What game change would you suggest?

[nilzark]

What is one P99 rule or game mechanic that you would implement, should you have the power, that you think would enhance the enjoyment of all players?

[Brut]

Add Melalafen.

[Jimjam]

Membership fees.

[Rygar]

Call of the Zero on raid targets, no question.

Other candidates:
Nerf Insta-Click agro items (too easy for warriors to hold agro, shits on classic experience)
Make Eye of Zomm non-agro (make pulling classic)
Nerf Fungi Tunic, too OP
Charm change (Mob gets a 15 second rage buff after charm break, can't be mezzed / re-charmed / stunned / rooted until buff is gone)
Scout Charisa / Lodizal randomized spawn points (+timer variance for scout)
Implement quests / specific vendors for recharges
Disable MQs worldwide
Ring of Vulak event (I'm unfamiliar with it really, but sounds like a lot of raiders would enjoy the challenge in this era)

[heartbrand]

Wiping red and replacing with Teams

[Tecmos Deception]

What is one P99 rule or game mechanic that you would implement, should you have the power, that you think would enhance the enjoyment of all players?

Weekly server reset in primetime EST.

Known reset during primetime with this many raid targets is almost instancing in terms of delivering content to casual guilds, while still giving hardcore guilds races, while giving everyone more gear, but without actually being the pure evil of instancing.

Besides the fact that a weekly reset is classic.

[Mead]

Would replace gems with server wide scrabble

[Tann]

What is one P99 rule or game mechanic that you would implement, should you have the power, that you think would enhance the enjoyment of all players?

make pet exp stealing like it was during pre-kunark p99, do 1 damage and get full exp. those were the glory days. I much prefer buffing/weaponizing/healing my mage pets vs. reclaim.

also low levels for a solo iksar necro is brutal, -20% race, -10% class (removed thankfully), and -50% from pet.

[Crookstinger]

Shared banks.

[Whirled]

Shared banks.

this times infinity^

Also, add critical spell hits for wizards, so they not the pariah of p99

[Baler]

Sleeper Reset

[lctucker2999]

Agree with Sleeper reset, and shared banks.

Reduce respawn times to a maximum of 3 days and institute guild rotations for top tier targets

[Erazmus]

Allow specific AAs, but through long quests, not xp grinding.

[Brut]

Long as we can wake sleepy again.

[SyanideGas]

Shared banks aren't very useful for me, since my alts are on their own separate accounts

[Loke]

Give us another no-CSR zone like VP back in the day. That shit was fun. Also, stop arbitrarily changing the raid rules every few months. We used to joke about needing everquest lawyers, but its slowly becoming a reality with all the changes and nuance associated with trying to be in compliance with the current rules.

[turbosilk]

EZ. Get rid of MQ

[khanable]

a functioning stamina bar

[Hitmonkey]

ALL EPIC TURN IN ITEMS NO-DROP.......FFS


People specifically don't play classes because you have 0 shot of getting an epic without paying for it

[Spyder73]

The LFG tool is the best thing that ever happened to EQ. Zones that never see use would see a giant influx if we could easy search/post LFG

[darkreap]

Instanced raid zones

[skarlorn]

Incorporate extremely difficult and RP compelling quests that allow you to change deity.

[skarlorn]

Wiping red and replacing with Teams

also a good post 4 shure

[Axlrose]

Upon dying, one random item carried or worn is utterly destroyed - including epic, lore, and no drop items.

Yes, I am mean!

[Expediency]

Incorporate extremely difficult and RP compelling quests that allow you to change deity.

+1. Praise prexus. Reset me to level 1 if you have to.


I would open surefall port and put in 3-4 hot zones that rotate. These would not change the game at all other than encouraging exploration. Tons of unused zones.

[Sage Truthbearer]

Forced classic UI at 800x600 resolution, Racial night vision, Stamina mechanic that actually works, Remove item linking, Disable tab targeting, Third party voice comm detection results in boot to desktop, and throttle internet connections to 56k.

[Naethyn]

a functioning stamina bar

[Erati]

Buff timers

[Vallanor]

Incorporate extremely difficult and RP compelling quests that allow you to change deity.

Yes to this. And add item quests for all deity/class combos that give a similar quality item as the Tunare quest rewards while you're at it. Why is Tunare so special....

Along the same lines, complete the symbol quests for clerics, shamans, and druids, three successive quests for each deity! Those quests are great, but they seem to have gotten distracted while making them and half are unfinished or totally non-existent.

[skarlorn]

Glad to see so many fellow players want to get religious up in this joint.
Rolling filbus agnostic is one of the saddest things I ever did.

[maskedmelonpai]

+2 to the religious conversions. also wanna see class change quests and racial class restrictions removed. also, open up deity specific items to EVERYONE who can use them. and make merchants' wares part of they loot tables too :3

[Canelek]

Back when EQ2 was fun, I thought the good/evil switching quests were a good option. Maybe not so many drow rangers though, k?

As for what I would add/change...AAs withought the moon or PoP would be fun.

[Dulu]

Wiping red and replacing with Teams

Pras it.

[Thermite]

Bring on the dark elf clickie mask vendors for my warrior!!!

[Alanus]

Remove MQs

[branamil]

Forced classic UI at 800x600 resolution

http://i.imgur.com/QQeZcZL.gif

Racial night vision

http://i.imgur.com/3ZPFFuh.gif

Stamina mechanic that actually works

http://i.imgur.com/4WeMI66.gif

Remove item linking, Disable tab targeting

http://i.imgur.com/6zdseqS.gif

Third party voice comm detection results in boot to desktop

http://i.imgur.com/hd7rC6V.gif

and throttle internet connections to 56k.

http://i.imgur.com/b6fyd3w.gif

This man is a classic god. I'd also like to see a requirement that you have to use a 1996 walmart eMachine™ and be a sophomore in high school with no friends.

[Achromatic]

Knight defense caps at 252

[skarlorn]

eMachine holy shit lol

[Lhancelot]

http://i.imgur.com/QQeZcZL.gif



http://i.imgur.com/3ZPFFuh.gif



http://i.imgur.com/4WeMI66.gif



http://i.imgur.com/6zdseqS.gif



http://i.imgur.com/hd7rC6V.gif



http://i.imgur.com/b6fyd3w.gif

This man is a classic god. I'd also like to see a requirement that you have to use a 1996 walmart eMachine™ and be a sophomore in high school with no friends.

lol. :D

[Llandris]

put in 3-4 hot zones that rotate.

I advocated for this but I don't believe anyone else was on board

[skarlorn]

would be so cool to see people LFG in out of the way zones that normally dont' get a lot of love.

Not classic, but also would sort of make things more classic in a way :)

[Croco]

Luclin

[Naethyn]

Luclin

Beat me to it!

[Foxplay]

#1 - Weekly reset cause classic

#2 (Not sure on validity of this one) Restore Magician and Necro pets to classic values - I heard they received an non-classic nerf on p99. I don't have a high level necro or magician so don't know for sure. But I see no reason for them to be nerfed here.... Charm is way stronger... raid content gets decimated anyway...if true magi and necro deserve classic pet values...its not going to "break" anything on p99, and might get people playing those classes that otherwise wouldn't due to a (possible?) non-classic nerf

#3 Force all Iksar males to use the "Angry face", and all Half Elf males to use "Detoxx's face"

[Darkatar]

What is one P99 rule or game mechanic that you would implement, should you have the power, that you think would enhance the enjoyment of all players?

Make /who LFG work

[Scoojitsu]

I'd love to see multiquesting gone.

[Canelek]

I do like the rotating hot zone concept. If for nothing else than it attracts folks away from random non-hot zones that I will then frequent. :)

[Dulu]

Gtfo with hot zones. Wipe red or release teams please. Please!

Interestingly enough, TLPs have shown that PoP is the most popular expansion.. I'd love to see p99 take a crack at emulating luclin and pop.

[skarlorn]

Wipe IT ALL and release teams please. Please!


http://i.imgur.com/qWK8H3i.gif

[skarlorn]

bring back casinos

CLASSIC

[Baler]

Wake the Sleeper, Reset The Sleeper.

[skarlorn]

http://i.imgur.com/4KD5tmy.jpg
it will all happen again

[Loke]

The LFG tool suggestion made me think of this...

Bring back /who combinations. I used to be able to do "/who all 45 55 shaman lfg" and it would return all shaman within the level range of 45-55 who were flagged lfg. Now it returns nothing. Maybe it wasn't classic, but it definitely improved quality of life on the server. That is how I used to build groups, now I rarely build groups and most just solo or group with friends. Very hard to find LFG people unless they're in your zone. Just /who all 35 50 lfg without the class would make group building dramatically easier. Only being able to search LFG within the zone your in sucks.

[mickmoranis]

I would make it so when you died you lost all of your experience.

[Darkatar]

http://i.imgur.com/4KD5tmy.jpg


isn't a circle flat by definition?

[Expediency]

Glad to see so many fellow players want to get religious up in this joint.
Rolling filbus agnostic is one of the saddest things I ever did.

The quests are RP in nature and would need to be something that anyone level 60 can do, even in an RP guild. Something a group can do, not a raid mob. Any ideas? I'd just have the trainer give a long quest that required collecting a bunch of items or doing faction or something.

I advocated for this but I don't believe anyone else was on board

I have zero background in programming/game design/etc. The hot zone idea comes up in most of these threads, is it a hard thing to accomplish code wise? Or is it easy and the p99 owners just have no appetite for it?

[Old Prexus]

I'd personally like to see the powers that be take a whack at creating a custom zone in the classic feel and spirit. That, and every race have a race specific milk you could procure from them. I've been needing halfling milk to finish a quest for about 3 years now.

[nilzark]

I have zero background in programming/game design/etc. The hot zone idea comes up in most of these threads, is it a hard thing to accomplish code wise? Or is it easy and the p99 owners just have no appetite for it?

It's easy. It is a setting in their database.

[deezy]

Shared banks.

^ this

[skarlorn]

Definitely, Expediency. It's not raid level quest to change Gods, but it would have to take a good while and end up with defeating a powerful enemy of the God in most cases.

