Evergreen State College: Collective Psychosis

[NachtMystium]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cMYfxOFBBM

Classic "snake eating itself". This is hilarious only because it seems that the madness seems to stay within this particular bubble of protesters and seems to be rejected by a public eye.

How on earth could any rational mind defend this and think this is a step in a direction for the better?

I guess this is what happens with a 98.9% acceptance rate, but that can't be true because it's almost as bad at Ivy League levels.

Fun List:
-students take the cuck of a president hostage who cannot leave the room even to urinate, and he complies with everything
-white people in the meeting are asked to fetch things like power cords and are not allowed to sit down or eat any food
-police are asked to stand down after protesters were searching for people car by car(they didnt find their target fortunately he wasn't there)
-president complies to not using any hand gestures while speaking due to "microaggressions"

A scary glimpse into a possible future, luckily we're headed in the right direction at the moment on a national level.

[Pokesan]

your post is just as bad

[NachtMystium]

your post is just as bad

very interesting post you have made yourself there... veeerrry interesting.

[Pokesan]

you might as well have posted a vid of you jacking off

actually please do that

[NachtMystium]

you might as well have posted a vid of you jacking off

actually please do that

I didn't realize noticing the absolute retardation of current events and wanting other's thoughts on it was equal to jacking off, I'd post a video but with a micropenis it's almost pointless to attempt stimulation...almost.

[Lune]

How on earth could any rational mind defend this and think this is a step in a direction for the better?

Over the last decade or two in education, one of the initiation rites to being "educated" is where they teach you all the hypocrisies and injustices of our society. The goal of this is to make you critical of political rhetoric and the status quo, and able to think for yourself. The problem came when post-secondary education became 1) a rite of passage for all young people and 2) it became a massive business, an entire industrial sector.

Instead of the high-performers going to college, now everyone's going to college, including literal retards. This trickles back down into high school where more and more people are taking AP and IB coursework to prepare/compete for college, and they get you started there early (In AP Euro and AP US I was shown slideshows of mounds of holocaust victims and lynchings of Southern blacks in Clockwork Orange (https://youtu.be/Jv1Bmne20l4?t=2m14s) type reform sessions.

Then you get to university and during your general ed (or your entire major if you're liberal arts, which many of the most low-achieving and impressionable are), you take things like anthropology, where concepts like multiculturalism are in vogue. There they preach that one culture is just as valid as any other, and that any time you "judge" another culture, you're doing it through the lens of your own, and your judgment is invalid. Any appreciation you had for your own culture and history they try to dismantle by giving you reasons why European civilization was a "miracle" or fluke, various reasons they didn't really earn it, and that Islamic and Eastern civilizations were superior at different times.

Now there is some truth to all of this but the problem is it's not often accompanied by actual critical thinking and analysis, which was the goal of the entire thing. They don't give you the facts and observations and let you come to the conclusions on your own, guiding you to make sure they are reasonable. They have expectations at the end of their course for which thoughts and opinions you should have demonstrated and you are assessed depending on whether you "learned" them or not. And it had to be this way because it all goes back to them letting too many dumbasses into college, and they couldn't handle it the way it is supposed to be done.

What's worse, these were my own observations from a pretty good university which was relatively conservative and science-focused, and wasn't a terrible offender at these things, and it was just on the cusp of when this stuff started getting bad. I can only imagine what it's like now at these overflow-schools and liberal arts colleges.

TL;DR - Most of those students probably shouldn't even be in college.

[NachtMystium]

Over the last decade or two in education, one of the initiation rites to being "educated" is where they teach you all the hypocrisies and injustices of our society. The goal of this is to make you critical of political rhetoric and the status quo, and able to think for yourself. The problem came when post-secondary education became 1) a rite of passage for all young people and 2) it became a massive business, an entire industrial sector.

Instead of the high-performers going to college, now everyone's going to college, including literal retards. This trickles back down into high school where more and more people are taking AP and IB coursework to prepare/compete for college, and they get you started there early (In AP Euro and AP US I was shown slideshows of mounds of holocaust victims and lynchings of Southern blacks in Clockwork Orange (https://youtu.be/Jv1Bmne20l4?t=2m14s) type reform sessions.

Then you get to university and during your general ed (or your entire major if you're liberal arts, which many of the most low-achieving and impressionable are), you take things like anthropology, where concepts like multiculturalism are in vogue. There they preach that one culture is just as valid as any other, and that any time you "judge" another culture, you're doing it through the lens of your own, and your judgment is invalid. Any appreciation you had for your own culture and history they try to dismantle by giving you reasons why European civilization was a "miracle" or fluke, various reasons they didn't really earn it, and that Islamic and Eastern civilizations were superior at different times.

Now there is some truth to all of this but the problem is it's not often accompanied by actual critical thinking and analysis, which was the goal of the entire thing. They don't give you the facts and observations and let you come to the conclusions on your own, guiding you to make sure they are reasonable. They have expectations at the end of their course for which thoughts and opinions you should have demonstrated and you are assessed depending on whether you "learned" them or not. And it had to be this way because it all goes back to them letting too many dumbasses into college, and they couldn't handle it the way it is supposed to be done.

What's worse, these were my own observations from a pretty good university which was relatively conservative and science-focused, and wasn't a terrible offender at these things, and it was just on the cusp of when this stuff started getting bad. I can only imagine what it's like now at these overflow-schools and liberal arts colleges.

TL;DR - Most of those students probably shouldn't even be in college.


Couldn't agree more about the college as a business, good thing I grew up poor and went to work instead of school after high school. I make way more than any of my surrounding acquaintances who went to college plus I don't have that shitty debt Hahahhahahaha, feels good ridin this white privilege train baby

[Lune]

-t Bernie diehard

let me break this down for you so you understand it once and for all: just because you don't align 100% with a solution doesn't mean you discard it entirely. It can still be better than all other alternatives.

http://i.imgur.com/WDOdyJ2.jpg

[stormlord]

I agree with delegitimizing our culture, I just wish this was happening in all cultures, to reduce war and make us all cooperative. Like Einstein said, he didn't know when the next war would happen, but the one after it would be fought with sticks and stones. If we're not careful, nationalism will flare up in enough places to cause another war, ultimately proving Einstein correct.

I think we need a world government or something like it, ruled by law, not force. We have to destroy our nationalist impulses. That part won't be easy because we instinctively support our group, our people, our country. I think right now they're trying to use psychology to influence the masses, but will it work? We can change our instinctive responses but it's never easy. If we do happen to make the necessary adjustments, it'll still be at great cost. And so no matter what happens down the road, it's going to be hard for us.

[stormlord]

if we can finally defeat the human spirit and eliminate free will all this ugly violence will no longer be necessary. cant wait!
This is real. You acting like it's not. Maybe it's cognitive dissonance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance)?

Look what pulled up from below:
1. Directing Magnetic Energy Into The Brain Can Reduce Belief In God, Prejudice Toward Immigrants (http://www.medicaldaily.com/directing-magnetic-energy-brain-can-reduce-belief-god-prejudice-toward-immigrants-357194)
2. Secrets of the right-wing brain: New study proves it — conservatives see a different, hostile world (http://www.salon.com/2014/07/29/secrets_of_the_right_wing_brain_new_study_proves_i t_conservatives_see_a_different_hostile_world/)
3. 'Cuddle Chemical' Also Fuels Favoritism, Bigotry (https://www.wired.com/2011/01/oxytocin-social-favoritism/)
4. The Science of Irrationality: Why We Humans Behave So Strangely (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-of-irrational/)
5. Can Drinking Make You Conservative? (and Other Questions About the Political Brain) (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/can-drinking-make-you-conservative-and-other-questions-about-the-political-brain-20120326)
6. The Vexing Mental Tug-of-War Called Morality (http://discovermagazine.com/2011/jul-aug/12-vexing-mental-conflict-called-morality/#.UqdMvyffkwk)
7. Brain structure differs in liberals, conservatives: study (http://www.rawstory.com/2011/04/brain-structure-differs-in-liberals-conservatives-study/)
8. The Yuck Factor When Disgust Meets Discovery (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2599783/)

(In a study--not linked here--participants placed near drinking fountains give higher "disgust" responses.)

Science is showing us the path, but our mental hangups threaten to derail it.

[Patriam1066]

I agree with delegitimizing our culture, I just wish this was happening in all cultures, to reduce war and make us all cooperative. Like Einstein said, he didn't know when the next war would happen, but the one after it would be fought with sticks and stones. If we're not careful, nationalism will flare up in enough places to cause another war, ultimately proving Einstein correct.

