druid - tap into mother earth, all targets around druid gain +50 hp / +30 mana per tick, only lasts as long as druid has mana ( drains 70/tick... Druid does not gain from the buff). Could see some great synergy with a necro here.

Shaman - another OP class, not sure what to do. Maybe our focus on group, buff that raises all stat and resist caps by +60

Cleric - would love to get away from CHeal model... Have it work like a bard song for group, all melee and spell damage is dispersed equally to all group members. Could see this making paladins and SKs better raid tank options. Maybe let the damage just do 50% to main target, and rest of it gets dispersed.

[Vallanor]

Wedar, I like the way you think. I don't necessarily agree with every individual point, but the general idea that epic quests should be more consistently "epic" and the effects should be more interesting is dead on. It's also clear the quest makers were not in communication with each other when designing these quests since the difficulty varies so dramatically.

[Cecily]

I'd argue that it was intentional, to an extent. Cleric and rogue epics are the backbone of high end raiding and none of the others are close in necessity.

[mattydef]

You know something is wrong when rogue and SK are tied at 3 votes.

[Vallanor]

I'd argue that it was intentional, to an extent. Cleric and rogue epics are the backbone of high end raiding and none of the others are close in necessity.

True enough. I wouldn't want to raid in a world where cleric epics are as rare as mage epics...

[Cecily]

Are the Nightmare ones more or less even in terms of pain-in-the-assery? Or would you rank them?

Yeah Mage is probably on it's own, Hell difficulty. Things in these categories all involve dragon scales or (formerly) god mob drops. The PoF golems / hate minis, particularly Magi, might as well be considered just as bad as gods for competition. There's no getting around being in a high end loser guild for a long time on these unless you're super rich, which you aren't as a new player.

[Canelek]

I remember SK epic being a real bitch during live Kunark. Fear nightmare drop rates were atrocious and finding Llrahnc (spelling) up was rare indeed.

For p99, Mage.

[skarlorn]

Warrior epic quest felt epic fa sho.

[7thGate]

I'm really curious now, what makes the mage quest so hard? Most of my initial impressions of epic difficulty seem to match the consensus, but I seem to have been off on Mage and Necro by a fair amount as I had them sort of middle of the pack in terms of difficulty based on a casual readthrough of their wiki pages.

[Cecily]

I'm really curious now, what makes the mage quest so hard?

An Elementalist's power comes from the Orb of Mastery. The Elements of Earth, Fire, Wind, and Water are contained within the Orb. The Master of Elements hold the Orb. He can be found in the Plane of Air. No mortal has been able to contain the true power of the Orb. Trilith Magi'kot presented himself to the Master of Elements and the Orb of Mastery. The power of elements brought agony to his mind and body. Magi'kot was not of Balance. Fire burned his eyes unto blindness, Wind put his mind into a spin, Earth entered his body and aged him like the mountains, and finally, Water washed his memories of mortal life away. Failing his test, the Orb exacted its terrible price, and now Magi'kot is part of the Orb.

[maskedmelonpai]

An Elementalist's power comes from the Orb of Mastery. The Elements of Earth, Fire, Wind, and Water are contained within the Orb. The Master of Elements hold the Orb. He can be found in the Plane of Air. No mortal has been able to contain the true power of the Orb. Trilith Magi'kot presented himself to the Master of Elements and the Orb of Mastery. The power of elements brought agony to his mind and body. Magi'kot was not of Balance. Fire burned his eyes unto blindness, Wind put his mind into a spin, Earth entered his body and aged him like the mountains, and finally, Water washed his memories of mortal life away. Failing his test, the Orb exacted its terrible price, and now Magi'kot is part of the Orb.

that sound pretty rough tbh

[Nuggie]

Mage>warrior (based on volume)>sk/necro/bard I'd say for ranking. Pretty much what the poll shows. Not sure why anyone voted on the rest.

[Kalamurv]

[QUOTE=Rygar;2557253
Rogue - adds dimensional shrouding (no mobs can see through h/s, not even gods)

Monk - adds +10% to FD skill, makes flops no longer fail

Shadow Knight - proc an undead minion that is high level pet, short duration. Upon death grants the last of its life force to the knight (maybe 200 hp)

Necro - would love if it drained all mana (need to be full) and it raised an army of the dead (6 pets) that zerg a target (no pet control).[/QUOTE]

Rogues get an AA in later expansions (forget which, but I believe it was luclin) called 'shroud of stealth' (SOS) that basically no mobs can see through, minus a few that were intentionally made to see through SOS...Vex Thall and Ssra Temple come to mind.

