rule clarity

[KEWLGET]

To encourage more actual PvP combat and less just griefing each other, and due to the previous standard of a couple players interfering with a raid target while having no actual raid or PvP force present in game to contest or kill, we have added this rule:

"A player that interferes with a raid target with no raid force present to kill or contest the target is against the rules and will be addressed swiftly."

does this include attacking players? or just touching the raid mob? can 1 person zone in and start bashing clerics or dispelling the tank, despite not having a raid force present?

and what does a raid force present mean? a raid force in the zone? a raid force in an adjacent zone? a raid force logged out ready to log in?

and what constitutes as a raid force to contest or kill the mob? how many players are required for this? i've provided a list of raid mobs below, if a GM would assign a number of required players to contest each mob, that would be greatly appreciated so people don't get suspended for not understanding the vague wording on this rule

Noble Dojorn
a dracoliche
Dread
Fright
Terror
Cazic Thule
Innoruuk
Master Yael
Phinigel Autropos
Lord Nagafen
Lady Vox
Lhranc
Ixiblat Fer
Zordakalicus Ragefire
General V`Ghera
Xenevorash
Queen Velazul Di`Zok
Overking Bathezid
Trakanon
Venril Sathir
Gorenaire
Talendor
Severilous
Faydedar
Silverwing
Hoshkar
Nexona
Druushk
Xygoz
Phara Dar
Derakor the Vindicator
The Statue of Rallos Zek
The Avatar of War
King Tormax
Dain Frostreaver IV
Lord Yelinak
Wuoshi
Kelorek`Dar
Velketor the Sorcerer
Zlandicar
Klandicar
Sontalak
Ring 10 War
Telkorenar
Gozzrem
Lendiniara the Keeper
Dozekar the Cursed
Ikatiar the Venom
Eashen of the Sky
Aaryonar
Lord Feshlak
Dagarn the Destroyer
Lord Kreizenn
Lord Vyemm
Lord Koi`Doken
Lady Mirenilla
Lady Nevederia
Jorlleag
Cekenar
Sevalak
Zlexak
Vulak`Aerr
Master of the Guard
The Progenitor
The Final Arbiter
Tukaarak the Warder
Hraashna the Warder
Nanzata the Warder
Ventani the Warder

if i missed anything, let me know and i'll amend this list

thanks!

[Tomm Selleck]

http://i.imgur.com/Z9JGdpP.jpg

[Bhubbles]

wow...

[Nyrod]

10/10 would read again

make sure you dont bring less than 18 to fight us on Gorenaire cuz YOUR ASS GUNNA GET SPENDED

[funnland]

does this include attacking players? or just touching the raid mob? can 1 person zone in and start bashing clerics or dispelling the tank, despite not having a raid force present?




and what constitutes as a raid force to contest or kill the mob? how many players are required for this?


Cylock, can you please clarify this. It will save you from needless petitions and headache in the future.

[Nyrod]

its simple

"with no raid force present to kill"

time to raid uncontested unless someone can bring 35+ to kill the target (minimum for all velious raid mobs except the shitters like ikiatar/vindi and maybe dain - no one cares about the rest)

where do i app ragnarok?

[KEWLGET]

well it might be 35+ if you're not good at the game

[Nyrod]

lol, what side are you on dude?

tell me when anyone but Apex has done shit with the minimum on this box? 35 is fucking palms sweating cutting yourself IRL unless you have the perfect composition. didnt say it was impossible, its just stupid to attempt anything with less than 35. we did Vulak with 39, not sure if thats good? lol

Ragnarok had 70+ on their first successful raid, Empire did shit with 90 and up??

[KEWLGET]

well it might be 35+ if you're not good at the game

[Beastagoog]

does this include attacking players? or just touching the raid mob? can 1 person zone in and start bashing clerics or dispelling the tank, despite not having a raid force present?

and what does a raid force present mean? a raid force in the zone? a raid force in an adjacent zone? a raid force logged out ready to log in?

and what constitutes as a raid force to contest or kill the mob? how many players are required for this? i've provided a list of raid mobs below, if a GM would assign a number of required players to contest each mob, that would be greatly appreciated so people don't get suspended for not understanding the vague wording on this rule

