Plane of Hate : Loot Rights List

[spanky_kc]

Selling the loot rights of the following items :

Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth (Epic Mage item) - 500k/obo
Staff of Elemental Mastery: Fire - 25k/obo
Shattered Emerald of Corruption MQ or Loot rights - 60k/obo
Hate Crystal - 150k/obo
Rod of Infinite Thought - 15k/obo
Rakusha Cloak - 40k/obo
Sode of Empowerment 25k/obo
Tainted Darksteel Breastplate MQ - 10k
Decrepit Hide MQ - 10k
Encyclopedia Necrotheurgia - 150k/obo
Healer's Earring - 10k/obo
Crown of Hatred - 30k/obo
Teir'Dal Sai(Looks like vulak dagger) - 35k/obo

DRUID ARMOR :
Sandals of Harmony - offer
Wristguard of Harmony - offer
Hauberk of Harmony - 35k/obo
Gloves of Harmony - offer
Greaves of Harmony - 15k/obo
Crown of Harmony - offer
Vambraces of Harmony - offer

[SoekiWiz]

You have my attention sir

[spanky_kc]

Bump

[spanky_kc]

Updated List :

Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth (Epic Mage item) - 500k/obo
Staff of Elemental Mastery: Fire - 25k/obo
Shattered Emerald of Corruption MQ or Loot rights - 60k/obo
Hate Crystal - 150k/obo
Rod of Infinite Thought - 15k/obo
Rakusha Cloak - 40k/obo
Sode of Empowerment 25k/obo
Tainted Darksteel Breastplate MQ - 10k
Decrepit Hide MQ - 10k
Encyclopedia Necrotheurgia - 150k/obo
Healer's Earring - 10k/obo
Crown of Hatred - 30k/obo
Teir'Dal Sai(Looks like vulak dagger) - 35k/obo
**Silverleaf Girdle - 100k / obo
**Mantle of Study - 15k / obo
**Revultant Whip - 10k

DRUID ARMOR :
Sandals of Harmony - offer
Wristguard of Harmony - offer
Hauberk of Harmony - 35k/obo
Gloves of Harmony - offer
Greaves of Harmony - 15k/obo
Crown of Harmony - offer
Vambraces of Harmony - offer

[spanky_kc]

bumps

[reevesz]

So you must be the people screwing over every guild who's only reason to go to Hate is to achieve their epic or gear out their personnel when Aftermath already has Best in Slot items? So you perma-camp (monopolize) the minis to fill up your plat to buy what? I do not understand the etiquette you are trying to show.

[spanky_kc]

I can understand where you are coming from. But there are items not on this list that I/my friends need that we are not selling.

[reevesz]

Only item not listed is the Slowstone Amber(sells for ~5k in EC LOL), which I am sure any guild will give up for you in order for a chance for their epic pieces. I know from the past experiences up there, Aftermath has solely been killing the minis. Even pulling past the raid while they are clearing to that said Miniboss. Other guilds and I have seen certain individual Aftermath personnel log on every 8 hours clearing minis and antagonizing the raiding guild who were already there in hopes of getting their loots. Even when you kill the mini, you auction off the loot rights to the raiding guild. If that is not farming, then I have no clue what you are trying to actually accomplish.

[Alde]

Slowstone Amber(sells for ~5k in EC LOL)

Really? I take 2 right now.

[Ella`Ella]

Really? I take 2 right now.

I will also take 2.

[Portsche]

...Slowstone Amber(sells for ~5k in EC LOL)...

Really? Sounds kind of cheap to me.

WTS Slowstone Ambers, 30k each. Not kidding.

[spanky_kc]

Updated List :
**Slowstone Amber - 20k / obo
Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth (Epic Mage item) - 500k/obo
Staff of Elemental Mastery: Fire - 25k/obo
Shattered Emerald of Corruption MQ or Loot rights - 60k/obo
Hate Crystal - 150k/obo
Rod of Infinite Thought - 15k/obo
Rakusha Cloak - 40k/obo
Sode of Empowerment 25k/obo
Tainted Darksteel Breastplate MQ - 10k
Decrepit Hide MQ - 10k
Encyclopedia Necrotheurgia - 150k/obo
Healer's Earring - 10k/obo
Crown of Hatred - 30k/obo
Teir'Dal Sai(Looks like vulak dagger) - 35k/obo
**Silverleaf Girdle - 100k / obo
**Mantle of Study - 15k / obo
**Revultant Whip - 10k

DRUID ARMOR :
Sandals of Harmony - offer
Wristguard of Harmony - offer
Hauberk of Harmony - 35k/obo
Gloves of Harmony - offer
Greaves of Harmony - 15k/obo
Crown of Harmony - offer
Vambraces of Harmony - offer

[Mindboggle]

Purchased a Silverleaf Belt from this group. Excellent group of people. Helped me get from zone-in to the corpse clean for the loot. THANK YOU!

[reevesz]

Saw a post on here from Runningfrenzy who said the same thing (which coincidentally got removed)

[Thugnuts]

I'll buy the Earth staff, but only if you're also selling some lubrication so I can shove it all the way up your cunty ass.

[Nuggie]

Replying
When replying to another's thread, you may not:
Comment on the price of the item in such a way to challenge the fairness of the sale.
Offer your own items for sale under a WTS thread or link to any other thread selling items.


Don't get banned friends.

[spanky_kc]

@Hackattack what are you even talking about....Do you just love to lie/slander and be a forum troll? Multiple people have enjoy getting great loot so far.

[reevesz]

Best part is these guys port/log in on top of you in Hate and start training you immediately.

They're super nice dudes once you hand them 100k though apparently! Free bump!

Other guilds have noticed this as well.

[Thugnuts]

@Hackattack what are you even talking about....Do you just love to lie/slander and be a forum troll? Multiple people have enjoy getting great loot so far.

What? You trained us over and over again on our last Hate raid and then had the nerve to talk shit to US, a small guild legitimately raiding that zone. When we said enough and wouldn't rez you, you TRAINED US SOME MORE.

All you do is camp out in Hate and log on to kill all the good mini-bosses when they spawn so that small raiding guilds can't complete content or enjoy the zone the way it's meant to be enjoyed.

Ohhh but we can buy the content and privilege from YOU for half a million plat??

Anyone who buys anything from you is a CHUMP. Anyone who has even an OUNCE of respect for themselves or this server would tell you to take those pixels and stick them right up your ass, like I did.

[Rang]

Boycott this group and do not support their asshat-edry in Plane of Hate. They are monopolizing a super nostalgic raid zone for greed.

[botrainer]

Agreed to lock down a raid zone for their epic drops and rare loots seems dangerous, and smells of RMT. Buyer beware.

[Gafador]

Yeah this is terrible and I'm not sure why it's allowed. Talk about ruining the experience this project is meant to give its players.

[Utmost]

Can we get this moved to Monopolized Content or Try Harder please?

[Raev]

Really? Sounds kind of cheap to me.

WTS Slowstone Ambers, 30k each. Not kidding.

WTF

do these not drop any more or something?

[spanky_kc]

I don't see how this is any different then guilds selling Vindi Loot rights, Ring War items, NtoV items, and the list goes on. Don't hate the player hate the game.

In regards to the training. I have a nice fraps of clue *trying* to train us but failing and then wiping to their own train @ zone in. Was quite a delight to watch.

[Thugnuts]

In regards to the training. I have a nice fraps of clue *trying* to train us but failing and then wiping to their own train @ zone in. Was quite a delight to watch.

Post it up right here.

[reevesz]

I don't see how this is any different then guilds selling Vindi Loot rights, Ring War items, NtoV items, and the list goes on. Don't hate the player hate the game.

In regards to the training. I have a nice fraps of clue *trying* to train us but failing and then wiping to their own train @ zone in. Was quite a delight to watch.

Vindi, Ring War, and NToV are primarily handled by which guilds? Awakened, Rustle, Aftermath, and possibly Anonymous. None of those events prevents a guild from accomplishing their epic pieces and can be monopolized like you are doing in Hate.

Again, there are multiple guilds on this server that are saying the same related matter being discussed here. You and your fellow teammates do not show etiquette to the raid that are there trying to get their pieces. You are disrupting the work of that guild. Disrupting the zone by pulling through the raid (possibly training) to get to the miniboss. You're ruining the reputation of Aftermath. You antagonize, grief, and show poor etiquette to the game for your own benefit.

I can understand where you are coming from. But there are items not on this list that I/my friends need that we are not selling.



Not to mention in a previous post, you state that you are there for one item for you or your friend yet you have listed every item the minis drop for sale. What exact item are you looking for? Is it that much beneficial to you to prevent raiders who have been there (well before you log on) for hours trying to make their guild better?

[Masakizt]

Lots of tears from over privileged nerds in this thread.

These guys raid hate, just like you guys raid hate.
You take up 3 to 4 times the people they do, which is obv harder for you to get organise. Learn to play and perhaps you could take a tight knit crew up and get your items.

Its not their fault they are doing more with less.

You girls should have been around during kunark.. you'd consider yourselves lucky now.

Quit stinking up this guys thread.

Also PM'd you about the Necro book. Do I get money off for defending your thread? :)

[mattydef]

I'm surprised the guy above me was able to type so well with two aftermath dicks in his hands.

[Thugnuts]

Lots of tears from over privileged nerds in this thread.

These guys raid hate, just like you guys raid hate.
You take up 3 to 4 times the people they do, which is obv harder for you to get organise. Learn to play and perhaps you could take a tight knit crew up and get your items.

Its not their fault they are doing more with less.

You girls should have been around during kunark.. you'd consider yourselves lucky now.

Quit stinking up this guys thread.

Also PM'd you about the Necro book. Do I get money off for defending your thread? :)

You're one of them. Don't come in here playing like you're an unbiased third party opinion wanting to buy shit. I saw you there.

[Masakizt]

Uh? I was there looting their cleric rots because they good peoples.

[Thugnuts]

Uh? I was there looting their cleric rots because they good peoples.

There are no other EC Tunnel threads with 4 pages of people risking bans just to tell the OP to fuck off.

Good peoples, indeed.

[Dreenk317]

Lots of tears from over privileged nerds in this thread.

These guys raid hate, just like you guys raid hate.
You take up 3 to 4 times the people they do, which is obv harder for you to get organise. Learn to play and perhaps you could take a tight knit crew up and get your items.

Its not their fault they are doing more with less.

You girls should have been around during kunark.. you'd consider yourselves lucky now.

Quit stinking up this guys thread.

Also PM'd you about the Necro book. Do I get money off for defending your thread? :)


They raid hate a little differently if there pulling through other groups established camps.as was mentioned. I've never done that when I raid hate.

[spanky_kc]

I understand Clue does not like Aftermath, but they are upset about Ragefires and other things that I have no clue about. The logs of how they talk/treat people is just plain disgusting and why anyone would ever join Clue is beyond me. But...We love you all!

[reevesz]

I understand Clue does not like Aftermath, but they are upset about Ragefires and other things that I have no clue about. The logs of how they talk/treat people is just plain disgusting and why anyone would ever join Clue is beyond me. But...We love you all!

Let us not steer away from the actual problem at hand. The problem at hand is a group of Aftermath monopolizing Hate Minis for their own personal gains/RMT. Not some guild feud.

[Dreenk317]

Let us not steer away from the actual problem at hand. The problem at hand is a group of Aftermath monopolizing Hate Minis for their own personal gains/RMT. Not some guild feud.


Why does everyone automatically jump on the "a level 60 is farming something they don't need so it must be for RMT, there's no like no possible other reason" train? Do you have any proof that he's after anything more than plat? No.

[reevesz]

Why does everyone automatically jump on the "a level 60 is farming something they don't need so it must be for RMT, there's no like no possible other reason" train? Do you have any proof that he's after anything more than plat? No.

Do you have any proof that it's not for RMT? Negative

Noone knows, can only assume. Best in slot characters after plat to purchase what? Very curious indeed

[Karate]

Entitlement

[botrainer]

Do you have any proof that it's not for RMT? Negative

Noone knows, can only assume. Best in slot characters after plat to purchase what? Very curious indeed

The sums up this whole thread lol. lvl 60s with lots of BiS items camping out in Hate to sell loot rights for 50 to 500k what could a small crew possibly need? It's the little things like these threads that has made the "top end raiding" un-pleasurable for any causal players on this server.

[Comcastic]

you all should move to phinny with BDA if you don't like competition and want participation trophies

[Karate]

Everyone that dislikes what aftermath is doing in hate should just focus your attention on getting ftes on actual aftermath raid targets and giving the fte rights to awakened or other guilds

[randyn1080]

I see sirfloppin is still anon, guess hes still living up there...

[reevesz]

you all should move to phinny with BDA if you don't like competition and want participation trophies

So how is it competition when a raid force is already in Hate clearing minis and you gentlemen (Uyan, Carnac, Sirfloppin, Osbat, Alino, Walmarts, among a few others) pull thru the raid? How is it your monks flop the mobs onto our monks that are pulling, preventing them from the Minis? Again, there has been numerous complaints about you and your crew here. Perception is 9/10th of the law. Consensus is all agreeing on what you guys are doing and yet you gentlemen are sitting there acting like you are doing no harm. Your "ego", "arrogance", or whatever you want to call it is obscuring what the issue is.