Prexus for instance would require the four rarest fish of Norrath, a reclaimed orb of water from the water element in lower guk that has been corrupted. Also you would have to find the quest giver deep inside Kedge...

Rallos Zek would require killing a LOT of people, basically everyone except orcs, ogres, goblins, etc. You'd have to kill numerous champions and being their magical weapons to the quest giver in Kael. Naturally, you would trash faction across the board, but would be able to spread it out instead of going absolutely apesshit like...

Cazic Thule would make you. Cazic Thule would demand ally faction with him and the only way to get this would be hunting the weak farmers of the Karanas and Hobbits in the thicket. Any place where it's cheerful, you would massacre. You may also have to find a fear proc weapon for the quest giver.

Bristlebane would make you collect rare alcohol and seemingly useless books and the lead up to the climax would be a game of chance vs an NPC where you have to bet four rubies and have 20% chance of success or lower, depending on how drunk you got the quest giver.

Innoruuk would judge you based on RNF skill

Just a few ideas off the top of my head

Pm me for help writing quests Devs

[mickmoranis]

The quests are RP in nature and would need to be something that anyone level 60 can do, even in an RP guild. Something a group can do, not a raid mob. Any ideas?

based on those requirements, id say, you'd simply need to raise 45000 faction by killing things that give you 10 a pop.

that sounds about right for classic everquest.

nothing more RP than the good guy god of tunare asking you to commit acts of genocide.

[mickmoranis]

OH I KNOW

i would make shield of the magi take less time to fucking cast than it takes for it to start blinking and then fade away FFFFFFFuuuuuuuksSSSSSSSSSSSSake

[Tankdan]

http://i.imgur.com/XshxZ1O.png

Really sickens me that P99 wont see Luclin/PoP because a p99 Dev thinks that an expansion launched in 2001 isnt Classic. But custom content = Totally cool. Seems legit.

[skarlorn]

p99

not p02

feel free to leave.
hope this helps you out there bud :o

[Tankdan]

p99

not p02

feel free to leave.
Oh 1999 had Kunark and Velious?

And I did.

[skarlorn]

thank goodness :o

Runescape must be great.

next step, stop posting here

Hope this helps u sort things out

[Dulu]

He has a point. Kunark and velious weren't out in 1999.

[Wowbagger]

Shared banks.

this times infinity^

That times infinity, times infinity.

[Expediency]

http://i.imgur.com/XshxZ1O.png

Really sickens me that P99 wont see Luclin/PoP because a p99 Dev thinks that an expansion launched in 2001 isnt Classic. But custom content = Totally cool. Seems legit.

PoP launched in 2002 according to both your link and Wikipedia, not 2001. I have tried to block that event from my mind, as I quit live soon after. It wasnt the same game. People who like cats on the moon can check out p2002.

P99 makes it pretty clear that they are stopping expansions at velious. They've openly stated this countless times. Maybe if you had spent 15 seconds looking at the "about project 1999" information located prominently on the main page you could have saved yourself some sickness.

[mickmoranis]

He has a point. Kunark and velious weren't out in 1999.

so what pixar should stop making movies and start only making whatever it is pixars are?

how can people play here and not know this is a brad only server

[Tiax]

halfling rangers

[Numbers_]

I would instance raid zones. I'm far from raiding on here - my highest level character is only 51, but I've seen the drama that is caused by the raid scene. I raided back in the old days of EQ and remember how nasty people got about it. Only a small amount of people will ever see the raid content on here which is a waste. If it was more of a warcraft system (instanced, 7 day lock outs), I think you would see more high level player retention.

I would also like to see shared banks.

[Computer Man]

I would instance raid zones. I'm far from raiding on here - my highest level character is only 51, but I've seen the drama that is caused by the raid scene. I raided back in the old days of EQ and remember how nasty people got about it. Only a small amount of people will ever see the raid content on here which is a waste. If it was more of a warcraft system (instanced, 7 day lock outs), I think you would see more high level player retention.

I would also like to see shared banks.

Agnarr might be the server for you

[Tiburon]

Open new 'green' server, release up to luclin...pop in a few years. Give a one time transfer to folks for their accounts.

Nix MQ on epic pieces

[aaezil]

How bout dis... raiding guilds only get two suspensions. Third is disband and all members banned. Down with the scum!

[Expediency]

How bout dis... raiding guilds only get two suspensions. Third is disband and all members banned. Down with the scum!

Three strikes = youre out for a guild is interesting idea but banning all the members individually would punish 10+ innocent people for every ringleader

[Old Prexus]

Truly naked character models. I'm looking at you Ogre's.

[aaezil]

Three strikes = youre out for a guild is interesting idea but banning all the members individually would punish 10+ innocent people for every ringleader

How are they innocent if they heard the plan in discord/guild chat? Make guild members responsible and accountable again 2017.

[Expediency]

How are they innocent if they heard the plan in discord/guild chat? Make guild members responsible and accountable again 2017.

No guild has anything close to 100% online at any time. Some people take seasonal breaks and many never use voice com. The people doing the rulebreaking are a small fraction of any guild.

[Baler]

check out eqclassic if you want only the base vanilla game.
check out p02 if you want pop.

Then come back to P99 because one isn't even online and the other isn't coded as well.

ps. Reset The Sleeper.

[mickmoranis]

I would change it so if you were sitting, and you pressed the @*(#& spell book icon, youd @(#*&$ stand, instead of remain @#(*&$ sitting and it just hiding the @#(*$&@ spell book.

[mickmoranis]

I WOULD CHANGE IT SO DOORS CLOSE AFTER 10 MINUETS

[jolanar]

I like the idea of changing deities, but only if it was still within the options that class has at character creation. IE A Shadowknight could switch from Innoruuk to Bertox, but not to Agnostic or Tunare.

Also like the idea of rotating hot zones to encourage more people to leave places like Mistmoore and City of Mist.

I would personally probably revamp the faction system so that competing factions were truly competing and remove sneak vendoring and line of sight banking which make no goddamn sense to make the faction choices you make actually matter.

[loramin]

I'd finish everything that's incomplete ...

* make the Rygor give faction to the dwarves in Crystal Caverns
* add the eighth shawl quest (it needs blacksmithing)
* fix zones like Lake of Ill Omen so that you can actually move into clear/visible areas (instead of being blocked by pointless invisible boundaries)
* add the 8th Iksar skullcap quest
* restore Miragul's highway
* add the last Qeynos badge quest
* add the Jagged Pine zone, all of the LoY zones (except revamped Grobb), and any other content that fits the classic era but was added after (maybe even the LDoN zones, but not instanced)

As cool as dev-written truly custom content would be, I really hope they consider doing at least some of the above as "custom" content.

[Argh]

Remove variance.

[Siege_Turtle]

Please take this post with a grain of salt, as although they are things I'd like to see, it doesn't mean we will see them. Also, some of these, if not all of them, may not be considered classic. That said, a few changes I personally want:

1. Beastlords and Berserkers. Just a personal want of mine I've mentioned a few times. I understand they would require a lot of work to implement on this sever, if they ever become a thing on here.

2. Halfling Paladins/Rangers and Gnome Paladins/Shadow Knights able to be created. Would love to make my halfling ranger on here. This would also give rangers a class trainer close to Freeport, as I can't even remember the closest trainer other than a boat ride to get to Kelethin or a run to Surefall Glades.

3. A home button on the character selection screen. If you don't remember, at one point on live, if you logged off for awhile, roughly 30 minutes or one hour, a "home" button appeared for that character on the character selection screen. Clicking it would port that character to where they were bound to. It would help a lot in situations where you may have to log off ASAP, or if you went LD in a dungeon. Obviously, you'd have to wait awhile to be able to use it, to prevent abuse, but it was a feature I really liked.

4. Soul binders in some locations. I've found it hard to get a bind at times in some locations. For example, I want my Paladin to get bound at Qeynos, but noone has really passed through that could/is willing to do so, and getting my low level Shaman bound in the Overthere outpost took over a hour to find someone. I understand the removal of them is suppose to give a classic community feel, with regards to the bind affinity spell, but would still be nice to have some in some locations.

5. Shared bank slots. Would love to be able to use these as opposed to dropping items and praying noone comes along. Would also help getting spell money to other characters.


Thats about all the main things on my wishlist. Again, I realize they may not be considered classic.

[mickmoranis]

change loc output to X,Y instead of the ungodly Y,X

[SyanideGas]

change loc output to X,Y instead of the ungodly Y,X

Absofuckinglutely

[Rygar]

Please take this post with a grain of salt, as although they are things I'd like to see, it doesn't mean we will see them. Also, some of these, if not all of them, may not be considered classic. That said, a few changes I personally want:

1. Beastlords and Berserkers. Just a personal want of mine I've mentioned a few times. I understand they would require a lot of work to implement on this sever, if they ever become a thing on here.

2. Halfling Paladins/Rangers and Gnome Paladins/Shadow Knights able to be created. Would love to make my halfling ranger on here. This would also give rangers a class trainer close to Freeport, as I can't even remember the closest trainer other than a boat ride to get to Kelethin or a run to Surefall Glades.

3. A home button on the character selection screen. If you don't remember, at one point on live, if you logged off for awhile, roughly 30 minutes or one hour, a "home" button appeared for that character on the character selection screen. Clicking it would port that character to where they were bound to. It would help a lot in situations where you may have to log off ASAP, or if you went LD in a dungeon. Obviously, you'd have to wait awhile to be able to use it, to prevent abuse, but it was a feature I really liked.

4. Soul binders in some locations. I've found it hard to get a bind at times in some locations. For example, I want my Paladin to get bound at Qeynos, but noone has really passed through that could/is willing to do so, and getting my low level Shaman bound in the Overthere outpost took over a hour to find someone. I understand the removal of them is suppose to give a classic community feel, with regards to the bind affinity spell, but would still be nice to have some in some locations.

5. Shared bank slots. Would love to be able to use these as opposed to dropping items and praying noone comes along. Would also help getting spell money to other characters.


