Drums of the Beast

[Docx]

I'm open to anyone explaining why a bard would pay more then maybe and this is a stretch, 50-75k for these. It doesn't increase run speed as we are already at max velocity, it increases OoS + Fulfils by a combined 2 and 3 -RM respectively, and it increases our chant dot dmg which is never / rarely used. While the the extra -RM is... nice? I've never had Fulfils land and not had a slow landed afterwards already.

Maybe I'm missing something so I'd love to hear feedback as to why you'd either A want one or B have one and believe it to be of more utility than say a bladestopper which is my next big purchase.

[dafier]

Because it's BEAST!

JK man. Honestly why anyone would buy it at all baffles me.

[Siberious]

My understanding is because it's primary slot, in addition to the best mod on a drum. You can have something in secondary at same time for more stats.

Also less items to swap in and out since you can leave a weapon or shield in OH at the same time. I've barely played my bard so far (lvl 17) and only having to swap instrument with primary is wayyy nicer then taking primary out, then swapping secondary items, then doing it in reverse when you want to take instrument off.

The less swapping = luxury item in a sense so people are willing to pay a lot to more so they don't have to swap so many items around. Looks like a great quality of life item to me. Also SG is one of the few difficult dungeons in the game, so it's not easily farmed by just anyone.

[astuce999]

Boro was on the right track.

This is the rare drop from a super rare mob in the hardest non-raid zone on the server.

Insta click EB (should be targettable but right now is bugged)

Best percussion mod (resists, debuffs, dots)

And yes, as Boro said, the fact that it is primary equippable makes all the difference.

You rarely play chant dots? Is it because you either have to commit to only playing those and not meleeing, or the sheer number of clicks you need to do to melee and play those dots at full power is too much to bear? Well with DotB, it's just hovering your mouse over your primary, and when the chant dot is about to land, you click drums in, and then you click them back out. Just like that, max damage, with a simple double click, no melee dps lost.

They are beastly!

Astuce

[Sinadin]

It doesn't increase run speed as we are already at max velocity,

is this true?

[Troxx]

I'm pretty sure that walrus skin drum gets you just underneath maximum velocity. Selos Drum o' the march puts you at the cap.

[Fasttimes]

When epic offhand comes out you'll get drums bonus plus epic bonus at same time. There's no reason to even use a primary weapon. You'll do more with dots +offhand hits plus all the song bonus including resist and oos minus selos.

[sdp00888]

What does oos stand for?

[Fasttimes]

Occlusion of sound. -mr debuff used to help land slow on bosses.

[sdp00888]

I can understand why Dotb would be a sought after item but 200k+ is insane imo

[Fasttimes]

If you done the camp you would understand how Rare.plus dotb plus epic will be better then any weapon.

[Docx]

When epic offhand comes out you'll get drums bonus plus epic bonus at same time. There's no reason to even use a primary weapon. You'll do more with dots +offhand hits plus all the song bonus including resist and oos minus selos.


The wording on this needs to be clarified, im not 100% certain, but to me it would be you can have both equipped, and the highest MOD will work, so 2.6 on say Fulfils, and 1.8 on the 3 other songs you are twisting assuming they aren't percussion.

[Fasttimes]

correct. and thats awesome you can have both drum mod that high and epic for rest of instruments at once.

[Docx]

correct. and thats awesome you can have both drum mod that high and epic for rest of instruments at once.

Meh, I know my vewpoint is mostly for raiding, a little bit with grouping with guildies and rarely for anything else. So it all reverts back to -2 RM, and -3RM, and the -3RM is meaningless since slow will land 99.99999% of the time once any mod% of fulfils lands.

[Fasttimes]

probably so, but outside of raiding, its beautiful, and even then what are you gonna put a kriezen flame in and pretend to dps? outside of raiding atleast youll do more dps with dots with drum and still get bonus's to rest with epic, and still melee swing too!

[Troxx]

Drums are rare enough to fetch the price but it's still not 'worth' the price. It is a luxury item only. They don't mod your dots or debuffs high enough over selos drum. If dps is all oh really care about best to just use raw instruments unless there are multiples in camp.