Because this is not a FTE, you claim as a normal camp. Plane of Hate is a raid zone, a stepping stone for guilds for bettering themselves and further preparing them for even more raid targets. Yet you gentlemen have no game etiquette of the game, and oblivious that you are disrupting the raid/zone. Does Detoxx know of this and the reputation you are giving his guild name? A guild leader/officers would put all stop if a guild member(s) is causing a bad reputation to their guild name.

Aftermath handles NToV mobs, or raid targets of the like. Aftermath has better priorities than to camp Hate or Plane of Sky Nobles. You do not see Awakened doing these things, or stooping to that level, do you?

[Portsche]

Really? Sounds kind of cheap to me.

WTS Slowstone Ambers, 30k each. Not kidding.WTF

do these not drop any more or something?

LOL, I have no clue if they drop or not. I assume they do. I just wanted to toss in my own sarcastic response to someone whining. I do have a couple extra ones lying around, and would definitely sell them for 30k each. That being said, anyone who would pay that much for them is (for lack of a better term) retarded.

[spanky_kc]

It must be shocking to some, that people in Aftermath actually want to play EQ and do fun stuff outside of raiding ToV. Challenging content with small #'s and whatever slander you talk about us training is pure lies. Please show me any evidence of us training you. If you want to see guilds that train you should of tuned in when AG/FoH/Us were in the zone and AG was training everyone left and right. If you are not looking to buy items please go make a rants and flames post and leave this thread to people that actually want these items instead of asking for tissues and diapers.

[Welmet]

I don't personally have a problem with any of this, but if you expect people to think you're a swell guy for having a lock on quest drops they want then you're in for a shocker. You can follow the rules and still be shitty. You're free to do anything you want, and people are free to hate you for it. No one buys the "well in 2013 so and so trained me" bit because most of the server doesn't participate in the absurd rules lawyering that goes on at the top end and don't wanna hear it.

[Thugnuts]

It must be shocking to some, that people in Aftermath actually want to play EQ and do fun stuff outside of raiding ToV. Challenging content with small #'s and whatever slander you talk about us training is pure lies. Please show me any evidence of us training you. If you want to see guilds that train you should of tuned in when AG/FoH/Us were in the zone and AG was training everyone left and right. If you are not looking to buy items please go make a rants and flames post and leave this thread to people that actually want these items instead of asking for tissues and diapers.

Bottom line here is that members of your guild have been disrupting legit Hate raids for about ten months now. At least, ten months ago is the first time it happened to me. You're not doing it for the challenge or the fun. You weren't there doing it before the revamp. You're only there now to fuck with people and disrupt their raids, talk shit, and monopolize content so that you can sell it back to people for a profit.

If me or anyone else on this thread did the same thing in another zone, the GMs would kick our teeth in. Even hinting in another thread at doing something this retarded got me a veiled warning as my first response.

I don't see anyone else doing this, just you guys. Why members of your specific guild get a pass to shit on people and disrupt zones, raids, and content without question or consequence, I do not know. I do know that your claptrap about having fun and challenging content is diversionary horseshit.

[Maner]

Bottom line here is that members of your guild have been disrupting legit Hate raids for about ten months now. At least, ten months ago is the first time it happened to me. You're not doing it for the challenge or the fun. You weren't there doing it before the revamp. You're only there now to fuck with people and disrupt their raids, talk shit, and monopolize content so that you can sell it back to people for a profit.

If me or anyone else on this thread did the same thing in another zone, the GMs would kick our teeth in. Even hinting in another thread at doing something this retarded got me a veiled warning as my first response.

I don't see anyone else doing this, just you guys. Why members of your specific guild get a pass to shit on people and disrupt zones, raids, and content without question or consequence, I do not know. I do know that your claptrap about having fun and challenging content is diversionary horseshit.

10 months ago was a different group of people actually, i think Uyan is the only one from that group. And even then, no one ever trained you or your "raids". you would port up 3 groups at once and promptly die to the break in then cry and ask for a rez, which we provided multiple times. There was also a good 7 month break between when these groups formed and decided to go to hate.

There is no rule that one guild gets to claim plane of hate like you can plain of sky. If the minis is up and not in your camp then your monks need to be faster with the pulls. I personally think the prices are extremely high, most of the items arent worth the price. But none of them are doing anything you yourselves cant do if you felt like it.

[waltjig]

I wanted to interject for a moment to remind everyone that this is still an emulated server from 1999.

Have a good day at work tomorrow!

[FreshPrinceOfP99]

Ya'll complaining because you can't afford it, go farm plat.

[Teako]

I think these prices are great, and it's exciting to see people going to Hate again.


Make Hate Great Again!

[Fragged]

1. Pulling a single mob, with no adds, past other people and then killing said mob is not training.

2. Your monks following our monks around and trying to snipe the nameds (that we cleared the PHs for 8 hours earlier, and therefor have the timers on) - Then complaining that you get adds on you IS NOT TRAINING.

3. We have been nothing but respectfull, and even ressing people, helping out, coordinating in OOC so as to be out of anyones hair AND even passing up loot.

4. Dispite what you might think, it IS challenging and FUN to learn how to min max a "new zone" (since we haven't spent much time in hate), and for us it's a welcome change to standing on an FTE line.

5. Since we spend 99% of our time raiding we don't usually have time to earn platinum, and even though we may not need items on our mains (and this may come as a shock to you) we do enjoy playing a twinked toon as much as the next person. I will remind you that the richest people on this server aren't the hardcore raiders, but the "casuals" that instead of raiding spend all their time building and managing their massive fortune of platinum.

[Ikon]

1. Pulling a single mob, with no adds, past other people and then killing said mob is not training.

2. Your monks following our monks around and trying to snipe the nameds (that we cleared the PHs for 8 hours earlier, and therefor have the timers on) - Then complaining that you get adds on you IS NOT TRAINING.

3. We have been nothing but respectfull, and even ressing people, helping out, coordinating in OOC so as to be out of anyones hair AND even passing up loot.
That still doesn't explain why you'd be in a guild capable of obtaining BiS items and monopolizing these very trivial mobs. Since you have BiS what could you possibly need so desperately that you'd be (1) giving your guild an awful name (2) hiking the price of these items to such ridiculous levels?

Its not rocket science for some people to put two and two together and figure what you need is probably next weeks rent. No offence.

[Fragged]

I guess you missed my last two points, I wrote the post over a couple of edits.

4. Dispite what you might think, it IS challenging and FUN to learn how to min max a "new zone" (since we haven't spent much time in hate), and for us it's a welcome change to standing on an FTE line.

5. Since we spend 99% of our time raiding we don't usually have time to earn platinum, and even though we may not need items on our mains (and this may come as a shock to you) we do enjoy playing a twinked toon as much as the next person. I will remind you that the richest people on this server aren't the hardcore raiders, but the "casuals" that instead of raiding spend all their time building and managing their massive fortune of platinum.

[Fragged]

Its not rocket science for some people to put two and two together and figure what you need is probably next weeks rent. No offence.

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, what is the saying "a thief thinks everyone steals"? (English is not my native language).

It's a common misconception that raiders don't have jobs, almost all of us do. I myself am a lawyer, and I can tell you that if I needed help with rent, selling platinum in a 17 year old elf-simulator just wouldn't cut it.

[Old Prexus]

I legitimately wonder how some of the players on here function in the real world. Those of them lucky enough to find sex most likely have panic attacks, mid fuck, about the spawn cycle of some monster.

[Ikon]

I guess you missed my last two points, I wrote the post over a couple of edits.

4. Dispite what you might think, it IS challenging and FUN to learn how to min max a "new zone" (since we haven't spent much time in hate), and for us it's a welcome change to standing on an FTE line.

5. Since we spend 99% of our time raiding we don't usually have time to earn platinum, and even though we may not need items on our mains (and this may come as a shock to you) we do enjoy playing a twinked toon as much as the next person. I will remind you that the richest people on this server aren't the hardcore raiders, but the "casuals" that instead of raiding spend all their time building and managing their massive fortune of platinum.
Thing is though on live we we're killing Vindi with 2 groups in Velious, we got him to 65% with a single group at one stage but I think we were in Luclin at that stage although we had no soulfires as well, we failed because cleric went oom. What I'm saying is there's no way what you're doing is challenging if you're in BiS gear and in NTov / ST. Its just farming if we're being honest.

I legitimately wonder how some of the players on here function in the real world. Those of them lucky enough to find sex most likely have panic attacks, mid fuck, about the spawn cycle of some monster.
Yeah. Understand the condition though. At once stage I was farming Lodizal as an enchanter (could charm that little gnome on the docks in IC) and had my alarms set for him, was getting up at like 2am, 3am, taking breaks at work to login... pretty insane looking back.

[Thugnuts]

10 months ago was a different group of people actually, i think Uyan is the only one from that group. And even then, no one ever trained you or your "raids". you would port up 3 groups at once and promptly die to the break in then cry and ask for a rez, which we provided multiple times. There was also a good 7 month break between when these groups formed and decided to go to hate.

There is no rule that one guild gets to claim plane of hate like you can plain of sky. If the minis is up and not in your camp then your monks need to be faster with the pulls. I personally think the prices are extremely high, most of the items arent worth the price. But none of them are doing anything you yourselves cant do if you felt like it.

What guild are you even talking about? There's people from multiple guilds weighing in here, and they're all saying the same thing about having their raids disrupted, getting trained, etc. I think you might have rezed me once, back in the day, that's true. How benevolent and gratious of you, permitting us to kill trash mobs while you snipe all the real targets, log out for 8 hours, and come back again.

Anyway, I hear what you're saying. Ten months ago it was a mostly DIFFERENT group of Aftermath scumbags doing the same thing that other Aftermath scumbags are still doing today, so it's A-OK. Gotcha.

I've said what I wanted to say here. You can resume your auction now, congrats on your Earth staff. $3 per 1k, that's $1500 you guys can cash out in your RMT money laundering operation.

[Fragged]

Thing is though on live we we're killing Vindi with 2 groups in Velious, we got him to 65% with a single group at one stage but I think we were in Luclin at that stage although we had no soulfires as well, we failed because cleric went oom. What I'm saying is there's no way what you're doing is challenging if you're in BiS gear and in NTov / ST. Its just farming if we're being honest.

Of course it's farming. It's fun and challenging farming. Finding out how to do Hate with down to 3 people is a fun challenge. Maybe not for a skilled player like you, since you seemingly have already mastered this, and only by pure choice chose to bring multiple groups of people and wipe to trash.

You mention Vindi, and I'm sure we could all come up with tons of fun things to do with low amount of people, but my bet is that if we had chosen to start farming Vindi, or anything else for that matter, you would be right in here complaining again.

[eudaimonia_etc]

Given the controversy, it seems the mini's should be subject to the rules usually governing raid mobs:

Intentional training will be severely disciplined.
Guilds are encouraged to work out disputes among themselves before involving the staff.
All raid mobs provide an "FTE Shout" that show what guild has engaged. Kill stealing will be severely disciplined.
Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.
To encourage competitive racing, guilds may not camp players out in the vicinity of raid targets.
Invulnerability spells used on engagement may only be for mechanic strategies, and may not be used to stall engagement.

If racing is the way we deal with parsing out contested raid content, then a racing/no poop-socking requirement should be introduced here.

[botrainer]

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, what is the saying "a thief thinks everyone steals"? (English is not my native language).

It's a common misconception that raiders don't have jobs, almost all of us do. I myself am a lawyer, and I can tell you that if I needed help with rent, selling platinum in a 17 year old elf-simulator just wouldn't cut it.

Lol Aftermath members claiming to be attorney's yet find the time to randomly pop up into hate, in a 17 year old game, on a server that is trying to emulate that said zone in a state as it was sum 15 years ago to clear minis; day or night. That's a shame our attorney's actually worry themselves with these sorts of things. Oh, also finding time standing on "FTE lines" day and night, put in an overwhelming number of hours to get BIS items for months on end. No wonder our fucking justice system, it's laws, and whole governing body has gone to shit. They're on this emulation server rather than actually doing their jobs!

What will an Aftermath member say next!?

What it boils down to is this; stop being douche bags; let others clear hate; stop pulling over other raids; and stop acting like you guys don't play dirty to snipe mini's.

[Fragged]

Lol Aftermath members claiming to be attorney's yet find the time to randomly pop up into hate, in a 17 year old game, on a server that is trying to emulate that said zone in a state as it was sum 15 years ago to clear minis; day or night. That's a shame our attorney's actually worry themselves with these sorts of things. Oh, also finding time standing on "FTE lines" day and night, put in an overwhelming number of hours to get BIS items for months on end. No wonder our fucking justice system, it's laws, and whole governing body has gone to shit. They're on this emulation server rather than actually doing their jobs!

What will an Aftermath member say next!?

What it boils down to is this; stop being douche bags; let others clear hate; stop pulling over other raids; and stop acting like you guys don't play dirty to snipe mini's.

You seem like a nice person.

[Fifield]

ahhh the QQ is great, even got ol Botrainer to come and QQ .

P99 has never been about casuals getting epics/gear, if you want the earth staff so bad mages, form up a team and race these guys to the mini's, crying about it on the forums isnt going to get you anywhere.

