How Good is Manna Robe for the Different Classes?

[commongood]

I know different items play a factor here (vp staff for necro, epic for wiz for instance) but which class benefits the most from having a manna robe?

Would it make any sense for an enc or mage to run around with one?

[Troxx]

Limited use given the cast time but you could manage a ghetto canni-dance of sorts. Chain casting would not be wise as you'd miss out on a med tick that's more or less as much mana as the robe would give at the cost of 60hp.

Situationally, it could be useful if you really need more mana in for critical short term purposes, but for general use seems like a wash. Assuming you don't have a pocket healer or a big external regen buff you're looking at 10 ticks sitting to regen back one click of the robe.

Necromancers who can self heal are still looking at a hp:mana ratio of 3:1 ... our best lifetap dot ratios are less than 3:1 so it's a wash unless you have an item click (vp staff or wiz epic for wizards).

Of all the classes that can wear it, enchanter is probably the class that benefits the most.

[Freakish]

When you're the only enchanter at raid you can ask for heals to get buffs done. In general group use I found it tedious to use.

[Caiu]

It's basically an extra c2 while chain casting at the expense of 120 hp a tick. Not very fun for any class.

[nevilshute]

I suppose you shouldn't chain it, but rather always get the one tick sitting you can each time as both are = 20 mana at lvl 60. so world ticks while you sit, gain 20, stand click mana robe, lose 60hp, gain 20 mana sit down, wait for world to tick, repeat.

At that rate you are gaining an extra 20 mana per tick (C2 is 11) but at a pretty whopping 60 hp life loss per tick.

For a wizard with epic rune it seems like a no brainer that this would be useful if not exceedingly so. For a necro it seems good too especially with VP-stick (and Elder Beads to a lesser extent).

For a mage and a chanter I struggle a bit to see why it would be very useful. For a chanter if you are in a group setting and doing crowd control and start to run out of mana in a tight situation then sure, it's a quickfix way to gain mana, but it seems kind of narrow. I could just not be valuing the item correctly though.

[Nibblewitz]

Mages use them well with their phantom armor lines.

[nevilshute]

Mages use them well with their phantom armor lines.

3 HP regen per tick makes Manna Robe good? Or am I missing something?

[Tecmos Deception]

It's niche use overall, but it's decent for any caster really. Any time you can rune or lifetap for free, or if you've got regen or aren't taking damage, or if you've got FM heals, etc., you can chain it for double normal med rate or be more efficient with the extra effort of dancing.

When I had one with a chanter it was best for after being rezzed cause there was always someone who could click some heal on you or spare mana for a real heal while you spam the thing to get mana back asap. Group with cleric and regen, I wouldn't use runes cause of cleric buffs and heals, but I did have the regen to heal me so I'd use it then too. Also fun solo to eat the house on a bedlam that is wearing off.

[Nibblewitz]

3 HP regen per tick makes Manna Robe good? Or am I missing something?

Most of the mage's throughput is achieved by their pet, which means a magician can tap into their health with far less risk. There are also items and buffs in game that offer additional hp regen.

[-Catherin-]

Once you have group buffs or your own items/clickies to somewhat offset the HP you are losing it is actually quite useful. but still tedious yes.

Very nice on the enchanter but chanters also have no innate way to regen hp quickly. Troll illusion is only 1hp a tick.

at the very high end you can get items to offset it:

Dain Ring (+10 regen click) Does not stack with casted regrowth
Zland heart (+5 regen worn)
Belt of Dwarf Slaying (+2 regen)
Mask from PoG (+5 regen click) tree illusion outdoor only.
Chestplate of Fiery Might (+5 regen click) does not stack with ring. can be clicked from inventory

So you are looking at a max of 22hp a tick from worn items without outside help maximum. and this is all end game really.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_of_Dain_Frostreaver_IV
https://wiki.project1999.com/Zlandicar%27s_Heart
https://wiki.project1999.com/Belt_of_Dwarf_Slaying
https://wiki.project1999.com/Maple_Leaf_Mask
https://wiki.project1999.com/Chestplate_of_Fiery_Might

it really shines if you are the buffer and/or during rezzes

[-Catherin-]

Once you have group buffs or your own items/clickies to somewhat offset the HP you are losing it is actually quite useful. but still tedious yes.

