Something I envy RED for...

[Draulius]

As a Blue player something I envy Red players for is the RP potential. You could raise your faction with an obscure group of mobs and gank whoever tries to kill them. And many other things. It sounds like good fun.

Do any players do things like this? The server isn't nearly as populated so I find it unlikely, and I figure people come here to PVP and not RP. Still some good RP potential though that Blue lacks in comparison.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

I don't recall much RP, but getting faction in a place like Chardok and then being able to run around with impunity while you shit on people grouping there is fun. They can't chase you into groups of mobs unless they want to CR. Allows you to heal up/rebuff and hit them again.

[georgie]

There's tons of rp believe it or not

[Gustoo]

Yes basically every aspect of the game has more meaning in PvP and more so in item loot PvP like is being proposed for the reboot classic era server.

A classic murderer move is to have a dark elf in crushbone and faction up with the orcs there and battle with orcs as your allies.

This was like an elite level pk secret back then.

With max ally with guards you can attack players when they sit at guards. If they attack you the guard kills them. Even damage shields will draw guard aggro to defend their ally.

Then of course the gear you wear actually matters in the game for something other than simply pride.

And hundreds of important things to remember regarding how you apply spells to yourself.

And actually playing the game with full range of beneficial spells applied at all times if you are any good.

I don't want to give out many pro tips but the implications are numerous. It's a way better game with PvP enabled. If everyone on blue came to red and 80 percent of them decided to be anti pks like the old days and to cooperate to thrive we would have a pretty exciting server even with no item loot and everything set up the way is now.

That's why guys like me that love eq in general have such a hard time playing blue. Even bad red is just a way richer gaming experience.

Lots of itenms have low or insignificant use but are useful on red because of PvP implications. Literally every part of the game is better including straight RPing

[Tassador]

I stopped reading after "As a blue player".

Fuckoff back to blue :)

[Gustoo]

Lol

[Glissando]

Cached in CB would beg for food and drink and only attack if you didn't help him or were an asshole. Pras

[Draulius]

I stopped reading after "As a blue player".

Fuckoff back to blue :)

50 players online LOL

[Tassador]

50 players online LOL

Nobody wants you here go spin in the tunnel kid.

[El Camacho]

50 players online LOL

Chill, he was just role playing.

[Symbioticforks]

As a Blue player something I envy Red players for is the RP potential. You could raise your faction with an obscure group of mobs and gank whoever tries to kill them. And many other things. It sounds like good fun.

Do any players do things like this? The server isn't nearly as populated so I find it unlikely, and I figure people come here to PVP and not RP. Still some good RP potential though that Blue lacks in comparison.

People will faction with all sorts of NPC's and use them as shields in pvp.

Ring of Scale / Venril Sathir / Plane of Mischief / Legion of Cabilis / Thurgadin / Kael / Skyshrine / North Freeport / etc..

Alliance neck for faction in Siren's Grotto

There's no roleplay however.. you'd need to import some bluebies for that kind of interaction to occur.

[TheDuck]

People will faction with all sorts of NPC's and use them as shields in pvp.

Ring of Scale / Venril Sathir / Plane of Mischief / Legion of Cabilis / Thurgadin / Kael / Skyshrine / North Freeport / etc..

Alliance neck for faction in Siren's Grotto

There's no roleplay however.. you'd need to import some bluebies for that kind of interaction to occur.

yes, just what we want, edward and bella cullen RPing over here.

KEEP THAT SHIT ON BLUE. lol. fucking wierdo's.

[Malevz]

As a Blue player something I envy Red players for is the RP potential.

RP and PvP, those don't mix, specially not on red99.

RPers want to enjoy lore, put themselves in the characters shoes and immerse themselves (I celebrate your diversity).

PvPers on red... I'm Canadian so I mean this in the nicest way possible, but a good portion of these people are trying to compensate for things. It's not able playing a game, it's about feeling inadequate in RL and having a place where they can pretend to have some worth/value or significance. You have drug addicts, poor people, socially inept Asperger types....