I think we need a world government or something like it, ruled by law, not force. We have to destroy our nationalist impulses. That part won't be easy because we instinctively support our group, our people, our country. I think right now they're trying to use psychology to influence the masses, but will it work? We can change our instinctive responses but it's never easy. If we do happen to make the necessary adjustments, it'll still be at great cost. And so no matter what happens down the road, it's going to be hard for us.

buy ammo

[Cecily]

Video reminds me a bit of the Stanford prison experiment.

[entruil]

i agree we must destroy all national identity and govern the world using some obfuscation of force and melt our brains with so much psychedelic propaganda and fluoride that we can pretend it's not force. like einstein would have wanted
if we can finally defeat the human spirit and eliminate free will all this ugly violence will no longer be necessary. cant wait!

Gort#1951_depiction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gort_(The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still)#1951_depictio n)

Klaatu describes "him" as one of an interstellar police force, holding irrevocable powers to "preserve the peace" by destroying any aggressor.

[Cecily]

No no. I got it. It's literally this movie. (https://youtu.be/Xhno9sBWI88?t=20s)

[entruil]

https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/19/google-to-ramp-up-ai-efforts-to-id-extremism-on-youtube/
Google subsequently updated the platform’s guidelines to stop ads being served to controversial content, including videos containing “hateful content” and “incendiary and demeaning content” so their makers could no longer monetize the content via Google’s ad network. Although the company still needs to be able to identify such content for this measure to be successful.

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/ron-paul-online-gaming-ban-threatens-all-of-our-liberties
The National Security Agency (NSA) has exploited the “incidental” loophole to turn Section 702 into a routinely-used justification for wiretapping America citizens, including General Michael Kelly and (allegedly) other members of Donald Trump's campaign staff and transition team.

Given the way the federal snoop state uses every inch of (unconstitutional) power granted them to take a mile of liberty, the last thing Congress should do is pass legislation giving the surveillance state a new excuse to spy on us -- especially if the legislation also violates the Tenth Amendment. Yet Congress will do just that if it listens to the special interests pushing the Restoration of Americas’ Wireless Act (RAWA).


-people are going to be praying for Gort soon.

[Grizzler]

Everything happening at Evergreen is pretty scary but glad it got out there. Only way we combat this crap is seeing where its happening.

[Grizzler]

I have a family member who went to this college about 15 years ago...

It sure does explain a lot. This family member of mine has some ridiculous beliefs and character flaws. Also, a big pot head and advocate.

Well I must admit that I am a large advocate for marijauna as well but I would agree that the views presented in this particular instance are scary as fuck. Worried about sending my son to college in 8 years or so, hoping this kinda crap is gone.

[mickmoranis]

i dont really have a reply to that except that im not acting like it isn't real. buy ammo

i wish our generation would be able to need ammo to solve these problems, since inflated sense of self worth didnt have an effect for 30 years, id like to be a part of SOMETHING important, you know?

[maskedmelonpai]

lune make a good point about idiocy. it incurable and teaching a idiot to think don't actually work. it only think what you told it to think. then when you try to teach it to question, it only question things it don't liek. then it get angry and pious cause it think it smart and know what's right. it also make more like itself and it do so faster than reason, which slow and sparse, one roll from returning randomly to the abyss from whence it come.

[nilzark]

I think mass quantities of marijuana is the only viable defense. Instead of fluoride in our water system it should be THC.

[georgie]

Great generic comment about marijuana

[Tecmos Deception]

I think we need a world government or something like it, ruled by law, not force.

Governments can ONLY rule by force.

[mickmoranis]

meh thats arguable

[Rader]

I agree with delegitimizing our culture, I just wish this was happening in all cultures, to reduce war and make us all cooperative. Like Einstein said, he didn't know when the next war would happen, but the one after it would be fought with sticks and stones. If we're not careful, nationalism will flare up in enough places to cause another war, ultimately proving Einstein correct.

I think we need a world government or something like it, ruled by law, not force. We have to destroy our nationalist impulses. That part won't be easy because we instinctively support our group, our people, our country. I think right now they're trying to use psychology to influence the masses, but will it work? We can change our instinctive responses but it's never easy. If we do happen to make the necessary adjustments, it'll still be at great cost. And so no matter what happens down the road, it's going to be hard for us.

What a load of excrement. Government is the root of all evil. Count me out of your Borg Utopia.

[Tecmos Deception]

meh thats arguable

When has a government ever ruled through genuine, explicit consent of the governed? When have taxes been voluntary or non-existent? What state has existed without being destroyed by a war or engaging in war?

Governments are force.

[Pokesan]

austrian farts are the finest money can buy

[Rader]

When has a government ever ruled through genuine, explicit consent of the governed? When have taxes been voluntary or non-existent? What state has existed without being destroyed by a war or engaging in war?

Governments are force.

Progressives will say that government is a good thing if only a really smart and enlightened person rules. Obama proved that is a load of shit.

[Patriam1066]

So did you call obama smart and enlightened

I'm confused

[Rader]

So did you call obama smart and enlightened

I'm confused

You are a progressive, of course you are confused.

[mickmoranis]

When has a government ever ruled through genuine, explicit consent of the governed? When have taxes been voluntary or non-existent? What state has existed without being destroyed by a war or engaging in war?

Governments are force.

You're thinking of LAW

and you're mistaking goverment for law, the goverment facilitates laws, and in our case, allows us to define them.

Taxes pay for roads, and because of Americans inability to manage and understanding critical thinking, they also pay for your goverment.

Which is your fault.

Not the governments.

[Tecmos Deception]

You're thinking of LAW

and you're mistaking goverment for law, the goverment facilitates laws, and in our case, allows us to define them.

Taxes pay for roads, and because of Americans inability to manage and understanding critical thinking, they also pay for your goverment.

Which is your fault.

Not the governments.

What?

Laws are words, concepts, etc. A law doesn't show up at my door and drag me off to prison (or kill me) when I refuse to pay taxes; a man armed by, instructed by, and paid by the government does.

Tolstoy, and not you, had it right: "Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us."

[Lune]

When has a government ever ruled through genuine, explicit consent of the governed? When have taxes been voluntary or non-existent? What state has existed without being destroyed by a war or engaging in war?

Governments are force.

"Governments are force" is a technically correct but functionally useless statement, it's not an argument and it's not a useful observation.

All governments rule through consent of the governed, Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau exactly as much as Kim Jung Un. It is only through the laziness, ignorance, or apathy of the governed that a government appears tyrannical. Basically any time you are following the rules of the social contract, you are submitting to the authority of government. Humanity traded some individual freedom for some benefits of cooperation and law/order, and you are born into this contract whether you like it or not. Yes, it's force, but that force is merely the enforcement of the contract on behalf of all of society. The same force that forces you to pay taxes also stops a syndicate of lowlives from killing you, raping your wife, and eating your children. The rest of society agreed explicitly or implicitly that those are the terms.

You seem to have some animosity toward being "forced" to contribute but I think your animus is toward the terms of the contract rather than the contract itself, in which case it accomplishes exactly nothing to complain about how government is forcing you to do something. Rather, your issue is with the 'idea' that is supported by enough of society (or enough powerful people) to be a mandate for you. If you don't want to pay taxes, vote Republican and get into a higher tax bracket, or vote libertarian.

If you don't want any social contract at all, too bad, basically. Every group of humans numbering more than 100 or so for the last 100,000 years has formed a contract. Anarchy is proto-human.

Tolstoy, and not you, had it right: "Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us."

Government is an association of men who do violence on behalf of the rest of us.

...would be more accurate.

[mickmoranis]

What?

Laws are words, concepts, etc. A law doesn't show up at my door and drag me off to prison (or kill me) when I refuse to pay taxes; a man armed by, instructed by, and paid by the government does.

Tolstoy, and not you, had it right: "Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us."

we cant have a discussions bout it because you are not capable of it man, listen to you. You have your mind made up with the doors closed and all the windows sealed shut.

Im simply pointing out that you dont require force to rule a country, you can do so perfectly fine by simply manipulating the masses.

Even in your second question, you are talking about ESTABLISHING a country, not ruling one.

I mean the way you sound man, it sounds like you think paying taxes is tantamount to being forced to work in a north korean prison camp.

Society drives the % of taxes, in the form of a vote. Some how thats rule by force?? I swear its not the kids these days thats the problems its the kids from just a few decades ago that are.

Youre free to do whatever you want here man. If you dont want to pay taxes, dont, just dont use our roads to make money, or youll pay a fine, that WE the people chose.

gimi a break man, all I'm going to tell you there is more to the pie than the crust.

[mickmoranis]

"Governments are force" is a technically correct but functionally useless statement, it's not an argument and it's not a useful observation.

