Enchanter 5 remaining points - INT or STA?

[Xantarr]

Hey all, returning after a long time absent and starting an enchanter (switching from my bard because carpal tunnel). Playing HIE, agnostic, and putting 25 stat points into CHA. Where should the remaining 5 go? All of my reading suggests either INT or STA. I know it's only 5 points but hey. Cheers.

[Nibblewitz]

Honestly, I would put those last 5 points into STR.

STA doesn't amount to much hitpoints and you will be able to cap your INT.

[alexnoshinku]

STR, you will cap both your CHA and INT easly when geared right and with your self buffs. You so need the STR trust me... :)

[Xantarr]

With weight reduction bags I'll be alright on strength, I think

[Samoht]

Recommending STR as well. STA gives negligible return and INT is easily capped with gear/buffs.

[alexnoshinku]

With weight reduction bags I'll be alright on strength, I think

not always, I am usually always over weight since I went with INT instead of STR. I have the 50% and the 75% weight reduction bags on my character and my weight is always around 60/55 somehow..every now and then i'll make it down to 58/55 when I am not carrying money. If I have a STR buff then Im usually hitting 58/98. just depends on what all you need to carry, at low levels its fine but once you start getting your OT hammer, keys, etc it starts adding up.

[Samoht]

Also, weight reduction bags do not affect the gear you are currently wearing.

[alexnoshinku]

Also, weight reduction bags do not affect the gear you are currently wearing.

^^ That is also something to think about when you start really gearing up, I know my gear is pretty much 90% of my weight.

[Xantarr]

Good points, all. Strength it is! Thanks guys.

[Tecmos Deception]

The whole "you cap int and cha easily with buffs" thing isn't terribly accurate. It's basically advice for at 60 and if you are getting raid (or at least lots of nice solo/group/droppable) gear.

Especially without serious twinking and MOST ESPECIALLY while leveling up, you won't likely have both above 200 let alone at 255... especially if you want to wear any hp or resist gear, keep a goblin ring equipped instead of swapping out, and so on. You need stuff like epic, planar/thurg armor, nice droppable items, and self buffs at 55+ to cap out both. And even if you do own gear that can cap both, you probably will want to swap out int or cha or both for more hp and mr.

I'd be surprised for a chanter to be at the point where int and cha are both 255 with buffs and you've also got some semblance of hp, mp, resists short of having multiple TOV pieces.

[mickmoranis]

STR, you will cap both your CHA and INT easly when geared right and with your self buffs. You so need the STR trust me... :)

not true at all, capping charisma is actually quite difficult with pretty much 100% of the tradeable items and many no drop raid items, until you are a immersed loser getting velious raid loot, and like a lot of it, which for an enchanter is like the worst fun you'll have in EQ, ever.

So yeah, no dont "not" worry about capping your charisma because anyone who says you can do it with like siren hair hoods is a liar and not actually speaking from experience.

Recommending STR as well. STA gives negligible return and INT is easily capped with gear/buffs.

Sta is worthless on a caster as far as I can tell, kits like 1 hp per sta point lol what a joke

[Xantarr]

not true at all, capping charisma is actually quite difficult with pretty much 100% of the tradeable items and many no drop raid items, until you are a immersed loser getting velious raid loot, and like a lot of it, which for an enchanter is like the worst fun you'll have in EQ, ever.

So yeah, no dont "not" worry about capping your charisma because anyone who says you can do it with like siren hair hoods is a liar and not actually speaking from experience.

Sta is worthless on a caster as far as I can tell, kits like 1 hp per sta point lol what a joke

I'm already putting the maximum 25 points into charisma, so it's irrelevant whether it's hard to cap. The question is what to do with the last 5 points.

[mickmoranis]

I would do int.. you wont be capping both cha and int, ever. Unless you are really sick.

[Tecmos Deception]

Mick's exaggerating as much as someone who says capping your stats is easy.

255 charisma even without your best charisma buff isn't that bad at all. You'll have almost no int or hp or resist gear though. +100 charisma from gear is possible for like under 10kpp. +50 probably costs 500pp.

