When you're healing

[wulfenger]

Don't put up with people complaining about not getting a buff when the first time they asked they were out of range.

Don't put up with someone complaining about not getting a heal when they are not pulling in range of the heal.

Don't get bullied. If you're worried about getting kicked from groups if you defend yourself, understand that you are going to run into people with some internal issues and it's not the end of the world.

[loramin]

I think the basic idea of having thick skin and not letting someone else ruin your fun is an excellent one. However, I also think you'll catch more bees with honey than with vinegar, ie. you'll be more successful dealing with everyone you meet on P99 if you assume the best about them rather than the worst.

That person who was out of range of the buff/heal? They probably didn't mean to be out of range, and it's likely they didn't even know that they were. Heck, non-casters may not even think about the fact that casters have a spell range, because it's not something they've ever experienced.

So, I'm not saying you should let anyone be rude to you, but if you respond with "sorry, I couldn't buff/heal you because you were out of range; please try to stay close when you expect a buff/heal" you'll get kicked from groups for defending yourself a lot less than if you respond with "screw you! I'm doing my job just fine, you're the screw-up" :)

[wulfenger]

I think the basic idea of having thick skin and not letting someone else ruin your fun is an excellent one. However, I also think you'll catch more bees with honey than with vinegar, ie. you'll be more successful dealing with everyone you meet on P99 if you assume the best about them rather than the worst.

That person who was out of range of the buff/heal? They probably didn't mean to be out of range, and it's likely they didn't even know that they were. Heck, non-casters may not even think about the fact that casters have a spell range, because it's not something they've ever experienced.

So, I'm not saying you should let anyone be rude to you, but if you respond with "sorry, I couldn't buff/heal you because you were out of range; please try to stay close when you expect a buff/heal" instead of "screw you I'm doing my job just fine, you're the screw-up" you'll get kicked from groups for defending yourself a lot less :)

The ladder comment is something I don't concern myself with. I give my reasoning and if the flame continues then I just say you won't get it if you continue being aggressive towards me. It's a legitimate situation and not everyone has the capacity to calm down. Thank you for the generalization though. I can tell you've had a couple situations that didn't go your way.

[loramin]

Thank you for the generalization though. I can tell you've had a couple situations that didn't go your way.

Heh, this server attracts some interesting folks from time to time.

The ladder comment is something I don't concern myself with. I give my reasoning and if the flame continues then I just say you won't get it if you continue being aggressive towards me. It's a legitimate situation and not everyone has the capacity to calm down.

If someone continues to be a dick then absolutely, stop grouping with them, tell them to fuck off, or whatever.

All I'm saying is that, as long as you're dealing with someone who there's still hope for, and as long as you want to prioritize getting the response you want, then you should de-prioritize getting to respond the way you want. If you respond in a way that's the opposite of how their behavior is making you want to respond it will result in better outcomes for you (like more XP because your group stays together longer), even if it hurts to be nice to someone who's not being nice to you.

But then of course there are other things to care about besides just keeping your group together.

[Lhancelot]

Don't put up with people complaining about not getting a buff when the first time they asked they were out of range.

Don't put up with someone complaining about not getting a heal when they are not pulling in range of the heal.

Don't get bullied. If you're worried about getting kicked from groups if you defend yourself, understand that you are going to run into people with some internal issues and it's not the end of the world.

I didn't know it was hard to wait for someone to be in a range and then buff them. Is that too much to expect from you almighty healer?

Pullers often have to fetch mobs from places much further than heal range, so if this is the case they should not expect a heal?

Healers aren't the only ones bullied...

Your advice to healers while perhaps well intentioned comes off poorly and sounds very self-entitled.

On a side note, I have never seen a healer bullied, in fact usually healers are granted more patience than other classes.

[Troxx]

As a shaman in the low to mid 50s the hardest groups were always when I found myself as the only priest in the absence of an enchanter to both handle the haste and assist with crowd control. Holding down all the healing, slowing, and buffs for a full group was hell.

