Sky - Overseer of Air

[Mythanor]

I don't see you out competeing for those rotated non fte mobs anyway so why does it matter to you? Perhaps if you want into said rotation you should put forth the effort of fighting for the mobs in question rather than stomping your feet demanding to be let in...

And you're not part of the Sky rotation, so why should you (or your guild members to be exact) open their mouth about what it was? Pot... meet... kettle.

Edit: And this isn't about *stomping our feet to be let ...* into anything. It was implied that it sickened someone that guilds made an arrangement for something, and yet we sometimes do stuff together. Not counting today's AoW , I saw the exact same thing on the last AoW between A and A.. you know, the two guild that *love competition*, yet teamed up? yet complain when others guild do it? Again.. Pot.. meet.. kettle.

[Maner]

And you're not part of the Sky rotation, so why should you (or your guild members to be exact) open their mouth about what it was? Pot... meet... kettle.

Edit: And this isn't about *stomping our feet to be let ...* into anything. It was implied that it sickened someone that guilds made an arrangement for something, and yet we sometimes do stuff together. Not counting today's AoW , I saw the exact same thing on the last AoW between A and A.. you know, the two guild that *love competition*, yet teamed up? yet complain when others guild do it? Again.. Pot.. meet.. kettle.

I don't see anyone in aftermath speaking about wanting nobles ffa. The last AOW AM got to like 10% and AW killed it after we wiped. This week it was beneficial to team up and get one drop rather than run the risk of wiping and losing both drops.

I guess you just don't know what you're actually seeing.

[raato]

I'll admit, my argument is more subjective than objective, however, CSG speaks with a single voice and is a single guild de facto. At least from an outsiders perspective.

I don't think it is madness for those interested in nobles to not wish to return to the previous system. The promise of more nobles, up to 1 a day, never really came to be during my time in sky. The timer spreadsheet basically fell apart due to snipe groups/plat farmers holding the timers. That's really the bigger issue. In fact, I was approached yesterday about setting up a team to contest nobles. :eek:

CSG is not single guild and does not always speak with single voice, even if we sometimes choose 1 person to communicate with other guilds in some things, that is just because it makes things easier for everyone. Noble has never been one of these cases. Even if we agree upon many things, we also disagree in some. We all have our own cultures, leaders and members. If we wanted to be 1 guild, we would have merged already. And believe me, merge would make alot of things easier, but we choose not to.

We all have our own Sky slots, and we all have had them for several years.

Also Sirken often acknowledges us as 3 different guilds. In all negotiations and talks with Sirken so far each of CSG guilds has had their own seat in the table.

CSG guilds almost always want to be treated as 3 different entities if/when CSG teams up with other guilds like Rustle etc. There is exceptions of course and we can be flexible about this, but usually this is the case. For example on Statue last night CSG was considered as 3 entities when we teamed up with Rustle and later we teamed up again for CT and we were considered as 1 entity, because Rustle basically won nothing valuable on Statue and we wanted to make up for it on CT (in both kills CSG outnumbered Rustle about 4:1).

And it's not unheard of that Europa, AG and Omni has competed against each others on targets that each guild can do by their own easily. Good examples are Noble, Vaniki, Hate minis, RF etc.

A/A has teamed up for many targets lately, should they also be considered as one raiding entity? No.

Timer spreadsheet we had fell apart because guilds didn't hold their part of the agreement where it was stated that "Noble has to die asap" and "Let other guilds know well in advance if you cannot handle Noble that day/time", that gave room for snipe groups and plat farmers to find noble up for several hours and get the timers.

So TL;DR: No matter how hard you want to tells us that we are 1 guild, we are not. We are 3 guilds raid alliance for harder targets due to nature of competitive environment on the server. We share the shame vision how this servers raid scene should be, but that does not mean that we are single guild.

[Zemus]

So TL;DR: No matter how hard you want to tells us that we are 1 guild, we are not. We are 3 guilds raid alliance for harder targets due to nature of competitive environment on the server. We share the shame vision how this servers raid scene should be, but that does not mean that we are single guild.

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[raato]

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I'm kinda missing your point? Of course we have CSG Message of the Day to announce our common preparks. You can also see "Europa MOTD" there, where we try to update Europas scheduled raids when we remember.