Thats about all the main things on my wishlist. Again, I realize they may not be considered classic.

The home button thing just wreaks of World of Warcraft to me, where they implemented mechanics that make life easier for the user at the expense of making the world less dangerous. Like every class having a 'gate' (hearthstone) despite being melee.

Same thing with soulbinders, part of the classic EQ experience is relying on others for certain things, binds for melee being one of them.

The shared bank by rights should have been implemented in Day 1, true its not classic but from a lore perspective all of the characters on your accounts are separate people in Norrath, they should be able to conduct trade with one another. It does undercut some small community aspects (like having trusted friends to transfer 100k+ items), but my guess it would eliminate a lot of scamming and hopefully reduce CSR load.

[fadetree]

reeks. Just sayin. I agree with you.

[Spyder73]

For the love of god just un-disable the LFG tool. It would take like 1 line of code removal.

[Siege_Turtle]

The home button thing just wreaks of World of Warcraft to me, where they implemented mechanics that make life easier for the user at the expense of making the world less dangerous. Like every class having a 'gate' (hearthstone) despite being melee.

Same thing with soulbinders, part of the classic EQ experience is relying on others for certain things, binds for melee being one of them.

In order to keep the danger, the home button would have to activate much longer than a hour, with that character being offline during that time, to prevent abuse. It's not perfect in a classic sense, of course. Another thought I had was it could potentially help GM's in some situations and lighten their petition load, assuming the scenarios it could be helpful with pop up a lot. That being said, I can understand how it can muck with the classic feel, and don't expect it to ever be on this server. Same with soul binders.

[mickmoranis]

rental/purchasable property in major cities some how, with the ability to permanently turn an item into a texture decoration for your new home.

http://i.imgur.com/rWcTW2B.png

[skarlorn]

rental/purchasable property in major cities some how, with the ability to permanently turn an item into a texture decoration for your new home.

http://i.imgur.com/rWcTW2B.png

*concern for mick amplifies*

[mickmoranis]

I would also like to see some of this:

http://i.imgur.com/m85bdic.png

http://i.imgur.com/ce6lJ4j.png

http://i.imgur.com/x4POlSg.png

and add seasons to classic zones:

http://i.imgur.com/AKJKoxY.png

[skarlorn]

I would also like to see some of this:

http://i.imgur.com/m85bdic.png

http://i.imgur.com/ce6lJ4j.png

http://i.imgur.com/x4POlSg.png

and add seasons to classic zones:

http://i.imgur.com/AKJKoxY.png

*gets very excited about these*

*concern for self intensifies*

[mickmoranis]

would you like to know more?

http://i.imgur.com/2gypDKk.png

http://i.imgur.com/m73sA4w.png

http://i.imgur.com/9NVWTvy.png

http://i.imgur.com/pxiQXUN.png

Eq expansions COULD have been SO GOOD

[Izmael]

I'd just love to see leashing removed or at least restricted to the relevant zones such as ToV or PoF etc.

Leashing doesn't affect me in any way but still makes me a sad panda because P99 is supposed to be teh win and leashing removes some of the said win from P99.

[Lhancelot]

would you like to know more?

http://i.imgur.com/2gypDKk.png

http://i.imgur.com/m73sA4w.png

http://i.imgur.com/9NVWTvy.png

http://i.imgur.com/pxiQXUN.png

Eq expansions COULD have been SO GOOD

These are awesome.

[Lhancelot]

I would also like to see some of this:

http://i.imgur.com/m85bdic.png

http://i.imgur.com/ce6lJ4j.png

http://i.imgur.com/x4POlSg.png

and add seasons to classic zones:

http://i.imgur.com/AKJKoxY.png

And adding seasons, wow that would be so cool.

[bestovv]

classic client like on secrets' server

[Tetsuo]

Add a VSR mechanic to certain epic bottle necks/ remove epic MQing

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

every time to be tradeable. all the casuals dont need to spend hours looking at walls if they can buy stuff. also this will cause detoxx to sell vulak gear "for the guild bank".

[Crookstinger]

I would also like to see some of this:

http://i.imgur.com/x4POlSg.png

and add seasons to classic zones:

http://i.imgur.com/AKJKoxY.png

These two, particularly Qeynos Hills (and the prospect of other zones) in winter, get my motor running. Mmm hmmm.

[deezy]

This would also give rangers a class trainer close to Freeport, as I can't even remember the closest trainer other than a boat ride to get to Kelethin or a run to Surefall Glades.
There is a ranger trainer in kithicor

[mcoy]

I'd like a fix for the Titanium client update / sync issue. I can't tell you how many times I think I've medded to full; only to find that nope - that last tick didn't actually happen yet. Argh!

-Mcoy

[dannysgamble]

Oh man, if i had the power to change things on live... I thought about that a lot.

First and foremost, I'd change the starting stats for all Race/Class combos. I chose to believe that if a character can be a warrior, it's because they're built like a warrior whether they are a night elf or an ogre. Sure, there should be a modest difference in stats with an elf being more nimble (agi) and an ogre being more beefy (sta) but the differences should be narrower and each race/class should have a decent set of starting stats that makes sense for their role. I mean, consider real life, humans are a single race but have HUGE variations in characteristics ... the way the game aligns stats primarily to race vs role has always seemed backwards to me.

Secondly, I'd make some changes to hybrid classes. Rangers specifically, but all of them could use a little love. I think they could use some spell improvements, specifically on self only buffs, and they need way more versions of them throughout the levels. Specifically for Rangers, I feel they should have more Call of Sky type buffs and they should come in 2 classes, 1 that does proc dmg/reduces agro (DPS role), and another that Proc's a debuff and generates big threat (tank role). They wouldn't stack. I'd also make spells take less mana for hybrid classes, specifically buffs given how crappy their mana pools are. Small changes, but they'd do a lot to make these generally frowned upon classes more appealing while only changing them slightly.

Lastly, and probably closest to my heart because I love Rogues. Change poisons to work like a buff that gives a proc. Obviously, some tweaks of the effects might be needed, but the way they work now is just dumb. Poison is such a core element to rogue lore, and aside from Backstab its the only ability we have ... and it's basically useless due to it's single application/first hit mechanic. If we could proc poisons, it'd be a very minor dmg increase (given that we can already proc once per encounter) the ability for another couple procs to happen during a fight is a small increase in output.

That's my list :-) I'd also love to see additional quests, especially to update the gimpy stats on some planar gear to stats that actually matter :-/ but that's another thread ....

[Secrets]

I'd like a fix for the Titanium client update / sync issue. I can't tell you how many times I think I've medded to full; only to find that nope - that last tick didn't actually happen yet. Argh!

-Mcoy

This actually happens on live too.

[deathusurper]

I too, would be down for seeing people wiping their own ass. Instead of them pooping into a sock.

[skarlorn]

Remove common tongue force racial language.

Delete all toons without RP names.

Add raid quality loot to city leaders.

When you farm guards, you get flagged for PvP against people of that city.

[loramin]

Remove common tongue force racial language.

Delete all toons without RP names.

Add raid quality loot to city leaders.

When you farm guards, you get flagged for PvP against people of that city.

/drool

[Furiant]

I am pretty new but the most frustrating for me is the lack of an in-game map. I love the experience so far but I can tell already that this will be one of my main peeves.

[mickmoranis]

make it so this bullshit didnt happen

http://i.imgur.com/SmmaJkI.gif

[skarlorn]

is that supposed to be a realistic rendition of you being unable to click your clickies

[mickmoranis]

Literally change keys to ANYTHING but 11 fucking soulbound keys in a 8 slot inventory JESUS CHRIST

[Vallanor]

Remove common tongue force racial language.

Delete all toons without RP names.

Add raid quality loot to city leaders.

When you farm guards, you get flagged for PvP against people of that city.

Yes please. More RP elements is always a good thing

[Thiefboy777]

Put another raid boss in The Hole, Master Yael ain't cutting it. I would add better loot to the entire zone, such a cool zone but no really good items.

Raise the level of Kaesora and Dalnir and buff the loot, those zones never get used to level in, cool zones always empty, turn them into 55+ dungeon crawls throw a raid boss in each.

Throw a couple raid bosses in Sirens Grotto.

Buff Innoruuks loot to Cazic Thule quality.

Reset the Sleeper or put the Warders back with no scepter, fungi robe, gnome mask, or salandrite dagger at least... pretty much a wasted zone now.

Buff Tower of Frozen Shadow boss Raid boss status and loot.

Pretty much just make more endgame content, so many wasted unused zones could be buffed.

[Bummey]

make it so this bullshit didnt happen

http://i.imgur.com/SmmaJkI.gif

Turn this off, dingus

http://i.imgur.com/y0un7tv.png

also

http://i.imgur.com/XshxZ1O.png




Luclin is classic. PoP maybe less so, but still good.

[mickmoranis]

Turn this off, dingus

also

Luclin is classic. PoP maybe less so, but still good.

good tip

but as far as luclin goes I dont really get it, like, if you like all that stuff why not just go play live? you can play luclin fine on live. I just dont get it :confused:

[fadetree]

Luclin as it would be here and luclin on live are very different.

[Tecmos Deception]

I'm bummed by how few people echoed the "all we need is weekly, primetime repops" idea :(

It wouldn't make blue a utopia, but it'd mitigate the main issues that people seem to have with the higher-level scene, don't you think?

There'd be 1.5-2x as many raid targets to kill over the course of a month. Epic bottlenecks would open up to some extent as things like fear golems, verina tomb, etc. become less locked down by poopsockers because those same poopsockers would be rushing after "big" kills at the repops (besides respawning more often on the whole). A couple big guilds wouldn't be able to snag all of the "big" targets every time, leaving up still-significant things for longer periods for more casual guilds to take some shots at. Etc.