Just state expectations up front and let them know your priorities. For me those priorities were in the following order:
-cheap (not Turgurs) slow on every mob
-emergency heal
-chloro/regrowth on ever person taking damage (most efficient heal)
-standard top off heal
-sow to puller
-haste to melee
-str to melee
-everything else, and only if mana was sustainable

If the group had a problem with that, I'd give them a quick math lesson and explain how they can't expect a solo shaman to maintain chain pulls and do half the jobs in the group. Slows come before heals, heals come before buffs, and non-critical buffs should not be expected.

[wulfenger]

I didn't know it was hard to wait for someone to be in a range and then buff them. Is that too much to expect from you almighty healer?

Pullers often have to fetch mobs from places much further than heal range, so if this is the case they should not expect a heal?

Healers aren't the only ones bullied...

Your advice to healers while perhaps well intentioned comes off poorly and sounds very self-entitled.

On a side note, I have never seen a healer bullied, in fact usually healers are granted more patience than other classes.

1. It's not hard to wait for them. I didn't say that at all. In fact you made up that statement from nothing.

2. In my situation, pulling for example with 70% health and then fighting it across the yard and then complains about why they aren't getting heals while I'm mashing the heal button and trying to get in range of them is not a kind thing to do at all.

3. My post wasn't intended to flame. It was intended for healers to have some self-respect and not bend to the will of abuse.

The only point I'm getting from your posts is "How dare you suggest that people stand up to me?"

The other suggestion I'm receiving is that people would get it after a quick math lesson. It's not a totally unachievable concept to understand why people would think that would work every time. I get it. But what if I don't feel like it? That's reasonable too.

If you want me to accept your opinions, they need to be absent of lies, generalizations, and assumptions based on prejudice.

[wulfenger]

As a shaman in the low to mid 50s the hardest groups were always when I found myself as the only priest in the absence of an enchanter to both handle the haste and assist with crowd control. Holding down all the healing, slowing, and buffs for a full group was hell.

Just state expectations up front and let them know your priorities. For me those priorities were in the following order:
-cheap (not Turgurs) slow on every mob
-emergency heal
-chloro/regrowth on ever person taking damage (most efficient heal)
-standard top off heal
-sow to puller
-haste to melee
-str to melee
-everything else, and only if mana was sustainable

If the group had a problem with that, I'd give them a quick math lesson and explain how they can't expect a solo shaman to maintain chain pulls and do half the jobs in the group. Slows come before heals, heals come before buffs, and non-critical buffs should not be expected.

Thank you for your post. It was well thought out and I would honestly choose it over my own.

[wulfenger]

Heh, this server attracts some interesting folks from time to time.



If someone continues to be a dick then absolutely, stop grouping with them, tell them to fuck off, or whatever.

All I'm saying is that, as long as you're dealing with someone who there's still hope for, and as long as you want to prioritize getting the response you want, then you should de-prioritize getting to respond the way you want. If you respond in a way that's the opposite of how their behavior is making you want to respond it will result in better outcomes for you (like more XP because your group stays together longer), even if it hurts to be nice to someone who's not being nice to you.

But then of course there are other things to care about besides just keeping your group together.

I think you like to tell yourself you're a good person, but it's really not true at all. I reject your post and your attempt at "agreeing with me" for the sake of me agreeing with you.

[Jimjam]

I think it is important to remember that when a puller suggests they need a buff, they might not expect it immediately. There is such a thing as letting you know in advance!

When I need to buff a puller, I will wait until I can guarantee they are in camp for a while (e.g. the camp is full of CCd mobs so they don't need to grab more).

From their perspective: one of the worst things you can do to a puller is land a buff or heal on them while they are out of camp and get aggro on a mis-pull they are trying to manage and you end up bringing it all into the camp at once (this is especially bad if you are the only healer or cc)!

Just as buffers are under pressure to keep up their job, so are pullers. Many groups will expect there to be at least one mob in the camp at all time (because the melee/pet dps are also under pressure to keep up their job).

I mean, really it is about efficiency, team work and communication. Not really about bullying and finger pointing, even if it may feel like that under pressure.