Noble Dojorn
a dracoliche
Dread
Fright
Terror
Cazic Thule
Innoruuk
Master Yael
Phinigel Autropos
Lord Nagafen
Lady Vox
Lhranc
Ixiblat Fer
Zordakalicus Ragefire
General V`Ghera
Xenevorash
Queen Velazul Di`Zok
Overking Bathezid
Trakanon
Venril Sathir
Gorenaire
Talendor
Severilous
Faydedar
Silverwing
Hoshkar
Nexona
Druushk
Xygoz
Phara Dar
Derakor the Vindicator
The Statue of Rallos Zek
The Avatar of War
King Tormax
Dain Frostreaver IV
Lord Yelinak
Wuoshi
Kelorek`Dar
Velketor the Sorcerer
Zlandicar
Klandicar
Sontalak
Ring 10 War
Telkorenar
Gozzrem
Lendiniara the Keeper
Dozekar the Cursed
Ikatiar the Venom
Eashen of the Sky
Aaryonar
Lord Feshlak
Dagarn the Destroyer
Lord Kreizenn
Lord Vyemm
Lord Koi`Doken
Lady Mirenilla
Lady Nevederia
Jorlleag
Cekenar
Sevalak
Zlexak
Vulak`Aerr
Master of the Guard
The Progenitor
The Final Arbiter
Tukaarak the Warder
Hraashna the Warder
Nanzata the Warder
Ventani the Warder

if i missed anything, let me know and i'll amend this list

thanks!

u forgot a the deadly unbeaten raid boss of the server called: 'Vagina'.

[hatelore]

wow...

[Videri]

u forgot a the deadly unbeaten raid boss of the server called: 'Vagina'.

NOT CLASSIC

[heartbrand]

You forgot Tunare

[KEWLGET]

Noble Dojorn
a dracoliche
Dread
Fright
Terror
Cazic Thule
Innoruuk
Master Yael
Phinigel Autropos
Lord Nagafen
Lady Vox
Lhranc
Ixiblat Fer
Zordakalicus Ragefire
General V`Ghera
Xenevorash
Queen Velazul Di`Zok
Overking Bathezid
Trakanon
Venril Sathir
Gorenaire
Talendor
Severilous
Faydedar
Silverwing
Hoshkar
Nexona
Druushk
Xygoz
Phara Dar
Derakor the Vindicator
The Statue of Rallos Zek
The Avatar of War
King Tormax
Dain Frostreaver IV
Lord Yelinak
Wuoshi
Kelorek`Dar
Velketor the Sorcerer
Zlandicar
Klandicar
Sontalak
Ring 10 War
Tunare
Telkorenar
Gozzrem
Lendiniara the Keeper
Dozekar the Cursed
Ikatiar the Venom
Eashen of the Sky
Aaryonar
Lord Feshlak
Dagarn the Destroyer
Lord Kreizenn
Lord Vyemm
Lord Koi`Doken
Lady Mirenilla
Lady Nevederia
Jorlleag
Cekenar
Sevalak
Zlexak
Vulak`Aerr
Master of the Guard
The Progenitor
The Final Arbiter
Tukaarak the Warder
Hraashna the Warder
Nanzata the Warder
Ventani the Warder

added, thank you heartbrand

GMs, please use this list when determining the number of raiders required to contest these mobs via PvP

[Smedy]

no worries, cylock is compiling this list as we speak

[heartbrand]

If you're going to put Phinigel you may want to consider adding Maestro of Rancor and the cdok Prince

[KEWLGET]

Noble Dojorn
a dracoliche
Dread
Fright
Terror
Cazic Thule
Maestro of Rancor
Innoruuk
Master Yael
Phinigel Autropos
Lord Nagafen
Lady Vox
Lhranc
Ixiblat Fer
Zordakalicus Ragefire
General V`Ghera
Xenevorash
Prince Selrach Di`Zok
Queen Velazul Di`Zok
Overking Bathezid
Trakanon
Venril Sathir
Gorenaire
Talendor
Severilous
Faydedar
Silverwing
Hoshkar
Nexona
Druushk
Xygoz
Phara Dar
Derakor the Vindicator
The Statue of Rallos Zek
The Avatar of War
King Tormax
Dain Frostreaver IV
Lord Yelinak
Wuoshi
Kelorek`Dar
Velketor the Sorcerer
Zlandicar
Klandicar
Sontalak
Ring 10 War
Telkorenar
Gozzrem
Lendiniara the Keeper
Dozekar the Cursed
Ikatiar the Venom
Eashen of the Sky
Aaryonar
Lord Feshlak
Dagarn the Destroyer
Lord Kreizenn
Lord Vyemm
Lord Koi`Doken
Lady Mirenilla
Lady Nevederia
Jorlleag
Cekenar
Sevalak
Zlexak
Vulak`Aerr
Master of the Guard
The Progenitor
The Final Arbiter
Tukaarak the Warder
Hraashna the Warder
Nanzata the Warder
Ventani the Warder

updated

[heartbrand]

While not a popular zone, Plane of Sky is still a raid zone and therefore we will need to include the bosses there as well

[KEWLGET]

should we consider every island? perhaps only the later ones from keeper of souls onward?