All governments rule through consent of the governed, Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau exactly as much as Kim Jung Un. It is only through the laziness, ignorance, or apathy of the governed that a government appears tyrannical. Basically any time you are following the rules of the social contract, you are submitting to the authority of government. Humanity traded some individual freedom for some benefits of cooperation and law/order, and you are born into this contract whether you like it or not. Yes, it's force, but that force is merely the enforcement of the contract on behalf of all of society. The same force that forces you to pay taxes also stops a syndicate of lowlives from killing you, raping your wife, and eating your children. The rest of society agreed explicitly or implicitly that those are the terms.

You seem to have some animosity toward being "forced" to contribute but I think your animus is toward the terms of the contract rather than the contract itself, in which case it accomplishes exactly nothing to complain about how government is forcing you to do something. Rather, your issue is with the 'idea' that is supported by enough of society (or enough powerful people) to be a mandate for you. If you don't want to pay taxes, vote Republican and get into a higher tax bracket, or vote libertarian.

If you don't want any social contract at all, too bad, basically. Every group of humans numbering more than 100 or so for the last 100,000 years has formed a contract. Anarchy is proto-human.



Government is an association of men who do violence on behalf of the rest of us.

...would be more accurate.

also this

and also yes its laughable how kids these days think society is "oppressive dictatorship"

Sure our society is full of reatards, but god made us in perfect balance, there are always enough of the other type of retard to balance your retard and my retard from taking over.

[Tecmos Deception]

Buncha little statists round here :(

[mickmoranis]

lol well Im a misanthrope and pretty sure lune is a eugenicist... but a statist, thats a first for both of us.

[Lune]

Buncha little statists round here :(

I'll never understand the alternative. Even the most Jeffersonian of Founding Father rugged-individualist libertarian teapartycrats is a statist in the eyes of an anarchist.

Every time a group of people get together and make a rule, and agree to enforce that rule, they've made a state. It turns out, time and time again, in society after society for tens of thousands of years, from tribes of berry-pickers to worldwide empires, humans prefer to make rules and enforce them.

[mickmoranis]

one thing I bet we all agree on.

fuck this bitch:
http://i.imgur.com/q7edM0c.png

[Tecmos Deception]

I'll never understand the alternative. Even the most Jeffersonian of Founding Father rugged-individualist libertarian teapartycrats is a statist in the eyes of an anarchist.

Every time a group of people get together and make a rule, and agree to enforce that rule, they've made a state. It turns out, time and time again, in society after society for tens of thousands of years, from tribes of berry-pickers to worldwide empires, humans prefer to make rules and enforce them.

I'm not posting in here because I'm trying to deny history. But it's not like humanity's history of life under government has been full of peace and love and prosperity, right? It's only been in the last few centuries (out of so many thousands of years), as government has become somewhat less absolute and personal freedoms have generally been greater, that more than a handful of humans rose above bare subsistence.

You say you'll never understand the alternative to government, and I guess it's your prerogative to either refuse to learn or to believe there's nothing to be learned. But personally, I just can't see any reason why a statement like "all human interaction should be voluntary" can be wrong. Denying anarchy is admitting you want to do violence to others who are doing no harm to you, whether you do it via a state or a gang or directly.

[Lune]

I'm not posting in here because I'm trying to deny history. But it's not like humanity's history of life under government has been full of peace and love and prosperity, right? It's only been in the last few centuries (out of so many thousands of years), as government has become somewhat less absolute and personal freedoms have generally been greater, that more than a handful of humans rose above bare subsistence.

You say you'll never understand the alternative to government, and I guess it's your prerogative to either refuse to learn or to believe there's nothing to be learned. But personally, I just can't see any reason why a statement like "all human interaction should be voluntary" can be wrong. Denying anarchy is admitting you want to do violence to others who are doing no harm to you, whether you do it via a state or a gang or directly.

It's not that I plug my ears at the mention of anarchism and go "lalalalala", it's just that I see it as logically unsound. Anarchism denies mass cooperation which I think is absolutely integral to human prosperity and progress.

The only issue I have with "all human interaction being voluntary" is you shouldn't be able to enjoy the benefits of society (cooperation, safety, rules), without the responsibilities (taxes, civic duty, mutual aid/defense, rules). Which means if you decided you didn't want to sign the contract, you'd have to leave. Unfortunately, the planet is basically full, and all the world's resources are spoken for. We also share an environment.

By denying anarchy I just admit that violence is the way in which the contract is enforced-- if somebody breaks the rules, that causes harm, and violence (force) is society's recourse. In a perfect world the contract is voluntary, you'd be able to leave and go homestead somewhere in the frontier and make your own rules, but I just don't see it.

[AzzarTheGod]

we were pretty much a anarchy but then we had to come together to do battle with the evil nazis before they ethnically cleansed us. after that there were nuclear weapons

hope this clarifies

smilin hard

[mickmoranis]

its perfectly legal to go live in the woods and not pay taxes, but tecmos if you think you deserve to live on streets and drink water payed for by other peoples taxes then you're gonna have a bad time.

What is different between reality and this utopia you describe?

[Tecmos Deception]

its perfectly legal to go live in the woods and not pay taxes, but tecmos if you think you deserve to live on streets and drink water payed for by other peoples taxes then you're gonna have a bad time.

What is different between reality and this utopia you describe?

Lol. It's not like roads and municipal water systems are what most tax money is spent on.

Regardless, I don't want to be a free rider, I just think it's immoral to force your opinions onto others. And that's all government does. I'm perfectly happy to pay for what I want to use. I just don't want to be made to pay for what someone else thinks is a good idea.

And no, it's not legal to go live in the woods.

[Tecmos Deception]

It's not that I plug my ears at the mention of anarchism and go "lalalalala", it's just that I see it as logically unsound. Anarchism denies mass cooperation which I think is absolutely integral to human prosperity and progress.

The only issue I have with "all human interaction being voluntary" is you shouldn't be able to enjoy the benefits of society (cooperation, safety, rules), without the responsibilities (taxes, civic duty, mutual aid/defense, rules). Which means if you decided you didn't want to sign the contract, you'd have to leave. Unfortunately, the planet is basically full, and all the world's resources are spoken for. We also share an environment.

By denying anarchy I just admit that violence is the way in which the contract is enforced-- if somebody breaks the rules, that causes harm, and violence (force) is society's recourse. In a perfect world the contract is voluntary, you'd be able to leave and go homestead somewhere in the frontier and make your own rules, but I just don't see it.

As I see it, all of this just comes back to the social "contract" not being anything like a contract. It's an excuse to force one group's wants onto others. You say I shouldn't get to benefit from society without paying, but how it really works out is every individual is paying for a ton of "benefits" that they don't actually want, subsidizing government inefficiency, propping up cronyism, etc. There's also tons of wiggle room for people to be free riders with VERY little incentive for anyone to do anything about it.

Privatizing everything wouldn't collapse society. People would still be able to get together and decide what they want to contribute towards a public society. But nobody would be threatened with violence by a nearly-omnipotent state to pay for any more than they actually want to... and since everything is private, individuals have incentive to make sure there aren't free riders or inefficiency, etc.

[Pokesan]

yo taxation-is-theft-dude, did the beast get his cut of you RMT gainz?

u goin prison?

[Pokesan]

zzz anyway anarchism is fucking gay dude peace

[mickmoranis]

And no, it's not legal to go live in the woods.

tell that to the FBI that has to fabricate weapon sales to arrest the hero's that do.

[Lune]

As I see it, all of this just comes back to the social "contract" not being anything like a contract. It's an excuse to force one group's wants onto others. You say I shouldn't get to benefit from society without paying, but how it really works out is every individual is paying for a ton of "benefits" that they don't actually want, subsidizing government inefficiency, propping up cronyism, etc. There's also tons of wiggle room for people to be free riders with VERY little incentive for anyone to do anything about it.

It's a valid criticism of the current system if you ignore the benefits of the way we do things, ie, organizations are capable of existing for reasons other than profit motive or short term whims... which has important implications for things like public health and protecting the environment.

Privatizing everything wouldn't collapse society. People would still be able to get together and decide what they want to contribute towards a public society. But nobody would be threatened with violence by a nearly-omnipotent state to pay for any more than they actually want to... and since everything is private, individuals have incentive to make sure there aren't free riders or inefficiency, etc.

What keeps people from adding lead to their gasoline? Are you going to make a law that says anyone who burns gas can't add lead to it to make it more efficient? What are you going to do if they refuse? Are you going to sue them for scrambling your children's brains with lead? Prove they are responsible.

What do you do about the natural concentration of wealth over time, if there are no means for redistribution? In a capitalist system, the more wealth you have, the better your ability to capture a greater share of all current and newly generated wealth (When a capitalist acquires an asset his ability to acquire more assets increases). For example, Paris Hilton inherits $500 million. All Paris Hilton has to do is hire brilliant minds to manage her wealth and investments. Her chance of losing money to market forces is far smaller than her chance of making money off purchasing profitable businesses and properties, or making safe investments. This requires no labor on her behalf, it is purely her money making money.