Lot of these people aren't looking to immerse themselves in their chars, they are looking to feel significant in an otherwise insignificant life. They don't play for fun so much, but because it's the only recognition and sense of value they get. You don't log into a 20 year old elf sim with 39 other people to talk shit and grief people as a high school science teacher because you're happy with your life.

[Tassador]

RP and PvP, those don't mix, specially not on red99.

RPers want to enjoy lore, put themselves in the characters shoes and immerse themselves (I celebrate your diversity).

PvPers on red... I'm Canadian so I mean this in the nicest way possible, but a good portion of these people are trying to compensate for things. It's not able playing a game, it's about feeling inadequate in RL and having a place where they can pretend to have some worth/value or significance. You have drug addicts, poor people, socially inept Asperger types....

Lot of these people aren't looking to immerse themselves in their chars, they are looking to feel significant in an otherwise insignificant life. They don't play for fun so much, but because it's the only recognition and sense of value they get. You don't log into a 20 year old elf sim with 39 other people to talk shit and grief people as a high school science teacher because you're happy with your life.

How does one get griefed on a game? Explain this to me? Seriously sit back and think about someone killing you in a pvp server constantly and you crying about it? I got corpses camped and didn't cry about it. Logged off got corpse later continued on my merry way. You are a loser and made a loser post.

It's fucking eq pvp you're supposed to shit on people. Elf quest is more popular and one click away.

[Malevz]

Wow, touched a nerve. Do you need a hug? I could grind a little maybe.

I'm sorry I upset you snowflake.

[Tassador]

Wow, touched a nerve. Do you need a hug? I could grind a little maybe.

I'm sorry I upset you snowflake.

You talk about getting griefed on a video game. You're a super basic human brah.

[Malevz]

I never mentioned griefing, I mentioned the players on red, you read griefing into it.

By the amount of oversensitiveness I have to assume you're one of those people that needs red99 for validation and self worth. I don't see that as an issue (on a personal note I find it sad, but to each their own).

So while I never mentioned griefing, you could be right, I might be a super basic human, not entirely sure what that is. Sounds pretty positive if you ask me.

Good luck with your issues snowflake.

[Gustoo]

Neways lots to envy red for

[coki]

People will faction with all sorts of NPC's and use them as shields in pvp.

Ring of Scale / Venril Sathir / Plane of Mischief / Legion of Cabilis / Thurgadin / Kael / Skyshrine / North Freeport / etc..

Alliance neck for faction in Siren's Grotto

There's no roleplay however.. you'd need to import some bluebies for that kind of interaction to occur.

? there was tons of roleplay on vallon zek like "anklebiters" "combine ressurection" less you forget? also that elf only guild forget name

[Pseudechis]

and gank whoever tries to kill them.


Noone kills monsters on this server. There is noone on this server....

[Tassador]

I never mentioned griefing, I mentioned the players on red, you read griefing into it.

By the amount of oversensitiveness I have to assume you're one of those people that needs red99 for validation and self worth. I don't see that as an issue (on a personal note I find it sad, but to each their own).

So while I never mentioned griefing, you could be right, I might be a super basic human, not entirely sure what that is. Sounds pretty positive if you ask me.

Good luck with your issues snowflake.

You never mention griefing? You get mad how people play games or the results of the game that's what I mean about basic. You're a loser :)

[Tassador]

You don't log into a 20 year old elf sim with 39 other people to talk shit and grief people as a high school science teacher because you're happy with your life.

Loser :)

[Malevz]

Sorry snowflake, not mad. I was making the connection that people that use the game to validate their existence by doing whatever on red, are less likely to role play. I have no real opinions on griefing or roleplaying, I don't do either.

As for a loser, I visit a message board every few weeks for a game I haven't played regular in.... 15+ months? You may just be onto something there.

I just did the:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/how-basic-are-you

I'm not sure how accurate it is, as it's 2 years old, but:

"You checked off 2 out of 119 on this list! You’re not basic at all"

To be fair I clicked "I own a juicer", and "I like scented candles", because who doesn't like scented candles? I'm not some sort of monster. If you could give me any feedback on this, or have a more recent 'Basic' test, something more official, it would help greatly.