[Bummey]

fix the rogue epic haste

but as far as luclin goes I dont really get it, like, if you like all that stuff why not just go play live? you can play luclin fine on live. I just dont get it :confused:

It's not the same. When I was going through my 'level a ranger to 105' phase last year I logged on Phinigel to see the big deal. Made an assling rogue, zoned out into Misty Thicket, wait what is this no everything is wrong you can use /barter here why did they keep the zone revamps no everything's no is wrong why would you want this

[Amyas]

Remove random pet levels!

[angryjenkins]

Even in 1999 I wondered why enchanters made vials of mana, and why mages had the malosi line and the damage shield line. Seems to me wizards should have had these, being the mana harvesters and masters of elemental damage they are.

[Spyder73]

Even in 1999 I wondered why enchanters made vials of mana, and why mages had the malosi line and the damage shield line. Seems to me wizards should have had these, being the mana harvesters and masters of elemental damage they are.

I also always thought it strange that Enchanters got the Clarity line and Int buff and not Wizards. This simple change would make Wizards 1000% more desirable in groups and everyone would still be in love with Enchanters.

[Convict]

all the casuals dont need to spend hours looking at walls if they can buy stuff.

yeah they just have to spend 10x as long farming the plat to buy the stuff makes perfect sense

also this will cause detoxx to sell vulak gear "for the guild bank".
hehehehe

"its just for bladestopper recharge money I promise"

[Toomuch]

Personally, I feel like Luclin still had a fairly classic feel, and would like to see it released at some point. However, I don't think it'd be a good idea to enable turning your character into a vendor (/bazaar or /trader or whatever it was) - actual player interaction and communication was part of "classic", at least to me.

Planes of Power, while having some really cool content, was the beginning of the "let's make it easier for everyone to do X, Y, and Z" transition that the old Everquest we knew and loved went through, and really dumbed things down too much with the whole "just click on these 2 books to, in 5 minutes, travel the distance that just last week took you 2+ hours on foot, 1 hour if you had SoW, 30-40 mins if you were a bard, 20 mins if you could find a porter, and 10 mins if you were a porter" thing.

IMO - As much as we all love the true "classic" feel of Everquest, one of the biggest things that contributed to the whole feel was that it was constantly evolving and progressing. P99 is doomed to dwindle if we reach a point where there is literally nothing "new" left to release, because the "feel" of anticipation, need to prepare for the next big thing, or work towards something new, it will soon be absent, and people will look elsewhere for it. Luclin is "classic enough" to me, if it means that P99 can continue having a legitimate following.

[Toomuch]

As far as the "wipe red" and "diety change RP quests" ideas go, you all have inspired a couple gears to turn in my head, and come up with something truly interesting sounding (at least to me). Team-based PVP server, like Sullon Zek, but slightly different than anything seen before... Hear me out, I think this could be really freaking cool:

1: There will be 3 'Teams' or 'sides' - Good, Neutral, and Evil.
1a. Unlike Sullon Zek, the neutral team will be the true pacifists, and are not flagged to be able to engage in PvP. The real struggle is a battle between good and evil, and neutral people just do not want to get involved with killing each other (or do not want to do it anymore...).
1b. The 'Good' team will be those player characters that worship Erollisi Marr, Karana, Mithaniel Marr, Prexus, Rodcet Nife, Quellious, The Tribunal, and Tunare.
1c. The 'Evil' team will be those player characters that worship Bertoxxulous, Brell Serilis, Bristlebane, Cazic Thule, Innoruuk, Rallos Zek, Solusek Ro, and Veeshan.
1d. The 'Neutral' team will be those player characters that are Agnostic. (Agnostic would need to be enabled as an option for every legitimate race/class combination)

2: Team members can do RP based quests to either follow or unfollow a deity, and can effectively change teams.
2a. Any time a deity is picked, including at character creation, a lockout timer begins counting down from 336 hours (2 weeks) of played time, or 672 hours (4 weeks) of real time, before a deity change can take place (again). This would be in place to prevent too much team-swapping.
2b. The difficulty/complexity of these quests will vary based upon level range. **Possible Examples, open to ideas/suggestions**: under level 30, you may change your deity (or go Agnostic) by simply handing in your Tome of Order and Discord to a Priest of Discord, and can simply re-pick. After that, someone level 30-49 must complete a larger, more dangerous run-around quest, and receive a "Greater Tome of Order and Discord", and can again simply re-pick who they follow. Anyone level 50+ has to do a legitimately difficult/drawn out quest in order to change which deity they follow, or to go Agnostic, which quest would be very specific to your deity of choice.
2c. Players may only follow deities that they would normally be allowed to select at the character creation screen (with some possible exceptions for balance? Further discussion needed...) and of course allowing all players to be agnostic if they so choose.
2d. Characters will not be able to group with anyone that is not on their Deity Team. Characters will not be able to invite someone to join their guild that is not on their Deity Team. Beneficial effects can not be used on members of another team.

Lastly: Wipe Red, reboot with this underlying ruleset, and keep pretty much the rest of Red's ruleset. Red would be a lot more fun with A: a reboot, and B: a more fun ruleset like this. I remember back on Sullon Zek, some instances of needing to depend on certain team-mates who were were (at the time) in guilds I didn't particularly care for, and ended up making some good friends out of it. Team pvp creates a new level of hard-coded inter-dependency, which makes for a really fun, dynamic, and even immersive experience.

[maskedmelonpai]

P99 is doomed to dwindle if we reach a point where there is literally nothing "new" left to release, because the "feel" of anticipation, need to prepare for the next big thing, or work towards something new, that is absent, and people will look elsewhere for it. Luclin is "classic enough" to me, if it means that P99 can continue on being a thing.

i seen people say this, but it a really foreign thing to me. i got no feels for what coming. no anticipation. i just happy to get to revisit and spend time in this world that I thought evaporated many years ago. im a odd duck, but I have gathered many others here are too. i dunno that p99 need to progress beyond it mission to survive. I don't think it do ^^

[Spyder73]

I personally do not participate in PVP on Everquest because it is sh!t, but it seems the deity thing would not work unless you made a lot of changes. The good team would be the only ones with Clerics? Can DE still worship an evil god while clericing? Monks are either Quellis or Agnostic only. Necromancers are all evil...

I have not hashed it all out but somehow you would need to enable it so every group was able to pick any class or it would probably not work very well. The knights would be the only exception I can think of that would not be game breaking by only being able to be good or evil.

[maskedmelonpai]

I personally do not participate in PVP on Everquest because it is sh!t, but it seems the deity thing would not work unless you made a lot of changes. The good team would be the only ones with Clerics? Can DE still worship an evil god while clericing? Monks are either Quellis or Agnostic only. Necromancers are all evil...

I have not hashed it all out but somehow you would need to enable it so every group was able to pick any class or it would probably not work very well. The knights would be the only exception I can think of that would not be game breaking by only being able to be good or evil.

yeah, this why we need True freedom of religion, occupation and association. we'd need quests to allow any elf of any race to betray his people and embrace a lesser one, willfully subjecting himself to they less wry deity while embracing the backward and abhorrent crafts of that same patron.

say you enter norrath as a dwarf, but are disgusted with you people's love of drink and reluctance to leave they gem-encrusted hole. suppose against odds you a smart dorf and wanna make things. one day, you make up you mind and make formal you protest, with a bold poo on the steps to the temple of Brell. You are beaten and thrown from you home and now must traverse the faydark to reach the steamfont mountains, home of you enlightened brothers and sisters, blessed is they win the lithe frame and prominent cranium of divine intellect. tragically they look upon you gnarled and overmuscled form with disgust and deny you access to they guilds and institutes of higher education. you hafta slay many kobold to gain they favor and then undertake many menial tasks from they guild masters before they admit you to the school of you choice. you maybe reach level 8 before you finally earn enough faction and esteem to worship among your gnomepanions at the alter of Reason as a wizard of Agnostia.

[Toomuch]

Oh, I also had one other change from legitimate classic that I thought should have been a thing all along: Barbarians should be able to be rangers.

You're telling me there's not a single Northman that's adept at tracking beasts, friends, or foes? Not a single Northman is more inclined to be somewhat in-tune with nature? Not a single Northman prefers the bow over the broadsword?

And approaching it from another angle, Half-Elves can be paladins (but not clerics), and I can see that from a lore/role-playing perspective. If that's the case though, then I think that Barbarians should be able to be rangers (but not druids). Also, Halas is kind of a dismal little town. If it had one more nook/area to it that had a bunch of snowy trees and a couple cabins, and some tamed wolves, would that really have ruined the feel of Halas and the Barbarians? I don't think so.

I always wanted to be a Barbarian Ranger :(

[Toomuch]

I personally do not participate in PVP on Everquest because it is sh!t, but it seems the deity thing would not work unless you made a lot of changes. The good team would be the only ones with Clerics? Can DE still worship an evil god while clericing? Monks are either Quellis or Agnostic only. Necromancers are all evil...

I have not hashed it all out but somehow you would need to enable it so every group was able to pick any class or it would probably not work very well. The knights would be the only exception I can think of that would not be game breaking by only being able to be good or evil.

Dark Elf Clerics are actually Innoruuk ONLY right now (no option to be Agnostic).

On Sullon Zek they made it so that monks could be Veeshan, so that all 3 teams could have monks. I'd suggest the same adjustment here.

Basically, this ruleset would indeed make it so that there are not all classes/races on each team. There would be no 'Evil' druids/rangers/paladins, no evil High Elves. There would be no 'Good' Dark Elves, Necros or SK's. The Neutral team would essentially have access to everything, but would be lamers. Maybe they *should* be allowed to pvp? To me, the lore on Sullon Zek of calling them "Neutral" didn't make any sense if they would could/would band together and kick my ass, camp my corpse, train me repeatedly, etc. Maybe they could just be the Agnostic (Atheist) team? There are a lot of really outspoken Atheists out there in the real world, so I guess that could make sense from a lore perspective?

I guess that could go either way, whatever wins the vote. Either the Agnostics are PvP enabled and are simply considered the "Agnostic/Atheist" team, so that it's truly a full-on pvp server, OR they are not PvP enabled and are considered the "Agnostic/Neutral/Pacifist" team. If they were indeed PvP enabled, they they would definitely be overpowered, having access to all available types of races/classes and their respective buffs. My vote would be to have them be pacifists (pussifists).

