Monster summoning III

[GuyNumber1]

Is this pet of any use? Is it a better tank than the 57 earth pet?
I know the MS2 pet doesn't have any special abilities, does MS3 have any? Thanks!

[Yoink1986]

57 Earth pet over MS3 all day everyday. MS is just a fun fluff spell to use sometimes to see what you can summon.

[dafier]

MS3 is crap until it gets buffed in Luclin which will not happen on P99.

It is a fluff pet and simply put it is awesome when you summon a rare monster skin from whatever zone you are in. I summoned Inny in PoH a while back and it was funny watching Inny fight Inny.

I also summoned 3 or 4 different dragons in ToV. It was great scaring people with it. I've only seen pictures of it but someone summoned the Sleeper as an MS pet. Now that's cool.

On a side note, P99 has dumbed down mage pets (all pets). They aren't classic at all or era correct. They should all be stronger than what they are.

[Bristlebaner]

MS3 is crap until it gets buffed in Luclin which will not happen on P99.

It is a fluff pet and simply put it is awesome when you summon a rare monster skin from whatever zone you are in. I summoned Inny in PoH a while back and it was funny watching Inny fight Inny.

I also summoned 3 or 4 different dragons in ToV. It was great scaring people with it. I've only seen pictures of it but someone summoned the Sleeper as an MS pet. Now that's cool.

On a side note, P99 has dumbed down mage pets (all pets). They aren't classic at all or era correct. They should all be stronger than what they are.


Any way to back this up? Would be nice to see pets returned to former glory.

[dafier]

Any way to back this up? Would be nice to see pets returned to former glory.

The internet is out there for everyone to explore. Do your own research. But there are several posts on P99 in regards to Mage pets. Maybe that will be a good place to start if you don't want to venture outside of this forum.

[GinnasP99]

I've always heard that emissary of thule isn't nearly as good on here as it was in classic and tend to believe it.

[lurk]

On classic MS pets would take on the abilities of the other pets randomly. Some would cast the fire pet DS on themselves, some would even do an AE proc type thing like DDD. Still pretty shitty, though a MS pet with ds is better than a fire pet. Probably a little known thing that is not in game though.

[GuyNumber1]

That'd be nice. It's pretty disappointing their 60 velious spell is basically useless. Every other class's is significant.

[Bristlebaner]

Probably need to find references online of people comparing pet durability vs a certain mob to get an idea of pet power back on live during this time frame. Will do some digging although not confident they want to mess with pets.

[dafier]

Em of Thule was a beast during this time period. This Necro pet might as well be slightly less than the mage epic. Minus dps of course.

And, yes....to a few more comments. MS series even at the end of Velious was crap. JUST after Luclin released....1 month I think, the MS series got a huge upgrade. Their melee dps was bumped up (I think by just changing STR, DEX and other stats, not sure) and they were given a proc called SumMonsterAttack. The proc rate was high, like 10% or more and it did about 50 damage.

So, if you didn't have your epic pet at this time, Summon Monster 3 was a awesome pet to have. Throw a mask on him, BO4 and DS....it really changed the game for non-epic mages.

[gortimer]

i thought the MS3 had some form of bard song.

[wwoneo]

People would actually research a lot more, if their research efforts actually got implemented often; but that doesn't happen. Look at the mage pet tanking and aggro forum post in the bug section. It's been over 3 years since the original post and it still hasn't been fixed even though Nilbog agreed that it wasn't correct.

[skarlorn]

rebbon used MS3 to troll the shit out of BDA in HoT many times

[Baler]

rebbon used MS3 to troll the shit out of BDA in HoT many times

I once trolled BDA during one of their Kael raids with MS2. :D
Braknar even made an appearance.

[dafier]

BAM! MS series is so fun...but worthless otherwise. If P99 staff implemented the Luclin buff to them....all hell would break loose.

I had Innoruuk fighting Innoruuk. So awesome.

[Jimjam]

This thread has got me excited to level up my 24 magician to 34 and summon monsters.

There isn't a focus for monsters though, right?

[Baler]

Summon Monster is always super, super fun to impress new or unknowing players..