3 chants
Brass dot/slow
String aoe dots

I used to do this farming seafuries when bored - can twist in 72dps in dots with a store bought horn, maestros lute, and a walrus drum.

As has need discussed in other threads though, there are more useful things we can do with our time and more important songs to load on our bar

[mefdinkins]

If you look at 200k items for a bard... what else are you going to get? I've seen people drop 50k on illusion items, 100k on HE illusion, and wear COFs. You don't need elder beads b/c you can use Singing Steel Helm. I don't want to drop 250k on gaunts that give 50 more hp, or 800k on a mask that gives you 50 more HP than a Eyepatch of Plunder?

I've tried camping this and understand why it's so expensive. It's a pain in the ass, perfect group can Duo it or trio but it's more efficient with 4 or more. The mob is rare and Drums of the Beast aren't dropping left and right.

MH is a great bonus, you can put in Epic or Axe of Resistance in OH to get huge upgrades in stats, makes swapping easier, and has highest mods for damages and OOS etc. Not saying you need to spend 200k on this to rock epic in offhand or make weapon instrument swaps easier... but if you're a strong main bard or high end raider I think it's a strong item and you'll get your moneys' worth with it. I'd put it on same level as ZHeart for most casters (maybe higher priority for necros) or Elder Beads.

I think this may go up in price once Epic works OH but there are only so many bards in the world and only so many bards that can even afford these types of items... so I'm sure it will eventually fall in price. Still though, Selo's Drums still going for 25k after being in game for 1000 years so who knows. Either way... I'd say well worth it for 200k.

[zanderklocke]

I have it and like it. I traded an AoN for the drum + some platinum. I thought it was worth it.

[elwing]

I can understand why Dotb would be a sought after item but 200k+ is insane imo

200K for a BiS?

[Triiz]

DOTB price is definitely headed much lower, imo. Probably closer to 100k in the next 6 months.

There was a guy trying to sell them in EC for at least 3 months, pretty much everyday. There's just not enough demand (new bards hitting 60/bards that have 200k to blow) to sustain that price. The asking price has already dropped 30% from the 300k area in just a few months.

These drums may be rare, but as has been pointed out the mob can be duo'd where as Selo's drums drop off of contested dragons that only spawn once a week, which is likely why Selo's drums price isn't much lower.



Edit: Also, if the SG's nerf ever takes effect here (was supposed to be before Stonebrunt release in timeline) my understanding is the drums will be far easier to obtain, probably crushing the price very quickly. I quit live before SG revamp though so I'm just basing that on old live posts.

[fastboy21]

its hella rare and this is a static server. if you main a bard what else is there for you to drop your plat on?

[Triiz]

DOTB price is definitely headed much lower, imo. Probably closer to 100k in the next 6 months.

Necroing this thread to point out DOTB being advertised in EC for 130k now, about a 70k drop in 30 days.

Making a standing offer of 75k for DOTB. Come on down.

[Fasttimes]

It will flux when epic offhand hits it will raise its less useful till then. If you are playing the ec game by all means enjoy but that is boring af.

[syztem]

just curious, i never bothered with dotb but my bard stays perma at 55 and since no white scales/dragon guts ive never bothered to ask for any help in obtaining them as hes mostly a swarm bot, or spawn checker or general OOR bard to give people a headache in pvp. How much does this effect individual chants and occlusion if anyone has exact numbers? i know its obviously faster selos, but ive chased beast drum bards before, and it takes them a LONG time to get out of range of me, its like a 50 druid chasing a 60 druid with their respective level sows.

[brecon]

There is a movement speed bonus cap. At 60, I believe there is no difference between using Selos or a Beast drum.

The difference is that your Selos increases each level. So a 55 Bard, with DoTB, might run as fast with a 60 Bard with Selos. I'm not sure. But theoretically you can cap your movement speed pre-60, I just don't know what level that is.

