No patch in 5 months. Signs we're nearly at completion status?

[Sillyturtle]

With the last patch being on Feb 13th, is Blue 99 nearly finished, or has Rogean and Nilbog left the Codemines to go party in Bora Bora?

[skarlorn]

i think there's 1 last major patch.

Then the stated plan is to work on creating a Recycle99 Server. And the community forever hopes for a Discord or Teams PvP server.

I am sure after seeing what happened to community after Velious, the devs feel no rush to deliver the final patch which will certainly lead to more burn out and griping for a new server.

[Jimjam]

I think they want to combine most the final bug tweaks alongside the final patch?

[Kenzi]

ib4ithink



fuck

[Sillyturtle]

Agreed @Skarlorn and @Jimjam. I have a suspicion they're perhaps saving the rest of the tweaks and changes for one big patch.

I'm very excited to see it drop.

[SyanideGas]

i think there's 1 last major patch.

Then the stated plan is to work on creating a Recycle99 Server. And the community forever hopes for a Discord or Teams PvP server.

I am sure after seeing what happened to community after Velious, the devs feel no rush to deliver the final patch which will certainly lead to more burn out and griping for a new server.

But...I want a new server!

[Lhancelot]

...the devs feel no rush to deliver the final patch...

I hope this is their sentiment.

We have true MMO utopia here on p99, no reason to add patches for another 10 years. By then maybe we all will have explored and enjoyed classic EQ as much as possible.

[easy_lee]

A new server would be great to capture the classic feel.

Something people forget is that the EQ release schedule was rapid. EQ launched in March 1999, Kunark in April 2000, Velious in December 2000, And Luclin in December 2001. The full EQ to end-of-Velious timeline was less than two years. Project 1999 was launched in 2009 and has been going on for eight years now, four times as long.

The timeline is important, because P1999 isn't really classic anymore. The original developers never planned for everyone to have the amount of gear they do now. Some casual players have multiple 60s. Fungis are everywhere. Pre-20s rogues are running around with epics, backstabbing for hundreds of damage.

A new server would recapture the old feel, at least for two years.

[Lhancelot]

A new server would be great to capture the classic feel.

Something people forget is that the EQ release schedule was rapid. EQ launched in March 1999, Kunark in April 2000, Velious in December 2000, And Luclin in December 2001. The full EQ to end-of-Velious timeline was less than two years. Project 1999 was launched in 2009 and has been going on for eight years now, four times as long.

The timeline is important, because P1999 isn't really classic anymore. The original developers never planned for everyone to have the amount of gear they do now. Some casual players have multiple 60s. Fungis are everywhere. Pre-20s rogues are running around with epics, backstabbing for hundreds of damage.

A new server would recapture the old feel, at least for two years.

Valid points all but rogues with epics in their 20s. they nerfed ragebringer so you cannot use it till 46 now.

[easy_lee]

Valid points all but rogues with epics in their 20s. they nerfed ragebringer so you cannot use it till 46 now.

Ah, well that's good. I haven't been that level in a long time, but remember it while I was EXPing crocs on my monk.

[Troxx]

It will never truly be classic in the same sense because:

1) few if any players are completely naive both to the game/content and the mechanics
2) piggy-backing off the above, we all know how to quickly game the system
3) everything not known by the individual or small community is well documented online

Part of the thing that allowed the playerbase to space out both in terms of gear, level, skill etc ... was that it was all unknown. Certain circles (ie the guild AFTERLIFE) kept much hidden regarding zone mechanics and mob statistics. You really only found a collective outpouring of both knowledge and tactics with regards to epic quests -- because it took community effort (and developers leaking certain info) to allow for the quests to be completed given the shortcomings of the questing process inherent to everquest.

If a recycle server ever did come out I hope they keep certain limitations (ie 25 mobs for aoe) in place so as to not promote an excessive high end population. I remember my guild during Luclin had like 5-6 level 60s with the mass bulk being level 46-53. Simply being level 60 meant something in classic velious (rare in kunark) all the way up through luclin. The expectation here given the bloat at the high end is that to raid you have a level 60 ... with most people having multiple level 60s of different classes.

Few people here have a real 'main' in that regard. Many have lots of level 60s they can swap in/out which makes the raid scene more toxic ... both because tackling content is easier given flexibility ... and because now people don't just strive to gear out one level 60 toon with raid gear --- they want to gear out 4-6 toons they own with the best.

