Ogre vs Iksar

[Kelor]

I have both iksar and ogre warrior at 30 but cant decide which one to take further, before i start putting MQs and stuff on one of them.

I pretty much like the looks of them both equally, so it comes down to racials for me.

Does the regen mean much in groups? once it kicks in at 51.

How about the AC bonus? Is FSI a better option?

[kempoguy80]

One nice thing about Iksar is you will be pretty much guaranteed to get a full set of Legionnaire Scale Armor that drops in the Plane of Hate, since you'll probably be the only Iksar Warrior there. Statwise however I believe Ogre comes out ahead.

[Samoht]

Statwise however I believe Ogre comes out ahead.

Statwise, everybody is the same when they cap out at 255. Everybody except Iksar, that is, because they have an innately higher AC. And in raiding, FSI is practically meaningless for a Warrior tank because you can dump 5 mallet charges into a target at the beginning of a fight.

[Dolalin]

AC bonus is pretty meaningless too in raiding, because it's only the worst case scenario that matters in tanking, not the average hit. This is why HP is god.

Ogre gives you more stamina and more gear options, hence more flexibility. Also, being stunned is ANNOYING af.

[Lhancelot]

Ogre of course!

Hidden Values™

[Maner]

AC bonus is pretty meaningless too in raiding, because it's only the worst case scenario that matters in tanking, not the average hit. This is why HP is god.

Ogre gives you more stamina and more gear options, hence more flexibility. Also, being stunned is ANNOYING af.

ogre only gives more sta at the start, once you have gear you will be maxed in sta and str. Getting stunned being annoying also plays no role in being a tank.

[fiveeauxfour]

gnome

[Samoht]

Ogre gives you more stamina and more gear options, hence more flexibility.

No it doesn't. All Warriors will have the same stamina at 255 stamina.

[Tarskin]

Embrace the tail!

[Vianna]

Iksar is clearly the best option if you are min-maxing.

[Lhancelot]

Basically what I have learned from this thread so far is, whatever race a person plays is the right race to play.

[Swish]

iksar

[Nilstoniakrath]

Basically what I have learned from this thread so far is, whatever race a person plays is the right race to play.

Exactly. Min maxing will not make a retard a good group mate, and choosing the "wrong" race will not doom a skilled player.

[Swish]

That said, iksar is still the right answer <3

[Nilstoniakrath]

That said, iksar is still the right answer <3

Correct, if you want to be an iksar.

[Victorio]

Iksar is the best if min maxing because of the innate ac bonus, but only if you plan on getting high end gear where you aren't sacrificing AC to get your stamina capped. Plus you don't need shrink everywhere.

Ogre sucks to be fat but you get slam and you don't get annoyed by stuns.

[Victorio]

AC bonus is pretty meaningless too in raiding, because it's only the worst case scenario that matters in tanking, not the average hit. This is why HP is god.
AC isn't meaningless. Similar HP tanks fare visibly differently based on AC on many mobs.

[Dolalin]

AC isn't meaningless. Similar HP tanks fare visibly differently based on AC on many mobs.

On end game content it simply doesn't matter. High AC will lower the average damage you take, but it's not about that. It's about the worst case. Who cares that AoW hits for less than a max on the flurry 9/10 times when a cheal is landing literally every second? If you don't have the hp to survive that 1/10 times, you die, and the raid wipes. That simple.

A warrior could tank the aow naked as long as defensive was up and the chain was solid.

[Maner]

On end game content it simply doesn't matter. High AC will lower the average damage you take, but it's not about that. It's about the worst case. Who cares that AoW hits for less than a max on the flurry 9/10 times when a cheal is landing literally every second? If you don't have the hp to survive that 1/10 times, you die, and the raid wipes. That simple.

A warrior could tank the aow naked as long as defensive was up and the chain was solid.

This is wrong, AC lowers the chance of you being hit for max. Meaning more ac would make it so you get 1 max hit on that AOW flurry rather than 2 or 3. And a naked warrior would get 1 rounded even through defensive on AOW. How many times has CSG even killed AoW for you to comment?

[Caiu]

Lizards can wear dresses.

/thread

[EQsale]

On end game content it simply doesn't matter. High AC will lower the average damage you take, but it's not about that. It's about the worst case. Who cares that AoW hits for less than a max on the flurry 9/10 times when a cheal is landing literally every second? If you don't have the hp to survive that 1/10 times, you die, and the raid wipes. That simple.

A warrior could tank the aow naked as long as defensive was up and the chain was solid.

LOL this guys clearly brain dead n knows jack shit go tank aow naked there bud n tell me how long u last

[Nuggie]

. How many times has CSG even killed AoW for you to comment?

atleast once where the first tank tanked for 4 minutes.

We may not mindlessly farm the same crap every week, like some, but we have had our accomplishments.

[Maner]

atleast once where the first tank tanked for 4 minutes.

We may not mindlessly farm the same crap every week, like some, but we have had our accomplishments.

So once yet one of your raid members claims a naked tank can do it with disc... lmfao

[Lhancelot]

A warrior could tank the aow naked as long as defensive was up and the chain was solid.