On the trader side of things, i'd pay 4-500k anyday for a mage epic on p99. So free bump to your sales

[Maner]

What guild are you even talking about? There's people from multiple guilds weighing in here, and they're all saying the same thing about having their raids disrupted, getting trained, etc. I think you might have rezed me once, back in the day, that's true. How benevolent and gratious of you, permitting us to kill trash mobs while you snipe all the real targets, log out for 8 hours, and come back again.

Anyway, I hear what you're saying. Ten months ago it was a mostly DIFFERENT group of Aftermath scumbags doing the same thing that other Aftermath scumbags are still doing today, so it's A-OK. Gotcha.

I've said what I wanted to say here. You can resume your auction now, congrats on your Earth staff. $3 per 1k, that's $1500 you guys can cash out in your RMT money laundering operation.

I haven't been in hate in months actually, if you could take the time to get a clue and comprehend what I wrote. Shit there were times that we would be clearing hate with 3-4 people for 9+ hours for the hell of it, finding out every possible ph, and farming 2nd floor drops for alts. It's really a shame that you feel so entitled that you blame the people killing place holders for showing up to kill the named spawns 8 hours later.

While I was personally up there it was mostly clue and fires of heaven that would show up and try to contest. The funny thing is that they would usually start porting up after the group I was with had already been on killing stuff for 4+ hours. Those minis you are going after wouldn't even be up if these groups weren't killing the phs. I mean you know how the hate minis work right? You call people scumbags because they can do something you can't and you're upset about it?

Funny that you accuse others of RMT while you're the one quoting exchange rates. Perhaps the gms should look into your account a little more closely. If you actually understood how they are farming it, you would realize your claims of BiS fear making it possible are laughable. Necro shm monk or chanter shm monk is all you need to clear hate.

The prices are too high, with that said, why you no invite me Uyan?

[Ella`Ella]

ahhh the QQ is great, even got ol Botrainer to come and QQ .

P99 has never been about casuals getting epics/gear, if you want the earth staff so bad mages, form up a team and race these guys to the mini's, crying about it on the forums isnt going to get you anywhere.

On the trader side of things, i'd pay 4-500k anyday for a mage epic on p99. So free bump to your sales

For what's it worth - Earth Staff used to sell for 900k-1.2M plat. The fact that this service exists has dropped the price by ~50% making it far more accessible to players than it ever was.

[BallzDeep]

I thought the point of a no drop item is that it isn't supposed to be sold. Good thing greedy bastards figured out a long time ago that you can still manipulate that somehow.

I mean you know how the hate minis work right? You call people scumbags because they can do something you can't and you're upset about it?

Sums up this thread. Elitists with Dunning-Krueger feel other people "can't" sit on a video game for extended periods of time. You'd probably be right because most of us aren't "lawyers."

The answers are:
Is what they are doing ok to P99 staff? Yes
Are they probably greedy assholes looking to RMT? Yes, see redguides.
Should these items be sold? Probably not.


There are so many other ways to farm platinum other than selling no drops. This screams RMT. BTW I'm in none of these guilds, just like calling out RMTers when I see them.

[TripleLegit]

Judging by the comments on this thread I am significantly less excited to try my hand at raiding on this server.

[Ella`Ella]

I hardly think this reeks of RMT. Consider the only real expensive item here is the Earth Staff MQ, which they might average a couple of those a month, plus how illiquid the item is (not a lot of people throwing 500k around to buy it).

Also consider they are probably having to split the proceeds 5-6 ways depending on group size. If one of every single item they have listed drops except the Earth Staff they're only making about 100k each. And, the odds of all of those items dropping in a single week aren't that high. Also, you'll need to consider that they would have to have a buyer lined up and available to sell some of the more expensive items (Encyclopedia, Rakusa Cloak, Hate Crystal, etc...)

It's probably not much more profitable on average than camping fungi king for days on end.

[Nixtar]

Judging by the comments on this thread I am significantly less excited to try my hand at raiding on this server.

That's the desired effect.

But who are we to question these neckbearded gods of Doritos and Mountain Dew? Clearly, these acts of benevolence, shielding us from the Plane of Hate, is for our own good! Indeed, we should shower them in earthly currency in hopes for their divine rewards.

[Maner]

I thought the point of a no drop item is that it isn't supposed to be sold. Good thing greedy bastards figured out a long time ago that you can still manipulate that somehow.



Sums up this thread. Elitists with Dunning-Krueger feel other people "can't" sit on a video game for extended periods of time. You'd probably be right because most of us aren't "lawyers."

The answers are:
Is what they are doing ok to P99 staff? Yes
Are they probably greedy assholes looking to RMT? Yes, see redguides.
Should these items be sold? Probably not.


There are so many other ways to farm platinum other than selling no drops. This screams RMT. BTW I'm in none of these guilds, just like calling out RMTers when I see them.

Understanding how the mobs you are going after work and how to spawn them isn't being elitist. The minis all have phs and different places that they can spawn. The respawn on those place holders is 8 hours. How often doesclue go up to hate to clear out those place holders? Or do they just have a tracker that sees a magi is up after another group took the time to clear the placeholders?

Seems really petty to be upset at the people reaping the benefits of spending hours clearing place holders just because they spawned a named you want. Seems like the only reason you think they are RMTing is because you personally couldn't afford what you want. Making ignorant assumptions from a place of ignorance just confirms that you're butt hurt.

[spanky_kc]

**Slowstone Amber - 15k / obo
Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth (Epic Mage item) - 500k/obo
Staff of Elemental Mastery: Fire - 25k/obo
Shattered Emerald of Corruption MQ or Loot rights - 50k/obo
Hate Crystal - 150k/obo
Rod of Infinite Thought - 15k/obo
Rakusha Cloak - 40k/obo
Sode of Empowerment 25k/obo
Tainted Darksteel Breastplate MQ - 10k
Decrepit Hide MQ - 10k
Encyclopedia Necrotheurgia - 150k/obo
Healer's Earring - 10k/obo
Crown of Hatred - 30k/obo
Teir'Dal Sai(Looks like vulak dagger) - 35k/obo
**Silverleaf Girdle - 100k / obo
**Mantle of Study - 15k / obo
**Revultant Whip - 10k

[Chriskofer]

You're ruining the reputation of Aftermath.


Sorry to ruin your parade but this has already been done. From Day1

[Daldaen]

Offering 15k for a Necro Book
Offering 5k to loot the Shattered Emerald

Let me know!

[BallzDeep]

Understanding how the mobs you are going after work and how to spawn them isn't being elitist. The minis all have phs and different places that they can spawn. The respawn on those place holders is 8 hours. How often doesclue go up to hate to clear out those place holders? Or do they just have a tracker that sees a magi is up after another group took the time to clear the placeholders?

Seems really petty to be upset at the people reaping the benefits of spending hours clearing place holders just because they spawned a named you want. Seems like the only reason you think they are RMTing is because you personally couldn't afford what you want. Making ignorant assumptions from a place of ignorance just confirms that you're butt hurt.

It is elitist in the sense that anyone can figure those things out with a matter of time. You just had the advantage of playing on the server previous to them or having more time to play. It doesn't take a genius to figure out anything in EQ, given time.

Most people who camp fungi for endless hours, RMT. 100K x 5 a month = $1300ish. For most basement dwelling EQ players that's a decent part time job and another excuse to keep sitting on your ass and playing EQ. I'm not saying they for sure RMT but it becomes iffy when there are several other profitable camps in game that don't really block up and coming guilds from getting their epics in Velious.

I don't need any epic, I'm just pointing out the guys who sell No drops on Phinny and other servers.....guess what.......they RMT.

[Maner]

It is elitist in the sense that anyone can figure those things out with a matter of time. You just had the advantage of playing on the server previous to them or having more time to play. It doesn't take a genius to figure out anything in EQ, given time.

Most people who camp fungi for endless hours, RMT. 100K x 5 a month = $1300ish. For most basement dwelling EQ players that's a decent part time job and another excuse to keep sitting on your ass and playing EQ. I'm not saying they for sure RMT but it becomes iffy when there are several other profitable camps in game that don't really block up and coming guilds from getting their epics in Velious.

I don't need any epic, I'm just pointing out the guys who sell No drops on Phinny and other servers.....guess what.......they RMT.

So figuring out place holders and such makes someone and elitist?

You realize that you're the only one who looks like they RMT due to all your insider knowledge right? Do you have anything other than an assumption that this groups is RMTing anything? You are basing your assumption off of what people do on phinny? Where RMT isn't only allowed its engineered by daybreak?

The fact that the item in question is a bottleneck is why it is worth so much to both camp and sell. Why camp the king with 6 people at 40k a pop when you can camp the magi PHs for a shot at 500k? Another issue is you thinking a raid group has any more right to a spawn than a single group, that isn't how this works, one guild can't monopolize and claim every spawn in hate as theirs. If they were actually training people, which they obviously aren't due to no one providing any proof, then you would have an argument. But right now they are just a group that is willing to strand toons in hate to clear placeholders and minis when they spawn.

[Lammy]

Offering 50k for Earth Staff

[Erati]

making sure you saw my Sode offer, I will bump it to 20K

let me know thank u!

[GinnasP99]

7500 ranger stone

[Dreenk317]

Do you have any proof that it's not for RMT? Negative

Noone knows, can only assume. Best in slot characters after plat to purchase what? Very curious indeed

You have no proof that they are either. So....... is everyone that does anything suspicious automatically guilty if they can't provide proof that it was above board? Because that's a messed up world that I don't want to live in.

If you really care that much, start taking down names. Go to the known RMT boards. Try to find them there and report them. Don't just call people RMT'ers and walk away like you've been productive.

[Kagey]

High end guilds spend loads of money on recharges for their members.

[reevesz]

High end guilds spend loads of money on recharges for their members.

So that's a good justification to monopolize the only means of raiding Plane of Hate and preventing other guilds from achieving their goals for themselves and their players? Also, I do not see Awakened up there. So how do you go about funding your players recharges?

[Joyelle]

Doubt it's being done for recharge money, and it's probably not officially sanctioned by Aftermath as a guild, just some players looking to make platinum. Now i'm not saying that alts are necessarily where this money is going, but just because your main may be full BiS doesn't mean all your other characters are as well.

And I can tell you for certain that most A/A players are not full BiS on their mains even.

Holding epic drops hostage constantly is scummy for sure, but it's been going on since epics were introduced here (see old TMO WTS threads). Nothing, even disabling MQs, is going to stop it, unfortunately.

[Gundanium]

Bring back Luclin!!

[Dirt]

Selling the loot rights of the following items :

Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth (Epic Mage item) - 500k/obo
Staff of Elemental Mastery: Fire - 25k/obo



Can we work out a deal for a broke ass Mage with no friends? :eek:

[Mygicmeen]

Can we work out a deal for a broke ass Mage with no friends? :eek:

For real

[paroxysmal]

It must be shocking to some, that people in Aftermath actually want to play EQ and do fun stuff outside of raiding ToV. Challenging content with small #'s and whatever slander you talk about us training is pure lies. Please show me any evidence of us training you. If you want to see guilds that train you should of tuned in when AG/FoH/Us were in the zone and AG was training everyone left and right. If you are not looking to buy items please go make a rants and flames post and leave this thread to people that actually want these items instead of asking for tissues and diapers.

That was fun

[BrianK0220]

60 mage here, lacking only the earth staff. No way I'm ever purchasing it. Have fun. I hope you get 200 more for your bank or alts that you never play.

[Kagey]

I'd love to get some puppet strings or epic mq off golem in fear but FH/anon/casuals sit on top of spawns each cycle..
Little worse then AM doing hate cycle runs IMO.
Look in the mirror casuals you r just as bad.

[Nicoline]

I'd love to get some puppet strings or epic mq off golem in fear but FH/anon/casuals sit on top of spawns each cycle..
Little worse then AM doing hate cycle runs IMO.
Look in the mirror casuals you r just as bad.

Yes Anon did do this for about a month over a month ago to make sure that we could have a chance at getting some of our guys their epics as other guilds were monopolizing the fear. Since we were able to get a couple of epics Anon has not been sitting on the spawns.

[Kagey]

AM allows competition, anyone can get a force and contest hate minis v.s them... Golem spawn camping you cant... like you could have a trigger set up I guess and spam click the whole window hoping to get the Engage FTE msg but not bloody likely.

[Kagey]

sorry I've been told I'm not as advance with my forum skills as most.

But you understand what im saying right?
AM in hate is still allowing people to get epic loots, they just beat people to the kill.

The same people complaining about it spawn camp fear epic golems, which does not allow someone to have a chance at killing.

[Lobus]

Oh wow... I always thought this RMT thing wasn't real because I never saw anyone actually trying to sell anything anywhere but that "red" site mentioned recently has really made me really sad.

Guess it just reinforces my perception that my 50+ char just isn't fun to play on and roll on a bunch of untwinked alts instead... Game is much more fun in the lower levels with people enjoying the journey. I'm happy to continue my enjoyment of this nostalgic adventure through those sessions instead of trying to fight my way through this grime.

