Shralok Pack should now be LORE

[Rygar]

According to February 21, 2001 patch notes the Shralok Pack should now be LORE. I see a lot of tunnel people advertising 'Never Lore' but it would seem that is incorrect. Home screen patch notes of p99 mention [Feb 2001] updates to the timeline, so would seem this would be appropriate.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2001-1.html

--- The Shralok Pack is now LORE. It was set to pending-lore some time
ago.

[Dhalsim]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118617&highlight=shralok


https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124183 (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124183)

[Gumbo]

I don't believe Shralok Pack will ever be "lore" because it would screw up so many accounts and bank accounts for people who use and store with them.

[Rygar]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118617&highlight=shralok


https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124183 (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124183)

I clicked on those links, the evidence Ele linked to was not patch notes. In referencing the Allakhazam patch notes from that era there is no mention of the Shralok Pack 'never going lore':
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2002-2.html

I daresay this was an oversight, it would appear the evidence points to it being switched to Lore during the February 2001 time period which server has now entered.

Nilbog...?

[Rygar]

I don't believe Shralok Pack will ever be "lore" because it would screw up so many accounts and bank accounts for people who use and store with them.

If I could make a suggestion to implement this...

Stage 1:
The first detected 'Shralok Pack' in the player's inventory would be changed to LORE, all other packs detected be changed to 'A Shralok Pack' and be made NO DROP.

Stage 2:
Devs issue a decree that 'On May 15th, 2016 all 'A Shralok Pack' items will be made 'NO RENT' items. Any lost items will not be reimbursed. You have been warned'.

I figure it is easier to make it NO RENT than to delete from each player's corpse / bank / inventory. Maybe this is an easier way to implement things. People can corpse bags if they afraid on their mules or may be out of town, but does no one any good to continually corpse these bags, they would just phase out.

[Doctor Jeff]

This change never actually happened on live.

[Rygar]

This change never actually happened on live.

I could very well be wrong, but why is it stayed in the patch notes I linked? Allakhazams seems like a trustworthy site for those notes.

[Doctor Jeff]

I could very well be wrong, but why is it stayed in the patch notes I linked? Allakhazams seems like a trustworthy site for those notes.

It's in the alla notes because they are a copy paste of the original patch notes.

Here's the notes for the 2002 patch where this bug is addressed.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20021119.html (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20021119.html)


Removed the "Pending Lore" tag from the Shralok Pack. There is no current plan to make this into a lore item.

[Rygar]

It's in the alla notes because they are a copy paste of the original patch notes.

Here's the notes for the 2002 patch where this bug is addressed.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20021119.html (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20021119.html)

I did not see those notes on the allakhazam page, I could give them another look. But what is that website you are linking? Does not seem a credible source.

I get that perhaps they patched a message that it was made lore, but perhaps it didn't work and maybe stayed pending lore until they gave up on implementing a fix, would have to dig into some message boards about it.

At the very least the allakhazam note should be addressed and not taking another link from a non-EQ site as gospel.

Again, could be wrong, but should list a better link as evidence. I will try and get further confirmation as I was going strictly off the patch note I saw.

[Doctor Jeff]

Baldio is an in era blog that has been used for 6 years as a P99 resource.

[Rygar]

Also, wouldnt a copy and paste of the original patch note be reliable? Wasnt understanding that part of your argument.

[Doctor Jeff]

Also, wouldnt a copy and paste of the original patch note be reliable? Wasnt understanding that part of your argument.

Daybreak didn't keep any of that. Also there's no argument. Patch notes suggest that this fix was abandoned after no players used the pending lore period to prepare for the change.

[Rygar]

But the patch note said it had now been changed, not that it it's going to change?

Are you trying to say this message was patched in on live but truly never took place? Not sure about the daybreak connection and all that drama, you mention them not keeping it.

[fash]

But the patch note said it had now been changed, not that it it's going to change?

Are you trying to say this message was patched in on live but truly never took place? Not sure about the daybreak connection and all that drama, you mention them not keeping it.

It was never patched to be lore, in spite of the patch notes. You can see evidence of this on the allakhazam page for the shralok pack.

[Rygar]

It was never patched to be lore, in spite of the patch notes. You can see evidence of this on the allakhazam page for the shralok pack.

I believe it really was. I was going over that tski.co site, apparently in the sticky a developer Karnas references it for patch notes. So assuming they are true patch notes from era (or at the very least what the devs consider to be accurate), here is the patch I originally mention:
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010221a.html

The Shralok Pack is now LORE. It was set to pending-lore some time ago.

Using the same date (assuming these dates may be around that time it went in, else it is from later that day), the very next entry of a patch states this:
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010221b.html

It's apparent that some EQ players, primarily those who started playing after the introduction of the LORE tag, did not know what the "Pending Lore" tag meant. "Pending Lore" means that in the future, an item WILL become LORE, making it so the character can possess only one. When this change occurs, the server deletes additional items upon login.

The Shralok Pack is one of those items. However, due to the number of people unaware of the meaning of the tag, we've changing it back to "Pending Lore". Players who had the item disappear from their characters can contact a GM to have their characters restored to the time of the last backup.

Going forward, we will work to distribute additional notification when making a change of this type. To that end, the Shralok Pack will become a LORE item in the very near future, and players should take steps to remove all items and get rid of additional packs. It should be noted that there is no guarantee as to which pack(s) will be deleted when the server reduces the total number owned to one, so you will want to destroy any superfluous packs manually.

So it would seem that it truly was patched in, but it caused a giant fuss, and GMs were directed to reimburse items lost and the item was reverted to Pending Lore.

So I concede that it should indeed stay as 'Pending Lore' but the original information provided to Nilbog was inaccurate. It would seem this did get switched at some point in the timeline, it should have been at his discretion if he wanted to do this and if he wanted to revert it to Pending Lore.

The original reasoning for switching it back to Pending Lore was because people were ignorant of what it meant. Up to him if he wanted to educate people and institute this change or let it slip by the wayside and not deal with the headaches.

I'll stop bumping this thread, maybe he wants to take action about it for custom content / future classic timelines.

[Caiu]

Yeah they aren't going to do a huge amount of work just to create a CSR nightmare. From the patch notes it was hot fixed probably in less than a few hours due to the uproar. Move to resolved this was very silly.

[Maner]

have you tried logging onto live to see if the current packs are lore or not?

[Caiu]

They are neither lore or pending lore on live currently. Pending lore tag was patched out shortly after PoP launched.