The other thing is, if they ask for a heal and then run off without it, you have to make the assumption that they made the judgement call that they will be okay for this pull without a heal. In the majority of situations, I strongly advise against leaving the camp to heal a puller as it is much easier to recover a dead puller than the cleric or even an entire group.

If they asked for a heal a while ago and still haven't got one, well then I guess they got impatient, which is understandable as we are all human.

[wulfenger]

I think it is important to remember that when a puller suggests they need a buff, they might not expect it immediately. There is such a thing as letting you know in advance!

When I need to buff a puller, I will wait until I can guarantee they are in camp for a while (e.g. the camp is full of CCd mobs so they don't need to grab more).

From their perspective: one of the worst things you can do to a puller is land a buff or heal on them while they are out of camp and get aggro on a mis-pull they are trying to manage and you end up bringing it all into the camp at once (this is especially bad if you are the only healer or cc)!

Just as buffers are under pressure to keep up their job, so are pullers. Many groups will expect there to be at least one mob in the camp at all time (because the melee/pet dps are also under pressure to keep up their job).

I mean, really it is about efficiency, team work and communication. Not really about bullying and finger pointing, even if it may feel like that under pressure.


The other thing is, if they ask for a heal and then run off without it, you have to make the assumption that they made the judgement call that they will be okay for this pull without a heal. In the majority of situations, I strongly advise against leaving the camp to heal a puller as it is much easier to recover a dead puller than the cleric or even an entire group.

If they asked for a heal a while ago and still haven't got one, well then I guess they got impatient, which is understandable as we are all human.

I agree with your post. Your edit though highlights a situation that never happened. I always heal when the puller is having issues, especially FD pullers. It's still a good piece of information though, even though it's based on the assumption of another.

I merely highlighted easy concepts to understand for both healers and the rest of the group. It's not hard to understand etiquette and lashing out against me because I said you should have some isn't going to solve anything. Although I do appreciate the attempts to close the case on me as if I did something wrong.

[RDawg816]

Although I do appreciate the attempts to close the case on me as if I did something wrong.
Your post and your attitude tell me this should have been posted in RnF.

I levelled up my shaman as the only healer, slower, CC in 99% of my groups. If people asked for buffs I didn't feel they needed I would tell them no. If they were out of range I'd move or buff them when they came back. If people had a problem with this they could leave the group (no one ever did though...)

I have seen people "bullied" and/or kicked from groups. It was always a unanimous decision to kick and always after 20+ minutes of explaining in group chat what they were doing wrong. If you're getting "bullied" it might be warranted. Alternatively, you could just group with jerks.... Based on your posts I can only imagine you're super fun to have in a group!

[Beastagoog]

Most peeps 2 lazy 2 play priest classes.

I.e roll rogues and demand buffs while out putting shitty semi afk dps.

Once you play a priest class you understand the frustrations of playing them.

[Lifebar]

I just buff them with Courage until they notice. Then apologize and buff them with Center.

[wulfenger]

Your post and your attitude tell me this should have been posted in RnF.

I levelled up my shaman as the only healer, slower, CC in 99% of my groups. If people asked for buffs I didn't feel they needed I would tell them no. If they were out of range I'd move or buff them when they came back. If people had a problem with this they could leave the group (no one ever did though...)

I have seen people "bullied" and/or kicked from groups. It was always a unanimous decision to kick and always after 20+ minutes of explaining in group chat what they were doing wrong. If you're getting "bullied" it might be warranted. Alternatively, you could just group with jerks.... Based on your posts I can only imagine you're super fun to have in a group!

Attacks on my character and expecting me to shut up when I'm told doesn't work on me. Sorry. Maybe you should work on not feeling so insignificant when you feel like someone might be better than you. It's okay bro. Feels all around.

Also, I did not turn this into a RnF post. The angry mob did. Must be really hurting your feelings that I'm not intimidated.

[wulfenger]

I just buff them with Courage until they notice. Then apologize and buff them with Center.

Haha! Good one!