Progressive taxation is the only force that acts against this and prevents a small number of people from eventually owning virtually all of society. (The lack of which also being a major contributor to why things have been in the shitter since Reagan)

[mickmoranis]

Im having a hard time believing that my mom and dad were threatened with violence, and that is why they were good, law abiding citizezns.

A long time ago we didnt have a goverment and religion just stoned you to death if you screwed up... Sounds like without goverment we're in a much more forced/violent society than with.

Altho the current leaders of america would not like you to know that, which is why they will continue to rule you via MANIPULATION, not the threat of force.

Americans are more and more manipulated every day. The irony is the machine just needed cranking, now the citizens do the manipulation themselves.

Its never the threat of force you need to worry about, its the people manipulating you into thinking there is a force you need to worry about when the things theyre telling you theyre taking from you are, education, healthcare, roads, police, your rights etc.

its hilarious.

[mickmoranis]

Thats fine, again yall missing the point, thats force to enforce LAW not goverment.

You live in a world where law forces goverment in countries like Russia or North korea.

In america you live in a world where manipulated idiots fuck up legislation which frustrates you, but is not forcing you to do anything beyond a normal exchange of goods and services contract youd make with anyone else who was on the level.

Their are of course correlations you can draw between midevil social constructs and modern ones, but you can draw lines and connect dots to pretty much anything.

If you think you're being forced to do anything in america, you're manipulated.

[mickmoranis]

I would enjoy what you describe immensely.

Drafts. Nuclear field combat. Queers and Trannies in the military.

It would be glorious.

SAVE THE CHILDREN OF NORTH KOREA LETS DOOO IT

[Patriam1066]

You are a progressive, of course you are confused.

I'm right of center on every issue except helping the poor

Hope this helps!

[mickmoranis]

I want to help the middle class by forcing them to join the military so they can realize hopes and prayers aint shit.

[Pokesan]

the real problem is breeders make the laws

[mickmoranis]

I think the real problem is life is ruff but everyone was told it was chill

[Pokesan]

don't go getting paranoid on me now

[maskedmelonpai]

https://i.imgur.com/H4Rn0db.gif

this a pretty picture ^^

[entruil]

What do you do about the natural concentration of wealth over time, if there are no means for redistribution? In a capitalist system, the more wealth you have, the better your ability to capture a greater share of all current and newly generated wealth (When a capitalist acquires an asset his ability to acquire more assets increases). For example, Paris Hilton inherits $500 million. All Paris Hilton has to do is hire brilliant minds to manage her wealth and investments. Her chance of losing money to market forces is far smaller than her chance of making money off purchasing profitable businesses and properties, or making safe investments. This requires no labor on her behalf, it is purely her money making money.

Progressive taxation is the only force that acts against this and prevents a small number of people from eventually owning virtually all of society. (The lack of which also being a major contributor to why things have been in the shitter since Reagan)


I don't expect such short-sightedness from you lune... progressive taxation and the redistribution in the form of here take this we will take care of you is exactly what keeps the richer getting richer and the poor get just enough to vote for who gives it to them...

Until we deal with the hidden taxes caused by our now fiat currency and central bank the wealth gap will continue to at least stay the same and this progressive theft and choosing who doesn't get to climb the economic ladder of their own volition and on their own merit also creates a sense of entitlement that does not meld with the tenets of liberty.

While all of this is going on there is massive Social-Engineering in every area imaginable, to what end are we really being lead?

[Lune]

I don't expect such short-sightedness from you lune... progressive taxation and the redistribution in the form of here take this we will take care of you is exactly what keeps the richer getting richer and the poor get just enough to vote for who gives it to them...

Until we deal with the hidden taxes caused by our now fiat currency and central bank the wealth gap will continue to at least stay the same and this progressive theft and choosing who doesn't get to climb the economic ladder of their own volition and on their own merit also creates a sense of entitlement that does not meld with the tenets of liberty.

While all of this is going on there is massive Social-Engineering in every area imaginable, to what end are we really being lead?

Progressive tax doesn't choose who gets to climb the economic ladder and it doesn't discourage achievement. You've really got to get those two Reagan-era lies out of your head. They were designed to make you work against your own best interest and make you shuck and jive for the people who own you.

Nothing about progressive tax means you have to take it and then give it to Shaguamquisha as a lump sum payment. You invest it in schools, national parks, health care, infrastructure, and all the things that make it easier for people to climb the economic ladder.

Trickle down economics will continue to funnel wealth into the hands of capitalists at the expense of everyone who has to sell their labor to survive (that includes you). There is no market force to end this

Republicans have a responsibility to quit swallowing corporate loads and answer to the middle class on this. Frankly, Democrats can't be trusted not to just tax the shit out of everyone and funnel it to inner-city parasites. And that's assuming they win elections which they don't because of retardation.

We need Eisenhower Republicans back.

[AzzarTheGod]

Progressive tax doesn't choose who gets to climb the economic ladder and it doesn't discourage achievement. You've really got to get those two Reagan-era lies out of your head. They were designed to make you work against your own best interest and make you shuck and jive for the people who own you.

Nothing about progressive tax means you have to take it and then give it to Shaguamquisha as a lump sum payment. You invest it in schools, national parks, health care, infrastructure, and all the things that make it easier for people to climb the economic ladder.

Trickle down economics will continue to funnel wealth into the hands of capitalists at the expense of everyone who has to sell their labor to survive (that includes you). There is no market force to end this

Republicans have a responsibility to quit swallowing corporate loads and answer to the middle class on this. Frankly, Democrats can't be trusted not to just tax the shit out of everyone and funnel it to inner-city parasites. And that's assuming they win elections which they don't because of retardation.

We need Eisenhower Republicans back.

He woke but Lune woker capitalism is a ded end. Too bad Marx didn't outline how capitalism would die, only that it absolutely would because its unsustainable and it was an eventuality.

[AzzarTheGod]

it is wat it is u cant have unchecked capitalism. we already got socialism it just needs more tax on the hedge fund club. they die with trillions to the grave.

fuck their robber baron asses ya herd

[mickmoranis]

its to bad all the ppl that know how to run a country are too busy playing eq emus :(

[mickmoranis]

ill take a porn star over that anyday, or an acutal kenedy.

[Xaanka]

my dad taught at evergreen for a bit he said it was the worst place he ever taught at and wasn't really surprised when this happened

[mickmoranis]

kennedys are okay but kushner is better looking than any of them.

truthfully tho i really just want a young george dub to tenderly mkultra me.

id vote for will ferrell pretending to be that for 4 years

[Ahldagor]

my dad taught at evergreen for a bit he said it was the worst place he ever taught at and wasn't really surprised when this happened

Administration coddle too much?

[AzzarTheGod]

abdominal pain and a lil nausea right now. sweating a lil but it smells cleaner then it use too. my 3rd eye is blinking sleepily and i think it will be fully rewokened in a matter of days. its starting to get real.

damn blood u decalifying that pineal gland

u about to get that alistair crowley horn on ur head just dont run back to the poppy plant when you start seeing things you never saw before. crowley died a junky scurrying the streets of italy like a scared rat. never forget 9/11.

[AzzarTheGod]

kennedys are okay but kushner is better looking than any of them.

truthfully tho i really just want a young george dub to tenderly mkultra me.

Missed this woke post on the bushes

They love that stuff

[mickmoranis]

what did bush do that was actually good? or was it just that he was so adorable?

[Pokesan]

what did bush do that was actually good? or was it just that he was so adorable?

part D was a pretty huge healthcare giveaway, olds only tho

[AzzarTheGod]

part D was a pretty huge healthcare giveaway, olds only tho


as if securing national security interests with regard to the petro dollar was just bullshit childs play? :rolleyes:

[AzzarTheGod]

yes, i was referring to the fact that yung dub was kawaii

but he do go hard on the pizzagate circuit i herd from the white house presser scandal of that missing kid. so u get snatched up if u play ur cards right u could become a prefect in government

u about that life or wat

[AzzarTheGod]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon

was the kid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch


r u aware the CIA provided him a new identity to become a big Mr. Somebody without any accomplishments in life.

he was abducted and mkultra'd as a child. i think u might not be woke on this. under his new Bush-given alias it was cool to see him deny his past and disown his family and remain missing under his old identity. cool stuff man shit was so cash.