The fact that we work better together as raiding alliance for harder targets than FoH/Ven ever did because of numerous reasons still doesn't make us 1 guild.

[Lhancelot]

I'm kinda missing your point? Of course we have CSG Message of the Day to announce our common preparks. You can also see "Europa MOTD" there, where we try to update Europas scheduled raids when we remember.

The fact that we work better together as raiding alliance for harder targets than FoH/Ven ever did because of numerous reasons still doesn't make us 1 guild.

Why not stop pussyfooting around and just combine the zerg into one guild.

Wouldn't it be easier to mobilize, communicate, and organize all of "CSG" if you were in the same guild?

My biggest issue with AG is the constant message of "casuals that raid yada yada yada" on the forums when in actuality AG has some of the biggest greediest neckbeards on the server.

At least the top raid guilds don't try to pretend they aint neckbearding stuff, they raid and raid hard, and admit doing so that's their MO.

AG is a zerg guild, that is part of an even bigger zerg alliance with two other guilds, one of them also being a zerg guild itself (hi Europa)!

I only respect Omni, they have quality people, are not a zerg guild, and if you ever deal with them you never meet a bad one. They really seem to tow the line with some decent quality control rearding guild membership, unlike AG or Europa.

This is not to say AG and Europa have all bad people, they have some great people. Point is, I find the leadership of AG in particular very disingenuous and grow really tired of their forum defenders playing the woe-is-us-poor-little-guild card.

AG is not this kind, benevolent guild force on P99 that brings joy and happiness to all, they are a large zerg guild that zergs even harder in an "alliance" with two other guilds to feed their greedy neckbeard leaders more pixels.

[Zemus]

I'm kinda missing your point? Of course we have CSG Message of the Day to announce our common preparks. You can also see "Europa MOTD" there, where we try to update Europas scheduled raids when we remember.

The fact that we work better together as raiding alliance for harder targets than FoH/Ven ever did because of numerous reasons still doesn't make us 1 guild.

I have no point, I don't want to argue the finer points of the CSG alliance. I concede.

[kotton05]

Lhance,

You don't get many advAntages with a force that rivals zerg like numbers. It makes perfect sense to exist as smaller multiple entities and just combine for raids. Less mouths to feed on a whole, can raid other targets like hot sky hate etc separately and keep moral on the up n up. All the while maintaining dkp systems that been in place before a/a (which is a huge reason why most merges don't happen)

On the contrary a zerg like force needs lots of overall pixels to survive and not eat itself from the inside. Lots of effort would need to be put forth.

[Lhancelot]

Lhance,

You don't get many advAntages with a force that rivals zerg like numbers. It makes perfect sense to exist as smaller multiple entities and just combine for raids. Less mouths to feed on a whole, can raid other targets like hot sky hate etc separately and keep moral on the up n up. All the while maintaining dkp systems that been in place before a/a (which is a huge reason why most merges don't happen)

On the contrary a zerg like force needs lots of overall pixels to survive and not eat itself from the inside. Lots of effort would need to be put forth.

Well. What's the difference, they already are doing that especially when they team up for "CSG."

The fact remains also that Europa and AG are both zerg guilds.

From my perspective AG does suffer from the too-many-bodies-too-little-to-feed phenomenon. This only gets exacerbated by some individuals who are extremely greedy and in leadership positions.

I don't care in the big picture, the guild drama on forums is funny to me especially when I don't have to be a part of it.

I just find it humorous and disingenuous how certain individuals present their guilds to the forum community one way when in reality they are hardly as they say.

I have no sympathy for AG not one bit when it comes to them crying about not getting enough pixels.

[raato]

The fact remains also that Europa and AG are both zerg guilds.

Please do tell me more about this zerg Europa is roaming around with? I did actually take a look at our DKP data from past few months and we usually seem to bring about 5-30 people to contested targets on CSG raids. Most of the time number being between 15-20 people.

I can admit that our weekly scheduled raids that happen every week at same time can muster attendance up to 60 when stars are aligned perfectly, but usually its between 30-40 people. We seem to have currently 115 members that have attended raid past 30 days, but we have never had them all at same raid.

And about our recruitment process since it clearly bothers you, we seem to deny about 50% of the applicants for various reasons, none of which are related on their playing skills since our only requirements are 35+ lvl and being a decent human being. Sometimes bad apples get through, but as soon as we find out we'll get rid of them. Every complaint we get about our guild members we investigate and deal how we see fit (give out warnings, guild kick, etc.).