[Vallanor]

I always wanted to be a Barbarian Ranger :(

I hadn't considered this, but you've now convinced me Barbarian rangers would make a lot of sense.

I've always thought Barbarian paladins were a no-brainer as well. Their deity is obsessed with justice ffs. I don't really consider the Tribunal a "good" god, but neither is Karana or Prexus. And as you said, half-elves can be paladins but not clerics, so a cleric base class is obviously not required.

Just annoys me that SKs can be large races but paladins can't. I'm sure I'd have still rolled erudite because Prexus is the best deity by far, but the option would have been nice...

So, add Barbarian paladin to the list of changes I guess. :)

[Tecmos Deception]

yeah they just have to spend 10x as long farming the plat to buy the stuff makes perfect sense

Eh. At least if all gear were tradeable, all gear would be available at some price. No drop makes loot rights more expensive than tradeable gear would be, and makes some items totally unavailable because it isn't worth the effort of the raiders to sell loot rights at all.

Getting rid of no drop would drive down prices on many items that currently can be traded because there would be more alternatives to them, would spread out solo/group farmers because some camps currently not "worth it" in terms of drops would become worth it, etc.

You can use the "but it's not classic" argument against all items being tradeable, but this "lol ok but only plat farmers would have stuff" crap is pretty obviously (seems obvious to me, anyway) nonsense.

[mickmoranis]

Getting drunk will make your mana bar refill very quickly... Try it out! You'll be AMAZED!

It also increases STR slightly and fucks up a bunch of other stats.

Very useful to get a little drunk so you can autorun thru trees.


saw this post in another thread.

I've always wanted since classic for alcohol to have a little bit more of a game changing feature, like I thought it would be cool for a warrior to want to remain in that perfect drunk window for the best stat bonus to stamina or something.

Like if you drink 5 drinks then 1 drink every 10 minuets, youll stay in this awesome window where you get like +20 Sta but if you drink 6 drinks instantly youll be at like -15 sta and if you drink too much you tank your stats to current drunk stats.

like i thought itd be cool to see warriors fucking up cus they were drunk and falling down and shit but all in the name of trying to keep that drunk level to the min max perfect level.

[mickmoranis]

I would like to try so if you hit max level 60 you could erase your character back to level 1, pick any class/race you want then start leveling again, but be able to retain 1 skill or 1 spell, and do this over and over and over again, each time getting to keep +1 spell/skill from the class/race you just leveled through. Maybe there is 1-2 spells that are teir 2, like you couldnt get the 96 rez until you have leveled through a cleric twice. ohhh the addictive properties/game breaking properties of this feature got me spinning in my desk chair.

[Vallanor]

Ooh another one that bothers me...

Make it so paladins get six PoSky quest rewards like everyone else, and make the rewards not shitty. They are the only class that only gets four quests and three of them are mediocre-to-terrible weapons. What were they thinking?

[fadetree]

That they hated paladins.

[Debaser8]

On Sullon Zek there were no evil paladins, druids or rangers and no good (and maybe neutral too) shadow knights and necros. Didn't hurt the evil teams ability to raid relative to the good and neutral teams.

I think if another teams server like SZ was made the neutral team members should be allowed to group with the good or evil teams and temporarily become good or evil team members. Also, the evil team should have internal pvp so, if you are evil you can attack anybody, that would be sweet.

[Vallanor]

That they hated paladins.

Haha pretty much.

[Jimjam]

Ooh another one that bothers me...

Make it so paladins get six PoSky quest rewards like everyone else, and make the rewards not shitty. They are the only class that only gets four quests and three of them are mediocre-to-terrible weapons. What were they thinking?

I have a quest for you. Kill the Noble, take his paladin-only armor and wear it.

[mickmoranis]

Haha pretty much.

well I think they were like, "they got the first epic weapon in the game long before those were even a thing"

the irony is it was brads favorite class

[Vallanor]

I have a quest for you. Kill the Noble, take his paladin-only armor and wear it.

Add clicky haste to one of those pieces, and I shall accept your quest.

[mickmoranis]

* fix zones like Lake of Ill Omen so that you can actually move into clear/visible areas (instead of being blocked by pointless invisible boundaries)

lol just went through BW to DL and that zoneline is like the level designer had a stroke while he was making it.

[mickmoranis]

I wonder what this game would look like if there was no clipping plane http://i.imgur.com/IdkAdsn.png

[Jimjam]

The clipping plane on live is far more distant than it is here to get a bit of an idea.

However, things don't fog out at the edge of the clip plane; you either see something or you don't, which doesn't look great.

[fadetree]

well I think they were like, "they got the first epic weapon in the game long before those were even a thing"

the irony is it was brads favorite class

omg WAS NOT EITHER. Ranger's got that distinction, and the shit nerfed out of them.

[talian21]

For the love of god just un-disable the LFG tool. It would take like 1 line of code removal.

If you are looking for the best "bang for your buck" improvement to our enjoyment of this server, now that TLP servers are rolling (or not), this would be it.

Otherwise, it'd have to be either:

-Open the SFG port. Half the original game is ignored by most except farmers, for lack of access.

- Fix the NPC inventory code (smarten, is perhaps a better term) so that bug exploits such as recharging items and multiquesting no longer work.


Any of these three could be what you are looking for: Best do all three to be safe.

=P

Edit: A vendor that recharged items by sucking the magic out of items you brought/gave them, would not only solve recharging, but also serve as a (much needed) means of getting rid of gear on a gear-overloaded server, fighting mudflation.

[branamil]

Edit: A vendor that recharged items by sucking the magic out of items you brought/gave them, would not only solve recharging, but also serve as a (much needed) means of getting rid of gear on a gear-overloaded server, fighting mudflation.

Downside: vendor recharges are basically the only plat sink worth speaking of. prepare for fungis to cost 1 million plat

[zodium]

The recharge-MQ loop is basically the only thing keeping the server (economy) stable by transferring pp generated by lower end players to higher end players via MQs and from there out of the economy via recharges and burnout/having nothing to buy. Without one or the other the the P99 economy would quickly hyperinflate and collapse into bartering and 1m pp fungis. It's a significant factor behind why P99 still has a market for low- to mid-end items this many years in.

If I could make one change I would allow 2-boxing, but only in EC, and only for 10 minutes at a time before the second client automatically disconnects.

[Troxx]

I drop traded a fungi yesterday.

Shared bank would be great - even if it was limited to one slot that could hold only 1 item and only hold bags if the bags were empty ... oh and a 5k plat limit. Such a change would allow for slow but safe transfer of funds gear and take the risk out of swapping high profile items around.

[Lhancelot]

I would suggest Pantheon, only because the originator of EQ1 has his fingerprints all over it. Other than that, I can't really suggest any other games to change to at this time.

***Also, Pantheon isn't out yet. So as it stands at this time, I can't suggest any games to change to.

[Lagaidh]

Something from the Arthurian romance: dwarven bards.

You trip over somebody singing a tale in Chretien de Troyes or Monmouth, and chances are you tripped over a dwarf.

EQ wise I think you'd have to nerf a DWF BRD. Maybe they could only twist a maximum of two songs hehe.

[Erazmus]

Critical Hits for wizard spells.

[Jimjam]

A 'wisebeard' human face. There isn't a good Gandalf look for human wizards with classic models.

[Whirled]

Is this just a wish list or would any of these ideas be considered for changes?

[Darkatar]

Is this just a wish list or would any of these ideas be considered for changes?

Excluding classic implementations, it's just a wish list.

I would be (pleasantly) surprised if they actually used any of these suggestions tbh.

[Lhancelot]

Is this just a wish list or would any of these ideas be considered for changes?

It's just a pointless wish list thread, crying about what should be and what isn't on p99. Basically drivel imo.

I just fail to see the point in wishing a game has this or that when it's not open to change and has been stated as such.

It's like looking at your new lovely puppy Noodles, and wishing he had fluffier hair or cuddled like your past puppy Bella did.

Just accept p99 as it is, and enjoy that for what it is worth. Let's look at the wonderful things and appreciate p99 for those things, not dwell on what it doesn't have.

Stupid thread is stupid thread.

[maskedmelonpai]

where does one get puppy noodles? they liek slow cooking or extra tender or something? they not made from actual puppies is they? it a metaphor?

*wonders*

[Sadiki]

- Quest timers adjusted for the demand. Leaving ring roll at 24h repop is ridiculous for this server, and classic EQ would have adjusted it if it was this big of a bottleneck back in the day, as they did with other things. EQ always changed bottlenecks eventually, even if they only got around to it during during Luclin or PoP era.

- Remove Luclin drakes from ToV, add in Call of the Zero and possibly adjust them to the point where they were rooted in place at their spawn. Promote crawling as much as possible and not this zoneline pulling shitfest. There's no new content but everyone is still pixel hoarding at a zoneline. Why? Luclin mobs just enforce zoneline pulling.

[mickmoranis]

I wonder what this game would look like if there was no clipping plane http://i.imgur.com/IdkAdsn.png

still wondering....

[mickmoranis]

It's just a pointless wish list thread, crying about what should be and what isn't on p99. Basically drivel imo.

I just fail to see the point in wishing a game has this or that when it's not open to change and has been stated as such.

It's like looking at your new lovely puppy Noodles, and wishing he had fluffier hair or cuddled like your past puppy Bella did.

Just accept p99 as it is, and enjoy that for what it is worth. Let's look at the wonderful things and appreciate p99 for those things, not dwell on what it doesn't have.

Stupid thread is stupid thread.

wow, dude let me explain someting to you.

If 5 people are standing around having a great time talking about a video game that 6 people play, theyre laughing sharing pics of cool things and talking about awesome mechancis they love... and the 6th guy sits there, with this shitty attitude and depressed outlook on life.