[heartbrand]

I agree with that thinking. KoS and up. Don't forget the Hand of Veeshan and OOA

[KEWLGET]

Noble Dojorn
Overseer of Air
Hand of Veeshan
Keeper of Souls
The Spiroc Lord
Bazzt Zzzt
Sister of the Spire
Eye of Veeshan
a dracoliche
Dread
Fright
Terror
Cazic Thule
Maestro of Rancor
Innoruuk
Master Yael
Phinigel Autropos
Lord Nagafen
Lady Vox
Lhranc
Ixiblat Fer
Zordakalicus Ragefire
General V`Ghera
Xenevorash
Prince Selrach Di`Zok
Queen Velazul Di`Zok
Overking Bathezid
Trakanon
Venril Sathir
Gorenaire
Talendor
Severilous
Faydedar
Silverwing
Hoshkar
Nexona
Druushk
Xygoz
Phara Dar
Derakor the Vindicator
The Statue of Rallos Zek
The Avatar of War
King Tormax
Dain Frostreaver IV
Lord Yelinak
Wuoshi
Kelorek`Dar
Velketor the Sorcerer
Zlandicar
Klandicar
Sontalak
Ring 10 War
Tunare
Telkorenar
Gozzrem
Lendiniara the Keeper
Dozekar the Cursed
Ikatiar the Venom
Eashen of the Sky
Aaryonar
Lord Feshlak
Dagarn the Destroyer
Lord Kreizenn
Lord Vyemm
Lord Koi`Doken
Lady Mirenilla
Lady Nevederia
Jorlleag
Cekenar
Sevalak
Zlexak
Vulak`Aerr
Master of the Guard
The Progenitor
The Final Arbiter
Tukaarak the Warder
Hraashna the Warder
Nanzata the Warder
Ventani the Warder

[heartbrand]

Thoughts on Garzicor's Wraith?

[KEWLGET]

oh yeah definitely a raid mob, akin to epic quest bosses:

Noble Dojorn
Overseer of Air
Hand of Veeshan
Keeper of Souls
The Spiroc Lord
Bazzt Zzzt
Sister of the Spire
Eye of Veeshan
a dracoliche
Dread
Fright
Terror
Cazic Thule
Maestro of Rancor
Innoruuk
Master Yael
Phinigel Autropos
Lord Nagafen
Lady Vox
Lhranc
Ixiblat Fer
Zordakalicus Ragefire
General V`Ghera
Xenevorash
Prince Selrach Di`Zok
Queen Velazul Di`Zok
Overking Bathezid
Trakanon
Venril Sathir
Gorenaire
Talendor
Severilous
Faydedar
Silverwing
Hoshkar
Nexona
Druushk
Xygoz
Phara Dar
Derakor the Vindicator
The Statue of Rallos Zek
The Avatar of War
King Tormax
Dain Frostreaver IV
Lord Yelinak
Wuoshi
Kelorek`Dar
Velketor the Sorcerer
Garzicor's Wraith
Zlandicar
Klandicar
Sontalak
Ring 10 War
Tunare
Telkorenar
Gozzrem
Lendiniara the Keeper
Dozekar the Cursed
Ikatiar the Venom
Eashen of the Sky
Aaryonar
Lord Feshlak
Dagarn the Destroyer
Lord Kreizenn
Lord Vyemm
Lord Koi`Doken
Lady Mirenilla
Lady Nevederia
Jorlleag
Cekenar
Sevalak
Zlexak
Vulak`Aerr
Master of the Guard
The Progenitor
The Final Arbiter
Tukaarak the Warder
Hraashna the Warder
Nanzata the Warder
Ventani the Warder

[Gustoo]

This seems silly but is a legit concern also does minimum force requirement only apply when raid boss is engaged or just when raid is collectively gathered for their task? Can one guy or a group of guys go in and start raising heck while they are clearing a dungeon?

[Palemoon]

Good Good, hold them to enforcing play nice. Drown them in red tape and cramp their hands as they have to write pages and pages of more rules to clarify the previous rules. Wonder how long it will take to get entire guilds disbanded and swaths of people banned again (like holocaust and Nilly). All in the name of cumbersome anti-sandbox rules NO one wanted except certain people with evil agendas that are no longer here.