[AzzarTheGod]

just posted hard evidence of pizzagate and it doesnt support the whole leftist podesta D.C. angle of pedophilia. whoops

not owned or franchised by just 1 specific party, go figure

http://i.imgur.com/7HfiDMc.jpg

[Pokesan]

as if securing national security interests with regard to the petro dollar was just bullshit childs play? :rolleyes:

it was mick who asked. he dont care about that. know you audience! :cool:

[mickmoranis]

it was mick who asked. he dont care about that. know you audience! :cool:

im sure the zog is the ones that organized that anyway

[skarlorn]

I knew a girl from my study abroad semester who ended up going to Evergreen. She started being my first internet stalker, sending me weird ass hand-written letters and offering crazy sex if I came and visited her in Evergreen. I got legit spooked and had to block her across multiple platforms.

Didn't click clank but I wouldn't be surprised by anything outta that scool

[Novoselic]

"your free speech is not more important than the lives of black-trans-femmes and students on this campus, fuck free speech"

free speech goes both ways, but its an inherited human right. censorship is just a pit stop on the road of dictatorship.

i value all lives equally but this is just fucking ridiculous, im glad i never went to college and dealt with this irrational pc bullshit

[mickmoranis]

shoulda posted this link here, look at these sicko's https://www.dailydot.com/irl/dream-machine-castle-face-records/

[Xaanka]

just posted hard evidence of pizzagate and it doesnt support the whole leftist podesta D.C. angle of pedophilia. whoops

not owned or franchised by just 1 specific party, go figure

http://i.imgur.com/7HfiDMc.jpg

anyone actually following pedogate knows it has nothing 2 do with party lines the dems are just shittier with their internet security so they're more obvious (re: podesta "password" obama123 password etc)

Administration coddle too much?

basically every school in WA including UW but not including a couple of the very small usually religious private schools are federal money cash grab schemes designed to pass FES's and old people to receive federal aid. student education is never discussed and evergreen is the worst about free-passing sjw liberal cucks. it's basically case in point why bernie's free college campaign was fucking stupid based on our current broken system and also case in point why college degrees are rapidly becoming worthless (see also getting accepted into harvard for sending in a page of "BLACKLIVESMATTERBLACKLIVESMATTER" as your application)

[mickmoranis]

whats sad is all the poor black families that worked SO HARD to give their children a better life and finally they have the 'first of my family' to go to college, and then they get there and theyre surrounded by thousands of white entitled gender neutrals

[Xaanka]

whats sad is all the poor black families that worked SO HARD to give their children a better life and finally they have the 'first of my family' to go to college, and then they get there and theyre surrounded by thousands of white entitled gender neutrals

that's really not what public school looks like, speaking as someone who's semi recently taught in one who's parents were both until recently 20+ year long term public school employees

it's like a couple american blacks, a couple white kids, a bunch of 65+ seniors getting their 5th degree because its free (colleges love them because they actually finish degrees, white/blacks drop out when they find a job in their industry often) and 50%+ non english speaking non american citizen asians going for free who get treated like gods and have entire "study halls" dedicated to having the american students do all their tests and homework for them because the schools get the most federal money from FES students. the only reason white genderblobs are tolerated is because they choose easy degrees with zero job opportunities so they usually finish their degrees. public schools get fed money every year based off how many students graduate, not attend. also the white genderblob needed a 30% higher test score than the black kid to get in & pays higher tuition to subsidize that black student's ability to attend in the first place.

we're basically giving free school and training our main global competitor, China, while throwing our own under the bus. we could afford to give free school to every american if we did a few simple things: stopped giving free school to foreign students, stopped rewarding public schools for shit performance.

it's the most broken system imagineable and anyone who would have voted bernie because of free college knows absolutely nothing about how college works & why this is such a bad idea given the current implementation and his lack of addressing any of the real issues with the cost of school.

if you're attending you often don't see the FES's and old people, because they don't show up for a single day of class but get passed with A's because they will sue the school if they get a B. pick up a TA gig and see how many students named Walter and Ngyen are on roll who you never once see in class, and check their grades at the end of the quarter.

[Xaanka]

who i have the most sympathy for is the white or asian american kid who is the first generation in their family attending college, who gets treated as if they're privileged, shaken down on tuition, needs higher test scores than anyone else to get in etc. these kids often come from families who offer little to no financial support, they're often trying to balance working to support themselves and to afford living near their school, and they really have it the worst.

the black kid didn't need good test scores to get in and if they're half intelligent they can get the majority of their school paid for in grants and scholarships. really anyone can do that but the school will actually provide resources to make this happen for you if you're black. if you're white or asian you're on your own with 1 paddle going upstream on shit creek.

[Xaanka]

also feel bad for the hard working black student who can't get a real job because nobody takes their degree seriously because the employer assumes they didn't have to work as hard to get it

[mickmoranis]

man all that black privlage what a bunch of luckies

I wish I was born black instead of as a cis gendered fascist.

[maskedmelonpai]

man all that black privlage what a bunch of luckies

I wish I was born black instead of as a cis gendered fascist.

what if you was born a black cisgendered fascist though? or what about if you born a transgender fascist? would you still wish you born black?

[Ahldagor]

Transracial is a thing now mick. Just gotta dye the skin right and whamo! you're a different race.

[maskedmelonpai]

Transracial is a thing now mick. Just gotta dye the skin right and whamo! you're a different race.

it pretty insensitive of you to unilaterally levy identity standards based on skin color. i thought rachel dolezal showed us that.

[Xaanka]

man all that black privlage what a bunch of luckies

I wish I was born black instead of as a cis gendered fascist.

considering they need the lowest test scores of any race to get into school and they find employment through affirmative action hires i would say both of those things are significant displays of privilege over individuals who have to work harder and be more qualified to get into the same schools or get the same jobs. that's not even something you could vaguely debate on an individual level.

without a shadow of a doubt i experience more discrimination in my life as a transgender woman, than somebody would for being black in 2017. i don't receive more lenient college admission requirements, nor do i receive title vii employment protection rights like black people do. i have no sympathy.

sorry for caring more about individual equity than perceived guilt i should feel towards a race my ancestors never enslaved? sorry i don't feel like i should have to work harder for the same because someone else's great great great grandpa who happened to have a similar skin tone to me did bad things?

we're hitting a point where very few black people alive even experienced segregation, let alone their parents. acting like a black kid is any worse off than a white or asian kid that came from a poor family is laughable. if anything that white or asian kid has it worse because they don't receive social academic and legal benefitss to make up for their poor families.

https://twitter.com/ziadtheactivist/status/848215642385895425

[mickmoranis]

this orange must be made entirely of orange peels

[Xaanka]

do you have any real argument why black students applying for college aren't privileged or are you just going to keep posting low iq contrarian shit?

[entruil]

Emotional politics in any form are just that, politics.

I will say that it takes a hell of a person to change societal stereotypes ... I see what every group has to put up with for the "greater good".... I'm not sufficiently explaining but an example would be getting spit on by a group and then still being a stand-up person so as not to increase the ignorant views of the masses... how long it has to go on?

Affirmative Action is racism plain and simple... the people that want it also want forced integration in government housing for all.

Almost like that one game... "Papers Please" or something...

^is probably scattered thoughts and not too clear... there is more but I fumble enough...

Peace.

[mickmoranis]

do you have any real argument why black students applying for college aren't privileged or are you just going to keep posting low iq contrarian shit?

no there is no point in having an opinion because you change yours to be whatever random argument is the oposite of whoever youre talking to.

But glad to see you're projecting your problems onto others.

[Pokesan]

no there is no point in having an opinion because you change yours to be whatever random argument is the oposite of whoever youre talking to.

But glad to see you're projecting your problems onto others.

lol

[Xaanka]

no there is no point in having an opinion because you change yours to be whatever random argument is the oposite of whoever youre talking to.

But glad to see you're projecting your problems onto others.

when have i not been consistently against affirmative action and college applications asking your race?

[Wowbagger]

Trickle down economics will continue to funnel wealth into the hands of capitalists at the expense of everyone who has to sell their labor to survive (that includes you). There is no market force to end this

I don't believe that wealth creation is necessarily tied to exploitation of labor (unfair wage). Marx thought so, but honestly, it's his angle on the Hegelian Dialectic that's infected college campuses (and spawned countless new liberal arts disciplines entirely based on it) and created the very atmosphere we're all watching choke the life out of Evergreen State College, from the OP.

That said - even in the "capitalist exploits labor for profit" scenario... two examples of market forces addressing this come to mind:

1) Worker improves the value of their labor - through experience (free) or education (cheap). Worker negotiates higher wages - possibly from a competing employer. Maybe even eventually collecting enough capital to take the risk of becoming an owner... possibly even offering a fair wage!

2) A competing capitalist offers a fair wage for the same job.

Fixt.