Very nice on the enchanter but chanters also have no innate way to regen hp quickly. Troll illusion is only 1hp a tick.

at the very high end you can get items to offset it:

Dain Ring (+10 regen click) Does not stack with casted regrowth
Zland heart (+5 regen worn)
Belt of Dwarf Slaying (+2 regen)
Mask from PoG (+5 regen click) tree illusion outdoor only.
Chestplate of Fiery Might (+5 regen click) does not stack with ring. can be clicked from inventory

So you are looking at a max of 22hp a tick from worn items without outside help maximum. and this is all end game really.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_of_Dain_Frostreaver_IV
https://wiki.project1999.com/Zlandicar%27s_Heart
https://wiki.project1999.com/Belt_of_Dwarf_Slaying
https://wiki.project1999.com/Maple_Leaf_Mask
https://wiki.project1999.com/Chestplate_of_Fiery_Might

it really shines if you are the buffer and/or during rezzes

[mickmoranis]

I had one on an enchanter.

Once in fear during a massivly bad pull i was like, holy shit im using the mana robe!

Maybe once in Sky I was chain rapturing something and was like it's coming in handy now.

But other than that, like for personal use, it was useless. iirc you couldn't even get back what you cast in runes with it, so that didnt work either.

Any damage you take as an enchnater is basically game over so unless you have a way to really heal its meh on an enchanter. Would not recommend.

[Vallanor]

If you're willing to do the Manna Robe dance on a wizard with his epic you can get +13 mana per tick over time, which is higher than C2. It's very tedious, but once you get figure out the timing it's very useful. I loved my Manna Robe though I valued it far far below my Velk robe.

I never thought the Manna Robe made much sense on the other classes, to be honest.

[mickmoranis]

depressing to hear the wiz epic and mana robe combo is shite

[syztem]

I manastone old world with wiz epic all the time whenever I can get a chance, in kunark/vel etc even with C2 I will swap on manna robe(I have HoT Robe + Rend robe) and I found it usually more effective to cast manna robe, sit, stand to let it go off(red doesnt interrupt when we sit) and you can gain back 3k+ mana very fast especially with harvest popping up back and forth. On any longer fights I will swap rend robe in, and just rend and med at the same time since its a longer cast but you can still get i think 3 ticks maybe only 2 in per cast.

[Uuruk]

I manastone old world with wiz epic all the time whenever I can get a chance, in kunark/vel etc even with C2 I will swap on manna robe(I have HoT Robe + Rend robe) and I found it usually more effective to cast manna robe, sit, stand to let it go off(red doesnt interrupt when we sit) and you can gain back 3k+ mana very fast especially with harvest popping up back and forth. On any longer fights I will swap rend robe in, and just rend and med at the same time since its a longer cast but you can still get i think 3 ticks maybe only 2 in per cast.

Thanks for the information

[syztem]

Thanks for the information

why are u even still here? u dont play, ur a bad troll. no one liks you. you have more important issues irl to deal with ie mental illness. 75% this forum is people who quit year+ ago

[Uuruk]

why are u even still here? u dont play, ur a bad troll. no one liks you. you have more important issues irl to deal with ie mental illness. 75% this forum is people who quit year+ ago

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[Spyder73]

I have a guildmate who just put a Manna Robe and Z heart on his necromancer. His exact wording when asked how it was going... "Its pretty underwhelming"

[Doctor Jeff]

It's basically an extra c2 while chain casting at the expense of 120 hp a tick. Not very fun for any class.

Once again, Caiu comes in and proves he knows absolutely nothing about Everquest.

You never chain cast this item.


Manna Robe is a mage item.

[Caiu]

Once again, Caiu comes in and proves he knows absolutely nothing about Everquest.

You never chain cast this item.


Manna Robe is a mage item.

never is a long time. nor did i say its what you should be doing. just putting it into perspective. also i totally do chain cast this on my red wiz like all the time so idk what you are on about.

[Maner]

Once again, Caiu comes in and proves he knows absolutely nothing about Everquest.

You never chain cast this item.


Manna Robe is a mage item.

As a necro i chain cast mine when im grouped with a bard during raids. its easy to VP staff back up when you get low after robbing back your mana