I would recommend to the people complaining about it to do the same, the people ruining your experience aren't going to change and the Dev's (who don't get paid) shouldn't have to deal with it. Frankly I don't even know why the Dev's even continue, all they get is shat on by everyone and don't even get to enjoy the thing they built.

Didn't realize that people were actually farming stuff for plat and others are actually buying things with real money... That's seriously the real travesty here, Jesus, there are legitimately thousands of better places to donate money to then buy stuff for a 16 year old game... what's the point? I really don't get it....

[Maner]

I understand the point you think you're making, but I don't agree that camping for member epics is at all the same as locking down content to extract tribute. Something something rent seeking.

Except no one is stoping clue or FoH from doing the same thing aftermath is doing, other than themselves. Unlike the fear golems the people in hate aren't sitting at the spawn points with a timer, they wait till the phs they killed start to respawn and see what pops.

Take a moment and look through the EC forum and count how many MQs people are selling. Do you have issues with those people getting quest drops to sell the MQ of? I'm sure there are others who could have used the drops on their mains and such.

[AsTheNightFalls]

I think I got to the 4th page in this and decided im going to share my unasked opinion on this

Fuck you guys for shitting on the smaller guilds.. That is such a dick move to do.. Are you guys having contesting issues in TOV and need to get your epeen hard on from the smaller raid zones for personal gain? Wake the fuck up..

Most of all what AM is doing is legal.. I have jumped anon twice on 1.0 CT kills as they were clearing the way in fear for us to get it cleanly - ty by the way - and with that said.. AM is a much more experienced group of players who understand the methods of getting to their objective.. taken down their target.. and gettin the fuck out..

When you have a guild like Clue who is still trying to figure out where their auto attack is? Of course your going to have a bunch of kids QQing about how unfair it is..

End of the day.. +1 to AM for teaching these kids what it means to be a raider and teaching them an understanding that if they want to get serious about raid targets.. Should probably consider Character Levels > Gear > Clickies > and the simple "How-To-Raid"

Keep it up boys

[Maner]

clearly Clue is the real villain here, good post buddy

Nah, I'm saying the people complaining are being hypocritical of their own actions

[BallzDeep]

I think I got to the 4th page in this and decided im going to share my unasked opinion on this

Fuck you guys for shitting on the smaller guilds.. That is such a dick move to do.. Are you guys having contesting issues in TOV and need to get your epeen hard on from the smaller raid zones for personal gain? Wake the fuck up..

Most of all what AM is doing is legal.. I have jumped anon twice on 1.0 CT kills as they were clearing the way in fear for us to get it cleanly - ty by the way - and with that said.. AM is a much more experienced group of players who understand the methods of getting to their objective.. taken down their target.. and gettin the fuck out..

When you have a guild like Clue who is still trying to figure out where their auto attack is? Of course your going to have a bunch of kids QQing about how unfair it is..

End of the day.. +1 to AM for teaching these kids what it means to be a raider and teaching them an understanding that if they want to get serious about raid targets.. Should probably consider Character Levels > Gear > Clickies > and the simple "How-To-Raid"

Keep it up boys

Above poster is obviously AM alt account. If not, you're obviously stupid. Hate mini's aren't really "raid" targets and if they are they are considered the easiest of raid targets in game. This is where newer guild learn to raid. You have everything backwards you idiot.

[Comoc1]

Just got back from being out of the country on business.

All you haters posting your gripes with tear filled eyes can go fuck yourselves.

Reevees, Thugnuts, and who-the-fuck ever else needs to put that dick back in your mouth and stop talking. You don't know me. You don't know any of us and for another guild to come accusing us of RMT for doing something we enjoy and have fun doing should just leave the server. Like seriously, goodbye.

Sorry it takes 30 of your people to do what 5 of us can. That's what the real problem is.

And again, go fuck yourselves.

Thanks,

Uyan

[reevesz]

Just got back from being out of the country on business.

All you haters posting your gripes with tear filled eyes can go fuck yourselves.

Reevees, Thugnuts, and who-the-fuck ever else needs to put that dick back in your mouth and stop talking. You don't know me. You don't know any of us and for another guild to come accusing us of RMT for doing something we enjoy and have fun doing should just leave the server. Like seriously, goodbye.

Sorry it takes 30 of your people to do what 5 of us can. That's what the real problem is.

And again, go fuck yourselves.

Thanks,

Uyan

Ooo lovely phrasing. Did everyone hit a sore spot on you? Is it fun hindering other guilds from completing their objectives? Or how about being douchebags to a majority of the P99 community here? Instead of being considerate of other players who are only trying to better themselves, you hinder them completely. You and your crew are disrespectful, spiteful, and completely condescending to others. Players want to enjoy the game, build friendships, and see their guild pursue to bigger/better things. Instead they run into people like you who are the opposite!

Who would want to do it with just 5 people? There's is no real fun in that! Hate is a raid zone for guilds who either A) want to achieve their epics, B) build up their raid, or C) help their fellow guildmates/friends meeting their goals. You guys literally log in every 8 hours to farm the minis! For what?! No freaking clue and noone can see a reason why you would do so (cause Aftermath has access to better loot) unless to fuck over other guilds or other matters than perhaps may get you banned.

Perhaps Awakened has ran you all out of VP and NToV. So what do you do? Pick on the little guys!

Sirken put it in raid rules.

Q13: Will the planes be open to everyone?
A: Yes. Please be respectful to your fellow players and respect their space. If there is a guild/party raiding Hate for some armor and they start pulling creatures, don't go up there and sit on top of them pulling mobs in their area as well. If Guild A is doing Hate, then perhaps Guild B should be doing Fear. Basically, don't be a douche bag. If you insist on being in the planes at the same time as another guild/party, you may not set up camp on top of where another guild/party has already set up camp. To clarify, there is no limit to the number of guilds/people allowed in the planes at one time.

Plain and Simple. Be respectful, not douchebags!

[reevesz]

Some smartass quirk

Try trolling harder my friend.

[Supreme]

Never had these kinds of problems on red...

[Thugnuts]

Plays like a cunt.

Gets called out for playing like a cunt.

Gets mad.


People from 5-6 different guilds just organically coalesced into the same place and told you to get fucked and stick your MQ's up your ass, and you can't do anything about it except go farm Hate some more and jerk off about how wonderful you are. :p

[paroxysmal]

I'd love to get some puppet strings or epic mq off golem in fear but FH/anon/casuals sit on top of spawns each cycle..
Little worse then AM doing hate cycle runs IMO.
Look in the mirror casuals you r just as bad.
We do this for our mains for epics not for the sole purpose of profiting a small group of players.

[Raev]

Never had these kinds of problems on red...

no players on red to compete with

[paroxysmal]

That does not make your socking all the spawns for 16 hours of the fear golems any less ridiculous, Something the Hardcore guilds will not even do. (yes AM/AW need loot off golems)

There's a whole lot of shit that goes down on this server that's rediculous.

We do it because it works not because we want to or because its fun.

[Barcelona]

This is a very strange <Awakened> recruitment thread, that's for sure. Seriously considering that road now...

[spanky_kc]

We do this for our mains for epics not for the sole purpose of profiting a small group of players.

So 50+ Guildie/alliance stand on all 3 golem spawns...... is for the sole purpose for epics? So if we come into fear for a golem you will just give us AoN's / Puppet Strings etc for free?

[botrainer]

That does not make your socking all the spawns for 16 hours of the fear golems any less ridiculous, Something the Hardcore guilds will not even do. (yes AM/AW need loot off golems)

This is because Am/Aw is too busy cock blocking the following mobs week in, and week out, making yourselves spread to thin as it is....

Dozekar the Cursed, Casalen, Grozzmel, Krigara, Lepethida, Midayor, Tavekalem, Ymmeln, Arreken Skyward, Gozzrem, Lendiniara the Keeper, Telkorenar, Aaryonar, Cekenar, Dagarn the Destroyer, Eashen of the Sky, Ikatiar the Venom, Jorlleag, Lady Mirenilla, Lady Nevederia, Lord Feshlak, Lord Koi'Doken, Lord Kreizenn, Lord Vyemm, Sevalak, Vulak`Aerr, Zlexak, Lord Yelinak, Ring Wars, Ragefire, Avatar of War, King Tormax, Statue of Rallos Zek, ALL of Sleepers Tomb, Lodizal(sometimes), Lady Vox, Lord Nagafen, Dracoliche, Cazic Thule, Fright, Dread, and Terror (when CT respawns), Captain spawns, 6 necks outside of ToV, Trakanon, Druushk, Hoshkar, Nexona, Phara Dar, Silverwing, Xygoz...

Feel free to add mobs I may have missed I just thought you guys should know how many different mobs you target week in and week out.

With that being said, both Aw/Am would put up attempts(and do) to take a stab at golem's if it wasn't for smaller guilds being forced to sit on spawn points. If us smaller guilds didn't/couldn't, it would turn into a train/kite shit show(refer to NToV spawns and pulls to see examples of this). We know it, as well as you guys know this. We just rather cut the bull of trains and eliminate the problem to begin with...It's because of crap tactics both Aw/Am created/use that made this atmosphere to begin with. You're Welcome.

[paroxysmal]

So 50+ Guildie/alliance stand on all 3 golem spawns...... is for the sole purpose for epics? So if we come into fear for a golem you will just give us AoN's / Puppet Strings etc for free?

Depends. Are you going to start giving away stuff in hate you are farming that you don't really need?

[raato]

We do it because it works not because we want to or because its fun.

Because playing a video game isn't supposed to be fun and it definitely shouldn't be something you want to do.

[FreshPrinceOfP99]

So much love in this thread, just get a room and fuck already.

[DiogenesThaDogg]

If anyone believes anyone else is training, run fraps 24/7 and alert the staff if you have video proof. Anything else is (unfortunately) hearsay.

[clacbec]

Fandango is my hero

[fastboy21]

triple post, mad

wish I never came across this thread, but since I have it makes me feel so much pity for some of these people such as "Clue" or "FoH" or "Thugnuts". I suppose these people made it to adulthood because of their families took care of them. Natural Selection should have phased these people out by now ((((retards)))

oh my. :eek:

[Tankdan]

I was a poor mage with no epic in the #1 raiding guild for years.

No you werent

[Yoink1986]

So parents taking care of their kids is bad nowadays?

[Thugnuts]

triple post, mad

wish I never came across this thread, but since I have it makes me feel so much pity for some of these people such as "Clue" or "FoH" or "Thugnuts". I suppose these people made it to adulthood because of their families took care of them. Natural Selection should have phased these people out by now ((((retards)))

plz grow up and be a man or better yet kill yourself (u know who u are)

I'm not going to get mad and tell you to fuck off, fanny D. Anyone who's been here more than a year knows you, and knows that you have some personal issues that go beyond what happens in the game. I'm just glad you're here weighing in, and not off spree killing at a shopping mall or something.

[Legday]

Pathetic. Go up there and contest the content if you want the items. This server is softer than baby shit.

[botrainer]

Lol: Aftermath's version of "contesting" is who can make it look like who trained one another without actually showing you trained them....I believe back on Live when you petitioned, players who were "contest or get bent fuck face" more often than not were found to be rotten apples and were happily removed from the server for repeated offensives. Cant count how many times guilds have been in violations on this server and those same repeat offenders still rage on creating this shit show as seen by this thread.

On live guilds were rarely to never suspended as a whole, just the players who were rotten players within them to make for a healthier community overall which worked out really well, and is long over due to do on this server. This server doesn't remove those players, they just make them guild officers, leaders, and "raid rule" commissar's for the server...yeah that solved a lot!

[Fazlazen]

Great thread! I wtb the necro book!

[Kagey]

Pathetic. Go up there and contest the content if you want the items. This server is softer than baby shit.

Like it or not, this is truth.

[Maner]

Just got back from being out of the country on business.

All you haters posting your gripes with tear filled eyes can go fuck yourselves.

Reevees, Thugnuts, and who-the-fuck ever else needs to put that dick back in your mouth and stop talking. You don't know me. You don't know any of us and for another guild to come accusing us of RMT for doing something we enjoy and have fun doing should just leave the server. Like seriously, goodbye.

Sorry it takes 30 of your people to do what 5 of us can. That's what the real problem is.

And again, go fuck yourselves.

Thanks,

Uyan

Why are you using so many people Uyan? :p

People from 5-6 different guilds just organically coalesced into the same place and told you to get fucked and stick your MQ's up your ass, and you can't do anything about it except go farm Hate some more and jerk off about how wonderful you are. :p

It's actually 2 guilds, possibly 3. And why should they do anything about some kids on the forums? They can just go back up to hate and prevent them from ever getting what they want.

Ooo lovely phrasing. Did everyone hit a sore spot on you? Is it fun hindering other guilds from completing their objectives? Or how about being douchebags to a majority of the P99 community here? Instead of being considerate of other players who are only trying to better themselves, you hinder them completely. You and your crew are disrespectful, spiteful, and completely condescending to others. Players want to enjoy the game, build friendships, and see their guild pursue to bigger/better things. Instead they run into people like you who are the opposite!

Who would want to do it with just 5 people? There's is no real fun in that! Hate is a raid zone for guilds who either A) want to achieve their epics, B) build up their raid, or C) help their fellow guildmates/friends meeting their goals. You guys literally log in every 8 hours to farm the minis! For what?! No freaking clue and noone can see a reason why you would do so (cause Aftermath has access to better loot) unless to fuck over other guilds or other matters than perhaps may get you banned.

