Kids Can't Handle Old-School RPGs Anymore

[muddy27]

Sad state now days when kids pick up a game and dont even bother reading the manual, READING OMG whats that???? our future youth and future generations are in serious trouble. Alot of kids dont even read regular books anymore now days.

Article:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.234661-Kids-Cant-Handle-Old-School-RPGs-Anymore

[Harrison]

It's true :\

I remember mapping out dungeons in old SNES, NES, and Sega games on graph paper. (for those that lacked a mapping system in it)

While that is incredibly nerdy, I imagine that's why I made kids look like retards in landnav. Kids born in the 90s are just, dumb.

[muddy27]

I was born in 83 did my first real gaming on the NES in 88-89. Games like Shadowgate, Dragon Warrior, Zelda etc. I didnt really start PC gaming untill the early to mid 90's.

[Slathar]

It's true :\

I remember mapping out dungeons in old SNES, NES, and Sega games on graph paper. (for those that lacked a mapping system in it)

While that is incredibly nerdy, I imagine that's why I made kids look like retards in landnav. Kids born in the 90s are just, dumb.

i agree with you actually harrison. i found a box of printed everquest maps from classic while cleaning.

the problem today is that the amount of time we played (wasted?) everquest is simply viewed as insane when you now have other options like WoW

[Motrin]

Ive been playing EQ since i was 9 years old. Started in Luclin Era. Ive played wow and those other games, they are honestly a joke. Nothing will EVER compare to EQ and the community that started here

[bizzum]

I bet if for the final in that test if you wrote RTFM on the top of the page and that was it, he would give you an A.

That phrase is sadly dying.

[Chanus]

I use RTFM every chance I get!

I wanna go play Ultima now... and Legacy of the Ancients... and Pools of Radiance.

[Shodex]

When I play a new game, I find myself only checking the manual if theres a control I don't know, or something of that nature.

Being 15, everyone I know plays console games, and so do I, I love a mindless shooter game as much as the next 100,000,000 people. Just, I love them in a different way.

When I play RPGs, I play to get shit on. And I can shamelessly say, I love getting shit on.

[Itchybottom]

TLDR. :p

[fugazi]

My friend always curses nonstop while playing WoW when quests involve more than 'kill x'. I'M HERE, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO AND DON'T TELL ME TO READ THE QUEST. Read the quest. FUCK YOU.

Ah, how we evolved.

[Krimsin]

i agree with you actually harrison. i found a box of printed everquest maps from classic while cleaning.

the problem today is that the amount of time we played (wasted?) everquest is simply viewed as insane when you now have other options like WoW

I've cracked a few of the old EQ binders since I recently started on this server. I'm sadly realizing if they'd offered a degree in EQ I'd have been valedictorian.

[Omnimorph]

I like this article.

I remember watching 300 with some friends and breaking down exactly what the phalanx was and why it was such a strong defensive unit. Now tell me that many hours spent playing civilization and reading the civilpedia was a waste of my time :p

Hell, I learnt more playing that game than anything else. I mean i would be playing it, discover a new technology, and i'd read about the technology i just discovered, then i'd click on a link of the units that were now available. Man... it was like wikipedia before wikipedia!!!

As for classic EQ, i used to do the usual inventories, sales projections as to how long it'd take for me to save up to buy an item. I'd plot maps, pull strategies.

Games are becoming easier, and as a result kids are becoming dumber and lazier.... and angrier for some reason... possibly because they expect things to come to them with little to no effort.

Hell, people i know who play WoW don't even like challenges. They choose not to try something they deem too hard, where as i'm of the opinion if it's hard, then it makes it more challenging, so you should do it!

[Omnimorph]

Oh, and as for kiddies not reading the manual. I remember buying the original diablo, i took the manual to bed and read it as if it were a book, due to the fact it had some seriously great lore about the diablo world.

Games nowadays don't even come with backstories, you're thrust into the game and it's a 5 minute tutorial for the controls, then follow the linear story without really thinking about it, get to the end of the game, beat the boss... Next game pls....

[Lazortag]

Something I think is interesting is that a lot of older games are considered "hard" because most people bought them used at flea markets back in the day. When games like Illusion of Gaia, Earthbound, LOTR (snes) etc. were bought new, they came with manuals that were more like strategy guides because they told you everything you had to do for the majority of the game. Without them people were super lost and had no idea where to go most of the time, and so those games really rewarded kids who were clever and could figure things out on their own.

Nowadays you'll notice most games come with an annoying built-in tutorial or something to that effect. Where's the fun in that? As a kid I liked exploring the mechanics of a game on my own and only deferring to the manual (assuming I had one) once I'd spent about a week without showering failing to figure something out. There was even the option, if you were REALLY desperate, of calling a hotline to have certain puzzles solved for you. No joke. I called one of those when I was 7 to figure out how to get past that stupid ice cave in Mystic Quest. I still feel kind of silly for having not figured it out on my own.

I think I had something deeper to say, but I forget what it was.

[Krimsin]

There was even the option, if you were REALLY desperate, of calling a hotline to have certain puzzles solved for you. No joke. I called one of those when I was 7 to figure out how to get past that stupid ice cave in Mystic Quest. I still feel kind of silly for having not figured it out on my own

That hotline was invented for the ice cave in Mystic quest...

And I'm equally ashamed to know exactly what you're talking about as well as having been likewise stumped. I see people bitch about the water temple in Ocarina of Time, it was nothing compared to the ice cave.

[nalkin]

I see people bitch about the water temple in Ocarina of Time, it was nothing compared to the ice cave.

Eff the water temple.

I remember going to stores with my dad when I was little and looking in sega strategy guide books. I would bring paper with me and copy down cheat codes and then capitalize.

Anyone remember NBA jam? "HES ON FIREEE"

[Krimsin]

I'll take Stockton/Malone vs the field in NBA Jam!

[Pycoba_rng]

Anyone play NOX?

That game was amazing for its time and oldschool

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Anyone remember the completely awesome manual and nintendo power guide foldout dungeon map and reference chart for final fantasy? that was the best.

[Krimsin]

Anyone remember the completely awesome manual and nintendo power guide foldout dungeon map and reference chart for final fantasy? that was the best.

I recall reading the baddie list and seeing the 30k hp mechanized boss on there and about shitting myself.

[Duma]

Warmech only had 1,000hp. It dropped 32,000 GP/GIL

Not a boss but a 1in64 random encounter on the bridge to Tiamat.

[Harrison]

That hotline was invented for the ice cave in Mystic quest...

And I'm equally ashamed to know exactly what you're talking about as well as having been likewise stumped. I see people bitch about the water temple in Ocarina of Time, it was nothing compared to the ice cave.

Hahahahah, I remember calling that too!

[y2sky2003]

I'll take Stockton/Malone vs the field in NBA Jam!

The sleeper team of that game was the Cleveland Cavaliers. Mark Price was money from 3-point range and Brad Daugherty could dunk through a double team.

As for Ocarina of Time, the Forest Temple was a bit tougher for me the first time through than the Water Temple. Water was tedious trying to find the correct water level to get where I wanted to go, but finding all the keys in the Forest Temple took me FOREVER.

[Gorgetrapper]

if any of you guys remember "Might and Magic: Gates to Another World", you know pain.