Monk FD doesn't fail after ~100 skill points in....any fails afterwards are user error (ie; left autoattack on, timed casters poorly, stood up before mobs reset).

Sk's, warriors, Rangers and not sure which others do get a weapon later on that proc's a pet....sk and war weap is POP, forget where others are from....warrior one is awesome, procs little baby epic's (light sabers floating in the air).

Necros mages shamans and not sure if any others...they get an aa that gives swarm pets in later expansions.

[Sadiki]

lol, people voting for their own classes like Mage isn't the most pain in the ass to get.

[Croco]

Monk FD doesn't fail after ~100 skill points in....any fails afterwards are user error (ie; left autoattack on, timed casters poorly, stood up before mobs reset).


Have you ever played a monk? FD fails all the time after 100 skill.

[Lookingforrez]

Just wondering, what makes the mage epic so hard? Are the targets really difficult to find and kill or are the drops just super rare, or something else?

[Jimjam]

At the moment (since the last patch) it looks like Ranger might be the hardest epic, as currently trade skill combiners are very broken. I've seen a few reports of rangers getting most of their work deleted near the end of the quest.

Consider yourselves warned, rangerlings. Haynar has mentioned a hotfix is being worked on (and is being wrapped up with the variable skill caps fix).

Just wondering, what makes the mage epic so hard? Are the targets really difficult to find and kill or are the drops just super rare, or something else?

AFAIK each fight in the mage epic can probably be done with a single group (though probably not the same group for each fight), in that respect it is not so hard.

The 'difficulty' lies in obtaining the Mastery Staff of Earth; this is the 'planar fight' for the epic. This drops off one of the Hate minis, and rarely so at that. Now this may sound trivial; pop up to hate and cycle the name place holders every 80 hours and eventually you'll get your piece, right?

Well there is a problem, many forces will only go up to Hate if this mini is already up. People are not easily persuaded to go up to hate for the sake of killing PHers. Especially now Velious quest armor is out (hate armor is no longer very desirable at all).

The other problem is Hate is fairly commonly tracked and the respawn timer is slightly random, if you do trigger the mob to spawn, there is a good chance someone will get it before you (and, rub salt in the wound, try sell an MQ to the item you caused to spawn). Oh, and even if you spawn the mini, and get the pull, the vast majority of the time it won't drop the item you want.

[Trungep99]

Necro and mage have many difficult steps to complete

[Vallanor]

Wizard epic is probably the easiest in terms of steps involved. There is a little running around at first that can be completed in about an hour, then it's literally three mobs: VS, Phinny, and the golem in Fear.

The mage epic by comparison has like a hundred little steps. Most aren't a huge deal (earth staff is the biggest epic nightmare in the game though), but you're in for a long slog even if everything goes well.

Comparing the wiki checklist for both those quests is actually pretty hilarious.

[skarlorn]

so mage epic is the hot cheerleader president of school body honors student girl (named majiq) everyone wants to bang, but the only people who bang her are the select big dog alpha males who are just self-destructive enough to blow fat lines (drugs) so they can mad dog the enemy team (get FTE) and score a winning touch down (kill the God of Hate in his own home and take from his corpse the most valuable of treasures)

warrior epic is a super hot chick, hotter than Magiq, her name is Tallan, and she is definitely bi-sexual. If you play your cards right (combine her in the scabbard) you can even have a three-some. She's a bit of a trick (see WTS green scales threads) so don't be surprised if some upstart running-back with a rich dad is suddenly dual wielding your beautiful girlfriend. She is often overhyped for her hotness but probably worth every penny for the increase in your social standing once getting her.

SK is the emo/goth/kawaii babe who has sat next to you for years but you're just too scared to go for her. she's artistic, nihilistic, and sadistic. You heard that in 6th grade she let a dog lick her snatch. The only guys that get her are the ones who wear 100% hot topic clothes and their moms let them have big ass swords at home. But don't be fooled, these dudes are Jacked Alphas even if they dress lame. She's not a slut at ALL, but once she's in your hands you can use her wiles to seduce your enemies and then kidney punch them unawares. Most people don't understand how hard it is to date this girl, nor do they understand the cost of keeping her dank in hot topic and throwing daggers.