If they release along the classic timeline with a few non-classic additions (ie no aoe bullshit) ... we'll see a lot of crowding in classic limiting level gains ... no aoe in kunark to add tons of 60s ... and a fair number of 60s in velious/kunark with single toons requiring more coorperation and coordination at the high end (at least until velious stays forever and we end up right where we started)

[easy_lee]

It will never truly be classic in the same sense because:

1) few if any players are completely naive both to the game/content and the mechanics
2) piggy-backing off the above, we all know how to quickly game the system
3) everything not known by the individual or small community is well documented online

Part of the thing that allowed the playerbase to space out both in terms of gear, level, skill etc ... was that it was all unknown. Certain circles (ie the guild AFTERLIFE) kept much hidden regarding zone mechanics and mob statistics. You really only found a collective outpouring of both knowledge and tactics with regards to epic quests -- because it took community effort (and developers leaking certain info) to allow for the quests to be completed given the shortcomings of the questing process inherent to everquest.

If a recycle server ever did come out I hope they keep certain limitations (ie 25 mobs for aoe) in place so as to not promote an excessive high end population. I remember my guild during Luclin had like 5-6 level 60s with the mass bulk being level 46-53. Simply being level 60 meant something in classic velious (rare in kunark) all the way up through luclin. The expectation here given the bloat at the high end is that to raid you have a level 60 ... with most people having multiple level 60s of different classes.

Few people here have a real 'main' in that regard. Many have lots of level 60s they can swap in/out which makes the raid scene more toxic ... both because tackling content is easier given flexibility ... and because now people don't just strive to gear out one level 60 toon with raid gear --- they want to gear out 4-6 toons they own with the best.

If they release along the classic timeline with a few non-classic additions (ie no aoe bullshit) ... we'll see a lot of crowding in classic limiting level gains ... no aoe in kunark to add tons of 60s ... and a fair number of 60s in velious/kunark with single toons requiring more coorperation and coordination at the high end (at least until velious stays forever and we end up right where we started)

That's a good point, but there are a lot of little tricks the developers could use to make a new server stay fresh and more difficult:

Add a few roaming mobs in dungeons and change some of their classes, keep people guessing
Rotating bonus experience for dungeons, encouraging players to move around
Level caps, to give the less-hardcore players time to catch up to hardcores, and give hardcores time to raise their alts


And so on. There's no reason why a new server would need to follow the exact same rules as blue. Case in point, red has an XP bonus.

[Tecmos Deception]

A new server would be great to capture the classic feel.

Something people forget is that the EQ release schedule was rapid. EQ launched in March 1999, Kunark in April 2000, Velious in December 2000, And Luclin in December 2001. The full EQ to end-of-Velious timeline was less than two years. Project 1999 was launched in 2009 and has been going on for eight years now, four times as long.

The timeline is important, because P1999 isn't really classic anymore. The original developers never planned for everyone to have the amount of gear they do now. Some casual players have multiple 60s. Fungis are everywhere. Pre-20s rogues are running around with epics, backstabbing for hundreds of damage.

A new server would recapture the old feel, at least for two years.

The next p99 will be more classic and less classic in it's own ways.

Tons of bugs and exploits existed and were used for years before being changed, account trading was a thing, timeline has been very extended, alts galore, etc. Those things will be taken away the next time around.

However, p99 has a shitload more exposure now than it did 6+ years ago. The process of the hardcore players farming manastones and guises and hitting 50 to begin getting rich (and stay that way) will be a lot different in 2 years or whatever than it was on blue. Many bugs are fixed, many classic mechanics are restored, but the mechanics that ARE here are mastered such that a new server won't have the "fresh, unexplored" feel like classic or even blue did. It'll be a blank slate, but it won't stay that way for more than a couple weeks before it resembles current blue in a lot of ways.

Fungi alts and epic level 20 rogues and etc? No. But guilds powering druids to 50 and taking turns PLing alts to re-establish their alt armies and whatnot? Yes. Every worthwhile camp on lockdown? Moreso than now, for sure, especially in the very small world of classic eq as compared to kunark+velious. Old bugs gone? Yes. But new ones will turn up. Etc.

It WILL be glorious. But it won't be some casual player utopia just because progress gets reset and the timeline is faster. People who can't fully enjoy what is here now won't fully enjoy a fresh server either.

[Nuggie]

We're almost out of beta friends! Can't wait till live.

[NegaStoat]

As others have mentioned, I think the biggest issue with a fresh server adhering to classic code is the loot and time window to obtain them. The nerd rage over Manastone camp will be pretty big, for instance. The staff is probably much better aware of the issues of a fresh server and probably have their own ideas on how NOT to do it if Daybreak allowed a new server to go up. Which they won't.

[Amyas]

Recycle99 Server?

[Sillyturtle]

As others have mentioned, I think the biggest issue with a fresh server adhering to classic code is the loot and time window to obtain them. The nerd rage over Manastone camp will be pretty big, for instance. The staff is probably much better aware of the issues of a fresh server and probably have their own ideas on how NOT to do it if Daybreak allowed a new server to go up. Which they won't.

Daybreak don't have a say in the matter. I wish you people would stop spreading false information.