[loramin]

I didn't say that at all. In fact you made up that statement from nothing.

I think you like to tell yourself you're a good person, but it's really not true at all. I reject your post and your attempt at "agreeing with me" for the sake of me agreeing with you.

Wow, pot calling the kettle black much? There was nothing in my post about "agreeing with you" for the sake of you agreeing with me, or about being a good person, let alone me telling myself that I was one.

On the contrary, my advice had absolutely nothing to do with being good to anyone: it was 100% applicable to a completely selfish/self-centered healer.

What you seem to have a hard time grasping is that satisfying your immediate desire for gratification can make it harder to benefit yourself (your selfish self) in the long term. When you act like an asshole to someone in the game, deserved or not (that's completely irrelevant) you feel good for 5 seconds. "Yeah, I told the puller off, what a jerk he was!"

... and then you get kicked out of the group. Then maybe in the future you'll be looking for a group and not get an invite because the group includes that same puller, or maybe one of their alts you've never met, or maybe someone else from the group that kicked you. So you got to satisfy your immediate need for gratification, but you screwed yourself out of the experience you would have got from staying in the group, and potentially you've screwed yourself out of XP you never even knew you could have gotten. And that doesn't even address other negative side effects, like that the people you piss off might charge you more in the EC Tunnel, or vote against your future guild application.

OR you can hold your tongue, speak respectfully to everyone whether or not they deserve it, and stay in the group. You get to keep getting XP, and as for the future ... well I've certainly never heard anyone say "that guy was really nice to an asshole: let's not invite him because of it".

Again, none of this has anything to with being a "good person". In fact, most people would describe what I'm talking about as being "two-faced", not good. But if you still can't grasp the concept that acting like a jerk hurts you (and no one else) in the long run, then by all means keep acting the same.

[wulfenger]

Your post and your attitude tell me this should have been posted in RnF.

I levelled up my shaman as the only healer, slower, CC in 99% of my groups. If people asked for buffs I didn't feel they needed I would tell them no. If they were out of range I'd move or buff them when they came back. If people had a problem with this they could leave the group (no one ever did though...)

I have seen people "bullied" and/or kicked from groups. It was always a unanimous decision to kick and always after 20+ minutes of explaining in group chat what they were doing wrong. If you're getting "bullied" it might be warranted. Alternatively, you could just group with jerks.... Based on your posts I can only imagine you're super fun to have in a group!

Wow, pot calling the kettle black much? There was nothing in my post about "agreeing with you" for the sake of you agreeing with me, or about being a good person, let alone me telling myself that I was one.

On the contrary, my advice had absolutely nothing to do with being good to anyone: it was 100% applicable to a completely selfish/self-centered healer.

What you seem to have a hard time grasping is that satisfying your immediate desire for gratification can make it harder to benefit yourself (your selfish self) in the long term. When you act like an asshole to someone in the game, deserved or not (that's completely irrelevant) you feel good for 5 seconds. "Yeah, I told the puller off, what a jerk he was!"

... and then you get kicked out of the group. Then maybe in the future you'll be looking for a group and not get an invite because the group includes that same puller, or maybe one of their alts you've never met, or maybe someone else from the group that kicked you. So you got to satisfy your immediate need for gratification, but you screwed yourself out of the experience you would have got from staying in the group, and potentially you've screwed yourself out of XP you never even knew you could have gotten. And that doesn't even address other negative side effects, like that the people you piss off might charge you more in the EC Tunnel, or vote against your future guild application.

OR you can hold your tongue, speak respectfully to everyone whether or not they deserve it, and stay in the group. You get to keep getting XP, and as for the future ... well I've certainly never heard anyone say "that guy was really nice to an asshole: let's not invite him because of it".

Again, none of this has anything to with being a "good person". In fact, most people would describe what I'm talking about as being "two-faced", not good. But if you still can't grasp the concept that acting like a jerk hurts you (and no one else) in the long run, then by all means keep acting the same.

I've grown accustomed to your posts being long and pointless. TLDR; sorry.

[Troxx]

Rofl OP really comes off as a Grade-A douche canoe.