Bard is the bangin' flute soloist. This one used to be hard to get until she lost her virginity. Now she realizes she LOVES sex. Went down from a 7 day Bottleneck to a 24 hr bottleneck and you Can Call Her Anytime Bae;) (spawn undead trak). Yes, she is a bit of a hoor and likes gifts such as sterling silver bracelets and rhinestone baubles (white dragon scales).

One of my personal favorites is the wizard epic. The wizard epic is the girl who has been in your home room for the past 10 years. She's a fucking nerd but now she's a nerd with a real honest to god bust. You're more handsome than she is but she's smarter than you. It's real easy to get her to be your GF, all you have to do is Destroy Venril Sathir the Lich of Karnor's Castle and Give her the Pulsating Stone (ask her out). It turns out she gives the best fellatio in the whole Elf School and is well worth the investment! You still won't get invited to any parties, though.

[Lookingforrez]

The OP really should have asked which is the easiest to obtain for a brand new player.

If you're brand new, have no gear, not a lot of friends on p99 (if any) and aren't in a guild capable of hitting high level/high value targets, almost all of the epics are near equal in difficulty.

[skarlorn]

The OP really should have asked which is the easiest to obtain for a brand new player.

If you're brand new, have no gear, not a lot of friends on p99 (if any) and aren't in a guild capable of hitting high level/high value targets, almost all of the epics are near equal in difficulty.

See section: False

[Jimjam]

so mage epic is the hot cheerleader president of school body honors student girl (named majiq) everyone wants to bang, but the only people who bang her are the select big dog alpha males who are just self-destructive enough to blow fat lines (drugs) so they can mad dog the enemy team (get FTE) and score a winning touch down (kill the God of Hate in his own home and take from his corpse the most valuable of treasures)

warrior epic is a super hot chick, hotter than Magiq, her name is Tallan, and she is definitely bi-sexual. If you play your cards right (combine her in the scabbard) you can even have a three-some. She's a bit of a trick (see WTS green scales threads) so don't be surprised if some upstart running-back with a rich dad is suddenly dual wielding your beautiful girlfriend. She is often overhyped for her hotness but probably worth every penny for the increase in your social standing once getting her.

SK is the emo/goth/kawaii babe who has sat next to you for years but you're just too scared to go for her. she's artistic, nihilistic, and sadistic. You heard that in 6th grade she let a dog lick her snatch. The only guys that get her are the ones who wear 100% hot topic clothes and their moms let them have big ass swords at home. But don't be fooled, these dudes are Jacked Alphas even if they dress lame. She's not a slut at ALL, but once she's in your hands you can use her wiles to seduce your enemies and then kidney punch them unawares. Most people don't understand how hard it is to date this girl, nor do they understand the cost of keeping her dank in hot topic and throwing daggers.

Bard is the bangin' flute soloist. This one used to be hard to get until she lost her virginity. Now she realizes she LOVES sex. Went down from a 7 day Bottleneck to a 24 hr bottleneck and you Can Call Her Anytime Bae;) (spawn undead trak). Yes, she is a bit of a hoor and likes gifts such as sterling silver bracelets and rhinestone baubles (white dragon scales).

One of my personal favorites is the wizard epic. The wizard epic is the girl who has been in your home room for the past 10 years. She's a fucking nerd but now she's a nerd with a real honest to god bust. You're more handsome than she is but she's smarter than you. It's real easy to get her to be your GF, all you have to do is Destroy Venril Sathir the Lich of Karnor's Castle and Give her the Pulsating Stone (ask her out). It turns out she gives the best fellatio in the whole Elf School and is well worth the investment! You still won't get invited to any parties, though.

Your recent posts are very strong, I think you may have made a forum quest ding recently.