Perhaps Awakened has ran you all out of VP and NToV. So what do you do? Pick on the little guys!

Sirken put it in raid rules.

Q13: Will the planes be open to everyone?
A: Yes. Please be respectful to your fellow players and respect their space. If there is a guild/party raiding Hate for some armor and they start pulling creatures, don't go up there and sit on top of them pulling mobs in their area as well. If Guild A is doing Hate, then perhaps Guild B should be doing Fear. Basically, don't be a douche bag. If you insist on being in the planes at the same time as another guild/party, you may not set up camp on top of where another guild/party has already set up camp. To clarify, there is no limit to the number of guilds/people allowed in the planes at one time.

Plain and Simple. Be respectful, not douchebags!

Did you even read the last line in sirkens post about the planes?
VP is rotated, keep demonstrating your lack of knowledge on the topic though.
It's actually more fun to do with 5 what you obviously can't even do with 30... only thing you're proving is just how upset and rustled you are.
A majority of the p99 community? lol really kid?

This is because Am/Aw is too busy cock blocking the following mobs week in, and week out, making yourselves spread to thin as it is....

Dozekar the Cursed, Casalen, Grozzmel, Krigara, Lepethida, Midayor, Tavekalem, Ymmeln, Arreken Skyward, Gozzrem, Lendiniara the Keeper, Telkorenar, Aaryonar, Cekenar, Dagarn the Destroyer, Eashen of the Sky, Ikatiar the Venom, Jorlleag, Lady Mirenilla, Lady Nevederia, Lord Feshlak, Lord Koi'Doken, Lord Kreizenn, Lord Vyemm, Sevalak, Vulak`Aerr, Zlexak, Lord Yelinak, Ring Wars, Ragefire, Avatar of War, King Tormax, Statue of Rallos Zek, ALL of Sleepers Tomb, Lodizal(sometimes), Lady Vox, Lord Nagafen, Dracoliche, Cazic Thule, Fright, Dread, and Terror (when CT respawns), Captain spawns, 6 necks outside of ToV, Trakanon, Druushk, Hoshkar, Nexona, Phara Dar, Silverwing, Xygoz...

Feel free to add mobs I may have missed I just thought you guys should know how many different mobs you target week in and week out.

With that being said, both Aw/Am would put up attempts(and do) to take a stab at golem's if it wasn't for smaller guilds being forced to sit on spawn points. If us smaller guilds didn't/couldn't, it would turn into a train/kite shit show(refer to NToV spawns and pulls to see examples of this). We know it, as well as you guys know this. We just rather cut the bull of trains and eliminate the problem to begin with...It's because of crap tactics both Aw/Am created/use that made this atmosphere to begin with. You're Welcome.

Who targets the 6 stat dragons? What would killing the HoT minis do for you if you aren't ever killing dozekar? All your comment does in reinforce that the smaller guilds are upset due to misinformation and not comprehending what actually happens. A/A doesn't target gozz or telk or even some of the triplets unless nothing else is in window. You're making the excuse that you sit on the spawn for 16 hours to avoid trains, all you do is kite in fear, would be nice if you refrained from speaking from a place of ignorance. Have you even bothered to try racing for tov mobs? You can't cock block if you're racing for the fte.

[Kodim]

This isn't RNF. GM needs to remove these posts and let the guy sell his stuff like this section is used for.

[Fragged]

The funny thing about this is, that so far the only people that have been trained in Plane of Hate is us. It usually goes like this:

We are in Hate clearing PHs, and a guild ports up. They kill a few mobs, then they see a named on track. At this point their monks run frantically around trying to find the named (which is in our camp), and end up training us. Shit happens.. but the fun part, well actually the tiring part, is that just as oblivious as they are when they train us, they are equally oblivious when they come here and claim that it was us that trained them. I mean.. we are a fucking surgical team, clearing all this shit with 3 - 5 people, being extremely meticulous about our pulls while these people complaining here have ten headless chicken running around the zone not understanding how they get agro or when and where they get agro.

But hey IT MUST BE THE BAD MEN.. MOMMY THE BAD MEN TRAINED ME.

We have actually also been maliciously trained where these people complaining here would come and drop stuff on the walls of our camp and claim opsi daisy.

[Dreenk317]

The funny thing about this is, that so far the only people that have been trained in Plane of Hate is us. It usually goes like this:

We are in Hate clearing PHs, and a guild ports up. They kill a few mobs, then they see a named on track. At this point their monks run frantically around trying to find the named (which is in our camp), and end up training us. Shit happens.. but the fun part, well actually the tiring part, is that just as oblivious as they are when they train us, they are equally oblivious when they come here and claim that it was us that trained them. I mean.. we are a fucking surgical team, clearing all this shit with 3 - 5 people, being extremely meticulous about our pulls while these people complaining here have ten headless chicken running around the zone not understanding how they get agro or when and where they get agro.

But hey IT MUST BE THE BAD MEN.. MOMMY THE BAD MEN TRAINED ME.

We have actually also been malicious trained where these people complaining here would come and drop stuff on the walls of our camp claim opsi daisy.

I can't speak at all to The Who trained who. But I understand why people are mad that you are monopolizing the content. And to those that are unfamiliar with hate, that place is a mad agro zone. There are certain walls and steps that you just shouldn't touch or the you will agro the upper level and it will train down. That's most likely the cause of most of "you trained us" trains.

[Fragged]

Aye.

[mattydef]

These guys try to come across as badasses on the forums, which makes it even more hilarious when you see them cry like a bunch of babies when you're actually in hate with them. A few of them are the epitome of a stereotypical eq player, sitting there drooling all over their keyboard, trying to bully other players with false claims and threats. This whole ordeal is a perfect example of what's wrong with this server, all the no lifers with too much time on their hands thinking that having all the playtime in the world somehow equates to skill. Everyone watch out though, sirfrappin isn't messing around anymore and he's watching YOU, he made that perfectly clear the other day when he desperately squealed like a gutted pig in OOC while his friends died around him.

[Maner]

These guys try to come across as badasses on the forums, which makes it even more hilarious when you see them cry like a bunch of babies when you're actually in hate with them. A few of them are the epitome of a stereotypical eq player, sitting there drooling all over their keyboard, trying to bully other players with false claims and threats. This whole ordeal is a perfect example of what's wrong with this server, all the no lifers with too much time on their hands thinking that having all the playtime in the world somehow equates to skill. Everyone watch out though, sirfrappin isn't messing around anymore and he's watching YOU, he made that perfectly clear the other day when he desperately squealed like a gutted pig in OOC while his friends died around him.


Logging on every 8-10 hours and spending 45min-1hr clearing 12-20 phs isn't all the time in the world. But please continue talking about how 3 people retarded enough to drool on their keyboards are stopping 30 of you from killing the magi when it spawns.

[Veridical]

I got my epic tracking Magi and calling up several of my amazing guild friends to kill. Often we competed against farm teams and won. It can be done - your puller just needs to know the zone.

[BallzDeep]

Honestly looking back on this thread made me realize how stupid AM is. They constantly complain about training, low health agro, not getting mobs and the exact same shit these other guilds are complaining about but ironically the other guilds are the cry babies when they say the exact shit AM does when they lost a mob. I guess everyone is a cry baby in todays world.

[Maner]

Honestly looking back on this thread made me realize how stupid AM is. They constantly complain about training, low health agro, not getting mobs and the exact same shit these other guilds are complaining about but ironically the other guilds are the cry babies when they say the exact shit AM does when they lost a mob. I guess everyone is a cry baby in todays world.

The difference is when it's a mob that takes 30-60 people to kill and one hat takes 3

[BallzDeep]

Oh okay, that makes all the difference then. I guess an all encompassing rule doesn't make sense and the standard is being a cry baby is okay when you have a raid group.

The 3 people is subjective because for up and coming guilds who aren't raid geared or with proper knowledge, it will take a few more.

[Maner]

Oh okay, that makes all the difference then. I guess an all encompassing rule doesn't make sense and the standard is being a cry baby is okay when you have a raid group.

The 3 people is subjective because for up and coming guilds who aren't raid geared or with proper knowledge, it will take a few more.

No it really doesn't, gear doesn't matter when you're just slowing and having a charmed mob tank and dps for you. Your monk should just be focusing on pulling the phs. In all honesty hate is probably easier with 3-5 people. You don't have an extra 20 people walking around aground stuff on the 2nd floor, or people below 50 with larger agro ranges.

[BallzDeep]

I know how the mechanics work but some guilds go up there as a raid for multiple things, especially if you are a newer guild and still needing epics. You just explained to me how it should be done if you are trying to 3 man it and sell for an MQ. I'm not in the starter guilds, I used to play IB/Ramp before I realized playing this game hardcore is dumb as shit.

[Maner]

I know how the mechanics work but some guilds go up there as a raid for multiple things, especially if you are a newer guild and still needing epics. You just explained to me how it should be done if you are trying to 3 man it and sell for an MQ. I'm not in the starter guilds, I used to play IB/Ramp before I realized playing this game hardcore is dumb as shit.

I just don't understand the entitlement, is it because you have 20-30 people going to hate to do what 3 people can do that you deserve special accommodations? I can't think of a single thing in hate that you need 30 people to kill that would make future hate raids require less people. Maybe inny, but I have a theory that you can even kill inny with 5 due to how his ae mechanics work.

[BallzDeep]

You obviously have it backwards. Entitlement comes from less people > more people and greed>need. Expansions and this game was built to be progressive. You are supposed to progressively move from Classic->Kunark->Velious and go back for gear and epics as needed. The people who are entitled are always the people that want to have the most platinum or the best gear in a never-ending game. Some people raid hate to LEARN how to raid and get their first experience of raid mechanics. I know that is a hard concept to understand but that is how everquest was built. Naggy/Vox/Hate/Fear are an introduction to raiding. VS/Trak/Kunark mobs including VP are a step up from there. Velious and FTE races are the never ending end game for raid guilds. That is why it is important for some guilds to bring 30.

[Maner]

You obviously have it backwards. Entitlement comes from less people > more people and greed>need. Expansions and this game was built to be progressive. You are supposed to progressively move from Classic->Kunark->Velious and go back for gear and epics as needed. The people who are entitled are always the people that want to have the most platinum or the best gear in a never-ending game. Some people raid hate to LEARN how to raid and get their first experience of raid mechanics. I know that is a hard concept to understand but that is how everquest was built. Naggy/Vox/Hate/Fear are an introduction to raiding. VS/Trak/Kunark mobs including VP are a step up from there. Velious and FTE races are the never ending end game for raid guilds. That is why it is important for some guilds to bring 30.

Oh I understand that, however nothing in hate aside from inny is a stepping stone for even VS. what skills are you learning to compete in velious FTE racing or trakonon socks? Let alone how does killing magi with 30 people prepare you for nexona or hoshkar? Claiming this is a problem because 30 people aren't cant beat 3 people at pulling a mob is pretty irrelevant

[Lobus]

You obviously have it backwards. Entitlement comes from less people > more people and greed>need. Expansions and this game was built to be progressive. You are supposed to progressively move from Classic->Kunark->Velious and go back for gear and epics as needed. The people who are entitled are always the people that want to have the most platinum or the best gear in a never-ending game. Some people raid hate to LEARN how to raid and get their first experience of raid mechanics. I know that is a hard concept to understand but that is how everquest was built. Naggy/Vox/Hate/Fear are an introduction to raiding. VS/Trak/Kunark mobs including VP are a step up from there. Velious and FTE races are the never ending end game for raid guilds. That is why it is important for some guilds to bring 30.

This is probably the best reason the farming behavior is so detrimental to the community as a whole... The farmers say "Learn to raid newb", but then monopolize all the raid targets so newer player/guilds can't learn...

Even the farmers have to admit how others can see this behavior as a bunch of people who have a very real profit motive to prevent others from becoming geared & skilled enough to attain things on their own, thus forcing them to buy said things from the farmers.

Now whether the payment is just plat for plat's sake or RMT is an entirely different story but why someone would need to continue to hoard hundreds of thousands of plat. Any items they would want to buy they obviously have the time & skills to camp on their own so that can't really be reason. What I can tell is that there are a healthy number of people out there still offering RMT of various kinds in various places so there MUST be people active on p99 today who are farming for plat and items to that end.

I have no idea if this particular farming team are also RMT'ers but there MUST be farming teams who are (based on the millions of plat and hundreds of items and accounts currently up for sale). As such if all high end farming has to suffer additional scrutiny to flush out RMT'ers then that is best for the community as a whole. The alternative is to continue to allow this kind of behavior across the board and as such institutionalize the RMT trade.

That, in my opinion, is a bad outcome and i believe the owners/admins of this server agree with me due to the time they've spent trying to root out these kind of schemes.

[Raev]

Basically it all comes down to the lack of content progression. On live, 1.5 years after Velious we had Luclin. A/A would be COH battling over Vex Thal and NTOV would be relatively open/rotated, just like VP is now.

[Veridical]

So what you're saying, Raev, is Luclin confirmed? I'm gonna farm the Heck outta shield of bane warding.

