Enchanter Race

[mev]

Hi all,

I'm considering making an enchanter. My understanding is that charisma is the most important stat and that dark elf hide doesn't matter much after you get a Goblin Gazughi Ring, so High Elf would be the min/max race. Is that correct?

Is there any gear that I would miss out on by being a High Elf? Are there any other considerations? Or are High Elves the clear choice?

Thanks!

[Xaanka]

high elf is good because cha is harder to get on raid gear

stole this post from colgate in the last enchanter race thread

lock & move to resolved boys

[Holyhawk]

Gnomes can see through walls...and that is a significant quality of life improvement over having to memorize and recast Gnome Illusion every 36 minutes while dungeon crawling.

[Endorra]

There's been a lot of arguing over this subject, and as far as I can tell there's no real consensus. I rolled high elf for the base charisma, and I don't mind having to put in the effort for a gg ring and casting gnome as needed when I need to see through walls. I've seen good arguments put forth for erudite base stats too, but I just went for the highest base cha. There are those who say gnomes are best, and those who go on about dark elf hide.

Rather than trying too hard to min/max, think of it as picking the bonuses you're most comfortable with. The differences in stats are not significant when considering the vast array of bonuses available on gear. Literally every race's advantage can be mitigated with planning and gear, should you choose to be different.

But for heaven's sake, go agnostic.

[fugazi]

Erudite. You even get a bonus +5MR.

[Xaanka]

Erudite. You even get a bonus +5MR.

the other good choice, on red
also a clear fashionquest winner

[Qtip]

High elf.
Use taper enchantment (5mana) to break charm until you get goblin ring. You get every race illusion so high elf is the only race to pick. Go all cha and throw the last points into sta.

[Tecmos Deception]

High elf.
Use taper enchantment (5mana) to break charm until you get goblin ring. You get every race illusion so high elf is the only race to pick. Go all cha and throw the last points into sta.

This is why I like high elves. But I think any chanter race is fine. Dark elves hide, high elves best charisma, gnomes dont need to keep recasting gnome illusion for wallhacks and can make their own tinkerer stuff, humans are rare, erudites aren't terrible, etc.

[NegaStoat]

High elf.
Use taper enchantment (5mana) to break charm until you get goblin ring. You get every race illusion so high elf is the only race to pick. Go all cha and throw the last points into sta.

Ever since the cancel magic line of spells was 'corrected' to use the random chance of slot stripping several patches back, taper enchantment is especially NOT reliable in removing charm on a target, and even cancel magic will rarely fail on a single casting.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214114&highlight=taper+enchantment


My personal take on Enchanter race is this. High Elf is the best (highest base charisma, superb cha+int base combo). Dark Elf can only have a 95 starting charisma, but provides Hide which can't be granted by a piece of gear. Some people will want it for extended AFK's. Some won't. It's value comes down to pure personal choice.

Any race can Illusion: Gnome for looking through walls / doors. Some people might want to make their Enchanter the only class they play, and absolutely must have Engineering for their needs out of choice.

Beyond those facts, It's all up to the player.

[mev]

Cool, thanks for all of the advice everyone!

[applesauce25r624]

Gnomes can see through walls...and that is a significant quality of life improvement over having to memorize and recast Gnome Illusion every 36 minutes while dungeon crawling.
better than automatically turning into some pussy ass little gnome every 36 minutes

[Swish]

Cool, thanks for all of the advice everyone!

Kozev - 12 Enchanter (Dark Elf) <Kittens Who Say Meow>

http://i.imgur.com/Wlwe3I6.gif

Excellent choice <3

[mev]

Kozev - 12 Enchanter (Dark Elf) <Kittens Who Say Meow>
Excellent choice <3

This thread was to decide whether or not to remake Kozev as a high elf ;)

[Kotopes]

I went erudite for better looks, high int and 2nd best cha. Great starting area (Warrens, Erud's Crossing) for 1-20 too. Apparently HIE are still best min/max however, but the only difference is 10 cha, and you can sacrifice some of that int gear for +hp on erudite.

Some would say human is 2nd highest cha but their int is only 85. I'd roll one but ERU are much human like anyway.

[Canelek]

Dark Elf for crap starting area and ++ fashion.

- Malite

[nostalgiaquest]

dark elf all day. Every now and then taper doesn't work and having that hide hotkey can be nice. Or if you're grouped and dont' have taper or invis memed and want to break a pet.

Also high elves are just ugly as shit. Yeah you're an enchanter and you can change illusions, but deep down you'll know what you are. Also you'll get lazy and stop illusioning after a while, so it's best to be a bad ass by default.