[Ragnaros]

malevz is spot on if im online its prolly cuz there aint shit goin on
also i would love to be a high school teacher thats my dream job

[AzzarTheGod]

malevz is spot on if im online its prolly cuz there aint shit goin on
also i would love to be a high school teacher thats my dream job

could def see u teaching at a public school.

There's a lot of people on this box that could only teach private if ya know what I'm sayin heh heh



























Cyren.

[Ragnaros]

ya im not really the type of guy to do something i dont like just cause it pays big, have always wanted to teach

[Palemoon]

To the OP: Yes some of us do enjoy how the pvp gives us another tool in game TO roleplay our toons. To me playing on a red server makes for a more immersive/RP experience. Another layer to the cake if you will, why settle for blue and hardcoded limits on how your toon can impact others around you?

For those that remember, the very early days of rallos zek were very heavy on roleplay going hand in hand on who you grouped with or attacked. A lot of that fell by the wayside as time goes on, just as it has here on red99. Has more to do with what happens to servers as they age more than anything. Race to the bottom with only the slime left on top, after they have "griefed" off everyone else for the "lulz"

But yes there are specialized toons made around a concept, and then go out into the world and fight for their faction/homeland, whatever. Most def pvp adds to RP.

My dream server? a hybrid of Firiona vie and Sullon zek servers.

[AzzarTheGod]

For those that remember, the very early days of rallos zek were very heavy on roleplay going hand in hand on who you grouped with or attacked. A lot of that fell by the wayside as time goes on, just as it has here on red99. Has more to do with what happens to servers as they age more than anything. Race to the bottom with only the slime left on top, after they have "griefed" off everyone else for the "lulz"


accurate. there was no WoW kiddy culture yet. it was taken very seriously from a roleplay standpoint that transcended the game itself. people feared them and their presence / behavior and acted accordingly as a carryover from UO culture.

cant really be put into words. wolves vs sheep isn't really good enough to describe the extremely early days in highpass hold, south karana, oasis, etc. pks having to make friends with other outcast murderers, only to get stabbed in the back, or tricked into nuking someone solo in highpass while the other partner starts nuking you instead. The wolves didn't know they were wolves yet. Some wolves had no idea. Some wolves murdered people only to realize they werent really a murderer and had to live with it now. The lines of what a pk was pre-zerg pre-max level in the very early days were very blurry.

once you killed someone you never knew how many people knew about it, you'd try to go about your business but the murder you committed could come up again and become a problem on a given adventure.

if you rushed to max level, or joined a major zerg blue "raid" guild as soon as possible without exploring the game (like a lot of these so-called OG's on red99 did). you missed a lot of what 1999-2000 was about on Rallos zek.

That was real PvP.

[Old_PVP]

RP and PvP, those don't mix, specially not on red99.

I disagree with this statement.

Roleplay and PVP can go hand in hand. When you think about the Sullon Zek server, that was basically a RP PVP server...teams based on deity. Granted, not many people actually did much RP, but the foundation was there.

Not only that, but many RP guilds have formed throughout the years with the sole purpose of tailoring a RP story to their PVP agenda. Shorty only guilds for example.

[Tassador]

Sorry snowflake, not mad. I was making the connection that people that use the game to validate their existence by doing whatever on red, are less likely to role play. I have no real opinions on griefing or roleplaying, I don't do either.

As for a loser, I visit a message board every few weeks for a game I haven't played regular in.... 15+ months? You may just be onto something there.

I just did the:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/chelseamarshall/how-basic-are-you

I'm not sure how accurate it is, as it's 2 years old, but:

"You checked off 2 out of 119 on this list! You’re not basic at all"

To be fair I clicked "I own a juicer", and "I like scented candles", because who doesn't like scented candles? I'm not some sort of monster. If you could give me any feedback on this, or have a more recent 'Basic' test, something more official, it would help greatly.

Sorry you lost didn't read a word loser :)

[HippoNipple]

For those that remember, the very early days of rallos zek were very heavy on roleplay going hand in hand on who you grouped with or attacked. A lot of that fell by the wayside as time goes on, just as it has here on red99. Has more to do with what happens to servers as they age more than anything. Race to the bottom with only the slime left on top, after they have "griefed" off everyone else for the "lulz"

But yes there are specialized toons made around a concept, and then go out into the world and fight for their faction/homeland, whatever. Most def pvp adds to RP.