[Maner]

This is probably the best reason the farming behavior is so detrimental to the community as a whole... The farmers say "Learn to raid newb", but then monopolize all the raid targets so newer player/guilds can't learn...

Even the farmers have to admit how others can see this behavior as a bunch of people who have a very real profit motive to prevent others from becoming geared & skilled enough to attain things on their own, thus forcing them to buy said things from the farmers.

Now whether the payment is just plat for plat's sake or RMT is an entirely different story but why someone would need to continue to hoard hundreds of thousands of plat. Any items they would want to buy they obviously have the time & skills to camp on their own so that can't really be reason. What I can tell is that there are a healthy number of people out there still offering RMT of various kinds in various places so there MUST be people active on p99 today who are farming for plat and items to that end.

I have no idea if this particular farming team are also RMT'ers but there MUST be farming teams who are (based on the millions of plat and hundreds of items and accounts currently up for sale). As such if all high end farming has to suffer additional scrutiny to flush out RMT'ers then that is best for the community as a whole. The alternative is to continue to allow this kind of behavior across the board and as such institutionalize the RMT trade.

That, in my opinion, is a bad outcome and i believe the owners/admins of this server agree with me due to the time they've spent trying to root out these kind of schemes.

Except the RMT accusations are coming from the angry "beginners" who are upset that their 30 beginner raiders can't kill the hate minis which are NOT raid mobs... there is no evidence that anyone involved is RMTing, it's just more deflection from people training themselves in hate. The server admins are against RMT on this server, if there was any proof that the people in question were RMTing it would be dealt with.

This whole argument that these people are somehow not letting others learn to raid is a joke. You can learn much more valuable raiding lessons doing HoT or attempting derakor than you can clearing hate trash. Honestly this entire issue is because someone in clue or fires of heaven wants something but doesn't want any competition in getting it.

[botrainer]

I cant began to tell you how many members of Taken, Awakened, Aftermath that have been "mistaken" hit in a ban wave of RMT they do about once a year. Its odd how i can sell Rogue epics, Cleric Epics, and not just 1 or 2 but upto 5 to 7 a year and never once have i ever been hit with the ban stick even by "mistake"

Dont kid yourself on the lack of "proof", some guilds get a pass because they bitch loud enough.

[Maner]

I cant began to tell you how many members of Taken, Awakened, Aftermath that have been "mistaken" hit in a ban wave of RMT they do about once a year. Its odd how i can sell Rogue epics, Cleric Epics, and not just 1 or 2 but upto 5 to 7 a year and never once have i ever been hit with the ban stick even by "mistake"

Dont kid yourself on the lack of "proof", some guilds get a pass because they bitch loud enough.

So now the only proof you need that someone RMTs is the guild they are in? Making ignorant generalizations isn't helping anything

[reevesz]

Maner,

I do not play often due to work but I do have a question. If Hate minis are not raid mobs, can they be claimed as a normal camp? IE, someone doing a camp check then someone replied 1st or 2nd floor minis?

[Maner]

Maner,

I do not play often due to work but I do have a question. If Hate minis are not raid mobs, can they be claimed as a normal camp? IE, someone doing a camp check then someone replied 1st or 2nd floor minis?

Due to the spawn locations there is no way you can set up your camp to watch all the spawns. I don't see why you couldn't pick one PH location and pull others to there and claim the one you are at as your camp though. The play nice rules say that you can camp multiple spawns if no one else is there, once others show up you have to pick which spawn you are claiming. Other than a longer respawn there isn't anything different from this and camping any other camp. And an example of another long respawn mob being considered a camp would be lucan. If you are sitting waiting for Lucan to spawn it is considered your camp. At least I remember a gm ruling saying that in the past

[reevesz]

Ah ok, so if we raid Hate and are taking the 2nd floor 3 mini spawn points. Thats legit right? There is a spot there where we can see all 3 locations.

[Maner]

Ah ok, so if we raid Hate and are taking the 2nd floor 3 mini spawn points. Thats legit right? There is a spot there where we can see all 3 locations.

Why wouldn't it be? If you can see the spawns and are actively killing /waiting for them to respawn then that would be your camp. The issue then becomes, are you going to sit there for 8 hours killing the trash? Or are you going to camp toons up there and just make your way to the camp each time? Hate can be a real pita with agro, I assume the group farming this stuff routinely is camping near maestro as it's the easiest spot to clear out and set up in. There is one ph in there I believe. Setting up your camp at one of the ph spots could just end up being far more work than it is worth with panthers and stuff agroing through the walls and floor.

There are also way more than 3 spawn locations on the 2nd floor...

[reevesz]

Well last time, our raid force 20-30 personnel was on 2nd floor waiting for the minis to spawn and a few of the Aftermath personnel logged back on (they were camped at Maestro hall) and started sitting on their spawn points. Just want to get some facts if it were to ever become an issue.

More than 3? That would be awesome :)

Would love to find out more ways than one in order to prevent all the BS that goes on.

[Dreenk317]

Why wouldn't it be? If you can see the spawns and are actively killing /waiting for them to respawn then that would be your camp. The issue then becomes, are you going to sit there for 8 hours killing the trash? Or are you going to camp toons up there and just make your way to the camp each time? Hate can be a real pita with agro, I assume the group farming this stuff routinely is camping near maestro as it's the easiest spot to clear out and set up in. There is one ph in there I believe. Setting up your camp at one of the ph spots could just end up being far more work than it is worth with panthers and stuff agroing through the walls and floor.

There are also way more than 3 spawn locations on the 2nd floor...

That's the issue as I see it. With few places to set up with a raid force of 20-30 which is common for beginner guilds to bring that many. And when wrangling 20-30 people that don't know plains that well. And you've tracked your window and you know corruptor is going to spawn soon. And then 30 minutes before it pops 3-5 lvl 60's all geared to hell and all knowing the zone and it's pops like the back of there hand are able to move in and set up and pull your mob as it pops because you weren't at spawn so it wasn't camped and tough cookies get gud.

That is frustrating as frustrating gets. Regardless of if it isn't technically against the rules. And I'm not saying this is what happened. But if it were to happen to me, I'd be really upset.

And it seems like these people are saying they would do exactly this kind of behavior.

Fact is that the planes are a beginner raid zone. That's how they were seen in classic on live. And that's how many see them here. ONLY the invention of p99 raid rules and its selection and classification of what is and isn't a raid mob has changed people's views on that, everyone on live on my server called them planes RAIDS for a reason. And the "raid rules" they choose to use allow them to pull dick moves like this.

[Maner]

That's the issue as I see it. With few places to set up with a raid force of 20-30 which is common for beginner guilds to bring that many. And when wrangling 20-30 people that don't know plains that well. And you've tracked your window and you know corruptor is going to spawn soon. And then 30 minutes before it pops 3-5 lvl 60's all geared to hell and all knowing the zone and it's pops like the back of there hand are able to move in and set up and pull your mob as it pops because you weren't at spawn so it wasn't camped and tough cookies get gud.

That is frustrating as frustrating gets. Regardless of if it isn't technically against the rules. And I'm not saying this is what happened. But if it were to happen to me, I'd be really upset.

And it seems like these people are saying they would do exactly this kind of behavior.

Fact is that the planes are a beginner raid zone. That's how they were seen in classic on live. And that's how many see them here. ONLY the invention of p99 raid rules and its selection and classification of what is and isn't a raid mob has changed people's views on that, everyone on live on my server called them planes RAIDS for a reason. And the "raid rules" they choose to use allow them to pull dick moves like this.

On live people were soloing the hate minis not long after the revamp. And that group of 30 people can always port up an hour before it's due and set up. There are no rules against logging out in hate, just that it's at your own risk. The new hate minis don't hit hard, dont aoe, and barely do more than what a normal spawn of the same type does. That is not a raid mob it's glorified trash and a rare spawn.

What is wrong with people who know what they are doing using that knowledge for their own benefit? It's wrong for them to want to gear alts because someone who hasn't been on the server as long wants something for themselves? It has always been that way in EQ. There have always been groups that can do with less what your guild needs more for. Shit on the live server I payed on there was one group of 4 people who all botted 2 characters that monopolized zlandicar and dozekar on every spawn with 5-10 toons.

Well last time, our raid force 20-30 personnel was on 2nd floor waiting for the minis to spawn and a few of the Aftermath personnel logged back on (they were camped at Maestro hall) and started sitting on their spawn points. Just want to get some facts if it were to ever become an issue.

More than 3? That would be awesome :)

Would love to find out more ways than one in order to prevent all the BS that goes on.

It would seem that they were setting up to pull other spawns since they can only claim the one next to them as their actual camp. People don't log out at the maestro hall, it is in no way safe. There are other places to camp out that are safe when you come back 8+ hours later. If your raid group is up and waiting at a spawn location and they come and try to pull it anyway, that is an easy petition.

[Gozuk]

That's exactly what they have done Maner

[Maner]

That's exactly what they have done Maner

If you are at the spawn location waiting for it to spawn, not clearing there after it spawned. Then I would petition anyone pulling it from in front of your raid

[Maner]

Manerz seems upset in this thread.

/comfort

Why would I be upset? I am not one of the people in either group

[reevesz]

Thank you Maner for the clarifications!

[Dreenk317]

Why would I be upset? I am not one of the people in either group

You might not be part of there group. But your posts make it seem like your on the side of the small group selling the MQ's. And to clarify, I never said camping out in hate is wrong. I said that if they are using there smaller group size and zone knowledge to pull mobs out from under other raid groups, because said raid group isn't right at spawn or whatever, that's not cool.

[Maner]

You might not be part of there group. But your posts make it seem like your on the side of the small group selling the MQ's. And to clarify, I never said camping out in hate is wrong. I said that if they are using there smaller group size and zone knowledge to pull mobs out from under other raid groups, because said raid group isn't right at spawn or whatever, that's not cool.

I am not part of the current group, but i was part of a similar group 6-8 months ago, doing the same 3-5 manning in hate. I personally don't see anything wrong with it as they aren't breaking any rules, and it is honestly a lot more fun to low man stuff like that then raid it with 20-30 people.

If the raid and the 3-5 people are both clearing to a mob, why isn't it okay for them to pull it faster? Its the same thing that happens at just about any raid target on this server, wasn't your whole point that they are practicing for raiding?

[wrighter00]

This thread is too funny. I really can't find myself caring that you guys are selling this stuff. What else is there to do on a time locked server? Just don't act like FoH or others don't/can't compete with you or Awakened because we're some small guild of noobs or something. That's what's ridiculous. We haven't been on this server long enough to complain about "Kunark days" or "4-5 years ago". We're fairly new and we get these items, too. You want AoNs and Puppet Strings? Buy them from us. hahaha.

I don't have any problems with the top guilds doing what they do so long as they don't act like they haven't complained the same way these other, smaller, guilds are about AM Hate farming right now. I know they do, because I get the /tells sometimes. Try sending a friendly /tell. It might work.

EDIT: 35k for Hauberk of Harmony? It's a random drop, bruh. Is that just a sale when you see them clearing to minis? Otherwise, ya'll are bored AF with this server.

[Senix]

I just wanted to clarify for all those yelling rmt what can you possibly doing with that money. I myself farm cash time to time and when I made a twink warrior I dropped 300k+ on him from creation. It's easy to spend 500k on a twink if you want to or have the money to do so. For example a year back 70k for a whole thurg set mq's+gems, cof 75k, swift blade of zek 75k, cobalt bracer 20k, jboots 7k, bracer of the hidden 6k, peggy cloak 10k, invis bp 6k, fungi 45k then some random fill ins noob rings/earrings/belt random couple grand there. It's incredibly easy to spend 300k+ on a twink is my point, 3 months later after war was 60 I did it again droped roughly 360k on making a monk.

[Uuruk]

Subscribing

[Dreenk317]

I am not part of the current group, but i was part of a similar group 6-8 months ago, doing the same 3-5 manning in hate. I personally don't see anything wrong with it as they aren't breaking any rules, and it is honestly a lot more fun to low man stuff like that then raid it with 20-30 people.

If the raid and the 3-5 people are both clearing to a mob, why isn't it okay for them to pull it faster? Its the same thing that happens at just about any raid target on this server, wasn't your whole point that they are practicing for raiding?

Because, from what I've heard. Raids will have cleared to a mob. And while there setting up/going over the pull/medding for heals, this smaller group will waltz past them say "oh were you gonna pull that named in that room right there? Really should be camping in the room otherwise it's fair game, and oh look, we just got FTE, have a good one!"

Anyone that does this knows that they aren't technically breaking any server rules. But everyone knows that it's a complete asshole move.

And the raid scene on this server really really sucks, why would we want to perpetuate it and expand its stupidity, if we don't stop this shit soon there's gonna be footraces for every mob that has any sort of drop.

[Maner]

Because, from what I've heard. Raids will have cleared to a mob. And while there setting up/going over the pull/medding for heals, this smaller group will waltz past them say "oh were you gonna pull that named in that room right there? Really should be camping in the room otherwise it's fair game, and oh look, we just got FTE, have a good one!"

Anyone that does this knows that they aren't technically breaking any server rules. But everyone knows that it's a complete asshole move.