The only one that has a problem is the 6th guy. well lets be honest all 6 shouldnt be playing everquest... but since all 6 are, and 5 are having fun, and the 6th is this sad sack of potatos that cant... I pity you SO HARD

SO HARD

plz.

enjoy this shit.

and no

no one who has half a brain thinks this is shit that people are suggesting should be done by someone else, on their time, on THEIR emu.

Its just fun talk about everquest.

Plz dont be depressed around me, its depressing.

[Lhancelot]

where does one get puppy noodles? they liek slow cooking or extra tender or something? they not made from actual puppies is they? it a metaphor?

*wonders*

That's a weird combination of words I admit rofl. Puppy noodles. :D

[Lhancelot]

wow, dude let me explain someting to you.

If 5 people are standing around having a great time talking about a video game that 6 people play, theyre laughing sharing pics of cool things and talking about awesome mechancis they love... and the 6th guy sits there, with this shitty attitude and depressed outlook on life.

The only one that has a problem is the 6th guy. well lets be honest all 6 shouldnt be playing everquest... but since all 6 are, and 5 are having fun, and the 6th is this sad sack of potatos that cant... I pity you SO HARD

SO HARD

plz.

enjoy this shit.

and no

no one who has half a brain thinks this is shit that people are suggesting should be done by someone else, on their time, on THEIR emu.

Its just fun talk about everquest.

Plz dont be depressed around me, its depressing.


I think you have no idea what depression is.

[Sadiki]

Plz dont be depressed around me, its depressing.
Facepalm.

[Doctor Jeff]

lhancelot is the most subtle troll on the forum, nearly everyone laps up his shit posts like a dog eating kitty crunchies.

[mickmoranis]

I think you have no idea what depression is.

hey have fun, or continue to look at things that are fun as "waste of time and shitty and pointless"

and tell me youre not suffering from depression. :rolleyes:

[mickmoranis]

lhancelot is the most subtle troll on the forum, nearly everyone laps up his shit posts like a dog eating kitty crunchies.

he is a player, I will give him that.

but troll or no troll

i aint gonna stand fo that shit

[mickmoranis]

all that said, nilbog plz make doors stay open for like 1 more minuet at least after you open them PLEASE

[Lhancelot]

hey have fun, or continue to look at things that are fun as "waste of time and shitty and pointless"

and tell me youre not suffering from depression. :rolleyes:

I can't agree and "like" all posts/threads I read. I simply shared my opinion with another poster is all.

How being critical of one thread I personally find uninspiring and unimaginative makes me depressed is also beyond me.

I simply expressed I didn't care for moaning about this and that, what would make p99 better etc., as I see no point to it.

The very things that are missing from p99 actually are why I enjoy it so much. :p

[Canelek]

all that said, nilbog plz make doors stay open for like 1 more minuet at least after you open them PLEASE

Or let us drop an object, like a brick or beer bottle, to prop locked doors open for a bit. :D

[maskedmelonpai]

I can't agree and "like" all posts/threads I read. I simply shared my opinion with another poster is all.

How being critical of one thread I personally find uninspiring and unimaginative makes me depressed is also beyond me.

I simply expressed I didn't care for moaning about this and that, what would make p99 better etc., as I see no point to it.

The very things that are missing from p99 actually are why I enjoy it so much. :p

yeah, but lhance, there good changes and bad changes. bad ones are happy liek, mooncats, shared banks and interface improvements that make EQ more happy. good ones are things liek ones that originally existed liek on special classic ruleset servers or in they spirit by promoting the "make you own fun" aspect of EQ that missing from newer games :3 and they not hafta happen on blue, they could be a nother server ^^ and you not need feel threatens by either the bad happy ideas or the fantastic good ones because fathers nil of and rote an ain't gonna ever go for any ^^

[Lhancelot]

yeah, but lhance, there good changes and bad changes. bad ones are happy liek, mooncats, shared banks and interface improvements that make EQ more happy. good ones are things liek ones that originally existed liek on special classic ruleset servers or in they spirit by promoting the "make you own fun" aspect of EQ that missing from newer games :3 and they not hafta happen on blue, they could be a nother server ^^ and you not need feel threatens by either the bad happy ideas or the fantastic good ones because fathers nil of and rote an ain't gonna ever go for any ^^

This is how it always begins MM, it starts out innocently enough, then that little tiny so-called idea snowballs and the next thing you know p99 is full of updates and stuff making it resemble Agnarr on crack!

I concede though. Shared bank is a great idea. :D

[Heavydrop]

What is one P99 rule or game mechanic that you would implement, should you have the power, that you think would enhance the enjoyment of all players?

Shared banking for crying out loud.

So cumbersome and a pain in the *bleep* to have to either do a drop and squat exchange, or wait around for someone to play hot potato with a bag of gear....

Wishful thinking?

It doesn't change the game that much, and it would improve the server economy in my opinion. More gear and plat would move quicker due to ease of exchange from mains to mules, and vice versa

[Batso]

Tuesday maintenance

[Sorn]

1. shared bank slots
2. Nerf Soulfire so only pallies can use it
3. have some actual moderation in the forums to get rid of at least most of the trolls
4. more regular patches and updates to fix bugs/issues

[skarlorn]

Sorn, it's really best to keep all the trolls here. You don't want them unleashed on the world. Imagine what would happen if the worst trolls here refocused that dark Energy on RL.. I shudder...

No, here at least there are Good Trolls such as myself that keep them in check and at bay

/tips warted fedora

[Sorn]

Sorn, it's really best to keep all the trolls here. You don't want them unleashed on the world. Imagine what would happen if the worst trolls here refocused that dark Energy on RL.. I shudder...

No, here at least there are Good Trolls such as myself that keep them in check and at bay

/tips warted fedora

There are no good trolls. I say we kill them all.

*casts Wildfire on your fedora and bows mockingly* m'lady

[sox7d]

enchanters lose C
wizards get C
bards and druids lose track
no mq

[Lhancelot]

1. shared bank slots
2. Nerf Soulfire so only pallies can use it
3. have some actual moderation in the forums to get rid of at least most of the trolls
4. more regular patches and updates to fix bugs/issues

Since we are moanquesting atm about what updates would be great to patch in, I like all of these ideas but just want to add more on this topic.

If they fix Soulfire, why not fix all the clickies that get recharged rendering raids a giant crapfest of click? Fix them all then, every item that is exploited - not just Soulfire.

Also, exactly how do you moderate trolling?

Trolling to one person isn't trolling to another, and let's be honest some trolling is harmless and only done in fun, genuinely written to create playful banter with other people. The problem is some people seem unable to differentiate what is being written in fun and take it personal or too seriously.

Not sure how you expect them to moderate more than they already do, as they ensure people do not use racist epithets or other extremely upsetting and vulgar words which are personal attacks and highly upsetting to others.

There are no good trolls. I say we kill them all.

*casts Wildfire on your fedora and bows mockingly* m'lady

Nice try Skarlorn, he sees through your deceitful shroud of eloquently written words. :p

[skarlorn]

Sorn just jealous him not RNF skilled. :(

[Sorn]

Also, exactly how do you moderate trolling?

Trolling to one person isn't trolling to another, and let's be honest some trolling is harmless and only done in fun, genuinely written to create playful banter with other people. The problem is some people seem unable to differentiate what is being written in fun and take it personal or too seriously.

Not sure how you expect them to moderate more than they already do, as they ensure people do not use racist epithets or other extremely upsetting and vulgar words which are personal attacks and highly upsetting to others.

It crosses a line when you have a whole subculture for trolling. The harmless trolling you mention is more like teasing. If I tell someone I'm going to sacrifice them in the name of Cazic Thule while on my iksar, that's not going to be considered trolling by anyone.

On p99 we've got people who will call each other useless cucks, promote white supremacy in subtle and various forms, write long misogynist posts, call each other disabled, gossip, revel in shitposting, and at this point they rate the trolliness of everyone else's posts. It's a game to see how far they can push it before they get banned (temporarily, for some reason). Forumquesters who roleplay on the forum as various awful types of people or trolls, who roll 'alts' and pretend to be other people? That is insanity. I'm sure someone out there is thinking 'oh, lighten up, Sorn, it's a game we play and it's fun, you just have no sense of humor'. Sure, if I lose my sense of right and wrong, I too can hang out in RnF all day bemoaning the lack of good threads or making shitposts while thinking anyone who hates forumquest is just too sensitive. As it is, I absolutely do not take any post on here or anything I see in-game personally and I do recognize the in-joke aspect of it, but I still don't think it has a place here.

You're saying 'the definition of trolling is subjective as long as no one's using vulgar words or personal attacks'. It's like the one guy at a party telling everyone to lighten up when they don't find the joke about black people funny and no one gets his sense of humor and what's the problem since he didn't use the 'n' word, except 30% of the party is comprised of people just like that one guy and the host is ignoring what's going on. They might be great guys elsewhere, but left unchecked they consider it acceptable to ruin a party by being unpleasant and telling shitty jokes.

90% of p99 players do not come to the forums because these people turn it into a toxic cesspool for their own pleasure. If you can't see it, then you're in too deep. Moderation on these forums is negligible if all they look out for is technicalities like bad words. Should the bare minimum for enforcement of common decency be to make sure no one makes public death threats or uses bad words?

I think it's bullshit that you're arguing that it's subjective. It's only subjective because the trolls have chased off most of the sane people who don't find forumquesting amusing, leaving only themselves in a little echo chamber so they can pretend they're the majority and can define sanity. This is the culture that helped enable GG to cause all the chaos he did in the beginning when he should have been seeking help or finding better things to do with his life. This is the culture that promotes casual sociopathy and tries to excuse it by telling the rest to lighten up. Five minutes browsing RnF or Off Topic is all a regular player would need to understand this.

The troll subculture is endemic to gaming and the internet, but it needn't be so prominent in p99. Our shit standards for moderating the forums, the obsessive persistence of our trolls, and the management of the CSR side enabling this sort of nonsense leads to this forum being a haven for such things. We represent the p99 community as a forum. Sadly, as a whole we do a truly awful job. If you are so bored that you don't play anymore and just shitpost on the forums, consider leaving. Annoyed that random people reading the shitposts don't get your humor or take offense to your bullshit? Keep it to elfpals where they truly understand you.