This solves the dilemma right here.

Ogres are the winner. Ogres are much larger, girthier in nature and we all know that girth is much more important than any other deciding factor when we judging nakedness.

OP, your answer has been given.

Ogre is the clear cut winner.

[Skinned]

I play Iksar everything and made a troll warrior....I like the look and free slam is fun!

Play the race that is your spirit animal.

[gkmarino]

Playing stoooopid races are fun cause you can always roleplay dumb to fit any occasion. Occasionally breaking tension in bad situations or just creating fun.. and the slam stun is nice until all races get that ability in their 50+ levels.

I made a Troll because I hate Ogre Plate in Classic and Velious

[aaezil]

You can raid and group on p1999 succesfully with any warrior race. Although i would advise against xp penalties unless you hate your real life. Have fun!

[Sonark]

Bit of an exaggeration when people say Iksar can't wear plate.

Velious changed that whole situation rather nicely, actually.

They don't have access to all the Velious stuff, but they can wear all the good Velious stuff

[Lhancelot]

Ogre

FSI: constant damage, can facetank 100 mobs never getting stunned, and the biggest advantage of all - Hidden Values™

added bonus: can use cobalt clickies

Clearly the master race is the biggest race when it comes to being a warrior. All the inferior races will have you to believe they do it just as good. They don't.

P.S. We all been in that group where some scrawny, tiny warrior becomes the tank of the group. We all cringe and worry about their tankiness. They leave, and are replaced by a towering, massive OGRE WAR, and instant relief washes over the group. Everyone knows that ogres are superior, no one wants to admit it.

***What are Hidden Values™?

These are hidden stats that do not show up on your character stat page.


Ogres have higher AC than listed

Ogres hit harder and more often than would be suggested by their stat page

Ogres have innate survival abilities that kick in letting them live on longer when they should have long died in a tough battle


PRO TIP: Ogres have all these hidden values that are not noted by the devs or the stat sheet. To make them appear more balanced, the devs only mention the OGRE FSI as their racial, but many other racial advantages exist for the OGRE.

[Ravager]

So once yet one of your raid members claims a naked tank can do it with disc... lmfao
Maner is so smart and cool.

[Troxx]

Ogre

FSI: constant damage, can facetank 100 mobs never getting stunned, and the biggest advantage of all - Hidden Values™

added bonus: can use cobalt clickies

Clearly the master race is the biggest race when it comes to being a warrior. All the inferior races will have you to believe they do it just as good. They don't.

P.S. We all been in that group where some scrawny, tiny warrior becomes the tank of the group. We all cringe and worry about their tankiness. They leave, and are replaced by a towering, massive OGRE WAR, and instant relief washes over the group. Everyone knows that ogres are superior, no one wants to admit it.

***What are Hidden Values™?

These are hidden stats that do not show up on your character stat page.


Ogres have higher AC than listed

Ogres hit harder and more often than would be suggested by their stat page

Ogres have innate survival abilities that kick in letting them live on longer when they should have long died in a tough battle


PRO TIP: Ogres have all these hidden values that are not noted by the devs or the stat sheet. To make them appear more balanced, the devs only mention the OGRE FSI as their racial, but many other racial advantages exist for the OGRE.

Derp

Hidden derp,, derp

Teh derp!!!

[beta]

On end game content it simply doesn't matter. High AC will lower the average damage you take, but it's not about that. It's about the worst case. Who cares that AoW hits for less than a max on the flurry 9/10 times when a cheal is landing literally every second? If you don't have the hp to survive that 1/10 times, you die, and the raid wipes. That simple.

A warrior could tank the aow naked as long as defensive was up and the chain was solid.

oh man what a good laugh

[aaezil]

Why is this downsy posting false info lol

[Lhancelot]

Derp

Hidden derp,, derp

Teh derp!!!

Profound and thought provoking! Interesting perspective! Please share more of your insight with us forumquesters; we thirst for the knowledge you hold captive within that genius mind of yours!

***Clearly a non-ogre here, showing his resentment that his class/race choices are inferior to the ogre.

[Rader]

Y'all bunch of fools...

the obvious choice is GNOME

[Lowako]

does the super minor min max matter? its everquest in 2017. you could make a gnome warrior, dump all your starting stats into wisdom, then roleplay as a Norrathian with a defunct brain and end up tanking AoW as long as you were fully buffed and had solid gear.

[Troxx]

does the super minor min max matter? its everquest in 2017. you could make a gnome warrior, dump all your starting stats into wisdom, then roleplay as a Norrathian with a defunct brain and end up tanking AoW as long as you were fully buffed and had solid gear.

^ this

The only thing that matters in the end is fashionquest and liking the way your character looks.

[86753o9]

Well ogre is an actual word and iksar is just gibberish, so yeah ogre bestest.

[Samoht]

gibberish


bestest

Nice.

[trite]

Do you like regen or frontal stun immunity better? That sounds like the real decision. Any race warrior (except dark elf!) will be useful to a raid if decently geared.