[Valakut]

Daybreak don't have a say in the matter. I wish you people would stop spreading false information.
As long as p99 is hosted in the united states daybreak does have a say. Unless rogean has been socking away those donations to purchase the everquest IP from them.

[Sillyturtle]

As long as p99 is hosted in the united states daybreak does have a say. Unless rogean has been socking away those donations to purchase the everquest IP from them.

And all those years P99 was operating in the United States before Daybreak gave the thumbs up no longer counts, right?

Come off it people. The new server IS coming. Accept it already.

[MycahDavith]

When the final patch hits...
If the new Recycle ( Green ) server will arrive...

Any commentary from staff on this would be cool ;)

I am waiting to come back for the Green Server myself, can't wait regardless of the nerds grindings, farming and raging....

[NegaStoat]

Daybreak don't have a say in the matter. I wish you people would stop spreading false information.

Daybreak's launch of a progression server suspended the intended release of Velious for P1999 as well as permanently suspending the launch of the Teams PvP server. If you weren't such a noob at that time and kept up with the forums you would have seen it go down. ALL of the server wanted that Teams PvP server, P1999 staff included. Daybreak killed any new servers from launching.

[Sillyturtle]

Daybreak's launch of a progression server suspended the intended release of Velious for P1999 as well as permanently suspending the launch of the Teams PvP server. If you weren't such a noob at that time and kept up with the forums you would have seen it go down. ALL of the server wanted that Teams PvP server, P1999 staff included. Daybreak killed any new servers from launching.

Which is why we have confirmed posts from Nilbog stating it is still the plan to release a server with correct content unlocks and duration between expansions.

And it's also why we have a post from a Moderator stating the new server will, upon reaching content completion be recycled into Blue before beginning the cycle over again.


Looks like you're the noob here cupcake. GTFO my thread with that shit.

[Bummey]

ragebringer fix wru

[skarlorn]

Which is why we have confirmed posts from Nilbog stating it is still the plan to release a server with correct content unlocks and duration between expansions.

And it's also why we have a post from a Moderator stating the new server will, upon reaching content completion be recycled into Blue before beginning the cycle over again.


Looks like you're the noob here cupcake. GTFO my thread with that shit.

very woke. stick it to the nerd.

[Nuggie]

You guys who say DBG had squashed any new servers care to post a link of your source? Or are you merely putting forth speculation?

Same for you who say new servers will happen? Anything more recent than the agreement with DBG?

[skarlorn]

Yep there are posts from guides, llandris recently, who confirmed that the goal is to release the final patch and then the next step is setting up a 'green' or recycle pve server or w/e.

I'm not going to bother hunting it down for you, though.

Discord doesn't seem to be on the agenda, nor teams. But a fresh blue server with proper patch is very much on their agenda, as this has awlays been the 'beta' dev server for that one.

[NegaStoat]

The amount of post links or announcements from the staff that are CURRENT that cheerfully state something like "hey gang - when the last patch goes up we have the Recycle 99 next on our list" would be outstanding. The only announcements involving Recycle & Teams PvP were prior to Velious launching that had firm intentions worded in them, and anything that came out much later after Velious and the Daybreak meeting have been mealy mouthed "We would like to" comments.

Sirken was all kinds of stoked about Teams PvP and the special rules that would have been developed to curb the Evil team from stomping due to faster mobilization from Overthere sledges, Iksar, etc. It was a big deal in his streams leading up to Velious. And then the Daybreak meeting happened, and then.... poof. The very rare bullet-dodging "We would like to, eventually" comments popped up and then died off.

It's not. Going. To. Happen. If Daybreak continues to make a profit from new progression servers.

[cannobeers2]

Yeah, the green99 recycle server was indeed loosely confirmed to be a possibility after the last patch goes in on the current project. Of course, the timeline wasn't solidified, but there is no reason not to believe that there are plans post Velious(ish).

Will it happen? Dunno. Not my job.

As long as it has the spirit (and textures) of classic and isn't a goofball thing like TLP via DBG, it sounds like fun to me.

[Jimjam]

You guys who say DBG had squashed any new servers care to post a link of your source? Or are you merely putting forth speculation?

Same for you who say new servers will happen? Anything more recent than the agreement with DBG?

Human intelligence is an incredible thing. Pattern recognition is something we have such strong intuitive ability for. Unfortunately we are not so good at discriminating coincidence from correlation, let alone causality.

Learning is so much easier than unlearning.

[Toiletzombie]

This Jimjam guy sounds smart, everyone listen to him

[Izmael]

Manastone has to be the most overrated item on P99. I tried soloing in Lguk with it on a cleric. It's actually terrible exp. Just find a random enchanter ho and get 20x that much exp per hour.

[jolanar]

It's not. Going. To. Happen. If Daybreak continues to make a profit from new progression servers.