[mickmoranis]

Mick's exaggerating as much as someone who says capping your stats is easy.

255 charisma even without your best charisma buff isn't that bad at all. You'll have almost no int or hp or resist gear though. +100 charisma from gear is possible for like under 10kpp. +50 probably costs 500pp.

lol you saying you can piece together 255 charisma on a well balanced set of gear for an enchanter, say.. pre level 55 with no raid gear?

Lets see the magelo.

[mickmoranis]

o look here is a great set of end game gear that is totally achievable for the slightly sick/non totally sick and it is in no way close to 255 https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Pons

I seriously think it would be difficult to sacrafice all your other stats for 255 cha and still hit it without some serious luck or time put into raiding, but even if I was wrong and you could, when mez takes 7% of your mana pool at level 60 then thats a problem that STA or STR aint going to fix.

Not that 50 extra mana will either but you know, its still better than those 12 extra hit points or that copper/silver you dont have to delete /shrug

[Samoht]

o look here is a great set of end game gear that is totally achievable for the slightly sick/non totally sick and it is in no way close to 255 https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Pons

Are you an idiot or does 203 + 50 = 253? Yea that's no way close to 255, right? Maybe you just need to learn to play an Enchanter.

[alexnoshinku]

Are you an idiot or does 203 + 50 = 253? Yea that's no way close to 255, right? Maybe you just need to learn to play an Enchanter.

^^ adding on to them as long as the CHA and INT are in the 200s some where you can easly cap them with buffs...like your buffs give you an extra 50 in CHA and 50 in INT. Even if its in the 190s still easy, I carry CHA gear on my enchanter to switch out with other gear when I charm.

[Tecmos Deception]

not true at all, capping charisma is actually quite difficult with pretty much 100% of the tradeable items and many no drop raid items, until you are a immersed loser getting velious raid loot, and like a lot of it

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anyone who says you can do it with like siren hair hoods is a liar and not actually speaking from experience.

Note that you didn't say that capping Cha was hard while also maintaining balanced other stats. As I've said, JUST capping Cha isn't too hard, but doing it while keeping other stats decent (let alone great) IS hard.

12 primary, 15 secondary, 14 rings, 14 bracers, 10 earrings, 9 neck, 7 face, 5 legs... All stupidly cheap. Then 13 head and 8 boots are only like 1500 more. Well over +100 Cha for like 5kpp. Starting points and that and you'll be capped with your first or second Cha buff, still with a few gear slots not put towards charisma.

Who is inexperienced and/or lying now? That's literally a shit-tier gear set maxing Cha before 50, exactly what you said wasnt possible.

[Samoht]

Who is inexperienced and/or lying now? That's literally a shit-tier gear set maxing Cha before 50, exactly what you said wasnt possible.

The idiot wants it to be 255 without buffs. He seems to have forgotten that Enchanters get a free 50 CHA.

[mickmoranis]

Are you an idiot or does 203 + 50 = 253? Yea that's no way close to 255, right? Maybe you just need to learn to play an Enchanter.

OH YEA EVERY ONES GOING TO GET AN EPIC

come on dude you seriously saying this dudes gear is accessible for the average person who cant decide wehre to put stats on character creation?! come on man use your brain you think is so big.

[mickmoranis]

The idiot wants it to be 255 without buffs. He seems to have forgotten that Enchanters get a free 50 CHA.

no you stupid loser who was cucked for 5 years on blue, i was saying that you wont ever get there without being raid geared which that magelo is you dumbass.

Maybe just maybe after the 6th year you can finally put together a set of gear like that, but look at what it takes kids, being a moran on the forms like samoht kicked and cucked from every decent guild his whole life.

[mickmoranis]

OK i sound mad but when you miss obvious shit and start spouting off words like idiot or wrong then ya deserve it.

[Samoht]

Triple post!

Cringe.

What an idiot.

[mickmoranis]

I may be an idiot but ur talkn to me.