That's all I've got to say on the topic. Thanks for reading.

[Lhancelot]

I think it's bullshit that you're arguing that it's subjective.

Anytime something written is hurtful and abusive, or insultive in nature such as using a recognized racial slur that's not necessarily trolling, that's being an insensitive scumbag.

I think you confuse trolling with abusive behavior, when in actuality trolling is not by definition as you described.

They moderate people on the forums when they cross the line and do all the nasty things you described above, things like using bigoted terms or racial slurs. Again, doing that is not being a troll.

Trolling can be done within the context of the game and what is written about the game on the forums, and for me I see no issue with that.

IMO, trolling is in essence fishing for attention via wordplay, and anyone that writes on the forums does so for the very same purpose. Some do so more than others.

This is my viewpoint, while others may feel that it should be fine to call someone a racial slur or homophobic slur... That's why I said it's a subjective opinion, what should be allowed or not.

We both may agree that slurs should not be allowed, but the fact is some other people feel it's bogus they cannot use such terms or words. How can you say this is not subjective then?

[skarlorn]

On p99 we've got people who will call each other useless cucks, promote white supremacy in subtle and various forms, write long misogynist posts, call each other disabled, gossip, revel in shitposting, and at this point they rate the trolliness of everyone else's posts.

You're comparing white supremacists, misogynists, and those who lob heated personal attacks to ones who have created a subculture of forum friends who use memes to entertain themselves on a forum for people who play project 1999 everquest.

Please note that the Mods created a place called RNF where the sole purpose is to shit talk other p99 players. It says 'enter at your own risk.' They will suspend you for RNF style trolling outside of RNF. (edit: they have also recently suspended a bunch of people for hate speech and stuff WITHIN RNF.)

There's a difference, Sorn. I think you are being a little sanctimonious here.

[Lhancelot]

You're comparing white supremacists, misogynists, and those who lob heated personal attacks to ones who have created a subculture of forum friends who use memes to entertain themselves on a forum for people who play project 1999 everquest.

Please note that the Mods created a place called RNF where the sole purpose is to shit talk other p99 players. It says 'enter at your own risk.' They will suspend you for RNF style trolling outside of RNF. (edit: they have also recently suspended a bunch of people for hate speech and stuff WITHIN RNF.)

There's a difference, Sorn. I think you are being a little sanctimonious here.

Yeah even better worded, that's what I was tryin to say! :D

Nice word useage bro, you in rare form today! I love the word SANCTIMONIOUS!

[skarlorn]

thank you lhance, i appreciate your appreciation!

[Lhancelot]

thank you lhance, i appreciate your appreciation!

I had to look it up to be sure of the meaning I feel dum. Always good to refresh the vocabulary though.

[skarlorn]

I feel like Sorn might have just dropped a text-wall and now is refusing to discuss it. That's like walking in to a room of people, telling them that three quarters of them deserve to be put in prison for life, shitting in the middle of the room, and then walking out.

Kind of cool, I guess. But also very rude!

Hopefully he is just busy in RL and will get back to us soon :)

[loramin]

On p99 we've got people who will call each other useless cucks, promote white supremacy in subtle and various forms, write long misogynist posts, call each other disabled, gossip, revel in shitposting ...

...but I still don't think it has a place here ...

... 90% of p99 players do not come to the forums because these people turn it into a toxic cesspool for their own pleasure.

So, just to be clear, I have absolutely nothing at all against a bunch of adults having fun on the internet in a non-PC way ... but I agree with Sorn just because I think this forum should be for people who want to discuss EverQuest first, and those people second. If that fun scares away people who just want to talk EverQuest (and it does; I don't know how many times I've heard people in-game bash this forum and its toxicity), then it doesn't belong here.

And maybe it never belonged here in the first place: if you enjoy RnF there are plenty of other non-15+-year-old-elf-sim forums you can have that fun in (eg. 4chan). But if you came to discuss classic EverQuest and are disgusted by the RnF community/spirit here (which absolutely bleeds over in to how people act in non-RnF forums) you don't really have any other option: /r/project1999 on Reddit gets maybe one post a day.

[Lhancelot]

I feel like Sorn might have just dropped a text-wall and now is refusing to discuss it. That's like walking in to a room of people, telling them that three quarters of them deserve to be put in prison for life, shitting in the middle of the room, and then walking out.

Kind of cool, I guess. But also very rude!

Hopefully he is just busy in RL and will get back to us soon :)

I assumed when he said, "thanks for reading" he was ending any further discussion on it.

I think Sorn is in a bad mood today, and felt the urge to vent on the forums tbh. :(

[maskedmelonpai]

It crosses a line when you have a whole subculture for trolling. The harmless trolling you mention is more like teasing.

i glad this not just a opinion or something ^^

If I tell someone I'm going to sacrifice them in the name of Cazic Thule while on my iksar, that's not going to be considered trolling by anyone.

no, but tbh, i not gonna hold it against you neither, because you bound by you disgusting lizard nature which aspire to those sorta foul activities. it not you fault you seek to sate the bloodlust of you primitive god :3

On p99 we've got people who will call each other useless cucks, promote white supremacy in subtle and various forms,

woah there, don't think I've seen any subtle promotions of white supremacy here.

write long misogynist posts,

outside of satire, not sure i seen this neither :c maybe in red subforum?

call each other disabled,

you mean autistic, or retarded or downs? the last one I find a little mean because it demean people with down syndrome and they obviously have problems the rest of us don't, but calling people retarded is fine and autistic is more funny because it speaks to one's nature. personally i would find it mildly offensive if you considered all autistic peoples 'disabled'.

gossip,

pretty misogynistic objection :3

revel in shitposting,

...crude and wanton were they in their ways, finding great delight they own debasement.

and at this point they rate the trolliness of everyone else's posts. It's a game to see how far they can push it before they get banned (temporarily, for some reason). Forumquesters who roleplay on the forum as various awful types of people or trolls, who roll 'alts' and pretend to be other people? That is insanity.

i don't think you understand the number or nature of the players. to be fair though, you probably not want to neither, but that okay too. it you choice ^^

I'm sure someone out there is thinking 'oh, lighten up, Sorn, it's a game we play and it's fun, you just have no sense of humor'. Sure, if I lose my sense of right and wrong, I too can hang out in RnF all day bemoaning the lack of good threads or making shitposts while thinking anyone who hates forumquest is just too sensitive.

nobody say you too sensitive, sorn. it okay to be upset by things. in my opinion it better to be sad than angry though because anger is more destructive. it not worth getting upset or worrying about things you can't change and the more you able to adapt to various situations the less chance you gonna have of being unhappy.

it liek with food, you you can hate vegetables and seafood and ketchup and whatever else you want, but all that do is give you more opportunity to be unhappy :c because of you chose to liek them things instead, you not never gonna hafta be frustrated when someone mess up and you end up with a onion in you sandwich or whatever ^^

As it is, I absolutely do not take any post on here or anything I see in-game personally and I do recognize the in-joke aspect of it, but I still don't think it has a place here.

because you don't like it?

You're saying 'the definition of trolling is subjective as long as no one's using vulgar words or personal attacks'. It's like the one guy at a party telling everyone to lighten up when they don't find the joke about black people funny and no one gets his sense of humor and what's the problem since he didn't use the 'n' word, except 30% of the party is comprised of people just like that one guy and the host is ignoring what's going on. They might be great guys elsewhere, but left unchecked they consider it acceptable to ruin a party by being unpleasant and telling shitty jokes.

90% of p99 players do not come to the forums because these people turn it into a toxic cesspool for their own pleasure. If you can't see it, then you're in too deep. Moderation on these forums is negligible if all they look out for is technicalities like bad words. Should the bare minimum for enforcement of common decency be to make sure no one makes public death threats or uses bad words?

lotta statistics in there, but to the point you trying to demonstrate, you are perfectly normal, you not a odd duck, you needn't feel threatened by a obvious minority. personally I think it a beautiful part of the Internet! it allow the weirdos to find others liek them and reception for they creative expression. it give everyone a opportunity to learn :3

I think it's bullshit that you're arguing that it's subjective.

that a retarded thought ^^


It's only subjective because the trolls have chased off most of the sane people who don't find forumquesting amusing, leaving only themselves in a little echo chamber so they can pretend they're the majority and can define sanity.

you not a minority, you are sane and normal. you don't need to worry about that. don't think any of the deviant personalities here consider theyselfs or at least what they doing, normal. don't think there are many genuinely insidious personalities either ^^

This is the culture that helped enable GG to cause all the chaos he did in the beginning when he should have been seeking help or finding better things to do with his life. This is the culture that promotes casual sociopathy and tries to excuse it by telling the rest to lighten up. Five minutes browsing RnF or Off Topic is all a regular player would need to understand this.

actually GG was wildly popular with the community at large because his work was normal, it undoubtedly the reason why you joined his DoF: because you understood it and wanted to entertain people too.

The troll subculture is endemic to gaming and the internet, but it needn't be so prominent in p99. Our shit standards for moderating the forums, the obsessive persistence of our trolls, and the management of the CSR side enabling this sort of nonsense leads to this forum being a haven for such things. We represent the p99 community as a forum. Sadly, as a whole we do a truly awful job. If you are so bored that you don't play anymore and just shitpost on the forums, consider leaving. Annoyed that random people reading the shitposts don't get your humor or take offense to your bullshit? Keep it to elfpals where they truly understand you.

i didn't understand a lotta things at first, but I liek to learn and am more pliable than most people, so I engaged. I've learned lots. you only not gonna learn if you choose not to ^^

That's all I've got to say on the topic. Thanks for reading.

^^

I feel like Sorn might have just dropped a text-wall and now is refusing to discuss it. That's like walking in to a room of people, telling them that three quarters of them deserve to be put in prison for life, shitting in the middle of the room, and then walking out.

Kind of cool, I guess. But also very rude!