[aaezil]

No wonder this guy gets told off in groups... His salty attitude lol. Did your parents not love you enough or something?

[wulfenger]

No wonder this guy gets told off in groups... His salty attitude lol. Did your parents not love you enough or something?

How am I salty? You and most of the "bros" are trying to deter people from my OP.

That salty enough for ya? :)

[aaezil]

Sweet im a bro now? Do i get sweet visors in the mail now?

[wulfenger]

This post is about being a healer in the right situation. Don't get stomped on or be assimilated into groups where people take this game wayyyy too seriously. Taking this game way too seriously = bad attitudes as shown above.

Thank you to those who could relate and provided constructive information.

All hail Cazic-Thule and the Iksars. No wonder they couldn't put up with your shit.

[fohkure]

obvious troll, please move to rnf or close thread. ty in advance

[Cen]

Anyone who even politely says or does anything that doesnt make me 100% happy eventually gets fucked :p ill find a way.. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow.. But its coming.

[Doctor Jeff]

Sounds like OP is bad at his class.

When someone asks for a buff or heal it doesn't mean, "you lazy fuck, do your job!" it means, "ok I'm ready and this will land now"

[fash]

Try playing on red server where, instead of only whinging, you can kill people if they rustle your jimmies.

[loramin]

Try playing on red server where, instead of only whinging, you can kill people if they rustle your jimmies.

You'd have to actually find another person on the server first ...

[alexnoshinku]

Have to say, never had a problem healing groups or my duo partner. If they are dying fast they probably pulled to many mobs and need to FD, gate, or zone unless there is an enchanter in group (love that CC) but also line of sight them to make sure you can get a heal off if needed. I don't allow my tanks or dps to die (even if being dicks) because 9/10 times they do not realize they are out of range so I move till they are in range. NEVER heal a puller when they over pull because they usually FD or find a why to wipe aggro. If you do then you'll usually kill your group (one thing I can not stand). Have trust in your Pullers, tanks, and dps because they are trusting that you wont let them die or that you give them plenty of warning if your are LOM or OOM. I always move towards the person asking if they are out of range because I know it can be a pain to move towards the healer. Healers (clerics mostly) sit most the time so moving a few feet forward is n't going to hurt if they are out of range or around the corner with the other dps. You should ALWAYS be in range of your DPS, and even have them in your line of sight (my number one rule).

[wulfenger]

You guys were actually right. My perception was off because something worked me up and I was being as vague as possible. Legitimately thought I was helping. Thanks for all your input.

[Lhancelot]

I think you like to tell yourself you're a good person, but it's really not true at all.


It's not hard to understand etiquette and lashing out against me because I said you should have some isn't going to solve anything.

Attacks on my character and expecting me to shut up when I'm told doesn't work on me. Sorry. Maybe you should work on not feeling so insignificant when you feel like someone might be better than you. It's okay bro. Feels all around.

Also, I did not turn this into a RnF post. The angry mob did. Must be really hurting your feelings that I'm not intimidated.

I've grown accustomed to your posts being long and pointless. TLDR; sorry.

How am I salty? You and most of the "bros" are trying to deter people from my OP.

That salty enough for ya? :)

Taking this game way too seriously = bad attitudes as shown above.

All hail Cazic-Thule and the Iksars. No wonder they couldn't put up with your shit.


All of these gems were going in the right direction OP, awesome trolling! Good job making it personal, and pointing out how inferior others are as well as attacking them then proclaiming to be the victim! These are tactics that only half-decent trolls implement, so you are definitely on the fast track to being a RnF star. Keep up the good work, and remember, practice makes perfect!




You guys were actually right. My perception was off because something worked me up and I was being as vague as possible. Legitimately thought I was helping. Thanks for all your input.

Wow. Highly disappointed! Either a new person has taken over your forum account and is posting, OR someone has warned you not to make enemies of the elfs here on the forums/in the game so you have written a disingenuous "apologetic" post seeking acceptance and forgiveness! Cease and desist, follow your troll-heart man!