[entruil]

I don't believe that wealth creation is necessarily tied to exploitation of labor (unfair wage). Marx thought so, but honestly, it's his angle on the Hegelian Dialectic that's infected college campuses (and spawned countless new liberal arts disciplines entirely based on it) and created the very atmosphere we're all watching choke the life out of Evergreen State College, from the OP.

That said - even in the "capitalist exploits labor for profit" scenario... two examples of market forces addressing this come to mind:

1) Worker improves the value of their labor - through experience (free) or education (cheap). Worker negotiates higher wages - possibly from a competing employer. Maybe even eventually collecting enough capital to take the risk of becoming an owner... possibly even offering a fair wage!

2) A competing capitalist offers a fair wage for the same job.

Fixt.

Post again... too many medallions floating around...

*When was wealth last created? (if you are coming from USA then you know not for a while, they just print it, and wealth only stays the same or is Delimited)...

[AzzarTheGod]

no there is no point in having an opinion because you change yours to be whatever random argument is the oposite of whoever youre talking to.

But glad to see you're projecting your problems onto others.


Somewhat true

I see Xaanka mugging but I'm swanging big thangs in real life. In real life I'm life goals.

In real life they like me? In real life I'm like no

[entruil]

Post again... too many medallions floating around...

*When was wealth last created? (if you are coming from USA then you know not for a while, they just print it, and wealth only stays the same or is Delimited)...

I would like to ask as well, what country on earth harbors capitalism, only one I would say seized 20k out of each personal bank account(i would still be wrong!).

Somewhat true

I see Xaanka mugging but I'm swanging big thangs in real life. In real life I'm life goals.

In real life they like me? In real life I'm like no


I don't see an awakening as wishy-washy bullshit... few people saw some shit, I will be the negative for some positive self-gains... I also missed some-a-lot from way back, foolish to think it went way back as well...

that last part a question to each their own homie... Get good. Right?

[Wowbagger]

Post again... too many medallions floating around...

*When was wealth last created? (if you are coming from USA then you know not for a while, they just print it, and wealth only stays the same or is Delimited)...

Wealth is being created constantly... by trade.

The value of currency, however... fiat currency, in particular, that's a whole other ballgame.

As long as people continue to have different skillsets, talents, and resources... trade will be the primary driver of wealth creation. The cobbler has great shoes, but eats poorly, sometimes even affecting his ability to fix/make shoes. The farmer eats very well, but his shoes fall apart, his feet blister up, affecting his ability to farm. The two neighbors trade their skills and both eat well, perhaps better than before - and both have healthy feet - perhaps better than before... that's "wealth" without currency, without the extraction of any more natural resource than before the trade (more efficient use of the same materials), or exploitation of labor. Silly analogy, perhaps, but simply illustrating the concept.

[Uberom]

I think we need a world government or something like it, ruled by law, not force. We have to destroy our nationalist impulses.

Sounds like the Illuminati speech given by President Bush. These ideas are not your own. They were implanted in you by the media. New World Order got you thinking exactly like they want you to.

Just look at the facts. Time and time again, we are told to "be afraid". Fear mongering so they can take us to war. 9/11 happens, we prove its a bunch of Saudi nationals (and was probably inside job with CIA / FBI), yet we go to war with Iraq for "WMDs and terrorist training camps". Right. Then years later we find out Bin Laden was actually on CIA payroll at some point in life and we trained his whole fucking crew to fight the Russians. Same thing with ISIS. We were told to "be afraid"! Turns out, USA was providing weapons and air support to "syrian rebels". It is ISIS. We are literally propping up the same terrorist organizations we claim to be fighting. President Putin of Russia has commented on this multiple times. Basically accusing the west of de facto creating ISIS. It wouldn't be a crazy thing to suggest, ya know? We did export terrorism to latin/south america a lot back in the 80's. Actually a lot of places. Google Noam Chomsky and educate yourself on the hypocrisy of US Foreign Policy. And check some recent examples as well. The new President of the Phillippines, Duterte, who the media love to demonize, is having tons of issues with terrorist cells in his country, after he started to buck the US Foreign Policy that has held his country to heel for so long. You disobey us? Oh look, a terrorist! Imagine that! What a coincidence! Oh you need weapons? Nope! Can't help you anymore! Oh Putin is gonna give you weapons!?!? Hey World! Look at Putin trying to take over the world!!!!! Wake. The. Fuck. Up.

Now, given what I just said, why the fuck would you want to give these people *MORE* power than they already have? One world govt? What a fucking joke. Look at all the terrible atrocities committed by govt's over time. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc etc. Are they decentralized democracies? Fuck no. They are centralized, all powerful states that do whatever they want. And they did. And you saw the results. We need to start pushing for decentralized power in the USA. State's rights. Federal power is too corrupt. What's the saying? "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - John Dalberg-Acton

P.S. - Here's something I always thought was very odd. Remember 9/11? Were you in school? I was. Did you notice something odd, looking back on it? You watched it, right? The teacher wheeled a fucking TV into the classroom, and you watched a terrorist attack live on television. Why? When else did a school show us breaking news like a plane crashing or a building burning? Why would a school even show that shit to kids? Notice something else? EVERY CLASSROOM SHOWED IT. Like the school board sent out a message commanding it. It wasn't like some teachers did, other teachers decided not to. Every person in my school watched it. I just find that reaaaaalllllyyyyyy weird.

[AzzarTheGod]

Sounds like the Illuminati speech given by President Bush. These ideas are not your own. They were implanted in you by the media. New World Order got you thinking exactly like they want you to.

Just look at the facts. Time and time again, we are told to "be afraid". Fear mongering so they can take us to war. 9/11 happens, we prove its a bunch of Saudi nationals (and was probably inside job with CIA / FBI), yet we go to war with Iraq for "WMDs and terrorist training camps". Right. Then years later we find out Bin Laden was actually on CIA payroll at some point in life and we trained his whole fucking crew to fight the Russians. Same thing with ISIS. We were told to "be afraid"! Turns out, USA was providing weapons and air support to "syrian rebels". It is ISIS. We are literally propping up the same terrorist organizations we claim to be fighting. President Putin of Russia has commented on this multiple times. Basically accusing the west of de facto creating ISIS. It wouldn't be a crazy thing to suggest, ya know? We did export terrorism to latin/south america a lot back in the 80's. Actually a lot of places. Google Noam Chomsky and educate yourself on the hypocrisy of US Foreign Policy. And check some recent examples as well. The new President of the Phillippines, Duterte, who the media love to demonize, is having tons of issues with terrorist cells in his country, after he started to buck the US Foreign Policy that has held his country to heel for so long. You disobey us? Oh look, a terrorist! Imagine that! What a coincidence! Oh you need weapons? Nope! Can't help you anymore! Oh Putin is gonna give you weapons!?!? Hey World! Look at Putin trying to take over the world!!!!! Wake. The. Fuck. Up.

Now, given what I just said, why the fuck would you want to give these people *MORE* power than they already have? One world govt? What a fucking joke. Look at all the terrible atrocities committed by govt's over time. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc etc. Are they decentralized democracies? Fuck no. They are centralized, all powerful states that do whatever they want. And they did. And you saw the results. We need to start pushing for decentralized power in the USA. State's rights. Federal power is too corrupt. What's the saying? "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - John Dalberg-Acton

P.S. - Here's something I always thought was very odd. Remember 9/11? Were you in school? I was. Did you notice something odd, looking back on it? You watched it, right? The teacher wheeled a fucking TV into the classroom, and you watched a terrorist attack live on television. Why? When else did a school show us breaking news like a plane crashing or a building burning? Why would a school even show that shit to kids? Notice something else? EVERY CLASSROOM SHOWED IT. Like the school board sent out a message commanding it. It wasn't like some teachers did, other teachers decided not to. Every person in my school watched it. I just find that reaaaaalllllyyyyyy weird.


woke post. read it u fatheads

[skarlorn]

http://i.imgur.com/nFyXdfG.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

wats ur issue w/ russia

[Ahldagor]

Sounds like the Illuminati speech given by President Bush. These ideas are not your own. They were implanted in you by the media. New World Order got you thinking exactly like they want you to.