Hopefully he is just busy in RL and will get back to us soon :)

it okay, i stepped it in too :c

[skarlorn]

and it does; I don't know how many times I've heard people in-game bash this forum

likewise, almost every time I log onto Filbus and go somewhere I get at least 1 tell from someone telling me how much they like to read my forum posting. Or they start RPing with me, depending on the person.

My point is that there are two sides to the argument of the silent masses, those who do not like forums and those who love it but still don't post.

Mods made forum with RNF because the Mods want RNF. If you'll notice, Server Chat has the highest view count, followed by RNF... so I'd say you already have your wish of "EQ first and Flames second"

If you find the existence of RNF to be so distasteful, I would point out (again) that it's here because the mods want it. You may not like it, but then it would be important to get over it, just like someone who wishes luclin models were still available.

Also, this is suggestion is not relevant to the thread at hand, as it's a thread about "game changes."

[loramin]

likewise, almost every time I log onto Filbus and go somewhere I get at least 1 tell from someone telling me how much they like to read my forum posting. Or they start RPing with me, depending on the person.

I actually get compliments on my posts too in-game, and you know what the last two were? Something to the effect of "you're not a shit poster like most of the people on the forum" (and that was literally the entire compliment from one person).

Mods made forum with RNF because the Mods want RNF.

Absolutely, and it's their forum and they can/will/should do what they want with it. But I'm entitled to disagree, and even if they once thought that RnF was a good idea, they could always change their minds based on the effect it's had on the larger forum ... or at least start moderating more heavily outside of it to create a more friendly non-RnF environment.

[Lhancelot]

I actually get compliments on my posts too in-game, and you know what the last two were? Something to the effect of "you're not a shit poster like most of the people on the forum" (and that was literally the entire compliment from one person).



Absolutely, and it's their forum and they can/will/should do what they want with it. But I'm entitled to disagree, and even if they once that RnF was a good idea, they could always change their minds based on the effect it's had on the larger forum.

I think by feeling things you personally don't like to read shouldn't be here is not fair.

As long as people are not being insultive or derogatory to one another, it's better to let the flow of conversation be.

You can't stifle what people write about on an open forum without destroying the creativity that is born from it.

Negativity and mean-spirited posts are inappropriate particularly in certain parts of these forums, but it's inevitable sometimes such things are written.

I think the mods do a fine job here, they let some stuff go, but then they also drop the hammer when someone loses control.

[loramin]

I think by feeling things you personally don't like to read shouldn't be here is not fair.


You personally don't like tranny porn, but some people do: is it unfair to keep it out of an old elf-sim forum?

Everyone has a line, and this forum has a line. I would argue that as a result of the RnF forum (which, again, does not keep all RnF behavior in that forum) that line has moved too far in the wrong direction here, and the numerous P99-ers who avoid this forum as a result speaks to that.

But again, I'm not assigning any sort of value judgement to people who enjoy RnF (it'd be hypocritical since I do too). I just think this forum shouldn't scare people who came here for (what should be its primary purpose): talking about EQ.

[skarlorn]

I actually get compliments on my posts too in-game, and you know what the last two were? Something to the effect of "you're not a shit poster like most of the people on the forum" (and that was literally the entire compliment from one person).


See? my point is proven. There are two sides of the audience, so the argument that "because some people in game don't like it one way" and "because some people in the game like it one way" doesn't work, Loramin! You hear that it's bad, and I hear that it's good.

If people want to make the forums less shit-posty, they can get online and start posting in cool and normal ways. Lord knows we need more people here anyway!

PS - it's not about who gets compliments or ego, I was simply enumerating my own anecdotal evidence w/ only means available.

PPS - Your'e right, you have every right to disagree about the forum culture. THIS IS A FORUM FOR DIALOGUE AS PER SE

;)

[Lhancelot]

You personally don't like tranny porn, but some people do: is it unfair to keep it out of an old elf-sim forum?

You can't compare porn to writing directly to someone or about someone here on the forums who we communicate with regularly who we may even consider friends.

Which is what you said right?

You have a problem with people writing to others on the forums about one another, when they are not directly writing about game stuff which in your opinion is the only thing that should be written about here in the forums.

Think you going a bit far in trying to prove your point.

[loramin]

Let's say you have a brother with a mental handicap. You come here to talk about Ranger bow kiting and see people using the word "retard", which is as offensive to you as the word "******" is to some people. Do you:

A) post here more to make the forum a better place?

or:

B) run away and never come back?

[ErlickBachman]

I'd make Sleeper a quarterly or bi-yearly reset. Thus allowing players a shot at looting the Primal Velium Weapons.

[Lhancelot]

...it okay, i stepped it in too :c

This was really long but detailed and expresses the type of person you are. Enjoyed reading it.

[Lhancelot]

Let's say you have a brother with a mental handicap. You come here to talk about Ranger bow kiting and see people using the word "retard", which is as offensive to you as the word "******" is to some people. Do you:

A) post here more to make the forum a better place?

or:

B) run away and never come back?

I would use common sense, and probably notice that the word "retard" is commonly used but not in the context I always thought it was used in.

P.S. I had an autistic "retarded" stepbrother, and guess what? The use of the word doesn't anger me, doesn't make me want to run away, and doesn't make me want to try to "enlighten" people to not use it. Sometimes you got to use some common sense.

[skarlorn]

I would post here every time.

But then, my personality type is conflict-confronting, not conflict-avoiding.

Loramin, people have taken extremely aggressive personal attacks against me on stuff like the fact that I had my colon removed surgically to treat a horrible disease. I literally had a person call me a brain-addled drug addict because I was on pain medication for a short period of time following a surgery. I shared a little on the forum and it was used as fodder for the cannons by the worst of the trolls.

So this isn't a hypothetical question for me.

I don't condone personal attacks. Ppl who do that should be banned because it goes against forum rules. And yet, I am still posting, making RP threads, supporting events, helping new players, and also, yes, Trolling RNF.

God bless America!

[Lhancelot]

I would post here every time.

But then, my personality type is conflict-confronting, not conflict-avoiding.

Loramin, people have taken extremely aggressive personal attacks against me on stuff like the fact that I had my colon removed surgically to treat a horrible disease. I literally had a person call me a brain-addled drug addict because I was on pain medication for a short period of time following a surgery. I shared a little on the forum and it was used as fodder for the cannons by the worst of the trolls.

So this isn't a hypothetical question for me.

I don't condone personal attacks. Ppl who do that should be banned because it goes against forum rules. And yet, I am still posting, making RP threads, supporting events, helping new players, and also, yes, Trolling RNF.

God bless America!

Boggles my mind how someone can't match wits with others so instead they levy personal attacks on them.

I personally enjoyed the fact you were able to share some personal tribulation with the forums, and was disappointed that some would use that to try to insult you.

those were some fun forumquesting times there. :p

[skarlorn]

lots of people who hurt deeply within resort to hurting others instead of recognizing their internal pain and changing it to compassion for the world

Similarly, lots of people look on those who are hurting, lashing out at others, and say "they should be gotten rid of."

[Pokesan]

speaking as a pretty big off topic weirdo, sorn is right. moderate better.

[Lhancelot]

lots of people who hurt deeply within resort to hurting others instead of recognizing their internal pain and changing it to compassion for the world

Similarly, lots of people look on those who are hurting, lashing out at others, and say "they should be gotten rid of."

Yeah that's true. It really takes a lot for me to dislike someone, let alone hate them.

I found a long time ago, when I ran across someone that initially annoyed me often times I found it easier to deal with them when I recognized some good quality in them.

I would then run this through my mind, and that person subconsciously understood I did not dislike them as most others seemed to, and they tended to show me their better side.

This made the job I had much easier, as this philosophy I adopted when dealing with "difficult" people was quite effective in making that job easier.

I often times got along with people that many of my coworkers despised, because in all honesty the majority of people you meet in life actually do have some good innate qualities within them.

It's very rare you run across a true sociopath that has nothing to offer the world. They exist, and it is these people who are the real monsters that deserve to be cast away and forgotten.

***I have a lot of disdain for thieves though. Can't tolerate them.

[HippoNipple]

A link on homepage for medicaid and welfare.

[skarlorn]

Agree that there could be better moderation, esp in Off Topic. But agreeing with Sorn means you'd be banned and disallowed from posting here Pokesan :p

[Pokesan]

Agree that there could be better moderation, esp in Off Topic. But agreeing with Sorn means you'd be banned and disallowed from posting here Pokesan :p

nuke the politics thread and its posters. standing orders to nuke any political thread with extreme prejudice. God Bless Norrath

[skarlorn]

Agreed dude. It's one of the scariest places on the net I've lurked in recent years.

[Lhancelot]

nuke the politics thread and its posters. standing orders to nuke any political thread with extreme prejudice. God Bless Norrath

I don't touch politics or religion with internet elfs.

Why bother when you can have heated passionate debates over topics like ogres having hidden values, or why all clickies used on raids should be nerfed? :D

Politics and religion are topics for lazy trolls or close friends and family who you know won't hunt you down and try to kill you over having an opposing viewpoint.

[maskedmelonpai]

my participation in the poli thread has gone down because i not so interested discussion of events or people because i don't really have the knowledge to contribute meaningfully. im not really interested in pursuing the knowledge either because it not likely to stick with me anyway.

i more interested in exploring the merrit of basic ideas because then my brain can work on just that one thing ^^. with regard to politics we seem to have exhausted that.

i learned lots though and still find posts from ATG/mick (among others) super entertaining and I think that thread is a colorful repository of character development, interesting dialogue and creative thought ^^ i liek it :3 sure, some of it is inflammatory or insensitive, but i don't see it deserving a nuke ^^

[pogs4ever]

you cant eat while feign death.

you can die of hunger or thirst after a period of time

[Darkatar]

my participation in the poli thread has gone down because i not so interested discussion of events or people because i don't really have the knowledge to contribute meaningfully. im not really interested in pursuing the knowledge either because it not likely to stick with me anyway.

i more interested in exploring the merrit of basic ideas because then my brain can work on just that one thing ^^. with regard to politics we seem to have exhausted that.


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[solrokk]

./tgb to work