Agree with this. It's pretty obvious they are going to release an official Velious locked server next summer. People here like to pretend like P99 is untouchable, but unless the servers and the staff are located in Russia or something, if Daybreak really wanted too they could shut this down in an heartbeat.

[Spyder73]

I have to agree that after the Daybreak meeting it seems the staff has lost a lot of its enthusiasm. Talks of 'what's next' pretty much ended at that point. Its been clearly stated multiple times that ideally they want to start a new server that follows the exact time line, but when was the last time you heard anyone say anything about that? I think there is a concern that any sort of new server would only cripple the population by splitting it... But I also believe that Daybreak said "keep your server, but no new ones". Thus the death if discord

[maskedmelonpai]

I can't give you an ETA, but I can add some information.

Since Kunark development, we have used a rule-based system when developing content and code. What this means is the work needed to add/remove timeline features only has to be done once, and a rule applied for the era.

For example, when a server is released (original eq launch date: march 1999), rubicite and manastones should drop until ~October 1999. When a new server is launched, all that is necessary is to set the correct era rules. The era switches allow us to apply rules to spawns, loottables, items, spells, doors, tradeskills, etc so they may be enabled/disabled without even a patch.

It has been, and still is the plan to release a timeline correct server a certain amount of time after Velious is complete.Velious still lacks 2 zones; Stonebrunt and Chardok revamp. There are patches between and after those times which need to be developed.

There are options which haven't been fully discussed. One option is as you said, once the new server reached the end of Velious, merge those characters back into the original existing p99 servers. At that point, start a new one. i.e. Recycle

There will be announcements when those decisions are made

Llandris recently confirmed too.

[Ciksharn]

Llandris Llandris is online now
Server Guide

Llandris's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 5,267
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciksharn View Post
Is there any chance p99 would launch a new server from the beginning. .
Yes. Once the current timeline is completed, a new server (Recycle99) will be launched from Vanilla to SoV using the correct timeline of patch and content releases. There is still quite a bit of work to be done on P99, which is why you have not heard any news on a new server. Announcements will be made once the staff has something to offer to the player base.

From thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274219

[loramin]

Agree with this. It's pretty obvious they are going to release an official Velious locked server next summer. People here like to pretend like P99 is untouchable, but unless the servers and the staff are located in Russia or something, if Daybreak really wanted too they could shut this down in an heartbeat.

Daybreak could lawyer up and go after P99 for using their trademark ... but they would only hurt themselves in the process.

Think of it this way: how many people left Project 1999 for Agnar? How many of those people would never even have known Agnar existed if not for Project 1999? Those are customers that Daybreak got without spending a cent on advertising: P99 provided them "for free".

In other words, Project 1999 is good for Daybreak, and that is why they won't shut it down. They might want to maximize how much benefit they get from Project 1999 (eg. by making them delay a new server until Agnar has been out awhile), but they don't want to kill the goose that lays golden eggs for them.

[maskedmelonpai]

Daybreak could lawyer up and go after P99 for using their trademark ... but they would only hurt themselves in the process.

Think of it this way: how many people left Project 1999 for Agnar? How many of those people would never even have known Agnar existed if not for Project 1999? Those are customers that Daybreak got without spending a cent on advertising: P99 provided them "for free".

In other words, Project 1999 is good for Daybreak, and that is why they won't shut it down. They might want to maximize how much benefit they get from Project 1999 (eg. by making them delay a new server until Agnar has been out awhile), but they don't want to kill the goose that lays golden eggs for them.

it almost liek p99s a daybreak marketing platform rooted with it tendrils delicately probing one the warmest hovels of Internet nerddom.

[skarlorn]

the warmest hovel in p99 is my level 6 human druid of tunare, Womblord.

Inquire within.

[Nuggie]

Sure would like to see the details of the DBG agreement, assuming P99 staff and associates (Akkadius from eqemu) aren't under an NDA. Alternatively, would like to know if there is an NDA.

[Lhancelot]

hovels

How did you find this one. smh.

[maskedmelonpai]

How did you find this one. smh.

you mean the word? it just in my head liek most words and it tumbled down to my fingers as i was typin. i dunno how it got there if that what you asking ^^;

[Lhancelot]

you mean the word? it just in my head liek most words and it tumbled down to my fingers as i was typin. i dunno how it got there if that what you asking ^^;

Reminds me of the Jack Daniels commercial that shows how apple flavored JD is made, with an apple that is dropped from a tree above into a steampunk/gnomish looking contraption that then funnels the dropped apple down into a swinging axe blade that chops the apple in half then proceeds to liquify the pieces of apple into a mixture with the alcohol that then creates apple flavored JD whiskey. Same process it sounds like to me.

[skarlorn]

masked melon dank
domo arigato sempai...
masked melon stinkier than stank
he fill u up sweet like creme pie
masked melon woke
my nurga minin never sip, always toke