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Anyhow, this is so far off topic at the moment that its pointless. Especially when some people posting seem to know very little about the matter they seem to have so strong feelings about. If you feel like you need to discuss more about why CSG should merge, please PM me or start a new thread, I'll gladly hear out your opinions on the matter.

[Lhancelot]

Please do tell me more about this zerg Europa is roaming around with? I can admit that our weekly scheduled raids that happen every week at same time can muster attendance up to 60 when stars are aligned perfectly, but usually its between 30-40 people.

You add this with your CSG alliance of AG and the small group of Omni, that's an immense force. that's what I would call a zerg force, no ways around it.

As for your members, I have met very nice members. As you say, some bad apples can get in also. From personal experience, I have met some of those bad apples as well as the good in Europa.

I have never once met a bad Omni guild member. Of all the guilds in the CSG alliance Omni strikes me as the highest of quality. They really seem to pick a very specific type of player to guild with them and it shows.

[Sadiki]

The worst part of P99 isn't the convoluted raiding. It's that they allow forum trolls to run Server Chat thread into 27 pages of endless, factless bickering that doesn't actually resemble anything that occurs in game. It's not surprising that this thread is now just a series of comments attempting to bait out angry replies and has nothing to do with the original topic.

Saying stuff like a guild or alliance is accountable for every thing that any member types is also really childish and obvious trolling. If you think this video game is like a business corporation, you should sort out your mental health. Do I represent all three guilds with this post? If so, I heard CSG likes oreos with no filling. Yeah, just the cookie part. Disgusting.

[Samoht]

Sad kiki is sad :(

[Sadiki]

You add this with your CSG alliance of AG and the small group of Omni, that's an immense force. that's what I would call a zerg force, no ways around it.
Ok, so let's call it a zerg force. That means the other alliances, AM, AW, etc are also zerg forces as they field similar numbers. I'm not sure what the point is aside from trying to rile someone up from calling their guild a zerg. All guilds run these numbers and occasionally work together. AoW is regularly brought down every single week with these numbers because it's required. You have literally no point you are arguing, nor does this have a single thing to do with Overseer of Air.

[Rygar]

Saying stuff like a guild or alliance is accountable for every thing that any member types is also really childish and obvious trolling. If you think this video game is like a business corporation, you should sort out your mental health. Do I represent all three guilds with this post? If so, I heard CSG likes oreos with no filling. Yeah, just the cookie part. Disgusting.

WTF man, my wife takes the filling out of her oreos, combines the two halves to make a quadruple stuffed oreo that she sets aside for me, and just eats the cookies like cereal in her milk.

You have just robbed me and all of CSG of quadruple stuffing, your DKP shall suffer for this...

[Lhancelot]

Ok, so let's call it a zerg force. That means the other alliances, AM, AW, etc are also zerg forces as they field similar numbers. I'm not sure what the point is aside from trying to rile someone up from calling their guild a zerg. All guilds run these numbers and occasionally work together. AoW is regularly brought down every single week with these numbers because it's required. You have literally no point you are arguing, nor does this have a single thing to do with Overseer of Air.

Oh sorry, let me get on track here and start arguing over the Overseer of Air, that way my useless bickering is validated as something important.

[Sadiki]

You're free to state what your actual point is and how it relates to the topic at hand, y'know.

[Lhancelot]

You're free to state what your actual point is and how it relates to the topic at hand, y'know.

When people are chirping about their guild disingeuously, I am free to state whatever point I deem appropriately regarding such statements. Sorry that ruffles your feathers.

You shouldn't get emotional over what people discuss here on the forums, as nothing was aimed at you personally.

Anyway, carry on arguing over "Overseers of Air." It's been a real hoot reading the drama passed back and forth. :p

[Pokesan]

as always the answer lies in Scripture (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbJ4yzA854A)

[Sadiki]

Sorry that ruffles your feathers. You shouldn't get emotional over what people discuss here on the forums
You got me. I am an emotional wreck. It's really just been one long downhill battle since my parents were murdered in an alleyway near the theater when I was a child. It's been a hard life of dressing up like a bat and fighting crime on video game emulation server forums. :(

[Fasttimes]

You got me. I am an emotional wreck. It's really just been one long downhill battle since my parents were murdered in an alleyway near the theater when I was a child. It's been a hard life of dressing up like a bat and fighting crime on video game emulation server forums. :(

Let's get back on topic this is all clearly rustle and they are the bane of the server. Their atrocities must be stopped. What can we do to stop these plebs.

