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Vianna
03-31-2017, 02:35 AM
Please Don't Hate the Messenger. Ok this took some researching but the 8 hour respawn of Minis in Hate never felt right here.



On the Bestiary page for Magi P'Tasa talking about the spawn timers in 2001. 8 or 9 days before the release of Luclin.


November 26th 2001

Magi, like all mini bosses, is a semi-rare spawn with a placeholder on a 72 hour timer + or - 12 hours (60-84 hour spawn). He spawns in 10 different spots:

2 in rev house
2 on top floor in maestro's house
2 with ashenbone drakes on first floor
2 in inny's old lair
2 on second floor of second floor church.

On the Bestiary Page for Quillmane when discussing the Mage Epic in Feb of 2002

I actually spent the time to read through all the posts. Both sides make some very valid points. I especially like the post questioning whether I would loot 'Pete' for the Flowing Thought proc :p (btw... to answer that one.... I wouldnt camp it unles no one was there who needed it and I would give up camp for someone who did... same thing for looting it)
PS I think a more accurate annalogy might be a proc of enduring breath... clarity is way out of the league of levitation imho
PSS.. to MQ this for mage epic the person in possesion of it would also need to be at least lvl 46... the quest mob to turn it in to is in the plane of sky

I'm not going to sit here and flame this person or that person for how they feel. I agree with another poster who said that they pay to play the game and they can do what they want.

I will say this though, my epic is hard... I mean HARD... earth staff from Hate drops off of P'tasa who is on a 72 hour spawn, water staff from Phinny on a 12 hour spawn (and it doesnt drop every time... killed Phinny 4 times so far and no staff... P'tasa once and no staff), torch of elements from Neh' Ashiir in CoM, and crown of elemental mastery drops from greater spynx.. epic guide says seventh island of sky but PoS guide says that Mob is on eighth island... I couldnt tell you personally because I never made it past the second :)~

These are just a few MoBs off the top of my head. But thats all ok... epics are supposed to be hard...

am I happy that a lvl 36 rager killed Quillmane because he saw it on track... no... but thats his right

will I ever get my epic... probably not... but I'll still try

in the mean time, in my travles I'll continue to try and help as many people as I can with what ever it is they need... maybe I'll start a new trend... might even come back to bless me later... I can dream, cant I? :)~

Zam page for Encyclopedia Necrotheurgia comment from April, 2001

This nice item comes from an Ashenbone Brood Master. The Brood Master is 55 or 56. It conned yellow to me ( 54 ). The Ashenbone Brood Master is on a 72 Hour spawn time ( 3 Days ). This is a very rare drop, just like when it use to drop off of Inny. This is how it is so flame all you want ;).

54 Heretic
Ellizabeth Bloodbath
Ayonae Ro

Monkly Business Post talking about the Minis in June 2001 and saying they were a 4 day spawn which would probably account for variance on them.

http://www.monkly-business.net/forums/showthread.php?8940-Minibosses-in-Hate

Spawn time on these Demi's is right at 4 days. Also, it isn't the mobs that have the spawn time, its the spawn location. What seems to happen is this: When its time for a loc to spawn, any mini boss that isn't up has a chance of spawning. I saw 3 Broodmasters and 3 High priests spawn in the same day this week. So if you are waiting for repops and trying for a particular miniboss, do not kill the others as they spawn, but killing the one you want early will give it a chance to spawn again.



Feel free to discuss or dispute.

Spit
03-31-2017, 08:48 AM
http://eqdiary.tripod.com/quests/hate.htm

"- Big ugly mofo. 7 day respawn, while everything else on the plane is between six and 12 hours. He has around 150,000 HP, rampages and enrages a lot. Dual hits for 400 damage max, bashes for 250, uses Gravity Flux and AE dispel. Because the gravity flux can literally throw you across the zone, you want to fight him inside a building near his spawn point (marked 'E' on the map), and keep the tanks huddled in a corner. SHUT OFF BARD SONGS! That's how we agroed him once."

Lojik
03-31-2017, 10:06 AM
http://eqdiary.tripod.com/quests/hate.htm

"- Big ugly mofo. 7 day respawn, while everything else on the plane is between six and 12 hours. He has around 150,000 HP, rampages and enrages a lot. Dual hits for 400 damage max, bashes for 250, uses Gravity Flux and AE dispel. Because the gravity flux can literally throw you across the zone, you want to fight him inside a building near his spawn point (marked 'E' on the map), and keep the tanks huddled in a corner. SHUT OFF BARD SONGS! That's how we agroed him once."

That looks like it's from before the revamp as no mini bosses are listed.

Doctor Jeff
03-31-2017, 10:07 AM
That looks like it's from before the revamp as no mini bosses are listed.

Looks like you never clicked the link...


All the minibosses are listed there.

