monk + fungi tunic

[EQBallzz]

I have never had one but I'm curious if monks actually use this item and if so..how is it used? Do people wear it as regular gear or just keep it bagged and wear when flopped to regen HP or only on certain fights/circumstances?

I can see why a shaman would wear it full-time but it seems more situational for a monk or is that wrong?

[Lhancelot]

I have never had one but I'm curious if monks actually use this item and if so..how is it used? Do people wear it as regular gear or just keep it bagged and wear when flopped to regen HP or only on certain fights/circumstances?

I can see why a shaman would wear it full-time but it seems more situational for a monk or is that wrong?

Any stat loss due to wearing a fungi tunic will be inconsequential no matter what class is wearing it imo. It wouldn't make any sense to me ever switching it out.

Except for fashionquesting in the EC tunnel. You should always wear your fanciest looking top-shelf tunic when you are parading around the tunnel.

[Dreenk317]

Any stat loss due to wearing a fungi tunic will be inconsequential no matter what class is wearing it imo. It wouldn't make any sense to me

My monk has a fungi. I only switch it out to click my robe, unless I'm not taking any damage. Then i wear whatever gear is most beneficial at the time. But if I'm solo/duo/trio, or tanking/offtanking, fungi all the time.

For instance, the other day duoing with a shaman in KC. I had regrowth, fungi, and iksar regen. The mobs were slowed and I don't think the shaman healed me more than once every half hour. And then only if I was facetanking 3-4 mobs while I dragged them around for roots.

[Zarcath]

I don't have my epic yet.

Solo/Duo i'll wear the fungi and swap for robe click
Group pulling i'll wear my robe for the stats, regen on pulls seems inconsequential
Group not pulling/bard in group, i'd wear something with real combat stats (like ice burrower skin or a velious class tunic)

People typically wear fungi 24/7 because they don't have an alternative. It's got shit combat stats. Robes are superior.

When I get my epic, i'll go back and get a Robe of the Lost Circle over fungi.

[Lowako]

I have never had one but I'm curious if monks actually use this item and if so..how is it used? Do people wear it as regular gear or just keep it bagged and wear when flopped to regen HP or only on certain fights/circumstances?

I can see why a shaman would wear it full-time but it seems more situational for a monk or is that wrong?

You'd wear it full time. Its the best (non shroud of longevity) chest in the game by a pretty solid margin. You may swap it out at times for a BP with resists when you really need resists, but ideally you'd leave it equipped forever. Regen effects are really nice in this game considering its relatively slow pace.

It makes duoing with a shaman a lot more mana effecient, especially when combined with mend and stonestance disc. For example, lets say you're a low 50s monk duoing with a low 50s shaman, and you're fighting monsters that on average do 100 damage per tic. Shaman regen is assumed in all of these scenarios. A human monk with no fungi will regen 17 hp per tic, with fungi 32 per tic. An iksar monk with no fungi will regen 21 per tic, with fungi 36 per tic. If we consider damage recovered by regen as damage mitigation, a human monk wearing a fungi has nearly double the mitigation of a human monk without a fungi. An iksar monk with fungi has around 71% more mitigation than one without. This effect is a lot more pronounced when you're fighting monster with lower damage output or you aren't being hit often because you're busy pulling.

Now lets look at the effect of fungi as a below level 50 monk who is waiting to regen X amount of HP before he stands back up. Keep in mind that in reality you can most likely get someone to come heal you at some point/using mend. A human with no fungi regens 1hp per tic, with fungi 16 hp per tic. An iksar with no fungi regens 2 hp per tic, 17 per tic with fungi. A non-fungi iksar will wait 1/2 as much as a non-fungi human. A fungi human will spend 8 times less time on the ground than a non-fungi iksar. A fungi human will spend 16x less time on the ground than a non-fungi human. At higher levels (or with other regen effects present) the effects are much less profound, but still a significant bonus.

A level 60 iksar with Ring 10 buff and regen buff with fungi will spend 1.38x less time on the ground then an equally buffed iksar monk that lacks fungi.

Its also worth swapping out for an Ancient Wyvern Hide Tunic (http://wiki.project1999.com/Ancient_Wyvern_Hide_Tunic) when tanking things that hit incredibly hard/fast (brother z/q, ixiblat, raid monsters etc) but those situations are pretty limited.

TLDR; Always have it equipped unless you desperately need the resists or are tanking things that hit like freight trains.

[Cwall 146.0]

it's a retardedly overpowered item when you don't need resists

in which case you'd probably use something like a robe of the azure sky

[Troxx]

I don't have my epic yet.

Solo/Duo i'll wear the fungi and swap for robe click
Group pulling i'll wear my robe for the stats, regen on pulls seems inconsequential
Group not pulling/bard in group, i'd wear something with real combat stats (like ice burrower skin or a velious class tunic)

People typically wear fungi 24/7 because they don't have an alternative. It's got shit combat stats. Robes are superior.

When I get my epic, i'll go back and get a Robe of the Lost Circle over fungi.

Sorry - this post makes no sense.

At the tempo of the game found in classic EQ - the regen of the fungi far outweighs any other monk breastplate available for the overwhelming majority of content. You could make the case that certain encounters might favor a resistance heavy piece if you both plan on taking consistent high spell damage AND the differences in resists makes a meaningful impact.