And the raid scene on this server really really sucks, why would we want to perpetuate it and expand its stupidity, if we don't stop this shit soon there's gonna be footraces for every mob that has any sort of drop.

You apparently dont understand how PoH is done. You dont crawl, that creates massive trains and kills everyone. You pull to 3 or 4 different camps. The minis dont do anything special and can all be slowed except the spite one. So going over the pull and preparing with 30 people is a really lame excuse. Not to mention that just about all of the minis can be pulled easily with 2 monks after minimal if any clearing.

[spanky_kc]

have you seen my WTB post? easily needing 800k+ in items that no one is willing to sell yet. I have a RL Job + Don't need p99 to fix my income. We play the game to have fun and do challenging content with low #'s, not pay for my Grandma's depends while i live in her basement.

[Dreenk317]

You apparently dont understand how PoH is done. You dont crawl, that creates massive trains and kills everyone. You pull to 3 or 4 different camps. The minis dont do anything special and can all be slowed except the spite one. So going over the pull and preparing with 30 people is a really lame excuse. Not to mention that just about all of the minis can be pulled easily with 2 monks after minimal if any clearing.

I never said anything about crawling. Just about getting set up in one of the few places that you mentioned, and this is exactly what is part of the issue. According to the rules, if my raid is gathered at one of these points waiting for the cleric to take a crap before we pull our target or maybe we're explaining how the pull will happen because one of our monks has never done it before, or any other reason that happens all the time in this game. You and your raid/group are technically allowed to pull our target if it has not been engaged, seeing as no one kills targets at there spawn in hate (as you so kindly pointed out) nothing is ever technically camped. Even though you and I both knew that that was our intended target in this hypothetical situation that happened to A Guild last week.

And clearing is definitely involved in hate by the way. Not a full zone clear, but you need to break in for christs sake and then clear to where your setting up. Or do you and your friends have magical powers?

[Maner]

I never said anything about crawling. Just about getting set up in one of the few places that you mentioned, and this is exactly what is part of the issue. According to the rules, if my raid is gathered at one of these points waiting for the cleric to take a crap before we pull our target or maybe we're explaining how the pull will happen because one of our monks has never done it before, or any other reason that happens all the time in this game. You and your raid/group are technically allowed to pull our target if it has not been engaged, seeing as no one kills targets at there spawn in hate (as you so kindly pointed out) nothing is ever technically camped. Even though you and I both knew that that was our intended target in this hypothetical situation that happened to A Guild last week.

And clearing is definitely involved in hate by the way. Not a full zone clear, but you need to break in for christs sake and then clear to where your setting up. Or do you and your friends have magical powers?


What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that the target you are after is up because that small group spent the time to clear place holders and spawn it. There are no raid mobs in plane of hate except for inny. Notice now none of the minis have an FTE message? You may have a leg to stand on if each mini was on a set 8 hour respawn without having a place holder, however that isn't how it works. Hate minis are basically rare spawns with place holders on an 8 hour timer. You want some kind of entitlement to a magi then go up and learn how to clear the phs and then go back 8 hours later and do it again.

I have repeatedly said that I am not a part of the group that is farming hate. You are free to log out up in hate just like these people are doing, you choose not to and then complain when they can pull and kill a mob faster than you. As they also have to clear out the room or camp they are pulling to.

You realize that you can go weeks without even seeing a magi? Last I heard they are 8+ weeks without seeing a staff. So I'm not even sure what your complaint is. Move faster and pull quicker, just because you are slowly meandering towards a target doesn't mean you have a claim on it.

[Dreenk317]

What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that the target you are after is up because that small group spent the time to clear place holders and spawn it. There are no raid mobs in plane of hate except for inny. Notice now none of the minis have an FTE message? You may have a leg to stand on if each mini was on a set 8 hour respawn without having a place holder, however that isn't how it works. Hate minis are basically rare spawns with place holders on an 8 hour timer. You want some kind of entitlement to a magi then go up and learn how to clear the phs and then go back 8 hours later and do it again.

I have repeatedly said that I am not a part of the group that is farming hate. You are free to log out up in hate just like these people are doing, you choose not to and then complain when they can pull and kill a mob faster than you. As they also have to clear out the room or camp they are pulling to.

You realize that you can go weeks without even seeing a magi? Last I heard they are 8+ weeks without seeing a staff. So I'm not even sure what your complaint is. Move faster and pull quicker, just because you are slowly meandering towards a target doesn't mean you have a claim on it.

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm very aware that no hate mobs have FTE other than innoruk. And I'm aware your not part of the group, haven't said you are. I'm also aware of how spawning and tracking named mobs works. And I'm not asking for any sort of entitlement to anything.

All I'm saying, is that the way the rules are currently implemented and enforced leaves the door open for a ton of asshattery as has been witnessed by multiple people and groups.

Also, you are assuming that only this small group is clearing placeholders and tracking there targets, when that is not the case. Plenty of people clear ph's and track targets.

[Maner]

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm very aware that no hate mobs have FTE other than innoruk. And I'm aware your not part of the group, haven't said you are. I'm also aware of how spawning and tracking named mobs works. And I'm not asking for any sort of entitlement to anything.

All I'm saying, is that the way the rules are currently implemented and enforced leaves the door open for a ton of asshattery as has been witnessed by multiple people and groups.

Also, you are assuming that only this small group is clearing placeholders and tracking there targets, when that is not the case. Plenty of people clear ph's and track targets.

Oh really? When was the last time you cleared the PHs every 8 hours for 8 weeks? I know they haven't made every respawn however in that time they have gotten at most 1 earth staff. You think the time invested doesn't warrant them being able to make some plat? Obviously you're tracking hate, that doesn't mean the magi that spawned was due to anything you did. All you're doing is admitting you aren't committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity which isn't how anything works.

[Dreenk317]

Oh really? When was the last time you cleared the PHs every 8 hours for 8 weeks? I know they haven't made every respawn however in that time they have gotten at most 1 earth staff. You think the time invested doesn't warrant them being able to make some plat? Obviously you're tracking hate, that doesn't mean the magi that spawned was due to anything you did. All you're doing is admitting you aren't committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity which isn't how anything works.

Your still assuming an awful lot. For one, I'm not tracking hate or killing PH's and I never said I was or that I was responsible for or entitled to anything, just that more people than your friends are killing and tracking. And I'm not saying that there not allowed to make plat. ALL IM SAYING is that the server rules as they stand leave the door open for asshattery, such as the asshattery happening in hate currently.

Also, just a little FYI, I haven't demanded anything. And I'm not currently after anything from hate. So im not sure why your accusing me of "admitting I'm not committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity..." when that is simply not the case. But for you to think that your friends are the only ones committing time and killing ph's in hate is simply ignorant on your part.

[Maner]

Your still assuming an awful lot. For one, I'm not tracking hate or killing PH's and I never said I was or that I was responsible for or entitled to anything, just that more people than your friends are killing and tracking. And I'm not saying that there not allowed to make plat. ALL IM SAYING is that the server rules as they stand leave the door open for asshattery, such as the asshattery happening in hate currently.

Also, just a little FYI, I haven't demanded anything. And I'm not currently after anything from hate. So im not sure why your accusing me of "admitting I'm not committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity..." when that is simply not the case. But for you to think that your friends are the only ones committing time and killing ph's in hate is simply ignorant on your part.
If you aren't tracking hate or killing the place holders then how do you know how often anyone other than this small group is up there clearing place holders?

If it doesn't affect you in any way why are you so upset by their actions? Seems like clearing a PH and then waiting for it to respawn is exactly how you actually camp anything in this game, which is exactly what they are doing.

[Dreenk317]

If you aren't tracking hate or killing the place holders then how do you know how often anyone other than this small group is up there clearing place holders?

If it doesn't affect you in any way why are you so upset by their actions? Seems like clearing a PH and then waiting for it to respawn is exactly how you actually camp anything in this game, which is exactly what they are doing.

I have friends too, that's how I know. And it does affect me in some ways. My friends/guildies/the rest of the server are getting bottlenecked by these guys. If all they want is a staff of earth, fine, camp it 24/7 till your socks overflow with poop, get your item, and leave. But if all they need is a staff of earth, why are they selling/mq'ing every other drop from the zone? And actively racing to those other mobs against other groups.

Instead, they are trying to monopolize all the drops from hate, which in the end will skew our servers economy even further into the crapper, and yes, that affects me and every other player on this server. Though that's not why I care. I care because, as I said before... The current rules and there enforcement leave the door open for all sorts of asshattery....

[Maner]

I have friends too, that's how I know. And it does affect me in some ways. My friends/guildies/the rest of the server are getting bottlenecked by these guys. If all they want is a staff of earth, fine, camp it 24/7 till your socks overflow with poop, get your item, and leave. But if all they need is a staff of earth, why are they selling/mq'ing every other drop from the zone? And actively racing to those other mobs against other groups.

Instead, they are trying to monopolize all the drops from hate, which in the end will skew our servers economy even further into the crapper, and yes, that affects me and every other player on this server. Though that's not why I care. I care because, as I said before... The current rules and there enforcement leave the door open for all sorts of asshattery....

Not a single staff in 8 weeks, how are they bottle necking anyone again? A majority of what they are selling drops from trash mobs and not even the minis. You're argument is due to your friends misinforming you and you not understanding the reality of the zone. Your friends are not going to hate on a daily basis to clear placeholders, stop even trying to insinuate otherwise. But please keep thinking these guys are bottlenecking the server when the drop your "friends" are bitching about hasn't even dropped.

Unless you're saying there should also be a rotation on hate minis nothing they are doing would have even been counter to the PnP that your "friend" has been pushing in the server chat forum. Hate minis spawn every 8 hours, tell your friends to make some actual friends and go camp in hate until you get your mage staff.

[Dreenk317]

Not a single staff in 8 weeks, how are they bottle necking anyone again? A majority of what they are selling drops from trash mobs and not even the minis. You're argument is due to your friends misinforming you and you not understanding the reality of the zone. Your friends are not going to hate on a daily basis to clear placeholders, stop even trying to insinuate otherwise. But please keep thinking these guys are bottlenecking the server when the drop your "friends" are bitching about hasn't even dropped.

Unless you're saying there should also be a rotation on hate minis nothing they are doing would have even been counter to the PnP that your "friend" has been pushing in the server chat forum. Hate minis spawn every 8 hours, tell your friends to make some actual friends and go camp in hate until you get your mage staff.



What "friend" are you talking about? I know no one bitching in server chat about this (I know it's happening, but know none of them). And I'm confused how spending 8 weeks camping a drop that you fully intend to SELL and CAN NOT USE is not bottlenecking... They are literally trying to force everyone to buy there epic pieces from them... I.e. bottlenecking... Also, as I've said before, I know they aren't breaking rules, that is my issue, that the rules allow them to do this.

And as far as there loot list goes, yay, they have pieces that drop from trash mobs for sale, I guess that makes it all ok... never mind that any mages, rangers, and all the other classes that need epic drops from nameds in hate are being bottlenecked and quite literally forced to buy them.

Also, just because they haven't gotten a staff, doesn't mean that monopolizing the zone and mob isn't bottlenecking... The activity is bottlenecking regardless of if the RNG gives you the drop or not.

And your contradicting yourself. Previously you said that the hate minis aren't even guaranteed to pop every 8 hours and that these guys are working hard by logging on and keeping the ph's down. But you've just stated that "hate minis spawn every 8 hours, tell your friends to make some actual friends and go camp hate till they get there staff."

So which is it? Hard work keeping ph's down? Or easy life just logging in every eight hours to kill a named and loot it?

And another thing. For not being part of there group you sure know a helluva lot about what they are killing, when they are killing it, and exactly what they are or are not looting off of it.

Have a good night, I'm done arguing with you. It's quite pointless when you aren't even trying to back up your arguments but instead are regurgitating them anew whenever I challenge them.

Your whole argument has been based around how "hard there working" and "how much time they are investing" and that they "haven't violated the pnp". So why is it that no one else's "hard work" and "time invested" matters when it comes to this? I've heard of multiple groups/raids that put the time in to track the target, confirm it was up and mobilize to kill it, only to essentially be ks'ed by these guys as they log on when there timer goes off. Why is it only there time that matters to you? And not everyone else's?

And just in case you miss it yet again. MY ISSUE IS WITH THE SERVER RULES ALLOWING THIS SORT OF MONOPOLIZATION. Not necessarily with the fact they are doing it. But with the fact that they are being allowed to.

I mean come on, this is supposed to be a die hard, staple your balls to the floor if you do something not classic server. Yet, they nerfed ALL CLASSES aoe spells to hit only 25 targets because a very small percentage of the server population was MONOPOLIZING a zone, and or bards were causing "zone disruption". They in essence, "punished" everyone that played an aoe class because of the actions of a few. So why are they not punishing these few for the same action of zone monopolization? If they only want to provide a service and make money. Then why not work as mercenaries? "Oh, you need that drop but can't muster a force to kill it? We will get it for you, or get you there to loot it, for a fee". That makes complete sense to me, providing a service. Instead there like "oh, pretty much everyone needs something from this zone for there epic or to complete there gear, let's kill everything all the time so that no one else can get any of this stuff and force people to buy it from us". Not a service, a monopolization.