My dream server? a hybrid of Firiona vie and Sullon zek servers.

The reason early Zek had a feeling of role playing for you wasn't because of the player base or time period. It would happen with any new game where there are not prior relationships among players. When a group of people are new in any setting and pitted against people they find the first reason to ostracize others for survival. You pick out the race that is different and everyone of the same race gangs up. It is an easy way to build a sense of team work on the spot when no prior knowledge of the players exist.

Later as relationships, reputation, and greed for pixels build the player races mean nothing and people find ways to segregate themselves into groups by common long term goals.

Giving the server credit for having a mature player base or the game creators for creating a game with this amazing phenomenon is delusional and just you hyping up a game you enjoyed a long time ago.

[derpcake]

The reason early Zek had a feeling of role playing for you wasn't because of the player base or time period. It would happen with any new game where there are not prior relationships among players. When a group of people are new in any setting and pitted against people they find the first reason to ostracize others for survival. You pick out the race that is different and everyone of the same race gangs up. It is an easy way to build a sense of team work on the spot when no prior knowledge of the players exist.

Later as relationships, reputation, and greed for pixels build the player races mean nothing and people find ways to segregate themselves into groups by common long term goals.

Giving the server credit for having a mature player base or the game creators for creating a game with this amazing phenomenon is delusional and just you hyping up a game you enjoyed a long time ago.

this is also the reason why red is as it is

pixel-frustration builds up, only the true neckbeards keep going at it, and they are hit hardest by it

a wipe would be a good way to force them to let go what happened on orc hill 4 years ago

[Tassador]

this is also the reason why red is as it is

pixel-frustration builds up, only the true neckbeards keep going at it, and they are hit hardest by it

a wipe would be a good way to force them to let go what happened on orc hill 4 years ago

Wipe won't happen but teams will! Stay tuned for more details coming down the pipe line!

[TheBiznessTZ]

Wipe won't happen but teams will! Stay tuned for more details coming down the pipe line!

the dakota pipeline? too soon bro.

[Life617]

Red is just too hardcore as it is already. As a new player you're 99.9% bound to quit once you make it into your 50s. No need to make it even more hardcore.

[Gustoo]

It's hardcore because PvP is basically only used to ruin people's PvE experience and no real fun fighting people with no consequences so the person with the most time to burn wins. Not a fun setup.

Hard teams are likely to be the same. Maybe if it was 1 toon per up address and bans for being caught trying to circumvent and randomly assigned teams and no character deletion / re rolling?

Seems far fetched but if any choice is involved I think it would devolve quickly there needs to be lots of changes to make a PvP server better than what we have and frankly with our pop I really think it needs to be classic era only with item loot to encourage all kinds of PvP once the PvE is maxed out. Classic PvE content is totally beatable and does t have tons of all all stuff that requires permanent raiding. It will give people more time to fight each other for fun or gain.

[Draulius]

this is also the reason why red is as it is

pixel-frustration builds up, only the true neckbeards keep going at it, and they are hit hardest by it

a wipe would be a good way to force them to let go what happened on orc hill 4 years ago

What happened on orc hill?

[Gustoo]

The roots of squabble.

[Tassador]

What happened on orc hill?

Back to blue. You're safe there from the people who can ruin your eq day lol. Stay safe in pixel land :)

[Draulius]

Back to blue. You're safe there from the people who can ruin your eq day lol. Stay safe in pixel land :)

Yeah I suck. I bow to you RED gods who play the game in hardcore mode with your huge experience boosts and gank squads.

[Gustoo]

Your response is right in line with what tassador would have hoped for. Gotta think red and not play into his hands.

Gank squads are awesome people do that when killing players is worth while which means not anymore. So you're safe.

[Gustoo]

P.s. traditionally PvP happened on orc hill. It is a prime level 10 rogue pk area when server has players and normal level progression.