If you're not pulling and never taking damage ... maybe. But are the extra stats really going to do that much extra for you?

Classic eq is a relatively slow game where the stats (str/stam/dex/whatever) of individual items (not counting weapons/haste for a melee) only add very tiny but cumulative advantage. The impact of 15 continuous regeneration per tick is in no way tiny.

[jolanar]

Easy, you just put it on and never take it off again until you get a Lungi.

[Doctor Jeff]

Sorry - this post makes no sense.

I'm pretty sure that guy is either retarded or doesn't actually play everquest.

[EQBallzz]

Thanks for all the replies and info all.

[Zarcath]

You guys are out of your damn mind.

If you're not taking damage regen means shit. 15 every 6 seconds at 100% hp isn't doing shit. I'd rather have the minor damage increase (and stam/raw HP) during a fight. I'm going to be taking burst damage not tickled to death. AGAIN - in a GROUP where i'm not taking damage, mobs are alive in camp for 1? 2? minutes? that's only 20 ticks. 300hp. is that really significant?

I'd rather have the minor combat increase and just use Mend, or spell Regen, or the healer can just heal me every couple of pulls. Fungi 24/7 is lazy.

[Razaz]

If we consider damage recovered by regen as damage mitigation,

I'd argue that this is flat out wrong to begin with. Mitigation is about reducing the damage you take to begin with (AC & Resists), not how efficiently you can recover the damage (Regen/Heals).

If you are taking damage where passive regen and mend can easily cover the damage taken, you are gaining no use from the fungi. It could be more beneficial, however minor, to switch to a chest piece with combat stats to increase DPS and minimize the damage output on the tank. Or as Zarcath said,

You guys are out of your damn mind.

If you're not taking damage regen means shit.

A shaman is always loosing HP for canni so it makes much more sense for them to wear it 24/7. I'd say just not to be lazy and read the situation. If you are solo/duo/tanking, the regen is probably going to be better. If you are just pulling and dpsing without taking much damage, switch to something with real stats.

[Troxx]

You guys are out of your damn mind.

Right ... because everyone else being out of their damn minds is a lot more likely than you being our of yours.

100 raw hp, 30 extra AC, 15 to all resists and 15 to all stats would still be functionally inferior in classic EQ to +15hp/tick continuous regen. Stats really don't mean all that much - and by the time that fungi "isn't worth it" you'll buff out to 255 strength. Extra hp? Meaningless if you're "always full health". If you're not always full health, regen wins short and long haul.

/boggle

[Troxx]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Lost_Circle

Vs

http://wiki.project1999.com/Fungus_Covered_Scale_Tunic

3 str, 15 dex, 5 stamina, 50hp, 15 agi

Vs

6 more AC, 15 hp/tick regen

Not even close

[Doctor Jeff]

should be noted that you have max melee stats buffed at just 120 str/dex

[Lowako]

I'd argue that this is flat out wrong to begin with. Mitigation is about reducing the damage you take to begin with (AC & Resists), not how efficiently you can recover the damage (Regen/Heals).

If you are taking damage where passive regen and mend can easily cover the damage taken, you are gaining no use from the fungi. It could be more beneficial, however minor, to switch to a chest piece with combat stats to increase DPS and minimize the damage output on the tank. Or as Zarcath said,



A shaman is always loosing HP for canni so it makes much more sense for them to wear it 24/7. I'd say just not to be lazy and read the situation. If you are solo/duo/tanking, the regen is probably going to be better. If you are just pulling and dpsing without taking much damage, switch to something with real stats.

Mitigation isn't the correct term, I agree with that. But the reason I used that term is because having that regen reduces the amount that your healer needs to heal you. Obviously the regen doesn't do anything for you when you are full HP, in which case its better to wear something with better stats. But its very rare that you're in a position where you aren't going to get hit on a monk.

You could argue that because you don't get hit very much when pulling you can let innate regen+mend do the work, but personally I think that using mend to heal damage from stray hits is a bit of a gamble. I don't know about other monks, but when I play a monk I like to save mend for "oh shit" situations - essentially when I fuck up pulling or get a failed FD.

[Cecily]

Naw. It's mitigation over time. Fungi + regen mitigates AEs fantastically, so yeah it's rogue BIS too.

[Cwall 146.0]

wearing something other than fungi for "dps" or "combat stats" is a moot point when both strength and dexterity, the only two stats that can be attributed to some sort of damage increase, are both incredibly easy to max with buffs

regardless, the optimal scenario as i mentioned is:

using a robe of the azure sky for situations where resists/hp will outweigh the hp regen, aka very short time pulls and dragon aoe fights where you don't have 255 of the relevant resist(s) for whatever reason

or

using a fungi tunic

o well good thing my monk has a shroud of longevity

[Freakish]

I have a bp off ikitair. 46ac, 50hp. Stats of some kind who cares. Fungi is still better due to the constant healing in nearly every situation.

[Dreenk317]

should be noted that you have max melee stats buffed at just 120 str/dex

This hits the nail on the head. It is insanely easy to cap melee stats in this game with buffs. Therefore, when duoing/grouping/raiding I wear the fungi pretty much 24/7. Because that regen, I've yet to cap it.

[Doctor Jeff]

I very much enjoy that, after being embarrassed by the entire melee community, Zarcath has removed his avatar and the names of his characters from his signature.