Just look at the facts. Time and time again, we are told to "be afraid". Fear mongering so they can take us to war. 9/11 happens, we prove its a bunch of Saudi nationals (and was probably inside job with CIA / FBI), yet we go to war with Iraq for "WMDs and terrorist training camps". Right. Then years later we find out Bin Laden was actually on CIA payroll at some point in life and we trained his whole fucking crew to fight the Russians. Same thing with ISIS. We were told to "be afraid"! Turns out, USA was providing weapons and air support to "syrian rebels". It is ISIS. We are literally propping up the same terrorist organizations we claim to be fighting. President Putin of Russia has commented on this multiple times. Basically accusing the west of de facto creating ISIS. It wouldn't be a crazy thing to suggest, ya know? We did export terrorism to latin/south america a lot back in the 80's. Actually a lot of places. Google Noam Chomsky and educate yourself on the hypocrisy of US Foreign Policy. And check some recent examples as well. The new President of the Phillippines, Duterte, who the media love to demonize, is having tons of issues with terrorist cells in his country, after he started to buck the US Foreign Policy that has held his country to heel for so long. You disobey us? Oh look, a terrorist! Imagine that! What a coincidence! Oh you need weapons? Nope! Can't help you anymore! Oh Putin is gonna give you weapons!?!? Hey World! Look at Putin trying to take over the world!!!!! Wake. The. Fuck. Up.

Now, given what I just said, why the fuck would you want to give these people *MORE* power than they already have? One world govt? What a fucking joke. Look at all the terrible atrocities committed by govt's over time. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc etc. Are they decentralized democracies? Fuck no. They are centralized, all powerful states that do whatever they want. And they did. And you saw the results. We need to start pushing for decentralized power in the USA. State's rights. Federal power is too corrupt. What's the saying? "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - John Dalberg-Acton

P.S. - Here's something I always thought was very odd. Remember 9/11? Were you in school? I was. Did you notice something odd, looking back on it? You watched it, right? The teacher wheeled a fucking TV into the classroom, and you watched a terrorist attack live on television. Why? When else did a school show us breaking news like a plane crashing or a building burning? Why would a school even show that shit to kids? Notice something else? EVERY CLASSROOM SHOWED IT. Like the school board sent out a message commanding it. It wasn't like some teachers did, other teachers decided not to. Every person in my school watched it. I just find that reaaaaalllllyyyyyy weird.

We weren't forced to watch anything in school, freshman in high school then. First period, English, the teacher, had a great body, saw it on her computer as she was loading up the attendance program for the next period's attendance. Evemtually the prinicpal came on over the loud speakers.

[Uberom]

We weren't forced to watch anything in school, freshman in high school then. First period, English, the teacher, had a great body, saw it on her computer as she was loading up the attendance program for the next period's attendance. Evemtually the prinicpal came on over the loud speakers.

Your school failed in the global conspiracy mission. Ya'll probably had very low funding.

[Muggens]

Sounds like the Illuminati speech given by President Bush. These ideas are not your own. They were implanted in you by the media. New World Order got you thinking exactly like they want you to.

Just look at the facts. Time and time again, we are told to "be afraid". Fear mongering so they can take us to war. 9/11 happens, we prove its a bunch of Saudi nationals (and was probably inside job with CIA / FBI), yet we go to war with Iraq for "WMDs and terrorist training camps". Right. Then years later we find out Bin Laden was actually on CIA payroll at some point in life and we trained his whole fucking crew to fight the Russians. Same thing with ISIS. We were told to "be afraid"! Turns out, USA was providing weapons and air support to "syrian rebels". It is ISIS. We are literally propping up the same terrorist organizations we claim to be fighting. President Putin of Russia has commented on this multiple times. Basically accusing the west of de facto creating ISIS. It wouldn't be a crazy thing to suggest, ya know? We did export terrorism to latin/south america a lot back in the 80's. Actually a lot of places. Google Noam Chomsky and educate yourself on the hypocrisy of US Foreign Policy. And check some recent examples as well. The new President of the Phillippines, Duterte, who the media love to demonize, is having tons of issues with terrorist cells in his country, after he started to buck the US Foreign Policy that has held his country to heel for so long. You disobey us? Oh look, a terrorist! Imagine that! What a coincidence! Oh you need weapons? Nope! Can't help you anymore! Oh Putin is gonna give you weapons!?!? Hey World! Look at Putin trying to take over the world!!!!! Wake. The. Fuck. Up.

Now, given what I just said, why the fuck would you want to give these people *MORE* power than they already have? One world govt? What a fucking joke. Look at all the terrible atrocities committed by govt's over time. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc etc. Are they decentralized democracies? Fuck no. They are centralized, all powerful states that do whatever they want. And they did. And you saw the results. We need to start pushing for decentralized power in the USA. State's rights. Federal power is too corrupt. What's the saying? "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - John Dalberg-Acton

P.S. - Here's something I always thought was very odd. Remember 9/11? Were you in school? I was. Did you notice something odd, looking back on it? You watched it, right? The teacher wheeled a fucking TV into the classroom, and you watched a terrorist attack live on television. Why? When else did a school show us breaking news like a plane crashing or a building burning? Why would a school even show that shit to kids? Notice something else? EVERY CLASSROOM SHOWED IT. Like the school board sent out a message commanding it. It wasn't like some teachers did, other teachers decided not to. Every person in my school watched it. I just find that reaaaaalllllyyyyyy weird.

Good post, but there were no planes, just explosives

[Ahldagor]

Your school failed in the global conspiracy mission. Ya'll probably had very low funding.

Nah, we were consistently one of the top 10 schools in the state. The football coaches were smelling blood, but the student body wanted early release.

[Lune]

1) Worker improves the value of their labor - through experience (free) or education (cheap). Worker negotiates higher wages - possibly from a competing employer. Maybe even eventually collecting enough capital to take the risk of becoming an owner... possibly even offering a fair wage!

2) A competing capitalist offers a fair wage for the same job.

Fixt.

Those don't address the problem. The problem isn't that people who rely on the value of their labor aren't getting enough value. The problem is with the people who don't rely on selling labor. No matter how highly compensated a worker is, his creation of personal wealth scales linearly with the sale of his labor in a manner that does not create a positive feedback loop.

A union plumber who makes $90,000 a year for his labor will make $90,000 the next year with the same labor and the same market, and maybe $100,000 a year after that if he gets a higher wage or successfully invests.

If Paris Hilton has $100 million being managed by investment bankers, in a few years it will grow to $120 million. In the next few years with a higher principle it will grow even more. Paris Hilton's wealth creation is only dependent on aggregate wealth because the wealth itself is the vehicle for income. As her wealth increases, her capacity to generate even more wealth also increases. There is no natural force in the free market that counteracts the tendency of the Paris Hiltons of the worlds' investment accounts to grow over time at a rate totally unparalleled by those who sell their labor.

Even something like an economic crash, bubble burst, poor management, fraud, etc, doesn't keep pace with the diversification of investments.

Basically, without things like progressive taxation, capitalists come to be 'owners' of ever-larger segments of society.

[AzzarTheGod]

We weren't forced to watch anything in school, freshman in high school then. First period, English, the teacher, had a great body, saw it on her computer as she was loading up the attendance program for the next period's attendance. Evemtually the prinicpal came on over the loud speakers.

Wow strong nit-picking.

You turning into Lune quoting a woke ass post n going in like that.

[mickmoranis]

if progressives are so worried about hard working people, and not the 'takers' then maybe they should just relax because even if it turns out that min wage is unlivable, if you're talking about a hard worker, they're gonna be fine.

The takers, not so much.

So win win

until the takers take one of your families life during a botched robbery but thats another story. (spoiler: you should have taught them how to use a gun)

[Pokesan]

if progressives are so worried about hard working people, and not the 'takers' then maybe they should just relax because even if it turns out that min wage is unlivable, if you're talking about a hard worker, they're gonna be fine.

The takers, not so much.

So win win

until the takers take one of your families life during a botched robbery but thats another story. (spoiler: you should have taught them how to use a gun)

What if we structured society in a way where the lower classes aren't pushed into a life of crime to survive?

[AzzarTheGod]

What if we structured society in a way where the lower classes aren't pushed into a life of crime to survive?

I'll ride for pokesan to the death on this.

Even middle class youths are choosing a life of crime more and more. It's becoming a Brazilian environment with the wealthy, their well-to-do friends second, and everybody else.

The everybody else is steady expanding at the same rate as the wealthy's waistlines.

[Ahldagor]

Wow strong nit-picking.

You turning into Lune quoting a woke ass post n going in like that.

Wut?

[Xaanka]

liberals on minimum wage: i have literally never heard of currency devaluation or buying power dollars are magical numbers with an absolute and static value $15 an hour!!!!!!!!!

lol that $15 min wage is currently failing and crippling the city i live in. nobody's hiring, small businesses being pushed out for megacorps everywhere. cost of living rapidly inflating to the point where we're ~3 years from passing up NYC for that #1 slot.

[brightlights]

liberals on minimum wage: i have literally never heard of currency devaluation or buying power dollars are magical numbers with an absolute and static value $15 an hour!!!!!!!!!

lol that $15 min wage is currently failing and crippling the city i live in. nobody's hiring, small businesses being pushed out for megacorps everywhere. cost of living rapidly inflating to the point where we're ~3 years from passing up NYC for that #1 slot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/

I am genuenly curious to see how this plays out, I would prefer if WA just sucked it up and kept it going for a good 3-5 years at least, to evaluate the long term effects and not just the imidiate reactionary ones.