Also also, inherent ultravision is nice.

[pasi]

If you ain't roleplaying a black man using trickery to sleep with elf women, you're doing something wrong.

[Samoht]

dark elf all day. Every now and then taper doesn't work and having that hide hotkey can be nice. Or if you're grouped and dont' have taper or invis memed and want to break a pet.

This is not a reliable method to break charm. At all. The Goblin Gazughi Ring is the answer here, not racial hide. Racial hide has such a low skill cap that it's success rate is unreliable, and it has a huge refresh time, so you're waiting a long time just for a second chance to use it that still won't guarantee success.

The GGR on the other hand is going to be 100% reliable and instant charm break. Do not rely on racial hide.

There is one benefit to racial hide, and it has nothing to do with breaking charm. It has an infinite time duration, whereas improved invis only lasts 10 minutes. You cannot move, but you can sit and med AFK as long as it is in an area without undead or see-invis mobs.

Of course, you can always just AFK as long as you wish by camping out as an alternative, but then racial hide would not have any perks left.

[Canelek]

This is not a reliable method to break charm. At all. The Goblin Gazughi Ring is the answer here, not racial hide. Racial hide has such a low skill cap that it's success rate is unreliable, and it has a huge refresh time, so you're waiting a long time just for a second chance to use it that still won't guarantee success.

The GGR on the other hand is going to be 100% reliable and instant charm break. Do not rely on racial hide.

There is one benefit to racial hide, and it has nothing to do with breaking charm. It has an infinite time duration, whereas improved invis only lasts 10 minutes. You cannot move, but you can sit and med AFK as long as it is in an area without undead or see-invis mobs.

Of course, you can always just AFK as long as you wish by camping out as an alternative, but then racial hide would not have any perks left.

Absolutely true. I have around a 30% success rate, and it is streaky as all hell. I should just go spend more time at that camp. I've only invested a couple hours. Alternatively, I could just pop HGs and buy one.

Only 37, but that ring would be awesome to have from the getgo. So many pet mobs lost due to hide fails or slow invis/IVU/dispell casting. Save them dollars...

-Malite [FOH]

[totmanc]

Thread has miss information Erudite has best stats when blended no other race comes close.

That being said I made Dark elf Work just fine
http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Red:Strut

[mickmoranis]

DE is the best becuse everyone else is a beta cuck with no imagination.

Euridite gets second place because tho I dont get it, i appreciate your need to pretend to be a black man, if you are a beta 90lb white kid.

[Samoht]

That being said I made Dark elf Work just fine
http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Red:Strut

This is a good illustration to why CHA is the only stat that matters when creating your Enchanter. Very nice raid gear, but CHA is just barely over 200 self-buffed.

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "blended" though. If you mean "STA + INT + CHA" combined, then Erudite does look very nice. But the CHA is still 10 less than a High Elf, and CHA is the only stat that matters. Also, any Enchanter race in your gear would still have 255 INT, so it shouldn't be considered at all.

[mickmoranis]

Hey guys, can one of you root that my charm might br-DEAD ENCHANTER FULL RAID GEAR

who cares, fuck up you gon die anyway 5 innate sta/cha whatever aint going to make a dif.

DE or you're a 90 lb osteoporosis teva sandal wearing beta IRL

[totmanc]

This is a good illustration to why CHA is the only stat that matters when creating your Enchanter. Very nice raid gear, but CHA is just barely over 200 self-buffed.

Yeah Except I literally swap out 4 pieces of gear and can have max cha.. and still 255 int my gear is set to resist because I play on red99. The blended stats STA CHA INT for erudite was what i was talking about being better.

[Samoht]

Yeah Except I literally swap out 4 pieces of gear and can have max cha.. and still 255 int my gear is set to resist because I play on red99. The blended stats STA CHA INT for erudite was what i was talking about being better.

Oh, I was a little confused by your focus on resists, but for some reason, I didn't think people still played on red, so I thought maybe you were a crazy melee Enchanter that I had never heard of by name.

I noticed you only had one piece of CHA gear in your inventory, and you still weren't capped by wearing that. I don't know how often I'd want to have to remember to switch four different pieces, though.

Since you're on red, Erudite (for the STA+MR) or Dark Elf (for the hide) could still be as good as High Elf depending on the situation, but obviously require extra consideration when selecting gear.

For either race, though, the starting INT is almost entirely irrelevant.

[mickmoranis]

ignoring me dont make me wrong.

[Samoht]

It's the little things that separate a good player from complete trash.

Yeah, like how only the trash plays on red.