This spreadsheet allows you to put in instrument modifier and level, and it spits out the Dot, Reist, etc. damage

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ALoWBAYmrg4MhjpMSlO-SFrZa3n6fvQx_xVFCIDRZGA/edit?hl=en_US&hl=en_US#gid=0) allows you to put in instrument

[Troxx]

Correct a bard hits speed cap with selos drum.

Drums of the beast's biggest advantage is that it can be used primary which allows you to use an offhand. Beyond that it has a superior mod on it for higher damage on chants and (more importantly) stronger ability to modify resists. Once epic mod works in offhand, it will be even better.

That said, I still consider it ridiculously priced. Rare or otherwise, there are simply not enough legitimate high level bard mains with sufficient desire for it to hold its price at this level. Bards without their epic shouldn't be dumping money on this - save for that epic first.

It will continue to drop in price.

[Spyder73]

The grand joke of all EQ is the illusion that gear matters - the entire point of the game is to get new gear right?!?!! Levels outweigh everything to the point where nothing else matters much. The only sh!t that actually changes game play are Regeneration, Haste, and Weapon... and the rest can be filled in with any kind of BS you can find and you'll be just fine due to buffs and levels.

I seriously leveled my Necromancer to 57 with 3/4ths of his gear slots completely empty. Z heart, Tolo robe, filled in the rest as I went along. He is actually getting pretty decently geared now due to PoG armor and picking up stuff while leveling (Hooded Black Cape, Dimadine Earrings, Supple Wrist, Book of Twilight, ect, ect).

But I digress - The only reason these drums are going at this price is mudflation and because there is literally nothing else to spend your money on as a bard (besides epic and click illusions)

[KEWLGET]

pretty sure drums of the beast selo's is faster

it's a pretty big deal on red because of this

[zanderklocke]

pretty sure drums of the beast selo's is faster

it's a pretty big deal on red because of this

If this is true, this is a bug.

[Spyder73]

If this is true, this is a bug.

The titanium client is not wired for 60 being max level so maybe there is something to this....

[Troxx]

Bard speed was capped even after the titanium client and for all expansions thereafter. There should not be a speed difference. If there is, it would likely take a foot race from one side of west karana to the other to see any difference.

I honestly can't tell a difference between my crappy walrus drum and a selos drum in every day use - they're both lightning fast at 60.

[Fasttimes]

As far as I remember cap is 24.6 which is well below dotb but very slightly above selos

[Fasttimes]

https://www.graffe.com/forums/showthread.php?20655-run-speed-data This suggests 25.6 bring cap it's not really old data but still pretty sure it was in between

[syztem]

I feel like drums on red are simply 'overhyped' more so due to drop rate, and farming then anything. On Blue there are probably groups in SG daily I assume? good gems, good exp etc all around. On red its an annoyance, you don't go to SG unless you want gems/cloud shells to stock up on, Or specifically to farm sea spirits. Which I know only a few people have done on and off for red. One IIRC mentioned something like 40 sea spirit kills for 1 or 2 drum sets, about 10-15 swords and a whole lotta junk shields. Using solo sacrifice PH methods. Personally will stick with selos drums considering people want upwards of 400-500k+++ on these.

Only thing I may care about now is a better lute, I still use MM lute because Howler (+1 mod higher) is primary only, and I find swapping offhand/mh while swarming extremely annoying for a mere 2 damage or so extra per dot. Honestly should make them all prim/secondary or something.

The real question is does having say maestro or SW lute make that big of a damage difference? IE i currently do 63/tick on a denons 59 aoe moving. 59 bard friend says he gets 73/moving, havent tried to check what it is sitting still but must be just atad over 100?

[Borak]

I don't have the link handy, but back in the day Thott from Afterlife complained that bard speed never increased from classic. Specifically, you can reach the fastest speed a bard can reach at lvl 50 with a Selo's drum. Once you have a Selo's drum, leveling from 50 to 60 will not increase speed, whereas if you have a drum with a smaller modifier, you will continue to see increases per level until you hit the equivalent of Selo's Drum at 50.

Nvm, I found the link here (http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/movement_cap.php). According to that link, if you're one of those lucky to have a Drums of the Beast, you can hit the bard speed cap at lvl 46.