[Samoht]

What can we do to stop these plebs.

Kill the OoAs.

[Fasttimes]

Kill the OoAs.

Please do these nerds must be stopped.

[Lhancelot]

You got me. I am an emotional wreck. It's really just been one long downhill battle since my parents were murdered in an alleyway near the theater when I was a child. It's been a hard life of dressing up like a bat and fighting crime on video game emulation server forums. :(

lol. :p

[Savok]

I can't think of any current AG member who is pixel hungry. Feel free to name names if you want, including your own Lhancelot - I have no clue who you are in game anon forum troll.

[Pokesan]

I can't think of any current AG member who is pixel hungry. Feel free to name names if you want, including your own Lhancelot - I have no clue who you are in game anon forum troll.

Kanidian says out of character, 'FYI: FoG and Venerate cannot engage draco - in zone during spawn, PST valick if u feel the need to dispute but its black and white'
Kanidian says out of character, 'will take concessions here :)'

[Maliant]

Kill the OoAs.

Looks like they took your advice, OoA has been getting killed on the regular now. No pixels for anyone, everyone happy now? Yay!

[Jimjam]

Looks like they took your advice, OoA has been getting killed on the regular now. No pixels for anyone, everyone happy now? Yay!

I suggest Rustle hold 'simulated Noble pops' where four times a week they port up to sky and clear out isle 1, regardless of whether ND actually spawned or not.

This way they can show that it was in no advantageous to kill the OOAs as a strategy to prevent zone disruption on their raid days!

[Samoht]

Looks like they took your advice, OoA has been getting killed on the regular now. No pixels for anyone, everyone happy now? Yay!

I don't think you quite understand how this works, do you? OoA drops noble loot and killing it pops the Hand of Veeshan, which also drops noble loot. The people killing OoAs are definitely getting loot from the OoA kill, and sometimes from HoV, but they also often leave HoVs up. So to say "no pixels for anyone" is outright misinformed.

The only people missing out are the hardcore poop-sockers trying to FTE noble within seconds of the spawn. It sucks for them, but they shouldn't have started shitting all over the smaller guilds by clearing island 1 in order to port up to noble. Blame them. It was people like AG and Rustle that got us into this situation.

[Jimjam]

Those bloody AG wankers killing two thunder spirits when it wasn't their day!

[Savok]

I don't think you quite understand how this works, do you? OoA drops noble loot and killing it pops the Hand of Veeshan, which also drops noble loot. The people killing OoAs are definitely getting loot from the OoA kill, and sometimes from HoV, but they also often leave HoVs up. So to say "no pixels for anyone" is outright misinformed.

The only people missing out are the hardcore poop-sockers trying to FTE noble within seconds of the spawn. It sucks for them, but they shouldn't have started shitting all over the smaller guilds by clearing island 1 in order to port up to noble. Blame them. It was people like AG and Rustle that got us into this situation.

There is a complete difference between a guild (AG) killing 2 thunder spirits and then stopping AND helping buy keys for the guild that ported up for their raid vs someone (unknown?) who doesn't give a crap and just clears Isle 1 on a regular basis. AG never kills OoA's if they are up so that more Nobles spawn for more people. Anytime that Noble spawns and we go after it we will either use corpse'd toons or buy keys to 1.5. We will even wait if there are guilds already up there preparing to try the mob (VS/Second Sons this weekend for example). We could of easily mobilized and killed the mob but decided not to shit over those smaller guilds as you put it.

You can't pick and choose whether your racing for a mob or shitting over a smaller guild - either its one or the other, otherwise I'm going to call A/A for shitting over us every time we kill clear for Vox/Naggy/Magi/VS etc and they come in and pick off the mob. Why is that any different than if we did that to a smaller guild? We can all either complain about it, get better or try to negotiate different terms. It would just be nice if you can see a guild is 80% through the process that your guild just lets them have first try. You can see that they are actively working on the mob - things would just be so much nicer on this server but that's never going to happen because after 8 years onto this project people are still pixel hungry.