Then maybe one day we can return to the golden age of day 1 server rules we use to have.

-No pvp rules except no training or exploiting.

-In GAME and hands-off system that mitigate player zone disruption like:

-no pvp level limits in high end zones and raid zones.
-xp loss on pvp death
-increased pvp level range at the higher levels.

i.e. all things we had day 1 of the server.

[Palemoon]

This seems silly but is a legit concern also does minimum force requirement only apply when raid boss is engaged or just when raid is collectively gathered for their task? Can one guy or a group of guys go in and start raising heck while they are clearing a dungeon?


One guy or group of guys SHOULD be able to do whatever they want vs. a raid force (or anyone).

The problem is there is no price to pay for just throwing your warm body over and over again at a raid force.

This is why we need xp loss on pvp death BACK.

added side effect: people will be out in the world again xping for pvp xp buffer. More life in the world, more pvp at xp spots, etc. Reason to log in other than once a week at raid time. To xp or distrupt the oppositions xp.

[Retticus]

Good Good, hold them to enforcing play nice. Drown them in red tape and cramp their hands as they have to write pages and pages of more rules to clarify the previous rules. Wonder how long it will take to get entire guilds disbanded and swaths of people banned again (like holocaust and Nilly). All in the name of cumbersome anti-sandbox rules NO one wanted except certain people with evil agendas that are no longer here.


Then maybe one day we can return to the golden age of day 1 server rules we use to have.

-No pvp rules except no training or exploiting.

-In GAME and hands-off system that mitigate player zone disruption like:

-no pvp level limits in high end zones and raid zones.
-xp loss on pvp death
-increased pvp level range at the higher levels.

i.e. all things we had day 1 of the server.

I'm cool with this. Too many Band-Aids and half assed changes made to server, both code remedies and stupid rule implementations. Please undo all.

Thank you Arzak

[Pseudechis]

Yeh just make everyone in range in raid zones

[Retticus]

@cylock @sirken make raid zones FFA like they used to be and this takes the headache away from both staff and players.

Better than having to suspend/reducing pop/micro managing.

[Nirgon]

That's not a change a GM can make tho

Kael being FFA would suck

[heartbrand]

Kael being FFA on a populated server would suck, but no so much on R99. There are no low to mid 50's groups grinding away in Kael.

[dis_mornin]

Kael being FFA on a populated server would suck, but no so much on R99. There are no low to mid 50's groups grinding away in Kael.

Kael should not change level restrictions. People should play better. See sig.

[bestovv]

roasted

[Nirgon]

Kael should not change level restrictions. People should play better.

You mean don't change the server rules just because some guild decides they should be changed? God ur a smartie.

[Nyrod]

you guys are thick, only reason rules got changed was because a GM decided they needed to be *see suspending people then updating rules, then needing to unsuspend them later when logic was suggested (update rules first DERP)*

oh, clearly guild A has been trying to get them changed forEVER and magically now that guild B is back they finally get changed....common denominator here is GM presence and getting in the middle of mass pvp

also, pretty sure guild B's supreme leader had a hefty essay of rule changes he wanted implemented lol

#cringeworthy

[Cylock]

diggin the Avatar Nirgon

[debuilder]

does this include attacking players? or just touching the raid mob? can 1 person zone in and start bashing clerics or dispelling the tank, despite not having a raid force present?

and what does a raid force present mean? a raid force in the zone? a raid force in an adjacent zone? a raid force logged out ready to log in?

and what constitutes as a raid force to contest or kill the mob? how many players are required for this? i've provided a list of raid mobs below, if a GM would assign a number of required players to contest each mob, that would be greatly appreciated so people don't get suspended for not understanding the vague wording on this rule