Nothing like summoning a shark in east freeport while waiting for the boat.
http://i.imgur.com/hshck5k.png

[dafier]

Correct Jimjam. No focus for MS pets.

lol @ Baler

Should have parked that right in front of the peer in the water. Or off to the side. :) I think Shammy's can make that bigger too.

[gortimer]

yeah earth pets hardly even root on this server. it used to be perma root except when nukes broke it.. here? nada. really sad the p99 dev's hate mages.. they already have it hard enough.

[NegaStoat]

That was one of the depressing things I noticed about the Earth mage pet on the server. That pet on old retail would ALWAYS cast root as its first action if it was off of cooldown, and would be summoned with it prepped and ready as its first action available if told to attack. While mages don't get any crowd control options, it could be used as a ghetto method for breaking certain camps (making spider nets unnecessary for that use).

Here, nope. The other issue I have with pet classes in general is how often NPC mobs hit for max damage in comparison to retail. Pets largely don't feel as robust in comparison to Kunark / Velious era in taking camps on.

[gortimer]

That was one of the depressing things I noticed about the Earth mage pet on the server. That pet on old retail would ALWAYS cast root as its first action if it was off of cooldown, and would be summoned with it prepped and ready as its first action available if told to attack. While mages don't get any crowd control options, it could be used as a ghetto method for breaking certain camps (making spider nets unnecessary for that use).

Here, nope. The other issue I have with pet classes in general is how often NPC mobs hit for max damage in comparison to retail. Pets largely don't feel as robust in comparison to Kunark / Velious era in taking camps on.

I remember they made a command to make pets not cast at all because people complained they casted so often.

[dafier]

P99 has custom AC values for NPCs and pets have been 'nerfed' so to speak in comparison to live during the era. It's beyond obvious for someone who remembers it all to well.

Still, it's fun to play a mage on this server. And if you are fortunate enough to have Epic or even the level 60 water pet and always place it behind the mob (in groups) the dps is really nice with the pet alone. 60 Water pet with BO4 + Muzzle behind a level ~50ish mob does roughly lvl 60 monk level damage.

Shoot, when I was playing my epic pet was out dpsing Chest on Vindi raids.

[dafier]

I remember they made a command to make pets not cast at all because people complained they casted so often.

That was POP era or something I think. I don't recall but this sound familiar.

Also, there was a time when Monster Summon pets durning Velious cast their own Damage Shield and they would cast some other buff. But that was hotfixed by Verant. I remember summoning a Shardwurm in Great Divide (on live) that casted a DS on itself. I clearly remember that and it was OP. I can't find it in Lucy history....but I have seen it mentioned in forums or posts on old web pages. That was a while back and I don't have those references on hand.

[gortimer]

how is the 60 water pet w/ water focus staff? dont hear much about that.

[dafier]

EDIT: I was wrong

The greater focus items (Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water
, Staff of Elemental Mastery: Fire
, Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth
, Staff of Elemental Mastery: Air

Are obtained from high-end mobs and quests. In addition to the same change in appearance and hit points as their lesser counterparts, these staves provide a +1 level bonus to all summoned pets from spell levels 4-60. This allows for pets that can exceed the hit points, melee, and spell damage listed in the tables.

What this means is the level 60 water pet has a chance to be at a summoned level of 49, just like Epic. The dmg both melee and spell max dmg is increased by 2, so theoretically if melee max is 68, it would now be 70 (with the exception of backstab which is like +10). As for HP, it might have like 100 over max. The best buff by far is the level of the mob for the focus items post level 57. The higher the level of pet means it will have a better chance to hit higher level mobs, like raid mobs and special named.

[dafier]

One thing P99 has wrong, after looking at values for MS2 and MS3 is the HP.

The one thing that makes MS2 and MS3 nice is that MS2 should have 3200 HP and MS3 should have 3300 HP. The HP for MS2 is what makes it awesome to use from level 50 to 57. Once you get Earth at 57 switch to it. But the HP it has makes it nice for those levels.

[Bristlebaner]

Are the HP wrong for pet or is it other values such as avoidance that are wrong?

[dafier]

I believe it's only HP but there is no way to know unless P99's DB person(s) come out and let us know what the values are. Which will never happen.

[Goodest]

I believe it's only HP but there is no way to know unless P99's DB person(s) come out and let us know what the values are. Which will never happen.

stop posting and find us both a burnt wood staff.