NAMED MINI BOSS MOBS LEVEL DROPS
Ashenbone Broodmaster 56 Encyclopedia Necrotheurgia
Mastrer of Spite 56 Tunarian Scimitar, Gardash, Rune Etched Boots, Rune Etched Bracer, Rune Etched Chestplate, Rune Etched Gauntlets, Rune Etched Greaves, Rune Etched Helm, Rune Etched Vambrces, Scaled Heirophant Breastplate, Scaled Heirophant Vambraces, Scaled Heirophant's Greaves, Scaled Heirophant's Boots, Scaled Heirophant Cloak, Scaled Heirophant's Helm
Lord of Loathing 56 Eye of Innoruuk, Beckon
Grandmaster R'tal 56 Sode of Enpowerment, Rakusha Cloak, Sunderfury, Indicolite Boots, Indicolite Breastplate, Indicolite Gauntlets, Indicolite Greaves, Indicolite Helm, Indicolite Vambraces, Legionnaire Scale Breastplate, Legionnaire Scale Bracers, Legionnaire Scale Pauldron, Legionnaire Scale Boots, Legionnaire Scale Gauntlets, Legionnaire Scale Greaves, Legionnaire Scale Vambraces
Magi P'tasa 56 Eye of Innoruuk, Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth, Apothic Boots, Apothic Crown, Apothic Gloves, Apothic Kilt, Apothic Robe, Apothic Sleeves, Apothic Warband
Coercer T'vari 56 Rod of Infinite Thought, Insidious Gloves, Insidious Halo, Insidious Manacle, Insidious Pantaloons, Insidious Robe, Insidious Sleeves, Insidious Slippers
Mistress of Scorn 56 Dawnchaser, Imbrued Platemail Boots, Imbrued Platemail Bracer, Imbrued Platemail Breastplate, Imbrued Platemail Gauntlets, Imbrued Platemail Greaves, Imbrued Platemail Helm, Imbrued Platemail Vambraces
High Priest M'kari 56 Truesight Hammer, Ethereal Mist Boots, Ethereal Mist Bracers, Ethereal Mist Chestplate, Ethereal Mist Gauntlets, Ethereal Mist Greaves, Ethereal Mist Helm, Ethereal Mist Vambraces
The Ire Lord 56 Eye of Innoruuk, Bloodmoon, Shield of the Immaculate
Avatar of Abhorrents 56 Vexthorne, Woven Shadow Boots, Woven Shadow Bracer, Woven Shadow Chestplate, Woven Shadow Gauntlets, Woven Shadow Greaves, Woven Shadow Helm, Woven Shadow Vambraces

Lojik
03-31-2017, 10:20 AM
Looks like you never clicked the link...


All the minibosses are listed there.


No I am just an idiot apparently. However,

Compiled from numerous guides around the Web, plus my own experiences.

The statement about all spawn timers except inny on 6-12 could have been taken from a prerevamp guide. I still don't find this as compelling as the evidence Vianna posted.

Spit
03-31-2017, 11:06 AM
That entire guide is literally directed towards the hate revamp.............

Vianna
03-31-2017, 05:10 PM
The Monkly business detailed guide from June 2001 says clearly 4 days. Sorry spit. One case disagreeing with 4 from the era isn't very reliable.

Spit
03-31-2017, 09:54 PM
Then make the change. Ire is the only one atm that can double up. Everything else can only show up as individual.

Maner
04-01-2017, 12:25 AM
does the named chest even spawn right now?

Erati
04-01-2017, 05:34 PM
does the named chest even spawn right now?

thats from a later update I think

Hate has gone thru like 3-5 revamps or something crazy

nilbog
04-28-2017, 01:29 PM
Fixed, pending update

Keldjor
05-15-2017, 09:00 AM
Shall we just delete the Mage epic out of the game? Looks like we might as well, already a huge pain to start with, with 90% of mages stuck at Earth staff. And guilds perma-camping the spawn and charging insane amounts of $$$ for the MQ.
Lets just go on and delete it and save any Mages the time and effort of even trying it.

Nirgon
05-15-2017, 11:26 AM
Mage epic was rare on live too

It was much faster innately than it is here, big Telin heading that investigation last I knew

Izmael
05-18-2017, 02:24 AM
Several things here make mage epic easier to attain - Phinny is a trivial trio, it takes 2 hours to get a Quillmane cloak (a lifetime back then), the CoM bit can be duoed (required a guild raid back then). Only fair that something is put in the game to limit the rate of mage epics entering the game. The devs probably don't want epic mage armies running around (and rightly so).

It may seem that mage epic is very hard to attain, but really it's not much harder than it used to be back in classic, if at all. Many OTHER epics, however, became a lot easier to achieve on P99, which may be giving that impression, by comparison.

If anything, I'd recommend making all other epics a lot harder. They are called "epics" for a reason.

Rygar
05-18-2017, 09:10 AM
I agree on making them harder to get, was shocked how easy my monk epic was. To be fair I grinded all faction as iksar and did all the sub quests myself so it took a while, but most short cut that part. Would love to see more no drop parts of epics and no MQs allowed to make folks appreciate the journey more.

Monk epic also seems to make final fight easier, should be on top of temple in middle of lake, not at the shore. It looks like on live people pulled the fights to the shore to make it easier, but was still another variable added in.

Victorio
05-18-2017, 08:29 PM
Monk epic also seems to make final fight easier, should be on top of temple in middle of lake, not at the shore. It looks like on live people pulled the fights to the shore to make it easier, but was still another variable added in.
Good catch

Sallan
05-19-2017, 02:09 AM
Yeah I found it strange why the astral projection spawns on the beach here when I distinctively recalled the final fight on the middle lake pedestal platform with the npc spawning there (upon turn in at the OT chasm)

playing4peace
05-19-2017, 09:01 PM
I understand the concept of "rare" because I have camped many rare drops in my time. 10-20 kills seems reasonable for a "rare" drop. But I'm wondering... has the Encyclopedia Necrothurgia dropped AT ALL since the latest drop rate nerf?

The first few weeks after revamp, it was pretty common drop from broodmaster. everyone was getting their book... then a couple weeks later smugly quitting their necro and going on to other things - alts, other games, etc. - as if the book ended eqp99 for them. Then the nerfed drop rate came and I have not seen (in 11 kills) or EVEN HEARD OF the book dropping since. That seems to be "excessive overkill" on the drop rate nerf.

Just sayin.

Rokzor
05-24-2017, 01:03 AM
Hate is definately off regarding drops.

Druid armor used to drop like mad (4 - 6 pieces per raid), now we go 5+ raids without a single drop sometimes.