Do you really think that guilds want to poop-sock mobs? It's a result of having to do this just to have a chance at any drops because some guilds can't stand to share. This isn't Live, there isn't going to be something new to move on to kill and waive your e-peen over. If I wanted that I would be on Live with over 150K HEM and fighting for that 5% better new item in a instance somewhere.

[GinnasP99]

shituation.

ftfy

[Samoht]

There is a complete difference between a guild (AG) killing 2 thunder spirits and then stopping AND helping buy keys for the guild that ported up for their raid vs someone (unknown?) who doesn't give a crap and just clears Isle 1 on a regular basis. AG never kills OoA's if they are up so that more Nobles spawn for more people. Anytime that Noble spawns and we go after it we will either use corpse'd toons or buy keys to 1.5.

So which is it? Do you buy your keys or do you clear fairies and wait to get caught by the guild assigned for that day as they start to port up? Do you want me to call you a liar now or wait until you incriminate yourself further?

You can't pick and choose whether your racing for a mob or shitting over a smaller guild - either its one or the other, otherwise I'm going to call A/A for shitting over us every time we kill clear for Vox/Naggy/Magi/VS etc and they come in and pick off the mob. Why is that any different than if we did that to a smaller guild?

Those mobs aren't rotated. It's not even a valid comparison. If you want a server-wide rotation for raid mobs, here's your chance to start one, but a rotation already exists for sky. Some people don't respect it, and it's made people realize the OoAs are better off dead to further their own guild than to let greedy farmers have them.

We can all either complain about it, get better or try to negotiate different terms. It would just be nice if you can see a guild is 80% through the process that your guild just lets them have first try. You can see that they are actively working on the mob - things would just be so much nicer on this server but that's never going to happen because after 8 years onto this project people are still pixel hungry.

No. There is no reason for AG to clear island 1 if it's not their week. FTE does not apply. You shouldn't be killing anything on island 1 at all if it's not your week.

Do you really think that guilds want to poop-sock mobs? It's a result of having to do this just to have a chance at any drops because some guilds can't stand to share. This isn't Live, there isn't going to be something new to move on to kill and waive your e-peen over. If I wanted that I would be on Live with over 150K HEM and fighting for that 5% better new item in a instance somewhere.

I don't poop-sock. My guild doesn't poop-sock. We don't want to do it. We don't have to do it. The players who do it do so because it is their choice 100% every time. There's no other justification for it besides pixel-lust. When it drives you to do bad things and treat others poorly, you really need to take a step back and reconsider your life choices.

[Jimjam]

I would be interested in seeing your proof of AG clearing Isle 1 even once (when it wasn't their day).

Note: Isle 1 consists of more than 2 thunder spirits.

[Samoht]

I would be interested in seeing your proof of AG clearing Isle 1 even once (when it wasn't their day).

Note: Isle 1 consists of more than 2 thunder spirits.

It's already been admitted by more than one member that they ported up on someone else's night, started clearing, and then stopped when they were caught. The proof is right in front of you. What exactly are you looking for?

[welly321]

I would be interested in seeing your proof of AG clearing Isle 1 even once (when it wasn't their day).

Note: Isle 1 consists of more than 2 thunder spirits.

Why would anyone only kill two thunder spirits? That doesnt make sense.
You have to kill the boss to spawn sirrin and get the isle 1.5 and 2 keys

[Jimjam]

It's already been admitted by more than one member that they ported up on someone else's night, started clearing, and then stopped when they were caught. The proof is right in front of you. What exactly are you looking for?

Actually, it wasn't 'caught with their pants down', it was reappraise whether the people whose turn it was had or hadn't abandoned their slot for the night.

So here is a synopsis of what happened on 8/9th of April!

AG port up in advance for Noble.
A Thunder spirit is killed.
Upon second pull it is asked whether any other guild planned to do sky that evening (20:15 hours)
Pulls stop for query to be resolved.
Someone contacts Hydra.
Hydra starts their sky raid & officers enter discussion.
AG move pre-keyed characters to isle 1.5 to wait for ND to pop.
ND pops: AG waits for hydra to finish isle 1 and kill princess so they can hand in key pieces from the 2 mobs engaged before they realised they needed to contact hydra.
AG defeat ND.
As there were insufficient key pieces on the spirits & princess AG left up AG members volunteered platinum to key the rest of Hydra's raid.