[Uberom]

so mage epic is the hot cheerleader president of school body honors student girl (named majiq) everyone wants to bang, but the only people who bang her are the select big dog alpha males who are just self-destructive enough to blow fat lines (drugs) so they can mad dog the enemy team (get FTE) and score a winning touch down (kill the God of Hate in his own home and take from his corpse the most valuable of treasures)

warrior epic is a super hot chick, hotter than Magiq, her name is Tallan, and she is definitely bi-sexual. If you play your cards right (combine her in the scabbard) you can even have a three-some. She's a bit of a trick (see WTS green scales threads) so don't be surprised if some upstart running-back with a rich dad is suddenly dual wielding your beautiful girlfriend. She is often overhyped for her hotness but probably worth every penny for the increase in your social standing once getting her.

SK is the emo/goth/kawaii babe who has sat next to you for years but you're just too scared to go for her. she's artistic, nihilistic, and sadistic. You heard that in 6th grade she let a dog lick her snatch. The only guys that get her are the ones who wear 100% hot topic clothes and their moms let them have big ass swords at home. But don't be fooled, these dudes are Jacked Alphas even if they dress lame. She's not a slut at ALL, but once she's in your hands you can use her wiles to seduce your enemies and then kidney punch them unawares. Most people don't understand how hard it is to date this girl, nor do they understand the cost of keeping her dank in hot topic and throwing daggers.

Bard is the bangin' flute soloist. This one used to be hard to get until she lost her virginity. Now she realizes she LOVES sex. Went down from a 7 day Bottleneck to a 24 hr bottleneck and you Can Call Her Anytime Bae;) (spawn undead trak). Yes, she is a bit of a hoor and likes gifts such as sterling silver bracelets and rhinestone baubles (white dragon scales).

One of my personal favorites is the wizard epic. The wizard epic is the girl who has been in your home room for the past 10 years. She's a fucking nerd but now she's a nerd with a real honest to god bust. You're more handsome than she is but she's smarter than you. It's real easy to get her to be your GF, all you have to do is Destroy Venril Sathir the Lich of Karnor's Castle and Give her the Pulsating Stone (ask her out). It turns out she gives the best fellatio in the whole Elf School and is well worth the investment! You still won't get invited to any parties, though.

Started off flaccid now I'm hard.

[Lhancelot]

so mage epic is the hot cheerleader president of school body honors student girl (named majiq) everyone wants to bang, but the only people who bang her are the select big dog alpha males who are just self-destructive enough to blow fat lines (drugs) so they can mad dog the enemy team (get FTE) and score a winning touch down (kill the God of Hate in his own home and take from his corpse the most valuable of treasures)

warrior epic is a super hot chick, hotter than Magiq, her name is Tallan, and she is definitely bi-sexual. If you play your cards right (combine her in the scabbard) you can even have a three-some. She's a bit of a trick (see WTS green scales threads) so don't be surprised if some upstart running-back with a rich dad is suddenly dual wielding your beautiful girlfriend. She is often overhyped for her hotness but probably worth every penny for the increase in your social standing once getting her.

SK is the emo/goth/kawaii babe who has sat next to you for years but you're just too scared to go for her. she's artistic, nihilistic, and sadistic. You heard that in 6th grade she let a dog lick her snatch. The only guys that get her are the ones who wear 100% hot topic clothes and their moms let them have big ass swords at home. But don't be fooled, these dudes are Jacked Alphas even if they dress lame. She's not a slut at ALL, but once she's in your hands you can use her wiles to seduce your enemies and then kidney punch them unawares. Most people don't understand how hard it is to date this girl, nor do they understand the cost of keeping her dank in hot topic and throwing daggers.

Bard is the bangin' flute soloist. This one used to be hard to get until she lost her virginity. Now she realizes she LOVES sex. Went down from a 7 day Bottleneck to a 24 hr bottleneck and you Can Call Her Anytime Bae;) (spawn undead trak). Yes, she is a bit of a hoor and likes gifts such as sterling silver bracelets and rhinestone baubles (white dragon scales).

One of my personal favorites is the wizard epic. The wizard epic is the girl who has been in your home room for the past 10 years. She's a fucking nerd but now she's a nerd with a real honest to god bust. You're more handsome than she is but she's smarter than you. It's real easy to get her to be your GF, all you have to do is Destroy Venril Sathir the Lich of Karnor's Castle and Give her the Pulsating Stone (ask her out). It turns out she gives the best fellatio in the whole Elf School and is well worth the investment! You still won't get invited to any parties, though.

This is the post of the week. Very funny. :D