On red nothing has happened there since beta and first month's of server. He is referencing the comical potential origins of a dispute. Like Jacob and Esau or Isaac and Ishmael.

[Tassador]

Yeah I suck. I bow to you RED gods who play the game in hardcore mode with your huge experience boosts and gank squads.

It's so funny how when you're in blue you can only pick 4 or 5 zones to level. And yes you do suck at the eq pvp. It's not your fault. Eq pvp doesn't work all to well and especially with rp nerds that make dark elf shadow knights with no gear. Yes this game is a lot harder with pvp involved you're in easy mode.

[Draulius]

It's so funny how when you're in blue you can only pick 4 or 5 zones to level. And yes you do suck at the eq pvp. It's not your fault. Eq pvp doesn't work all to well and especially with rp nerds that make dark elf shadow knights with no gear. Yes this game is a lot harder with pvp involved you're in easy mode.
So if someone is holding a camp I want I just gank them and take it without getting /petition'd. No competition or risk of backup either because of the server's low pop. Sounds too easy honestly. We can only pick 4 or 5 zones to level in because the server isn't a ghost town with free reign to do whatever we want. Knowing which camp is less populated at what time of day requires skill, and holding that camp without losing it requires even more skill. Then of course there's the economical side of things, trading and flipping in EC tunnel. That's a great part of the game you're missing on Red. Buying something at a low price and then selling it for higher is one of it's greatest thrills. Oh yeah, and it requires SKILL. Time to stop calling us blue babies. More like you're red rookies.

[Tassador]

So if someone is holding a camp I want I just gank them and take it without getting /petition'd. No competition or risk of backup either because of the server's low pop. Sounds too easy honestly. We can only pick 4 or 5 zones to level in because the server isn't a ghost town with free reign to do whatever we want. Knowing which camp is less populated at what time of day requires skill, and holding that camp without losing it requires even more skill. Then of course there's the economical side of things, trading and flipping in EC tunnel. That's a great part of the game you're missing on Red. Buying something at a low price and then selling it for higher is one of it's greatest thrills. Oh yeah, and it requires SKILL. Time to stop calling us blue babies. More like you're red rookies.

the thrill of buying online items. omg fuck off back to blue already.

[HippoNipple]

People complain about forum trolls warding off potential new players but seriously, take a step back, read this dudes posts, and be thankful you didn't have to waste your time throwing a fungi on a level 12 to do it yourself.

[Gustoo]

I'm hoping Draul is just trolling because that quote above is just ridiculous.

Bst doesn't happen on red because of low pop. When there is pop there is full blown trading just like on blue and people who spend all their time making deals.

As it is there is a lot of gear rotting on alts / mules. No demand for anything except very rare items.

Continually killing mobs uninterrupted to "hold" a camp on blue vs battling actual players for the right to own the camp please.

Next thing he's going to post about the thrill of locking in a really great petitionquest lawyer and winning rights to kill a dragon in "norraths people's court" a twitch tv live event where players beg for staff favor to have a shot at killing a mob, slightly dramatised of course.

This guy is why people that have ever played red just can't stomach blue. Seeing this guy and not being able to kill him on sight is truly gut wrenching.

[bestovv]

i myself roleplay as a fat neckbearded virgin

[Retticus]

i myself roleplay as a fat neckbearded virgin

Lold

[MerkelMacron]

I'm hoping Draul is just trolling because that quote above is just ridiculous.

[branamil]

What do the 30 people online even do? Must be empty and boring. What a depress server, they should just delete it.

[Jimjam]

How does one get griefed on a game? Explain this to me? Seriously sit back and think about someone killing you in a pvp server constantly and you crying about it? I got corpses camped and didn't cry about it. Logged off got corpse later continued on my merry way. You are a loser and made a loser post.

It's fucking eq pvp you're supposed to shit on people. Elf quest is more popular and one click away.

I think you highlighted a problem with the pvp servers:

They actively encourage players to log off.

[Tassador]

What do the 30 people online even do? Must be empty and boring. What a depress server, they should just delete it.

Yeah dude sick burn now fuck off back to blue with 1500 creeps instead of 30. Enjoy the thrill of raiding for items or making that deal in east commons.