If this one of the posts you are considering to be proof that AG has cleared isle 1 on another guilds day then you are mistaken. It is proof that on this particular day they didn't, and they actually take the time to consider if they have made an oversight and then correct it.

[Samoht]

So then it did happen, right? You admit that AG was in the process of clearing island 1. Anything else is just semantics.

[Maliant]

As I said 20 pages ago, Samoht is an uninformed troll and there is no sense engaging him or the OoA. Samoht isnt even in a guild that does sky but just wants to stir the pot by spreading libelous accusations. I can count on one hand the number of nobles we have killed in the last 6 months and almost all of those were when he was spawning during our sky night and we have never ever and never plan on killing an OoA. I think this consensus was pretty much reached by everyone who understands the spawn mechanics of sky genies except for the uninformed troll.

[Samoht]

Now that's the pot calling the kettle black.

[Jimjam]

So then it did happen, right? You admit that AG was in the process of clearing island 1. Anything else is just semantics.

I guess readers can decide whether killing two trash mobs (which AG did) is the same as wiping an entire island of trash mobs and the boss (which AG hasn't been shown to do) or not.

In my opinion you are at best being disingenuous.

You are fabricating a myth of AG repeatedly clearing isle 1 on off days.

An admission of killing two trash mobs is not proof of AG repeatedly clearing isle 1, no matter how much you might claim they are semantically the same.

[Samoht]

I guess readers can decide whether killing two trash mobs (which AG did) is the same as wiping an entire island of trash mobs and the boss (which AG hasn't been shown to do) or not.

The question that has been brought up is that why would you have bothered killing just two at all? That's a clear intent to kill the princess. If anybody is being disingenuous, it's you and the rest of the AG white knights in the thread that are trying to spin that it didn't happen. It happened. Quit denying it. It's part of the problem that influenced a lot of people to make the decision to kill OoAs. Just because Rustle has been found guilty on more than one occasion doesn't excuse AG from sharing the guilt. The smaller guilds are sending a strong message that they're not going to put up with bad behavior.

Leaving OoAs up is obviously in bad faith since it only benefits the people willing to behave poorly in order to acquire pixels.

[Jimjam]

What are you saying didn't happen? Are you saying AG didn't realise their mistake and didn't stop at two?

How on earth is
"We went to sky one evening, thought the slot was abandoned because the mobs were still up at 8:15PM, got started, decided to double check, realise our mistake and then make amends with Hydra"
white knighting?

[Fasttimes]

this whole thread and points made are dumb. hopefully samoht will keep posting tho, please do.

[Samoht]

What are you saying didn't happen? Are you saying AG didn't realise their mistake and didn't stop at two?

How on earth is
"We went to sky one evening, thought the slot was abandoned because the mobs were still up at 8:15PM, got started, decided to double check, realise our mistake and then make amends with Hydra"
white knighting?

Because of the spin.

How on earth is
"We went to sky one evening, didn't bother to check if the spot was occupied, didn't send any tells before we started, started clearing"
Not an intent to kill the princess?

I don't really care if you changed your mind after you started. For some reason, you're arguing semantics that you didn't really "clear" anything. You started clearing. You had the intent to finish clearing. You are now lumped in with the guilds that have cleared island 1 on the night designated for someone else. In the future, AG will hopefully be proactive and either buy their keys or check to see if the spot is occupied in advance, but for now, AG is a proven example of why smaller guilds are going to ignore your OoA agreement.

[Jimjam]

I suggest you're assuming a lot more planning and intention than exists on something like a Noble kill.

People know they need to get to isle 1.5 to kill noble now, so that's what they start doing (in a leaderless mass). Perhaps someone starts pulls without really considering the consequences.

Someone else steps in and points out why this can be a mistake.

With a semblance of leadership and consideration established mistakes are redeemed.

Despite what you may think AG/CSG are not a hive mind!

Also starting something is not the same as finishing things. If by 'semantics' you are saying 'the meaning of the words', then yes, maybe starting / finishing being different is the meaning of the words!

Claiming 'starting something' is equivalent to 'finishing something' is a ludicrous standard to set. Under such a principal: every time someone realises they might be making a mistake there would be no incentive to address that mistake; they may as well just continue with the mistaken action.