I wouldn't be surprised if it worked out well for the city and the workers, or if it went bad for em... at least its actually trying something instead of theorycrafting it for 60 years and doing nothing.

[mickmoranis]

This is great, more psycosis.

Game Of Thrones’ Lena Headey Says She Lost Roles By Not Flirting With Directors (Reddit front page today: https://www.scribblrs.com/game-thrones-lena-headey-speaks-hollywood-sexism/)

When reading the article I came accross this quote from the actress, "There’s a real pressure on women to be beautiful and skinny. When I was in my twenties and doing a lot of audition tapes in the States, a casting director told me: ‘The men take these tapes home and watch them and say, ‘Who would you f—?’ I’ve never played the game of going in [to auditions] and flirting; I’ve never done it and I’m very happy I didn’t."

So... what we have here, is a liberal, who has an incredibly strong carrier, huge successes and a great bright future ahead of her.

And she "never did any of that and am very happy she didnt"

So, she actually proves, that misogyny doesnt define a successful carrier in Hollywood, infact she proves that you DONT have to put up with that shit and you CAN be successful in Hollywood.

However all of reddit, the article and any lefty that sees this link will only see confirmation bias that, because shes a woman she was assaulted by unsolicited flirtations that cost her, her carrier.

Which is totally ass backwards to what REALLY happened.

Liberals, (like meth) Not even once.

[Cecily]

This is great, more psycosis.

Game Of Thrones’ Lena Headey Says She Lost Roles By Not Flirting With Directors (Reddit front page today: https://www.scribblrs.com/game-thrones-lena-headey-speaks-hollywood-sexism/)

When reading the article I came accross this quote from the actress, "There’s a real pressure on women to be beautiful and skinny. When I was in my twenties and doing a lot of audition tapes in the States, a casting director told me: ‘The men take these tapes home and watch them and say, ‘Who would you f—?’ I’ve never played the game of going in [to auditions] and flirting; I’ve never done it and I’m very happy I didn’t."

So... what we have here, is a liberal, who has an incredibly strong carrier, huge successes and a great bright future ahead of her.

And she "never did any of that and am very happy she didnt"

So, she actually proves, that misogyny doesnt define a successful carrier in Hollywood, infact she proves that you DONT have to put up with that shit and you CAN be successful in Hollywood.

However all of reddit, the article and any lefty that sees this link will only see confirmation bias that, because shes a woman she was assaulted by unsolicited flirtations that cost her, her carrier.

Which is totally ass backwards to what REALLY happened.

Liberals, (like meth) Not even once.

con·fir·ma·tion bi·as
noun
the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories

I feel like that's what you're doing with this post. That she has lost roles by not playing that game supports the opposing view. I would even go on to say that it suggests that she's an outlier, with pressure to be flirtatious to get a role being the norm. You don't think it be like it is but it do.

[Pokesan]

con·fir·ma·tion bi·as
noun
the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories

I feel like that's what you're doing with this post. That she has lost roles by not playing that game supports the opposing view. I would even go on to say that it suggests that she's an outlier, with pressure to be flirtatious to get a role being the norm. You don't think it be like it is but it do.

i think the incels point is that quid-pro-role doesn't happen in the beauty industry

it's a unfactual and untrue point, but at least he has one instead of mindlessly trolling

snowflake

[AzzarTheGod]

If Paris Hilton has $100 million being managed by investment bankers, in a few years it will grow to $120 million. In the next few years with a higher principle it will grow even more. Paris Hilton's wealth creation is only dependent on aggregate wealth because the wealth itself is the vehicle for income. As her wealth increases, her capacity to generate even more wealth also increases. There is no natural force in the free market that counteracts the tendency of the Paris Hiltons of the worlds' investment accounts to grow over time at a rate totally unparalleled by those who sell their labor.


This is where we want the taxes big boys.

On passive income-- first of all (bring it in line with Britain), and then second, capital gains made during stock market speculation.

I would not increase capital gains tax on anything that was considered a legitimate investment attempt, how would I quantify what is a legitimate investment stock and what is a speculative stock, and what implications or damage that kind of regulation and taxation could cause to the marketplace, I have no idea. I just know speculation deserves higher taxes. I WOULD NOT USE TIME AS A QUALIFIER. EX. current capital gains system is based on time elapsed. I would change that to where time elapsed is irrelevant to whether you qualify for capital gains burden.

Lastly, tax penalties for not having large amounts of personal income invested in the market. I.E. the Paris Hilton's sitting on large swathes of capital with no intention to do domestic business, combined with a very high passive income. Tax it hard, same as Britain. Make them flee to a tax haven and have to renounce citizenship, same as Britain. You want your passive income and seek a passive income lifestyle, you can fucking leave and do it elsewhere.

A passive income lifestyle does not benefit the market. Equally a problem are hedge funds, which end up being black holes of capital-- sucking, killing off, and consolidating labor even when they are functioning as intended at their best. At their worst, the capital just simply ceases to exist, it disappears overnight having been eaten up by other speculators.

[skarlorn]

Passive income lifestyle doesn't support the economy?

Think about how many more RP stories I will write when I am secure with passive income.

TELL ME THE WORLD WOULDN'T BE A BETTER PLACE DAWG

[Xaanka]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/

I am genuenly curious to see how this plays out, I would prefer if WA just sucked it up and kept it going for a good 3-5 years at least, to evaluate the long term effects and not just the imidiate reactionary ones.

I wouldn't be surprised if it worked out well for the city and the workers, or if it went bad for em... at least its actually trying something instead of theorycrafting it for 60 years and doing nothing.

we did it in another couple major cities like 5 years ago and it went terribly & played a big role in boeing starting to leave the state

[AzzarTheGod]

Passive income lifestyle doesn't support the economy?

Think about how many more RP stories I will write when I am secure with passive income.

TELL ME THE WORLD WOULDN'T BE A BETTER PLACE DAWG


If u have passive income then u have passive savings dawg u dig?

Ur still gonna b one rich fuck AND still receiving passive income, just less of it.

Common sense tax reform

[mickmoranis]

we did it in another couple major cities like 5 years ago and it went terribly & played a big role in boeing starting to leave the state

I mean, really its worth mentioning the aeronautical industry is based out of very obscure places, where cost of living is almost nothing. Why would they keep a building there if they became to costly... but that said, what were they manufacturing there? Not sure how many min wage jobs boeing has, or what cities you mean.

[mickmoranis]

con·fir·ma·tion bi·as
noun
the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories

I feel like that's what you're doing with this post. That she has lost roles by not playing that game supports the opposing view. I would even go on to say that it suggests that she's an outlier, with pressure to be flirtatious to get a role being the norm. You don't think it be like it is but it do.

no no what I am saying is that she has a very successful carrier.

I am saying the things shes talking about, the struggles of a female actress, are not unique to any one sex, race or whatever.

In fact it spans across all jobs all industries all social groups all types of people.

The fact that she made it, but then says its unfair, proves that she is full of shit.

Life is rough, but people make it through it.

Only people who are searching for confirmation bias of unfair treatment towards woman in the work place will agree with her.

Also poke said I had a point and I'll never forget that.

[mickmoranis]

http://i.imgur.com/oaJ1XJ3.png

[maskedmelonpai]

Boeing been threatening to leave long before the minimum wage bump in Seattle. they have poopy workers. there a culture of ME at they Washington plants not unlike the culture of ME that rotting America. it why we gotta bunch of fat lazy turds who spend all they money impulsively and got no savings and get diabeeeetus and then spend 30 years liek that on the government expectin to be cared for by a buncha 30yo kids who can't deal with the injustice of WORK. it poopy people with a poopy culture of rabid individualism that make Boeing leave and eroding US. individualism is a scourge in average minds.

wow that sound angry. i rly not angry though ^^

[mickmoranis]

what culture of ME ru sure we're talking about the same country? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlDt0PX4rVg) :D

"owns" :rolleyes:

[skarlorn]

If u have passive income then u have passive savings dawg u dig?

Ur still gonna b one rich fuck AND still receiving passive income, just less of it.

Common sense tax reform

honestly this sounds fine to me. I know what I need to be comfortable and happy, and a lot of it has to do with a quiet place to live without over-urbanization, and most of it has to do with being able to buy GOOD food and GOOD quality clothing without stressing it.

this is coming from a boy who grew up in affluence, bankruptcy, and has lived life as a broke novelist, yuppie marketing writer, and now risk-laden entrepreneur.

I sincerely hope that when I make some real capital I don't get butthurt about taxation.