[zati]

It's times like these I wonder what would happen if they never put in a corpse summon spell or "/consent" to be able to drag a corpse.

I imagine it would force people to play a community based game like a real community and make players think twice before entering super dangerous zones that can ultimately lead to a full gear corpse rot thereby forcing less risk takers such as people camping out at X location, or suicide FTE runs. You'd actually have to make friends within the game to get anywhere... like it was intended.. play through dungeons via crawling.. but not classic so nvm

[Maner]

What "friend" are you talking about? I know no one bitching in server chat about this (I know it's happening, but know none of them). And I'm confused how spending 8 weeks camping a drop that you fully intend to SELL and CAN NOT USE is not bottlenecking... They are literally trying to force everyone to buy there epic pieces from them... I.e. bottlenecking... Also, as I've said before, I know they aren't breaking rules, that is my issue, that the rules allow them to do this.

And as far as there loot list goes, yay, they have pieces that drop from trash mobs for sale, I guess that makes it all ok... never mind that any mages, rangers, and all the other classes that need epic drops from nameds in hate are being bottlenecked and quite literally forced to buy them.

Also, just because they haven't gotten a staff, doesn't mean that monopolizing the zone and mob isn't bottlenecking... The activity is bottlenecking regardless of if the RNG gives you the drop or not.

And your contradicting yourself. Previously you said that the hate minis aren't even guaranteed to pop every 8 hours and that these guys are working hard by logging on and keeping the ph's down. But you've just stated that "hate minis spawn every 8 hours, tell your friends to make some actual friends and go camp hate till they get there staff."

So which is it? Hard work keeping ph's down? Or easy life just logging in every eight hours to kill a named and loot it?

And another thing. For not being part of there group you sure know a helluva lot about what they are killing, when they are killing it, and exactly what they are or are not looting off of it.

Have a good night, I'm done arguing with you. It's quite pointless when you aren't even trying to back up your arguments but instead are regurgitating them anew whenever I challenge them.

Your whole argument has been based around how "hard there working" and "how much time they are investing" and that they "haven't violated the pnp". So why is it that no one else's "hard work" and "time invested" matters when it comes to this? I've heard of multiple groups/raids that put the time in to track the target, confirm it was up and mobilize to kill it, only to essentially be ks'ed by these guys as they log on when there timer goes off. Why is it only there time that matters to you? And not everyone else's?

And just in case you miss it yet again. MY ISSUE IS WITH THE SERVER RULES ALLOWING THIS SORT OF MONOPOLIZATION. Not necessarily with the fact they are doing it. But with the fact that they are being allowed to.

I mean come on, this is supposed to be a die hard, staple your balls to the floor if you do something not classic server. Yet, they nerfed ALL CLASSES aoe spells to hit only 25 targets because a very small percentage of the server population was MONOPOLIZING a zone, and or bards were causing "zone disruption". They in essence, "punished" everyone that played an aoe class because of the actions of a few. So why are they not punishing these few for the same action of zone monopolization? If they only want to provide a service and make money. Then why not work as mercenaries? "Oh, you need that drop but can't muster a force to kill it? We will get it for you, or get you there to loot it, for a fee". That makes complete sense to me, providing a service. Instead there like "oh, pretty much everyone needs something from this zone for there epic or to complete there gear, let's kill everything all the time so that no one else can get any of this stuff and force people to buy it from us". Not a service, a monopolization.

just because others don't have either the ability or the commitment to compete with them doesn't mean they are monopolizing anything. They are the ones clearing PHs they are the ones up there almost every 8 hours not the people bitching like fires of heaven or clue. They only log in a tracker to see if there is something up every now and then, maybe not even every day. Then complain when it takes them over an hour to get people to WC, port up, and break in, while this group of people is already logged out IN HATE, logs in to check on the PHs and sees the named are up and starts pulling them. That isn't monopolizing the zone, that is being faster than other people who are after the same thing. The plat they get from selling the MQ can go to buy other items that are direct upgrades for people. Why does someone who is going to use something automatically deserve priority when someone else can also use an item, just in a different way?

They are in no way preventing anyone else from learning the pulls or camping out in hate to directly compete with them. They are just faster and apparently better.

I am talking about whoever you referred to when you said "i have friends". Perhaps you should ask your friends to tell you the truth about what happens in hate.

[Uuruk]

How is this not in RnF?

Back in my day we ate 2 month bans for this kind of shit.

[Lobus]

The plat they get from selling the MQ can go to buy other items that are direct upgrades for people.

LOL.... if you believe this then I have a bridge here in New York City to sell you...

It takes about 2.4 seconds of google search to find people RMT'ing these same items and hundreds of thousands of plat...

So either you refuse to acknowledge that RMT is actively happening on this server or that the supply of such quantities of rare items, twinked characters, and plat are coming from some other limitless source of resources... Trust me, people camping sea furies aren't earning enough per hour to make it worth while, but 20 minutes every 8 hours sounds highly profitable.

And to the point about them spending the 400kpp on twinking out new charaters, yeah I'm sure selling a char is safer than selling plat or items so I hope you enjoy the few hundred bucks it'll get you.

I feel bad for the admins and owners who have to deal with this kind of human garbage ruining their project and opening up the only real danger to daybreak shutting this whole thing down. Hope the Quaaludes, Doritos, and Red Bull give you an aneurysm and your body is eaten by the rats living with you in your trailer park

[Mythanor]

Oh wow... I always thought this RMT thing wasn't real because I never saw anyone actually trying to sell anything anywhere but that "red" site mentioned recently has really made me really sad.

Guess it just reinforces my perception that my 50+ char just isn't fun to play on and roll on a bunch of untwinked alts instead... Game is much more fun in the lower levels with people enjoying the journey. I'm happy to continue my enjoyment of this nostalgic adventure through those sessions instead of trying to fight my way through this grime.

I would recommend to the people complaining about it to do the same, the people ruining your experience aren't going to change and the Dev's (who don't get paid) shouldn't have to deal with it. Frankly I don't even know why the Dev's even continue, all they get is shat on by everyone and don't even get to enjoy the thing they built.

Didn't realize that people were actually farming stuff for plat and others are actually buying things with real money... That's seriously the real travesty here, Jesus, there are legitimately thousands of better places to donate money to then buy stuff for a 16 year old game... what's the point? I really don't get it....

[Ikon]

just because others don't have either the ability or the commitment to compete with them doesn't mean they are monopolizing anything. They are the ones clearing PHs they are the ones up there almost every 8 hours not the people bitching like fires of heaven or clue. They only log in a tracker to see if there is something up every now and then, maybe not even every day. Then complain when it takes them over an hour to get people to WC, port up, and break in, while this group of people is already logged out IN HATE, logs in to check on the PHs and sees the named are up and starts pulling them. That isn't monopolizing the zone, that is being faster than other people who are after the same thing. The plat they get from selling the MQ can go to buy other items that are direct upgrades for people. Why does someone who is going to use something automatically deserve priority when someone else can also use an item, just in a different way?

They are in no way preventing anyone else from learning the pulls or camping out in hate to directly compete with them. They are just faster and apparently better.

I am talking about whoever you referred to when you said "i have friends". Perhaps you should ask your friends to tell you the truth about what happens in hate.
The more these threads pop up and the more complaints there are the more likely the devs will implement a solution so these poor guys will be able to be free of the commitment and effort they're putting in. They must be extremely exhausted.

[Whirled]

Judging by the comments on this thread I am significantly less excited to try my hand at raiding on this server.

For real

yeah camping for epics is just as bad as camping to sell for MQ

you know, if you read your post you just might realize you're proving my point

the same goes for that reponse time. try not to bite your fingernails off while you obsessively refresh the page

How is this not in RnF?

Back in my day we ate 2 month bans for this kind of shit.

8125

The more these threads pop up and the more complaints there are the more likely the devs will implement a solution so these poor guys will be able to be free of the commitment and effort they're putting in. They must be extremely exhausted.

#PullPlug2017

[Ikon]

#PullPlug2017
Hopefully. Would be funny as all feck. Hopefully if they're tired of running this server they'll sell the rights to their code to someone who'll use it to make a truly classic server - I'd pay for that. I'd pay for this if it was for sale sans the farmers.

[Bubbles]

The problem here is Maner is basically setting up camp at the RnF Fountain next to the 2nd story ramp....

He's blocking the people defending AM from coming to their defense. He's gone to great pains to explain he has no dog in the fight and yet is somehow vigorously typing away in defense of those selling. If this was sane behavior, we would expect someone else to be joining into the chorus.

Except no one else truly is. If the Strike Force Team Zero is gonna do it best and fastest every 8 hours, more power to 'em. No one's saying they arent the most dedicated and doing it with a skeleton crew, they are.

It's when they park between two raids going on, directly in pull lanes and on top of the ramp to the 2nd story and then start screaming about FRAPS and how everyone else is ruining *their* raid and immersion.. Thats why 0 respect has been shown in this thread and everyone is taking turns $#!++ing in it. /shrug.

[korilla]

just because earth staff is more easily accessible now doesn't mean you deserve the right to get it. either put in the work and contest or stop whining. I hate to say it, but if you want hand-outs, go play WoW. sure...what they're doing is inconvenient to everyone, but with velious out more people are finding creative ways to make plat.

[Ikon]

just because earth staff is more easily accessible now doesn't mean you deserve the right to get it. either put in the work and contest or stop whining. I hate to say it, but if you want hand-outs, go play WoW. sure...what they're doing is inconvenient to everyone, but with velious out more people are finding creative ways to make plat.
Actually everyone has a equal right to get their items imo.

The "handout" here is the developer and GM's creating a non-classic "free to screw anyone over if you play excessively" PnP that only results in the long term unemployed being able to cockblock everyone else. Can't even be called a Play Nice Policy - its comes across as a "We don't give a feck anymore policy.

Granted its been a long time working on this project and the way people have behaved for all the effort and hard work is disgusting. I wouldn't give a feck either.

Edit: Probably a pity they couldn't enforce a monthly donation, might have prevented those people from signing up in the first place.

[Faulken]

Spending half your life on a 17 year old content locked EQ server to get better pixels than everyone else isn't impressive BTW

Also if you consider anything about this game to be competitive you're an idiot

[FreshPrinceOfP99]

Still waiting for my staff...

[spanky_kc]

you and me both.

[Andos]

Server would be a whole lot better if they just banhammered that entire guild. Have yet to have any kind of even neutral experience with any of them, from getting purposely trained through the lava tunnel in SolB to having to hear about them charming an already engaged Stormfeather, to their general in game behavior, they have come off as a group of douchey 13 year olds in every single instance. And I haven't even encountered them in an end-game raid encounter. I can only imagine what an absolute cry-baby joke that would be.

[Uuruk]

Server would be a whole lot better if they just banhammered that entire guild. Have yet to have any kind of even neutral experience with any of them, from getting purposely trained through the lava tunnel in SolB to having to hear about them charming an already engaged Stormfeather, to their general in game behavior, they have come off as a group of douchey 13 year olds in every single instance. And I haven't even encountered them in an end-game raid encounter. I can only imagine what an absolute cry-baby joke that would be.

Just remember they are likely making like $7 an hour playing a 17 year old elf simulator. This is all they have.

[Andos]

Just remember they are likely making like $7 an hour playing a 17 year old elf simulator. This is all they have.

Perhaps they could use some of that fat cash to buy a cup and some bleach.

[Fragged]

Server would be a whole lot better if they just banhammered that entire guild. Have yet to have any kind of even neutral experience with any of them, from getting purposely trained through the lava tunnel in SolB to having to hear about them charming an already engaged Stormfeather, to their general in game behavior, they have come off as a group of douchey 13 year olds in every single instance. And I haven't even encountered them in an end-game raid encounter. I can only imagine what an absolute cry-baby joke that would be.

Heya Anodos please contact an AM officer if something like that happens.

We try to weave out the bad seeds, but we need to know about it before we can do anything.

-Aikons

[spanky_kc]

Just remember they are likely making like $7 an hour playing a 17 year old elf simulator. This is all they have.

Someone who doesn't play and trolls the forums. Gotta love the remains of the petri dish.

On another note. Selling Shattered Emeralds of Corruption MQ's for 45k.

[Uuruk]

Someone who doesn't play and trolls the forums. Gotta love the remains of the petri dish.

On another note. Selling Shattered Emeralds of Corruption MQ's for 45k.

Sorry ur dumb

[Metalopolis]

No it really doesn't, gear doesn't matter when you're just slowing and having a charmed mob tank and dps for you. Your monk should just be focusing on pulling the phs. In all honesty hate is probably easier with 3-5 people. You don't have an extra 20 people walking around aground stuff on the 2nd floor, or people below 50 with larger agro ranges.

Really dude? You're really gonna say "gear doesn't matter," ESPECIALLY for a pulling monk/charming Chanter?

C'mon now

[Kepp]

Lolberts are easy to spot in these discussions.

[korilla]

The latest patch contains new required files. Download and extract the Project 1999 Files (V44) (http://www.project1999.com/files/P99Files44.zip) to your EQ Titanium Directory.

August 2001
Nilbog: Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth has a slightly higher chance of dropping


time to lower your price!!!!