Agreed that we should hope AG will be proactive in the future with buying keys and checking if the island is booked, which as it happens AG has been doing since the moment that second thunder spirit was pulled and AG internally questioned what they were doing.

[Samoht]

See? You are literally arguing semantics.

I've got an example of AG clearing island 1. You want to focus in on the word "clearing" and not accept that AG did it. You cannot undo it, and no amount of wordsmithing is going to make it disappear.

But they didn't finish! When they started, they had clear intent to finish. But it was a regular member and not an officer! Regular members are still members of the guild (except for Aftermath "alts" according to AM members (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2532144&postcount=1222)) and need to consider how their actions reflect on the guild tag. But it was just that one time! It's still a valid example.

I don't care about your excuses. Just like I don't care about your OoA agreement.

[Fasttimes]

See? You are literally arguing semantics.

I've got an example of AG clearing island 1. You want to focus in on the word "clearing" and not accept that AG did it. You cannot undo it, and no amount of wordsmithing is going to make it disappear.

But they didn't finish! When they started, they had clear intent to finish. But it was a regular member and not an officer! Regular members are still members of the guild (except for Aftermath "alts" according to AM members) and need to consider how their actions reflect on the guild tag.

I don't care about your excuses. Just like I don't care about your OoA agreement.

No one does, keep clearing them, thanks.

[kotton05]

No one cares about Hello kitty adventure time sky mob arguments Sam.... except for you...
It's prolly time to move along bud...

[Jimjam]

See? You are literally arguing semantics.

I've got an example of AG clearing island 1. You want to focus in on the word "clearing" and not accept that AG did it. You cannot undo it, and no amount of wordsmithing is going to make it disappear.

But they didn't finish! When they started, they had clear intent to finish. But it was a regular member and not an officer! Regular members are still members of the guild (except for Aftermath "alts" according to AM members (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2532144&postcount=1222)) and need to consider how their actions reflect on the guild tag. But it was just that one time! It's still a valid example.

I don't care about your excuses. Just like I don't care about your OoA agreement.
'Wordsmith'! That sounds so grand!

You have an example of AG killing two thunder spirits in the space of 72 seconds whilst they realise 'oops timezones, lets get in touch with hydra and give them plat for 6 isle 2 keys'. This is the example I provided you of AG identifying and rectifying a one off mistake.

To throw it back in my face and misrepresent it as an example for 'repeatedly ninja isle 1 and don't compensate' is codswallop, and I hope people can see that for what it is.


Edit: I'd like to go back to my previous request of whether someone in the hydra alliance could post their experiences of that fateful night?

[Samoht]

To throw it back in my face and misrepresent it as an example for 'repeatedly ninja isle 1 and don't compensate' is codswallop, and I hope people can see that for what it is.

I feel like you might be misquoting me... I've never once mentioned more than one occurrence by AG. I'm pretty sure I've never brought up compensation on this topic since it's irrelevant. AG still inconvenienced a lot of people that night in the name of greedily poop-socking. Can we just agree on that?

[aaezil]

Despicable. Detoxx is as dirty as the grease trap at the New Jersey Little Caesars he used to work at.

Why these dirty scumbag guilds get tons of suspensions but never full bans is sad and beyond me.

[Jimjam]

AG still inconvenienced a lot of people that night in the name of greedily poop-socking. Can we just agree on that?

They were certainly inconvenienced if they wanted to kill those two specific fairies, we gotta agree on at least that one! I enjoy crawl events so I do feel sympathetic to people who were looking at killing all half dozen fairies. It's actually why I spoke up as soon as I realised what was happening on isle 1 as I landed (along with Rustle having recently done it to us at that time).

I feel like you might be misquoting me... I've never once mentioned more than one occurrence by AG. My mistake I thought the quote below was implying it was a regular occurrence:
do you clear fairies and wait to get caught by the guild assigned for that day as they start to port up? Clearly I missed some context or something there.


Did we ever work out who the mystery isle 1 clearers were in more recent times?

[Samoht]

Did we ever work out who the mystery isle 1 clearers were in more recent times?

Rustle. It's probably why Merkk is so anxious to get this swept under the rug.

[Jimjam]

He could always go for the "It is not (GUILD), it is simply a few players that happen to wear the (GUILD) tag" excuse. I hear that is a popular one! :D