Stave of shielding / knuckle duster vs IFS

[maceface11]

What combo would be better ? IFS has that horrible delay that is really turning me off from getting it..

[Samoht]

Depends on your level.

[maceface11]

Can you explain why? I've played Eq forever but always casters. I just want to maximize my dps, but when I spend 4-5k I want it to be worth it.

And let's say 45-60.

[Samoht]

Dual-wield has too low of a skill cap to be useful until later levels. 2H weapons are hindered early until the damage cap is removed.

[Maner]

Dual-wield has too low of a skill cap to be useful until later levels. 2H weapons are hindered early until the damage cap is removed.

Later on 1hb also has a higher skill cap than H2H does for a monk

[Troxx]

What combo would be better ? IFS has that horrible delay that is really turning me off from getting it..

IFS is solid dps. Ignoring the proc, it's within spitting distance of Tstaff. After the next patch I'd wager it'll beat SoS x2 and even epic/SoS combo. The high delay can be annoying in that damage can be streaky but for every bad chunk of time you will have an insanely good chunk to counterbalance it. It averages out.

If you ever find yourself tanking or soloing, that high delay translates to far fewer ripostes. Your own ripostes will be much more potent.

Great weapon and pretty light. It's a great value.

[maceface11]

I have schw so the haste should speed it up. I think I'll probably go with IFS. Is that patch for sure at some point scheduled to come? I'm just grinding away at amassing cash so I'm wanting the biggest bang for my buck here

[Spyder73]

I tell every monk they should go for Peacebringer. I had this before I got my epic and it was my favorite weapon I had by a lot. it will last you all the way to 60 if you need it to.

[Troxx]

PB weighs 10 pounds, looks awful, and is not better than IFS.

28/30 vs 38/40

More consistent dps at a cost of being (likely) overweight, eating more ripostes, doing less damage per riposte, eating more DMG shield damage, and not realistically doing better dmg.

[Troxx]

I have schw so the haste should speed it up. I think I'll probably go with IFS. Is that patch for sure at some point scheduled to come? I'm just grinding away at amassing cash so I'm wanting the biggest bang for my buck here

Biggest bang for your buck is IFS at 5k. It's comparable both in weight and dps to AC and SoS which together run 9-10k. I won a Tstaff roll not to long ago but am holding onto my IFS for after the next patch. Once parses start rolling out I expect the price will jump - will sell the IFS after that.

I fully expect the ideal weapon progression without exception will be WQS - PB/IFS - Tstaff with the last two tiers of 2handers putting out more damage than epic/SoS (excluding high AC mobs where fast epic wins out). I could be wrong but TStaff already gets really really close to epic/SoS with IFS not all that far behind. The new 2hand dmg bonus should push them up enough to bump them past.

[Ravager]

It's stupid how good monk gear is for as cheap as it is, especially considering almost everyone has a DPS monk buying it all up.

[Trazic]

It's stupid all these dps monks are actually terrible at DPS with all these exquisite weap/sos/ada club stuffs when a lowly old IFS owns them in DPS by such a margin until about 57 or 58, and even then the riposts make it more efficient to solo with.

People cry about high delay like it's a bad thing, for every 3-4 misses in a row, you do 1.5k damage in the next 3-4 rounds.


I mean I'm with you that IFS is criminally underrated but I have to disagree that it does more dps than adamantite/sos. I'm 52 and Adamantite/sos parses just ahead of Tstaff for me. I'm certain that Tstaff is better than IFS.

[Hitmonkey]

What combo would be better ? IFS has that horrible delay that is really turning me off from getting it..

Doing SoS/Jade mace now at 41 and it parses higher then the IFS. There's a link with the parsing numbers around here somewhere for primary and off hand (it's why I switched the SOS to primary) pre epic and pre upcoming patch there just wasn't a two-hander that parsed higher than a two weapon combo ( at my lvl at least)

[Muggens]

For four years Ive read threads like these, the verdict always the same, a bunch of monks that never come to a consensus it seems - Can it really be such a mystery? Wouldnt parsing reveal the truth?

I might make a monk one day so would like to know this

[maceface11]

I was actually looking at the brawl sticks. One was 30/36 for 3k.. Pretty tempting and doesn't seem like I'd be losing that much dps

[Troxx]

30/36 = .833 ratio

38/40 (IFS) = .95 ratio

28/30 (PB) = .933 ratio

No monk in their right mind would waste money on a brawl stick.

TStaff at 29/30 = .966 ratio

Given weight and the benefits of a slower delay on IFS I'd prefer IFS over TStaff if it weren't for the proc. TStaff at 10 weight (PB also 10) is something a weight conscious monk has to plan for. IFS is only 4 weight. The proc on TStaff is all that makes it 'better' imo, but that proc and the better ratio makes it clearly the best choice.

I've owned jade mace, SoS, AC, PB, IFS and TStaff along with epic. Lacking epic or TStaff I'd take IFS over the rest any day. Epic/SoS made IFS only useful when soloing. After the 2hander changes with next patch, I expect no other weapon to globally perform better than IFS except TStaff.

At 41 I cannot see jade mace and SOS beating IFS over time factoring in tanking, ripostes, and average dps.

[Ravager]

A T-Staff could weigh 20. At 60 with all the weight reduction bags available and the 0.0 gear, it wouldn't matter. Monks will be overweight no matter what if they're carrying 6 bags of shit and wearing their resistance gear. If they're not carrying all of that shit, the 10 weight on either the T-Staff or PB makes little difference at 50+ since they'd just be wearing their everyday light monk gear which probably doesn't total more than 5 weight. A lighter staff gives a few more options for other slots, but at the same time, most monks are looking for the best item for the lightest weight anyway. Feathered leggings are pretty awesome, but most people are stupid about the weight and wouldn't wear them for the 2.0 weight.

[Troxx]

Yes but when comparing two weapons (PB vs IFS) that cost the same and have shockingly similar ratios ...

The fact that one looks like shit and weighs 6 more (10 vs 4) ... it's a no brainer. Once the final damage cap is lifted there is no good reason to choose the PB over the IFS.

TStaff with the best ratio and that incredible proc makes the 6 extra weight well worth it.