Noble Dojorn
a dracoliche
Dread
Fright
Terror
Cazic Thule
Innoruuk
Master Yael
Phinigel Autropos
Lord Nagafen
Lady Vox
Lhranc
Ixiblat Fer
Zordakalicus Ragefire
General V`Ghera
Xenevorash
Queen Velazul Di`Zok
Overking Bathezid
Trakanon
Venril Sathir
Gorenaire
Talendor
Severilous
Faydedar
Silverwing
Hoshkar
Nexona
Druushk
Xygoz
Phara Dar
Derakor the Vindicator
The Statue of Rallos Zek
The Avatar of War
King Tormax
Dain Frostreaver IV
Lord Yelinak
Wuoshi
Kelorek`Dar
Velketor the Sorcerer
Zlandicar
Klandicar
Sontalak
Ring 10 War
Telkorenar
Gozzrem
Lendiniara the Keeper
Dozekar the Cursed
Ikatiar the Venom
Eashen of the Sky
Aaryonar
Lord Feshlak
Dagarn the Destroyer
Lord Kreizenn
Lord Vyemm
Lord Koi`Doken
Lady Mirenilla
Lady Nevederia
Jorlleag
Cekenar
Sevalak
Zlexak
Vulak`Aerr
Master of the Guard
The Progenitor
The Final Arbiter
Tukaarak the Warder
Hraashna the Warder
Nanzata the Warder
Ventani the Warder

if i missed anything, let me know and i'll amend this list

thanks!

a lot of these mobs can be duo'd or trio'd

[Jeni]

you guys are thick, only reason rules got changed was because a GM decided they needed to be *see suspending people then updating rules, then needing to unsuspend them later when logic was suggested (update rules first DERP)*

oh, clearly guild A has been trying to get them changed forEVER and magically now that guild B is back they finally get changed....common denominator here is GM presence and getting in the middle of mass pvp

also, pretty sure guild B's supreme leader had a hefty essay of rule changes he wanted implemented lol

#cringeworthy

The first guild to benefit from the blue rule you wanted to create was your guild. I have no idea how anyone can be so delusional to think haha we got those in range dispellers suspended. Let's go do that exact thing now except also use out of range characters and trainers. Wtf gms suspended us also how is this even fair it must be gongshows connections!!!1

[MerkelMacron]

a lot of these mobs can be duo'd or trio'd

which one? You wanna say you can trio Draco? if so let us know which and what classes+build are needed. Thanks.

[uvakur]

The first guild to benefit from the blue rule you wanted to create was your guild. I have no idea how anyone can be so delusional to think haha we got those in range dispellers suspended. Let's go do that exact thing now except also use out of range characters and trainers. Wtf gms suspended us also how is this even fair it must be gongshows connections!!!1

which rule did i want? which rule is blue?

only new rule is one that says you can dispell with 12 people? this doesnt change the fact you can zone in with 1 person and still bash clerics or dispell the MT or w/e

im talking about Quil being suspended when the rest of us in range werent. any OOR that got suspended were retarded and i dont have any sympathy. im for consistency here, no suspensions until rule was changed or all of those involved should have been suspended. moot argument because this has been resolved.

anyone defending stasis (guy admitted to doing all that shit in the middle of doing it) is retarded, i dont even know who has but i sure havent.

not sure how the rules changed to our advantage? only thing you cant do is load in a few blokes to dispel the few slowable raid targets that actually matter (statue/dozekar/vulak).

i was expecting you guys to neckbeard and take all content from us but you have only fielded numbers mon-wed 9pm-12 EST (which im truly impressed by). we are a PST guild so your midnight is 9pm for us, only know like 2 things we have killed past our midnight (your 3am) but even then we have only fielded around 20-25 people (the usual sickos)

again, the rules were changed BY A GM after GM's got involved and a GM handed out suspensions, no idea who was behind the lawyerquesting/petitionquesting (im too lazy) but ultimately it was a GM who did these things.

[debuilder]

which one? You wanna say you can trio Draco? if so let us know which and what classes+build are needed. Thanks.

Noble Dojorn
Terror
Innoruuk
Master Yael
Phinigel Autropos
Lord Nagafen
Lady Vox
Lhranc
Ixiblat Fer
Zordakalicus Ragefire
General V`Ghera
Xenevorash
Queen Velazul Di`Zok
Overking Bathezid
Talendor
Faydedar

[KEWLGET]

a lot of these mobs can be duo'd or trio'd

then 1 player should not be allowed for those mobs, but determining how many would future proof the policy in the rare event of a wipe or new server

[KEWLGET]

Noble Dojorn
Terror
Innoruuk
Master Yael
Phinigel Autropos
Lord Nagafen
Lady Vox
Lhranc
Ixiblat Fer
Zordakalicus Ragefire
General V`Ghera
Xenevorash
Queen Velazul Di`Zok
Overking Bathezid
Talendor
Faydedar

i would be interested in knowing your strategy to duo or trio master yael, seeing as he deathtouches

[Retticus]

If the mobs are duo/trio-able you must have tank+shaman classes in your attack group

[dis_mornin]

What if group is majority aimchat? Does that reduce what is determined to be a "raid force" for said mob?